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2012-08-14 11:57:23 PM  
All soap is antibacterial.
 
2012-08-15 12:02:36 AM  

unlikely: All soap is antibacterial.


"Regular" soap kills like 90-95% of bacteria.

"Antibacterial" soap kills 99% of bacteria.
 
2012-08-15 12:21:23 AM  
Great

/when?
 
2012-08-15 12:48:26 AM  
Good thing I never use the stuff, then.
 
2012-08-15 01:21:38 AM  
Nice headline but no way am I giving those bastards a click.
 
2012-08-15 01:29:00 AM  
So... I feast on the goo inside my head now?
 
2012-08-15 01:31:07 AM  
I'm not sure why I quit smoking when my eggs and soap are just going to kill me anyway.
 
2012-08-15 01:31:33 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Nice headline but no way am I giving those bastards a click.


It's worth the click to get to the source article. Link
I don't have access but if anyone does, I'd like to read it.
 
2012-08-15 01:32:14 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: unlikely: All soap is antibacterial.

"Regular" soap kills like 90-95% of bacteria.

"Antibacterial" soap kills 99% of bacteria.


Meh. germ killing power of antibacterial soap is greatly overstated, and depends largely on a very specific process to test it that's engineered to get better results without reflection the way hands are actually made dirty and then cleaned.
 
2012-08-15 01:35:25 AM  
Better living through Chemicals!
 
2012-08-15 01:36:41 AM  
Hah!

/Uses probacterial soap
 
2012-08-15 01:37:54 AM  
But did the FDA not ..... ermmm OH, yeah rite, of coarse, sorry! My Bad.
 
2012-08-15 01:43:17 AM  

fragMasterFlash: Nice headline but no way am I giving those bastards a click.


*internet bro fist*
 
2012-08-15 01:43:33 AM  

furiousxgeorge: I'm not sure why I quit smoking when my eggs and soap are just going to kill me anyway.


You lay eggs?
 
2012-08-15 01:43:42 AM  
I'll just leave this here.

Link

Pay attention to the DIOXIN part.

TFA may have some validity. As for the ForDollarsAssholiation, why bother.
 
2012-08-15 01:45:50 AM  
Does this mean I should wash my hands only with alcohol?
Cause I have a lot of that around the house.
 
2012-08-15 01:46:44 AM  

Ackbar_GastricFluid: So... I feast on the goo inside my head now?


www.mojoimage.com

Yes, yes you should.
 
2012-08-15 01:47:02 AM  
This is disapponting news, I guess this means I'll have to go back to drinking rubbing alcohol.
 
2012-08-15 01:58:30 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: unlikely: All soap is antibacterial.

"Regular" soap kills like 90-95% of bacteria.

"Antibacterial" soap kills 99% of bacteria.


Technically, Triclosan doesn't kill that other 4% of bacteria unless you've got quite a high concentration going on, it chemically inhibits its reproduction by cutting off fatty acid synthesis. Which is of somewhat dubious value once said bacteria is no longer in an area saturated with the material.

While it will outright attack cell membranes at high (~2%) concentrations, given that it's generally used in a soap it should be noted that soap of any kind already does that by virtue of its basic divided hydrophobic/hydrophilic chemical structure.

//I guess some of this may be out of date, I don't read a lot of drug papers these days.
 
2012-08-15 01:58:43 AM  
disappointing too
 
2012-08-15 02:00:52 AM  
And next week they'll find out it increases brain function and longevity.

Chemicals all around us are killing us and helping us.... and we have no idea about it one way or another. All in moderation and we'll be fine. Of course, the big problem is there isn't any moderation at all.
 
2012-08-15 02:07:58 AM  
It said it slows down the swimming of your fish?
 
2012-08-15 02:08:32 AM  

Supes: And next week they'll find out it increases brain function and longevity.

Chemicals all around us are killing us and helping us.... and we have no idea about it one way or another. All in moderation and we'll be fine. Of course, the big problem is there isn't any moderation at all.


I'm pretty sure moderate exposure to things like dioxins, furans and radon aren't helping anyone. Not everything is good for you in moderation.
 
2012-08-15 02:10:59 AM  
Aren't you glad you use Dial? Don't you wish everybody did?
 
2012-08-15 02:12:02 AM  

ivelostfaithinhumanity: Does this mean I should wash my hands only with alcohol?
Cause I have a lot of that around the house.


That could get expensive.
 
2012-08-15 02:13:39 AM  
DjangoStonereaver: "Regular" soap kills like 90-95% of bacteria.

