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(Brisbane Times)   Male flying alone and seated next to a minor? Why don't you have a seat right over there instead   (brisbanetimes.com.au) divider line 183
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2012-08-15 12:44:43 AM  
i'd probably ask to be moved to another seat myself.
 
2012-08-15 12:53:58 AM  

SpikeStrip: i'd probably ask to be moved to another seat myself.


Seriously

/get that damned kid away from me
//and bring me another drink
 
2012-08-15 01:43:57 AM  
Let's just avoid this whole situation by shipping children in crates or cages.

distilleryimage8.s3.amazonaws.com
 
2012-08-15 02:31:29 AM  
www.conservationmagazine.org
 
2012-08-15 02:32:33 AM  
i.ebayimg.com
 
2012-08-15 02:32:50 AM  
Qantas has defended its policy, saying it is consistent with that of other airlines around the world and reflects parents' concerns.

If the parents are so concerned why don't they just ACCOMPANY THEIR F*CKING CHILDREN???
 
2012-08-15 02:32:59 AM  
Kiddie fiddler is the least offensive term I've ever heard for a pedo
 
2012-08-15 02:33:25 AM  
Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?
 
2012-08-15 02:35:20 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com

Link

Superman on a aeroplane
Sitting next to Lois Lane
You gotta that woman but you want her gone
So you can fark a teenage blonde
 
2012-08-15 02:35:41 AM  
Safer to have them sit next to a male nurse than a female teacher.
 
2012-08-15 02:36:42 AM  

JesseL: Safer to have them sit next to a male nurse than a female teacher.


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2012-08-15 02:38:01 AM  
As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him
 
2012-08-15 02:39:34 AM  

austin_millbarge: As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him


Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.
 
2012-08-15 02:39:44 AM  
I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB
 
2012-08-15 02:39:58 AM  
REPEA... oh wait, it's not. It's actually the exact same thing with different people.
 
2012-08-15 02:41:56 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?


When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...
 
2012-08-15 02:43:13 AM  
You want to upgrade me to a better section (if possible)? Fine. Otherwise, F off. Move the kid.
 
xcv
2012-08-15 02:43:27 AM  
"Male flying alone and seated next to a minor?"

So any woman flying with her husband or boyfriend should be financially compensated by Qantas for keeping the potential child-molester under control for the duration of the flight.
 
2012-08-15 02:44:54 AM  
It is sad when I can no longer tell a serious news story from a Onion article without looking at the URL.



/as the great one once said "I Don't Want to Live on this Planet Anymore"
 
2012-08-15 02:46:30 AM  

darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB



Totally awesome....until he stole your wallet.
 
2012-08-15 02:48:24 AM  
Solution:

Link
 
2012-08-15 02:48:42 AM  

darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practicing card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB


Grifter in training.
 
2012-08-15 02:48:48 AM  
Fark that. Make the kid move.

/good riddance, too
 
2012-08-15 02:49:01 AM  

ladyfortuna: Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?

When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...


Well, 15 is a lot different than 15. The people that booked the airline should have been more aware of the age thing, not that there aren't female pedophiles. Glad nothing bad happened to you.

It's a sad world we live in. ~sigh~
 
2012-08-15 02:49:52 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: ladyfortuna: Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?

When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...

Well, 15 10 is a lot different than 15. The people that booked the airline should have been more aware of the age thing, not that there aren't female pedophiles. Glad nothing bad happened to you.

It's a sad world we live in. ~sigh~


FTFM
 
2012-08-15 02:55:02 AM  
In defense of the airline, they should take all steps to ensure that a child isn't seated next to a Penn State alum, but maybe they're going overboard.
 
2012-08-15 02:55:34 AM  
While these half-wits are stressing out over some stranger on a plane, good old Uncle Charlie has been ass-f**king that kid for years.
 
2012-08-15 02:55:46 AM  

darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB


(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)
 
2012-08-15 02:56:00 AM  
Yet another loss for us in the "War Against Men".

/Am I doing it right?
 
2012-08-15 02:56:34 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: austin_millbarge: As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him

Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.


Yes it does.
 
2012-08-15 02:56:43 AM  
I'm getting sick of this social stigma that seems to be infecting the country simply because I have a penis.

/was she hot?
 
2012-08-15 02:56:55 AM  
I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.
 
2012-08-15 02:57:29 AM  
I like this last bit about a British Airways customer who sued for the same reason:

BA denied its policy was discriminatory but admitted to sex discrimination in Mr Fisher's case and agreed to pay him £2161 in costs and £750 in damages.

I didn't think that people could sue for so small an amount of money.
 
2012-08-15 02:59:10 AM  
You know, after "To Catch a Predator", I might be glad the child was moved too.
 
2012-08-15 02:59:13 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: SpikeStrip: i'd probably ask to be moved to another seat myself.

Seriously

/get that damned kid away from me


A while back, here on Fark, I remember somebody gave the BEST.ADVICE.EVAR for dealing with the situation of kids running up and down the aisles of the airplane: tell the flight attendant, very discretely, that every time that kid runs past you, it is technically a violation of your parole.

GENIUS!
 
2012-08-15 02:59:33 AM  
I wouldn't mind this - if it weren't a retarded law.

The majority of child molesters are family friends.
The majority of child molesters are female.

It's like racial profiling. I'm *okay* with it, but good god, if you are going to do it - do it factually.
 
2012-08-15 02:59:49 AM  

SpikeStrip: i'd probably ask to be moved to another seat myself.


This!

Preferably next to a single hot blonde over the age of 21 looingfor someone to show her around.
 
2012-08-15 03:03:18 AM  
Gotta love the mindset that only males are pedophiles and females could never become a pedophile.