I thought regular soap washed bacteria away more than it killed it.



// bleach/etc == nuclear option.
 
2012-08-15 02:15:03 AM  

Jim_Callahan: DjangoStonereaver: unlikely: All soap is antibacterial.

"Regular" soap kills like 90-95% of bacteria.

"Antibacterial" soap kills 99% of bacteria.

Technically, Triclosan doesn't kill that other 4% of bacteria unless you've got quite a high concentration going on, it chemically inhibits its reproduction by cutting off fatty acid synthesis. Which is of somewhat dubious value once said bacteria is no longer in an area saturated with the material.

While it will outright attack cell membranes at high (~2%) concentrations, given that it's generally used in a soap it should be noted that soap of any kind already does that by virtue of its basic divided hydrophobic/hydrophilic chemical structure.

//I guess some of this may be out of date, I don't read a lot of drug papers these days.


It's notable that there's very little evidence showing any practical value in real-world scenarios, and the % numbers are bogus. I'm sure it would affect different species of bacteria differently too. I doubt it has any effective on viruses either, and I suspect 95% of people's motivation for its use is to avoid transmission of cold, flu, Norwalk, etc- all viruses, which it never even claimed to be of use for.

Basically following the mold of Brawndo- it's got ELECTROLYTES!! You've seen it enough that not only do you not question its value, you wouldn't think to ask what it IS- its very nature. You'd assume.
 
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2012-08-15 02:17:47 AM  
I actually avoid products with triclosan in them because I discovered years ago that I'm allergic to it. I was getting insanely itchy skin from using soap with triclosan. Looks like I may have done myself a bigger favor than I realized.
 
2012-08-15 02:17:57 AM  
So glad I do not wash my hands...or other parts.. going to outlive you all...ahahaahahhaa
 
2012-08-15 02:27:11 AM  

DysphoricMania: So glad I do not wash my hands...or other parts.. going to outlive you all...ahahaahahhaa


Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them. No hand sanitizer either. I've only been sick a handful of time in my life (early grade school) but aside from that my immune system has kicked ass when it comes to being around sick people or just living in general. So I think the need to constantly wash and nuke your hands is a scam.

/There was a short period in my life where I went all OCD on cleanliness in general.
//4th grade when those public health bastards informed us of germs living on everything and inside everything
///freaked me the fark out, but now I've embraced them
 
2012-08-15 02:32:18 AM  

unlikely: All soap is antibacterial.


"antibacterial" is a product label with specific criteria required by the FDA to kill or inhibit bacteria. That's generally the sense in which people use the word in the context of commercial products. Rather than just removing lipids (and thus bacteria) from the skin.
 
2012-08-15 02:40:06 AM  
Wasn't this an episode of House?
 
2012-08-15 02:45:08 AM  

Tenatra: DysphoricMania: . I've only been sick a handful of time in my life (early grade school) but aside from that my immune system has kicked ass when it comes to being around sick people or just living in general. So I think the need to constantly wash and nuke your hands is a scam.


I thought like that until I (and my sister) along with our respective spouses visited our grandmother in a nursing home after she was in a car accident. She and I both used the bathroom, so we washed our hands. The next morning, spouses were incredibly ill with stomach flu. Sister and I were not.

So, I'm still with you on scoffing at 'constant' and 'antibacterial' obsessions, but if you're in a hospital/nursing home/etc, WASH YOUR FARKING HANDS.
 
2012-08-15 02:46:19 AM  

Tenatra: DysphoricMania: So glad I do not wash my hands...or other parts.. going to outlive you all...ahahaahahhaa

Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them. No hand sanitizer either. I've only been sick a handful of time in my life (early grade school) but aside from that my immune system has kicked ass when it comes to being around sick people or just living in general. So I think the need to constantly wash and nuke your hands is a scam.


With you. I rinse my hands a lot (when they get sticky), but I usually only use soap (outside of the shower) after handling raw meat and such.
 
2012-08-15 03:01:08 AM  

ivelostfaithinhumanity: Does this mean I should wash my hands only with alcohol?
Cause I have a lot of that around the house.


No, because alcohol defats your skin and leads to microscopic breaks in the skin, allowing more bacteria in.

Alcohol hand sanitizer use is folly.
 
2012-08-15 03:20:13 AM  

Goimir: No, because alcohol defats your skin and leads to microscopic breaks in the skin, allowing more bacteria in.