12 years ago I flew from Dallas to Denmark. Before we left a member of the flight crew asked me to change seats. I asked "Why?" because I was curious. He said "If you do, I'll get you something for your troubles." I said "Okay." I was flying alone so what did it matter? He handed me a bottle of champagine. That was awesome.

If I'm ever seated next to an unaccompanied minor, it's going to take a bit to get me to change seats. Not because I'm a pedo. But because if I change seats, I risk the public embarassment that this guy went through, and if I do sit next to an unaccompanied minor for the entire freakin flight and don't cause shiat, then I could be the example pointed to as "All males aren't horny pedos looking for unaccompanied minors on airlines to molest as soon as the lights go low."
 
2012-08-15 03:04:06 AM  

tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.


You can still be labelled a rapist, posthumously. So you might as well get all the raping in while you can, since it's assumed you raped your way to the grave.

/rape rape
 
2012-08-15 03:10:28 AM  
Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway? I'd be thanking the flight attendant for getting me out of there. I flippin' hate kids.
 
2012-08-15 03:14:41 AM  

JesseL: Safer to have them sit next to a male nurse than a female teacher.


You jest, but it does demonstrate the stupidity of this "OMG a man!" thing. We have plenty of evidence that women have sex with minors too just in the news (never mind if you actually dig up court cases). However for some reason there's still this idea that men are all dangerous with children and women are perfectly safe.

People need to just STFU, chill out, and look up some damn statistics. Are there people out there that molest random children? Yes, but not many. Most sexual abuse takes place by someone the kid knows, family most often, but also friends of the family, teachers, etc. Very rare is it some random dude.

And on a plane? Are you farking kidding me? The most public of all public venues?

This stuff is just reaching retarded levels.
 
2012-08-15 03:16:55 AM  

Mr. Potatoass: [www.conservationmagazine.org image 314x310]


i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 03:16:59 AM  
George Carlin, Fark the Children:

Link
 
2012-08-15 03:19:40 AM  
I get that he is an angry nurse (they're all angry and for good reason; I have nothing but respect for nurses) and would not hurt a child, but to expect that the whole policy be scrapped is being a whiny c*nt about a tactless flight attendant.

Parents feel safer taking their chances having their kids sit next to stange women than strange men. Period. I ride the bus and T every day and see it all the time. Even with teachers banging their way thru middle schools, being a damn nurse he should still know that FACT; it's definitely mentioned in psych class. Though not all parents are as fortunate to have a male nurse to be sitting next to their kid if god forbid something happen. But come on guy, how are they supposed to know that?

That flight attendant SHOULD have thanked him, too. As well as apologize to all three of them for moving the both of them and probably embarrassing the little girl in the process. If this is standard policy, then it should be part of the damn safety speech. "And to close, as per policy, if you are a single male sitting next to an unaccompanied minor, please switch with the nearest female willing to move seats." A simple sentence, and many a PR situations and possible lawsuits avoided. YOUR WELCOME.

Hopefully all the passengers of that flight can read this article so he can be vindicated of his shame !
 
2012-08-15 03:21:09 AM  
Lesson for the flight attendants: A little forethought, tact, and free booze goes a long way. Its called people skills.

CSB time

Once I (late 20s male in a three piece business suit) was seated at the window next two girls. They looked to be 13-16 and on some sort of sports team. There were about 20 of these girls all wearing identical sweat suits.

Before the take-off, the stewardess asked me to change seats so the girls could sit next to their friend. I dont know if it was because of a similar policy on Alaska Airlines. I didnt give 2 shiats or a fark since I got 3 free beers on top of not having to sit next to annoying teens.

End CSB
 
2012-08-15 03:24:22 AM  
I kind of agreed the airline was stupid until I read "reverse discrimination."

So fark him. There's no proper discrimination.
 
2012-08-15 03:25:37 AM  
Move the child, not the man (or men) seated next to the child.
 
2012-08-15 03:26:24 AM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The majority of child molesters are female.


Gonna have to ask for a citation on that one.
 
2012-08-15 03:26:26 AM  

DarklyDreamingLiberation: Parents feel safer taking their chances having their kids sit next to stange women than strange men. Period


What if parents feel safer if their children aren't seated next to a black person? Is that okay too?
 
2012-08-15 03:27:58 AM  
I was seated next to a young boy on a Qatar Airways flight some months ago. I'm a middle-aged man, and I was traveling alone. The boy was accompanied, but his whole family couldn't fit in the row behind me, so he sat up front with me. He flopped and frisked around and stood on his chair a bit, but I ignored him and played a game on my laptop with noise-blocking headphones on. Midway through the flight comes a tap on my shoulder and a stewardess inviting me to change seats. She wanted me to move to the seat aft of the emergency exit, so I leapt at the opportunity. I had a fleeting suspicion that Mom and Dad were worried about me playing with his dick or something, but the extra legroom more than compensated for it.

/Not sure if CSB
 
2012-08-15 03:28:11 AM  

lelio: Mr. Potatoass: [www.conservationmagazine.org image 314x310]

[i.imgur.com image 314x310]


LOL
 
2012-08-15 03:29:36 AM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 03:33:26 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: austin_millbarge: As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him

Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.


What does that have to do with "being a man"?

It's a strict cost analysis... does this brat I don't even know mean more to me than my life? And I don't just mean dying, because that would be easy, I mean being presumed guilty, tossed in jail, and treated like subhuman scum for the rest of my natural life just because men have become the reliable old bogeyman used by the media to scare people for ratings?

The answer is no, someone else's kid isn't worth losing everything over. And if you think otherwise, you're not a "man", you're an idiot.
 
2012-08-15 03:34:11 AM  

Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)


It was a blank piece of paper, you guys only imagined the marking on it.
 
2012-08-15 03:37:10 AM  

Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)


Carbon paper in the envelope, used the fingernail to write on the paper after the card was shown.
/what else you got? :)
 
2012-08-15 03:39:12 AM  
Yeah, because if you read Fark, you know that women NEVER touch kids, ever ever ever.

Why didn't they move the kid......or as others have said, upgrade him.....and yeah who would want to sit next to some brat anyway. They will probably get sued over this.
 
2012-08-15 03:42:35 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Captain_Ballbeard: austin_millbarge: As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him

Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.

What does that have to do with "being a man"?

It's a strict cost analysis... does this brat I don't even know mean more to me than my life? And I don't just mean dying, because that would be easy, I mean being presumed guilty, tossed in jail, and treated like subhuman scum for the rest of my natural life just because men have become the reliable old bogeyman used by the media to scare people for ratings?

The answer is no, someone else's kid isn't worth losing everything over. And if you think otherwise, you're not a "man", you're an idiot.


Well, it *is* true. Real men jump at shadows and cower from the mere possibility of low-probability occurrences. That's what real men do.
 
2012-08-15 03:42:41 AM  

Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)



incontrol88.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-08-15 03:48:06 AM  

Vertdang: Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)

Carbon paper in the envelope, used the fingernail to write on the paper after the card was shown.
/what else you got? :)


The story states that the sealed envelope was handed over before the deck was shuffled or card was shown. Assuming the sequence of events is correct, that would require an accomplice in each group.

/kind of puzzled over this one myself
 
2012-08-15 03:48:34 AM  

DarklyDreamingLiberation: I get that he is an angry nurse (they're all angry and for good reason; I have nothing but respect for nurses) and would not hurt a child, but to expect that the whole policy be scrapped is being a whiny c*nt about a tactless flight attendant.

Parents feel safer taking their chances having their kids sit next to stange women than strange men. Period. I ride the bus and T every day and see it all the time. Even with teachers banging their way thru middle schools, being a damn nurse he should still know that FACT; it's definitely mentioned in psych class. Though not all parents are as fortunate to have a male nurse to be sitting next to their kid if god forbid something happen. But come on guy, how are they supposed to know that?

That flight attendant SHOULD have thanked him, too. As well as apologize to all three of them for moving the both of them and probably embarrassing the little girl in the process. If this is standard policy, then it should be part of the damn safety speech. "And to close, as per policy, if you are a single male sitting next to an unaccompanied minor, please switch with the nearest female willing to move seats." A simple sentence, and many a PR situations and possible lawsuits avoided. YOUR WELCOME.

Hopefully all the passengers of that flight can read this article so he can be vindicated of his shame !



Thats one option. Or you could just tell the parents
encrypted-tbn0.google.com
and quit expecting everyone to put your asinine fears at ease.

No that would be too easy. Better to inconvenience and embarrass strangers.
 
2012-08-15 03:55:06 AM  

lelio: Mr. Potatoass: [www.conservationmagazine.org image 314x310]

[i.imgur.com image 314x310]



lmfao
 
2012-08-15 03:55:17 AM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-08-15 03:55:27 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: What does that have to do with "being a man"?


"Being a man" used to mean something back when there was a consensus that adult males ought to be held to standards of conduct above those of women and children. For obvious reasons this idea has largely fallen by the wayside, but some still cling to it for personal reasons.

It used to make good practical sense that men hazard their safety for the sake of children, when the population was low and infant mortality was high and many of the men were employed in doing hazardous stuff for the support of their families anyway. Nowadays the situation is reversed and children are more expendable (in practical terms) than they've ever been, but social mores have not yet caught up with this.
 
2012-08-15 03:55:40 AM  

Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)


The guy shuffling was in on it and cut to a specific card.
 
2012-08-15 03:58:53 AM  

stampylives: [i.imgur.com image 325x183]


There are some things you dont ask
 
2012-08-15 03:59:01 AM  
The whole planet deserves to burn.

Seriously, lets just nuke the whole damned place.
 
2012-08-15 04:06:58 AM  
But feminism is about equality... right?
 
2012-08-15 04:11:23 AM  

JohnnyC: But feminism is about equality... right?


Like traffic laws are for safety
 
2012-08-15 04:12:42 AM  
jetzzfan [Miner]

Damn, off to Amazon to look for a Stratego set.
 
2012-08-15 04:15:31 AM  
And biatches wonder why their men would rather play X-Box than listen to their shiat these days.
 
2012-08-15 04:17:56 AM  
Gee, being asked to sit in a different airplane seat is pretty severe I hope the guy gets treatment for his PTSD. If he works with cancer patients, he can now tell them what REAL suffering is like.
 
2012-08-15 04:18:21 AM  
Captain_Ballbeard: Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.

I think we have to make a judgment call here, I mean, is the kid in danger because they did something really stupid? If so, I'm staying out of Uncle Chuck's way.

// Uncle Chuck, AKA Charles Darwin.
 
2012-08-15 04:19:14 AM  

balisane: Vertdang: Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)

Carbon paper in the envelope, used the fingernail to write on the paper after the card was shown.
/what else you got? :)

The story states that the sealed envelope was handed over before the deck was shuffled or card was shown. Assuming the sequence of events is correct, that would require an accomplice in each group.

/kind of puzzled over this one myself


we thought of the carbon paper but he didn't touch the envelope after he handed it over and he would go up to random Marines and use us to do the trick, I knew some of the guys that got handed the envelope and they were as wigged out by it as I was, and ask any self respecting Marine how likely it would be for one of us to back a squids play against fellow Marines, not likely.
 