Do you have a citation for that (non-religious, non-newage blog)? The idea that alcohol drys the skin is a myth, and according to NIH and several other organizations, the use of alcohol based sanitizers is actually less damaging to skin than washing using soap.

According to the CDC, the American Academy of Dermatology, and National Institute for Occupational Safety & Health, the use of alcohol hand sanitizer is actually a better alternative - "Hand sanitizers can't replace hand washing in every situation, but a study published in the "Infection Control and Hospital Epidemiology Journal" found that irritation and dryness increased significantly when nurses washed their hands with a soap product, while "an alcoholic-hand-gel regimen was well tolerated and did not result in skin irritation and dryness."
 
2012-08-15 03:23:33 AM  
Hmmm, lets go read the labels on my body wash, shave gel and anything else in my bathroom...

Well, the Nivea bodywash has silver citrate. I never noticed that before. I bet that's the anti-bacteral deodorant in that product. It's also why the Adidas brand bottle I got (with a coupon) for the gym isn't worth a damn.

My Nivea shave gel turns out to be both made in Germany and almost food grade. Get the sodium laurel sulfate out and it's dressing. (and the isobutane propellant)

I don't have any hand soap, just a bottle of Dawn that doesn't claim to be anti-bacterial. They don't put ingredient label on dish soap, which you'll probably immerse your hands in, like they do with hand soap. Weird.

And the underarm deodorant is just five ingredients. That bottle of Lysol spray turned out to just be 3.2% lactic acid when I actually read the label. I should be able to do better than that in a non-bleach spray.

Okay, I have no triclosan in my apartment. It's not the source of any of my problems. But I bet there are hypochondriacs out there throwing away all their soap and going back to nature, letting natural biota recolonize their skin.
 
2012-08-15 03:24:39 AM  

fusillade762: With you. I rinse my hands a lot (when they get sticky), but I usually only use soap (outside of the shower) after handling raw meat and such.


Yep, that's more to the point and what I wanted to say but couldn't find the words, guess it's time for more coffee. :p

ladyfortuna: So, I'm still with you on scoffing at 'constant' and 'antibacterial' obsessions, but if you're in a hospital/nursing home/etc, WASH YOUR FARKING HANDS.


There are instances where I try to minimize my exposure to the unknown especially when it is near direct contact. I refuse to share food/drinks with other people so I'm somewhat creeped out when I go out to eat. The last few restaurants I've gone to I ordered coffee and the first cup given to me still has crap on it from where the dish washing machine didn't do a good enough job. Then it was farking overlooked by both the person operating the dishwasher and my waitress. (I'm hoping the cook will at least refuse to put food on a dirty plate) Similar goes for my first and only day as a bar back, the bartender got on to me for washing the glasses thoroughly and to quote him, "This isn't your momma's kitchen. Dunk them in the water and rinse them off."
 
2012-08-15 03:58:32 AM  
... so, I should stop drinking it, then?

Ha! You'd like that, wouldn't you, Mister Man? You'll take my skin-so-soft from my cold dead blaaaaaarghaarghburble*burp*!
 
2012-08-15 04:59:02 AM  

Tenatra: Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them.


Remind me to never shake your hand after you go to the bathroom.
 
2012-08-15 05:59:13 AM  
Dr. Isaac Pessah, professor and chair of the Department of Molecular Biosciences

I hear he's wicked.
 
2012-08-15 06:08:03 AM  

Guuberre: Dr. Isaac Pessah, professor and chair of the Department of Molecular Biosciences

I hear he's wicked.


At the Dept. of Mol.Bio.Sci., they teach them not to Pessah on their hands.
 
2012-08-15 06:27:58 AM  

ladyfortuna: Tenatra: DysphoricMania: . I've only been sick a handful of time in my life (early grade school) but aside from that my immune system has kicked ass when it comes to being around sick people or just living in general. So I think the need to constantly wash and nuke your hands is a scam.

I thought like that until I (and my sister) along with our respective spouses visited our grandmother in a nursing home after she was in a car accident. She and I both used the bathroom, so we washed our hands. The next morning, spouses were incredibly ill with stomach flu. Sister and I were not.

So, I'm still with you on scoffing at 'constant' and 'antibacterial' obsessions, but if you're in a hospital/nursing home/etc, WASH YOUR FARKING HANDS.


my mom blacked out while driving, wound up being in a senior citizen medical assist center for some 3 months to recoup from seizures. while she was in the facility (gorgeous, wonderful place, i thought it was $9K/mo, near shiat when i found it was $39k/month) she wound up with a nasty infection and was quarantined alone for weeks. they discharged her with the infection still present. mom then had to spend a few weeks on a med that cost $5k for a week supply. ladyfortuna is absolutely right: when visiting in hospital/nursing home, dose yourself with that antibacterial hand soap. those places are simply hotbeds of germs that can fark you up bad.
 