2012-08-15 04:20:02 AM  
There was a story a year or two ago about how a little boy drowned in a pond. A guy came forward and said he had seen the child wandering the street, but because we was worried about being branded a molester if he had tried to help the child, he just kept driving. This crap is why that child died, instead of being taken to the police and reunited with his family.
 
2012-08-15 04:22:36 AM  

SquiggelyGrounders: JohnnyC: But feminism is about equality... right?

Like traffic laws are for safety


Traffic laws ARE for safety. They keep the insurance company money safe. They also keep the highway enforcement department's jobs safe. What do you mean they're not for safety?
 
2012-08-15 04:29:33 AM  

fortean chicken: Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway?


Better them sitting next to you than behind you kicking the seat every ten minutes for the entire flight.

Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.
 
2012-08-15 04:30:29 AM  

jaytkay: Gee, being asked to sit in a different airplane seat is pretty severe I hope the guy gets treatment for his PTSD. If he works with cancer patients, he can now tell them what REAL suffering is like.


Yes, because this isn't the worst thing that has ever happened to a human being there is no need to address it.
 
2012-08-15 04:31:11 AM  
Total over-reaction on the airline's part.

Obviously the parents didn't particularly care about this child, or else they would never have let it travel alone on a plane full of peodophiles and kiddy-diddlers.
 
2012-08-15 04:39:48 AM  

tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.


Even then you aren't safe. There is a radio dj here that will occasionally talk about being sexually abused as a child now that her uncle (the pedo) is dead. Only she can tell you if it is true though. I can imagine seeing people start to prey on obituaries looking for prominent individuals within their local communities and come forward after the death of the 'assailant' by cooking up a story and trying to claim grievance money. Especially since the target wouldn't be able to defend himself.

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York...

Charges dropped on the spot = :)
But by that time, 2 years later, my life had been royally farked (her goal in the first place). People at work thought I was farked up in the head, eventually got kicked out of the military, car repossessed, and I was homeless all because no one validated her accusations. = :(
 
2012-08-15 04:50:25 AM  
This weekend I flew to Japan on business. Of course, the government will only pay for cattle class, and all that was left was middle seats. So I spend my own money to move up to United Economy Plus, aisle seat, because fark you United and your new shiatty frequent flyer program. Anyway, during boarding, a mom and her kid (maybe 3 years old) show up for the row behind me, and mom has the middle seat, and her kid has the middle seat across the aisle. She starts yammering at the stewardess about how she needs to sit next to her kid and the stewardess agrees that that needs to happen, but it's a full flight, so mom and stewardess talk the guy right behind me into giving up his aisle seat for a middle so she and the kid can sit together. He's pissed, but gives in, and as far as I could tell got nothing for his trouble.

Who the fark does something like that? I'd have told her to go pound sand--I went to the trouble of properly planning and shelling out my own money to get that seat, and she and her fark-trophy can suck it up or take another flight. And what wussy moron would willingly subject himself to a 13-hour middle-seat ride? Farking retard.
 
2012-08-15 04:56:35 AM  

gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.


It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.
 
2012-08-15 05:01:54 AM  

Tenatra: tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.

Even then you aren't safe. There is a radio dj here that will occasionally talk about being sexually abused as a child now that her uncle (the pedo) is dead. Only she can tell you if it is true though. I can imagine seeing people start to prey on obituaries looking for prominent individuals within their local communities and come forward after the death of the 'assailant' by cooking up a story and trying to claim grievance money. Especially since the target wouldn't be able to defend himself.

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York...

Charges dropped on the spot = :)
But by that time, 2 years later, my life had been royally farked (her goal in the first place). People at work thought I was farked up in the head, eventually got kicked out of the military, car repossessed, and I was homeless all because no one validated her accusations. = :(


And that's why it's easiest not to deal with children, or even women.

No one ever doubts what they say. It can be the most outlandish, baseless, unprovable lie, but because it was said by a woman or child, it's the absolute truth.
 
2012-08-15 05:01:58 AM  

virtdave: gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.

It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.


Man, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING. I'll be talking to one of my German friends and he'll say some two syllable German word. I'll ask him what it means, and he'll be like, "oh, there's not really a word for it in English, it means something like that particular shade of orange that lines the leaves in autumn during a sunrise on a clear, cloudless day". I used to think he was messing with me, but every damn time I call BS, we pull up an English-to-German dictionary, and damned if he isn't dead-on. It's infuriating. I imaging that most of German public schooling consists of vocabulary lessons.
 
2012-08-15 05:17:52 AM  
I had a early summer flight a couple of years ago, ATL - PHX, I think it was America West. Aisle seat, some woman middle, and a 10 or 11 year old UAM girl at the window.

Tow rows forward, also at the window, another 10 or 11 year old girl UAM. The girls had spotted each other, and the flight attendant asked the woman next to me if she'd move to the window up front so the two girls could sit together.(Probably so the flight attendants didn't have to work at tracking two unaccompanied minors)

Several things went through my mind, including the varying degrees of possible crap like the guy in the article encountered.

I had a complex spreadsheet to work on and good headphones. The most annoying part of the flight was the girls raising and lowering the window shade every 10 minutes in an in-flight game of "are we there yet."

In short, nothing happened
 
2012-08-15 05:38:59 AM  

DarklyDreamingLiberation: I get that he is an angry nurse (they're all angry and for good reason; I have nothing but respect for nurses) and would not hurt a child, but to expect that the whole policy be scrapped is being a whiny c*nt about a tactless flight attendant.

Parents feel safer taking their chances having their kids sit next to stange women than strange men. Period. I ride the bus and T every day and see it all the time. Even with teachers banging their way thru middle schools, being a damn nurse he should still know that FACT; it's definitely mentioned in psych class. Though not all parents are as fortunate to have a male nurse to be sitting next to their kid if god forbid something happen. But come on guy, how are they supposed to know that?

That flight attendant SHOULD have thanked him, too. As well as apologize to all three of them for moving the both of them and probably embarrassing the little girl in the process. If this is standard policy, then it should be part of the damn safety speech. "And to close, as per policy, if you are a single male sitting next to an unaccompanied minor, please switch with the nearest female willing to move seats." A simple sentence, and many a PR situations and possible lawsuits avoided. YOUR WELCOME.

Hopefully all the passengers of that flight can read this article so he can be vindicated of his shame !


I don't think you actually understood what happened. He was more or less publicly accused of pedophilia. If he chose to not comply with the stewardess, he would probably have been taken off of the flight by air marshals. That's insulting. It's degrading. Its not about a tactless flight attendant, because nothing they say makes the situation any better. Changing the words doesn't make being accused of pedophilia sound nicer. This getting through to you?

Parents feel yadda yadda yadda. They didn't hire a chaperone, or buy the seats on both sides of the girl. He bought that seat.

And who was it who volunteered every potential woman to be an unpaid babysitter for any random kid? Shouldn't women you know, resent this? Maybe a little?

And no. The policy should be changed. Its insulting to insinuate that every single guy out there is a potential pedo. You can't get away with saying that.
 
2012-08-15 05:43:17 AM  
First thought upon reading the headline was "what kind of a man complains about getting a kid that isnt his removed from his vicinity?"

Then I read the male nurse part of the article.... OHHHHHHH, *THAT* kind of a man....

/ what? caring and upstanding...what did you think I meant?
 
2012-08-15 05:43:56 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: No one ever doubts what they say. It can be the most outlandish, baseless, unprovable lie, but because it was said by a woman or child, it's the absolute truth.


Yea especially if they are willing to jump the gun on a warrant if they can't make contact with you immediately. Lemme tell you, it was fan-farking-tastic when I woke up at a friends house and found out there was an all-points bulletin out for my ass in the city and I was to be arrested at the gate if I tried going on to the base. Not to mention security forces looking for me all night on base.
 
2012-08-15 05:49:45 AM  
In other news, that poll at the end of the article now looks like a penis.
 
2012-08-15 05:59:05 AM  
Had a friend that took his kids camping. He had a really nice tent they all could sleep in, very roomy, even for 5 kids. He was struggling single father. Anyway, he had 1 boy and 4 girls, from 6 years old to 17. He was getting ready to go to sleep when a camp worker walked up and asked to talk to him. The worker said, "You're not sleeping in the tent with the kids are you?" My friend said "Um..ya, they are my kids!" The worker said that unless he would sleep in the car, they would have to leave. Utter bullshiat, and my friend went medieval on the guy. Turned out the worker was a christian fundie, and walked around pulling this bullshiat on allot of campers. The guy was fired, and my friend got the weekend free there, along with a letter of apology from the owners.
 
2012-08-15 06:03:27 AM  

untaken_name: virtdave: gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.

It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.

Man, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING. I'll be talking to one of my German friends and he'll say some two syllable German word. I'll ask him what it means, and he'll be like, "oh, there's not really a word for it in English, it means something like that particular shade of orange that lines the leaves in autumn during a sunrise on a clear, cloudless day". I used to think he was messing with me, but every damn time I call BS, we pull up an English-to-German dictionary, and damned if he isn't dead-on. It's infuriating. I imaging that most of German public schooling consists of vocabulary lessons.


While the Germans do have a lot of compound words with unusual meanings, the breadth of vocabulary found in English is insanely huge by comparison to any other Euro language, possibly any other language on the planet. This is due to our gothic and romantic roots, our appropriating of words from other languages and the huge geographic spread resulting in new slangs and dialects evolving constantly.
 
2012-08-15 06:03:55 AM  
If this happened to me, I'd be delighted I didn't have to sit next to snotty nosed little girl the whole flight.

Oh wait, it' because it's on the assumption that I'm a kiddy diddler? WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE.JPG?
 
2012-08-15 06:04:25 AM  
They weren't unaccompanied, but I once found myself in the 3-side of an MD80 surrounded by not one, not two, but FIVE -- FIVE infants in lap.

The drink cart made it to my row, and before they had a chance to ask what I would like I said "SCOTCH. NOW." The FA said "This is so totally on us" and comped me a couple handfuls. I still twitch a bit from that.
 
2012-08-15 06:09:11 AM  
this is one of the beauty parts of teh internetz. people calling out piss-poor customer handling for all to know about. hopefully Quantas will end up with improved procedures after all the dust has settled. maybe that will make butt-hurt male nurse feel better about the whole thing.

i'll continue to avoid your children at all costs. i don't need the grief and i try to avoid conflicts with johnny law at all times. if i was great dictator i'd send all your children to Europe to be raised by right proper nannies. send them home all grown up with the cutest English accents. of course, that's assuming they made it past the death panels. same goes for you. trim the fat, no country for tarts and all that, you know.
 
2012-08-15 06:14:31 AM  

Gothnet: untaken_name: virtdave: gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.

It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.

Man, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING. I'll be talking to one of my German friends and he'll say some two syllable German word. I'll ask him what it means, and he'll be like, "oh, there's not really a word for it in English, it means something like that particular shade of orange that lines the leaves in autumn during a sunrise on a clear, cloudless day". I used to think he was messing with me, but every damn time I call BS, we pull up an English-to-German dictionary, and damned if he isn't dead-on. It's infuriating. I imaging that most of German public schooling consists of vocabulary lessons.