2012-08-15 07:38:17 AM  
All the soap in the house is antibacterial. I secretly skip making the kids wash their hands all the goddamn time. I want them exposed to a little germs. Yes, wife is typical germ nut, can't fix it.
 
2012-08-15 07:44:45 AM  

Poison Appleseeds: Tenatra: Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them.

Remind me to never shake your hand after you go to the bathroom.


"If an alien came from space and studied the bacterial counts, he probably would conclude he should wash his hands in your toilet and crap in your sink." - Dr. Charles Gerba

There are worse places than the bathroom itself.

I've always wondered why hand washing after bathroom use was so important. People will go down on each other all the time and for some reason germs don't seem to cross their minds. Aside from that thought, hot air hand dryers will increase the bacteria count on your hands. Not to mention just going in to a bathroom would mean inhaling airborne particles that were left suspended from the last toilet flush (around 2 hours from the last flush if the lid is up) if you breathe in there at all. Proper hand washing technique would mean that while you are washing your hands you'd be showered with airborne particles from the toilet flush and inhaling them also (if you breathe). Notice that I said proper hand washing technique and not just washing your hands in general. Chances are you don't live/work in a place where everyone abides by this standard which means you are already being subjected to a decent amount of the germs with the people/things you come in contact with. If the toothbrushes are kept in the bathroom in an open space then they are being covered with fecal matter and other germs too. Kitchen sinks have a larger populace for these same germs, so if you don't want to shake someone's hand after they used the bathroom then you may want to avoid everyone at all costs if they have touched a sink and didn't wash their hands. ;)
 
2012-08-15 09:47:55 AM  

Tenatra: Poison Appleseeds: Tenatra: Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them.

Remind me to never shake your hand after you go to the bathroom.

"If an alien came from space and studied the bacterial counts, he probably would conclude he should wash his hands in your toilet and crap in your sink." - Dr. Charles Gerba

There are worse places than the bathroom itself.

I've always wondered why hand washing after bathroom use was so important. People will go down on each other all the time and for some reason germs don't seem to cross their minds. Aside from that thought, hot air hand dryers will increase the bacteria count on your hands. Not to mention just going in to a bathroom would mean inhaling airborne particles that were left suspended from the last toilet flush (around 2 hours from the last flush if the lid is up) if you breathe in there at all. Proper hand washing technique would mean that while you are washing your hands you'd be showered with airborne particles from the toilet flush and inhaling them also (if you breathe). Notice that I said proper hand washing technique and not just washing your hands in general. Chances are you don't live/work in a place where everyone abides by this standard which means you are already being subjected to a decent amount of the germs with the people/things you come in contact with. If the toothbrushes are kept in the bathroom in an open space then they are being covered with fecal matter and other germs too. Kitchen sinks have a larger populace for these same germs, so if you don't want to shake someone's hand after they used the bathroom then you may want to avoid everyone at all costs if they have touched a sink and didn't wash their hands. ;)


So you're telling me after you take a shiat and wipe your ass you don't wash your hands?
 
2012-08-15 10:29:49 AM  
I guess I better stop using it as anal lube.
 
2012-08-15 11:36:45 AM  
Ralphie knows all about this: Link
 
2012-08-15 12:49:10 PM  
Tenatra: Aside from taking a shower or doing dishes I never wash my hands unless I get something sticky like syrup or sugar on them.

Poison Appleseeds: Remind me to never shake your hand after you go to the bathroom.

He gets something sticky on his hands every time he goes to the bathroom.
 
2012-08-15 02:30:42 PM  

Poison Appleseeds: So you're telling me after you take a shiat and wipe your ass you don't wash your hands?


Can't be any worse than when my dad had an extended stay in the Middle east. He was in for a shock when he used the bathroom and found that it consisted of a hole in the ground, your bare hand to wipe your ass and a hose to rinse it off. You wouldn't be afraid to shake my hand unknowingly (unless you are afraid of physical contact with others), I maintain a well groomed and professional appearance and like I said before I'd be leaving the house with these same germs and picking up others all day long either way. Why would I destroy them abruptly when the body can handle them by itself?
 
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