While the Germans do have a lot of compound words with unusual meanings, the breadth of vocabulary found in English is insanely huge by comparison to any other Euro language, possibly any other language on the planet. This is due to our gothic and romantic roots, our appropriating of words from other languages and the huge geographic spread resulting in new slangs and dialects evolving constantly.


Yes, but while we have somewhere around 250k words, many of them have duplicate meanings because they were appropriated from different languages. I wonder how many words there are with unique definitions in English, and how that compares to other languages.
 
2012-08-15 06:21:27 AM  

Captain_Ballbeard: austin_millbarge: As much as some of these parents are batshiat paranoid about OMG MOLESTERZ I want to be nowhere near a kid out of fear of being locked up BECUZ YOU BREATHED ON HIM DURP!!!

/also, don't ask me to save your kid if he's in trouble
//little johnny is going to drown before i lay a hand on him

Just because the world is shiat doesn't mean we are not men any more.


We are DEVO.
 
2012-08-15 06:25:32 AM  

Bigdogdaddy: ladyfortuna: Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?

When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...

Well, 15 is a lot different than 15. The people that booked the airline should have been more aware of the age thing, not that there aren't female pedophiles. Glad nothing bad happened to you.

It's a sad world we live in. ~sigh~


Actually, there ARE female pedophiles, and this presumption that somehow a child is safer with a woman than a man--because we all know only men are incapable of controlling their urges--is what keeps them undetected. Because we all know women never would harm a child, right?
 
2012-08-15 06:33:42 AM  

untaken_name: Gothnet: untaken_name: virtdave: gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.

It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.

Man, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING. I'll be talking to one of my German friends and he'll say some two syllable German word. I'll ask him what it means, and he'll be like, "oh, there's not really a word for it in English, it means something like that particular shade of orange that lines the leaves in autumn during a sunrise on a clear, cloudless day". I used to think he was messing with me, but every damn time I call BS, we pull up an English-to-German dictionary, and damned if he isn't dead-on. It's infuriating. I imaging that most of German public schooling consists of vocabulary lessons.

While the Germans do have a lot of compound words with unusual meanings, the breadth of vocabulary found in English is insanely huge by comparison to any other Euro language, possibly any other language on the planet. This is due to our gothic and romantic roots, our appropriating of words from other languages and the huge geographic spread resulting in new slangs and dialects evolving constantly.

Yes, but while we have somewhere around 250k words, many of them have duplicate meanings because they were appropriated from different languages. I wonder how many words there are with unique definitions in English, and how that compares to other languages.


Many, many more. We do have many overlapping terms, but each is accompanied by its own connotations and nuances, two terms that themselves are close in meaning but not a perfect match.

English, by being the klepto of languages, so far has proven to capture the zeitgeist better than most others. A source of patriotic schadenfreude to some.
 
2012-08-15 06:34:52 AM  

fusillade762: Qantas has defended its policy, saying it is consistent with that of other airlines around the world and reflects parents' concerns.

If the parents are so concerned why don't they just ACCOMPANY THEIR F*CKING CHILDREN???


Yup. Quit expecting others to parent your kids, and do the job yourself, asshole.
 
2012-08-15 06:43:36 AM  
It's better to learn the arts of love from an adult woman.
 
2012-08-15 06:45:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Bigdogdaddy: ladyfortuna: Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?

When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...

Well, 15 is a lot different than 15. The people that booked the airline should have been more aware of the age thing, not that there aren't female pedophiles. Glad nothing bad happened to you.

It's a sad world we live in. ~sigh~

Actually, there ARE female pedophiles, and this presumption that somehow a child is safer with a woman than a man--because we all know only men are incapable of controlling their urges--is what keeps them undetected. Because we all know women never would harm a child, right?


I didn't say that children were safer with a woman because I know more women that are hateful to their own children and other's children and actually people in general than men are. Usually men are like, "leave me alone kid." Actually, I would be glad they moved me if it were the same type seat (aisle or window) because it is too easy to get accused of something by just an innocent pat on the head today. I will not even work with children for fear of having to defend myself against bullshiat. Shame, it's a loss for the children as well as myself because I generally like children and they seem to like me.
 
2012-08-15 06:48:39 AM  
Why not just make sure unaccompanied children are seated on the aisle? No passengers are needlessly embarassed and probably noone's going to do anything with the kid in such full view. Also, easier for the stewardess to check on every 10 minutes. Usually a couple stewardesses, not too much of a hassle to ask one to walk down the aisle every 10 minutes. Oh, and women can be molestors too.
 
2012-08-15 06:50:41 AM  

Gothnet: untaken_name: Gothnet: untaken_name: virtdave: gibbon1: Of course anything is better than sitting next to a French sex tourist flying back home from Bangkok.

It's probably more common to sit next to a German sex tourist....there's even a German word ("bomsbomber", i.e., 'farkbomber') to designate airplane flights specializing in such amusements.
And the return flights are called "dripsklipper", i.e., 'clapclipper', since most such tourists have picked up some little venereal friends while in Thailand.

Man, those Germans have a word for EVERYTHING. I'll be talking to one of my German friends and he'll say some two syllable German word. I'll ask him what it means, and he'll be like, "oh, there's not really a word for it in English, it means something like that particular shade of orange that lines the leaves in autumn during a sunrise on a clear, cloudless day". I used to think he was messing with me, but every damn time I call BS, we pull up an English-to-German dictionary, and damned if he isn't dead-on. It's infuriating. I imaging that most of German public schooling consists of vocabulary lessons.

While the Germans do have a lot of compound words with unusual meanings, the breadth of vocabulary found in English is insanely huge by comparison to any other Euro language, possibly any other language on the planet. This is due to our gothic and romantic roots, our appropriating of words from other languages and the huge geographic spread resulting in new slangs and dialects evolving constantly.

Yes, but while we have somewhere around 250k words, many of them have duplicate meanings because they were appropriated from different languages. I wonder how many words there are with unique definitions in English, and how that compares to other languages.

Many, many more. We do have many overlapping terms, but each is accompanied by its own connotations and nuances, two terms that themselves are close in meaning but not a perfect match.

English, by being the klepto of l ...


Touché.
 
2012-08-15 06:51:46 AM  

Pribar: balisane: Vertdang: Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)

Carbon paper in the envelope, used the fingernail to write on the paper after the card was shown.
/what else you got? :)

The story states that the sealed envelope was handed over before the deck was shuffled or card was shown. Assuming the sequence of events is correct, that would require an accomplice in each group.

/kind of puzzled over this one myself

we thought of the carbon paper but he didn't touch the envelope after he handed it over and he would go up to random Marines and use us to do the trick, I knew some of the guys that got handed the envelope and they were as wigged out by it as I was, and ask any self respecting Marine how likely it would be for one of us to back a squids play against fellow Marines, not likely.


Ah, I missed the "handed over" part. Yeah, that's good.
 
2012-08-15 07:17:14 AM  
I normally can't stand the "I don't want to help a crying child because I'm a male" mentality I see a lot on here, but this time the guy was so fine with it that he didn't even know why they moved him at first. The airline just helped perpetuate this myth.
 
2012-08-15 07:21:34 AM  

darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB


Did he make your penis disappear?
 
2012-08-15 07:30:27 AM  
The clustergrope over child safety is reaching a fevered pitch. Yesterday evening, the entirety of our High School Band Boosters who *might* see a child were summoned to a special meeting, where we were addressed by the principal. He read us a required statement, whereby we are now required to report *all* cases of suspected child abuse to authorities within 24 hours. Then, we all had to fill out and have notarized, signed forms indicating our awareness of said requirements. Any reports will be kept strictly anonymous, and will result upon THE SYSTEM coming down upon the suspect with both iron boots and a microscope. So now, not only are all our school employees co-opted into becoming volunteer DFACS agents by law, we are as well. And the suspect doesn't get the right to face their accuser, in direct violation of the constitutional rights.

Incremental Communism, whereby everybody becomes government agents, one small step at a time. And all in the name of a billion special interests.

Interestingly, they never defined "child abuse".
 
2012-08-15 07:39:55 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Interestingly, they never defined "child abuse".



That's easy. Anything. As there is no "Normal use" of a child, the term abuse is meaningless and thereby arbitrary.
 
2012-08-15 07:46:33 AM  

tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.


Werd
 
2012-08-15 07:46:40 AM  
God bless the stupid anglo-frocking world.

Come to South America. Here it is routine for fathers, brothers, uncles.. to carry and care for, travel with, kiss the children of their families and everyone just thinks it is adorable and lovely. Of course *ssholes with mental defects and who need castration/ whatever equivalent for women plus lobotomies exist everywhere and everywhere they exist, molestation occurs, but here it is not a given.

The other day, I saw a father lift his daughter and kiss her belly happily and the child squealed in delight. People would think any other behaviour here is abnormal.

I just hope that the utterly stupid behaviour of USA/ Canada/ Australia/UK and Ireland, New Zealand and wherever else this sort of hysteria exists does not infect the rest of the sane world.
 
2012-08-15 08:01:56 AM  

HAMMERTOE: Incremental Communism, whereby everybody becomes government agents, one small step at a time. And all in the name of a billion special interests.


Mandatory reporting of crimes against children hardly seems like an onerous expansion of government or the result of special interest policies -- every human being should be happy to help a child report crimes against them. In a purely theoretical political sense I can see why you don't like the concept of mandatory reporting, but from a practical sense I have trouble imagining a scenario where not reporting child abuse is a morally acceptable outcome.

I have no idea what you're on about with respect to "face the accuser" -- you can't file a child abuse report without naming the child that was harmed, because such a report could never be investigated. The adult filing the report is not a party to the crime, they're just making a report, and they can be held liable for filing a false report just like anyone else.

If you've got a problem with how reports of child abuse are handled that might be worthwhile discussion -- the current system has many failings -- but mandatory reporting requirements are on par with the requirement to buy car insurance in terms of infringement of your rights.
 
2012-08-15 08:11:59 AM  
Meh, overreaction and sexual discrimination at its purest. Every time I've noted a single male on a flight, he was either A) Sleeping for the duration, B) Working, C) The undercover air marshal. No pedo specs or mustaches that I could discern.
 
2012-08-15 08:12:10 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Bigdogdaddy: ladyfortuna: Bigdogdaddy: Obviously the parents weren't concerned about sending the child on a flight by herself. I guess we went from helicopter parents to making airplane parents?

When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.

Kids parents today...

Well, 15 is a lot different than 15. The people that booked the airline should have been more aware of the age thing, not that there aren't female pedophiles. Glad nothing bad happened to you.

It's a sad world we live in. ~sigh~

Actually, there ARE female pedophiles, and this presumption that somehow a child is safer with a woman than a man--because we all know only men are incapable of controlling their urges--is what keeps them undetected. Because we all know women never would harm a child, right?


I did some research back in the day, and was shocked to find out the percentages of sex abuse of children by gender was 15% female and 85% male. But I never really trusted this number because my suspicion is that abuse by women is underreported.

It made me wonder what they were doing. Because women cant penetrate and all. More research gave me the terribly depressing answer. Its stuff like bathing with children, fondling them while they sleep, and the same stuff that men did. It just goes unreported because of how people view this stuff.

//subsequently discovered 2 female pedos
///tried to get investigations launched. nothing happened
Not a CSB
 
2012-08-15 08:35:01 AM  

SquiggelyGrounders: JohnnyC: But feminism is about equality... right?

Like traffic laws are for safety


Correct. Most traffic laws are for safety, that is a valid example.
 
2012-08-15 08:38:26 AM  
www.hollywoodreporter.com
What a kiddie fiddler might look like

/I was worried about doing a GIS for 'kiddie fiddler' at work....
 
2012-08-15 08:45:19 AM  
I wouldn't mind a policy of seating kids by themselves. But fark, move the kid not me. Don't say "You're probably a pedo and we don't trust you to sit next to a child" Move the kid and say "We thought you probably didn't want to spend 5 hours trapped next to someone else's crotch goblin."

I'd thank you, and feel better about the flight.

CSB:

Taking a flight one day and was seated next to this 9 (or so) year old spanish girl. She decided to occupy her time by flipping the ashtray door open and closed (this was after no smoking on flights, but before they put in new chairs).
*flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip*
Hey would you mind not doing that? It's annoying.
I don't speak English. *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip*
Hey! please stop doing that.
I don't speak English. *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip*
*I point at the ashtray* Please. Stop. Doing. That.
I don't speak English *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip*
*I again point at the ashtray and say "NO!"
I don't speak English *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip* *flip flip*
*at this point I know she has to be farking with me since 'No' is the same damn word in spanish*
*Slams hand down on the ashtray nearly catching her little hispanic finger in it*
Do you farking understand that??
(she did)
 
2012-08-15 08:49:13 AM  
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2012-08-15 08:50:12 AM  
I don't think somebody who is willing to stick a 10 year old on a flight alone has a whole lot of room to be complaining about whether random strangers are in the vicinity of their kid. They obviously don't give enough of a fark to arrange something safer, so why should everyone else have to accommodate them?
 
2012-08-15 08:57:19 AM  
LAWYERS

suck!
 
2012-08-15 09:00:56 AM  

tankjr: HAMMERTOE: Interestingly, they never defined "child abuse".


That's easy. Anything. As there is no "Normal use" of a child, the term abuse is meaningless and thereby arbitrary.


Children are not to be used for the other use, thank you.
 
2012-08-15 09:04:35 AM  

Elrond Hubbard: You want to upgrade me to a better section (if possible)? Fine. Otherwise, F off. Move the kid.


So much this. You're going to punish ME for your lack of seating planning? Fark you. I picked this seat specifically because I wanted to sit *here*, next to a window (because I don't get up at all on flights under 5 hours), or close to the washroom (some people like the convenience) or whatever reason. This kid's parent/guardian/owner picked a seat at random.

The choices are:

1) Move the kid.
2) Move me to business or first class.
3) Fark off, you used-up slag of a skywhore (if female attendant) or Fark off, you panty-waisted girly-man poofter (if male attendant)
 
2012-08-15 09:04:37 AM  
Half the country boycotts some chicken joint cause the founder gives a teensy part of the profits to anti-gay Baptists but straight-forward, in your face anti-male bigotry and no one is boycotting anything?

FWIW my kids often have to fly unaccompanied to see their grandma and no airline has ever asked me, the parent, whether I have any views and/or choices on who they sit next too. The airlines are full of shiat and are just banking on the fact that anti-male sexist bigotry is the acceptable norm.
 
2012-08-15 09:09:21 AM  
Someone was actually p1ssed off enough to make a website comparing policies. No idea if info is correct:

http://www.vcclan.org/forums/view.php?pg=airline_discrimination_table
 
2012-08-15 09:10:22 AM  
I'm so afraid of the "all men are probably child molesters" fear that the asshole media has created that I moved to another country (actually, there were also other reasons for the move, such as work and personal interests). I'm a teacher, and if I was around children in Canada I would be constantly paranoid and on edge. The kids would receive a seriously crippled education from me because of that.

My wife is Japanese, and if I was seen alone with half-Japanese kids in my hometown everyone would jump to conclusions of molestation since interracial marriages between whites and Asians are still rare there. I once had a security guard interrogate me because he thought my wife was a child I had abducted, despite us being the same age and her just being small and youngish-looking.

Here in Japan there is no such fear. I teach children almost daily at the school I work for, with no issues at all. I'm often alone in a room with a single child (sometimes girls as young as 6). Even though I'm a big foreign guy with a beard and shaved head, the parents are always delighted and constantly scold their children for acting out of hand. I was once teaching the mother of a family who attended, and her 4 year-old daughter ran into the room after our lesson and started hugging my arm. The mother chuckled and then apologized to me before telling her daughter to stop bothering me. If that were Canada or the US, I would have been beaten to a pulp.
 
2012-08-15 09:12:47 AM  
On the minus side, it sucks to be viewed with suspicious just because you are a member of half the human race.

But on the plus side, you don't have to sit beside unaccompanied kids. So there is that.
 
2012-08-15 09:15:59 AM  

tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.


And now you know why we don't stop your children from doing stupid shiat. Forty years ago all adults would stop a child from doing something dangerous and stupid, now fark it they are not my kids and the lawsuit is not worth it, let the little bastard drown.
 
2012-08-15 09:17:25 AM  

fusillade762: Qantas has defended its policy, saying it is consistent with that of other airlines around the world and reflects parents' concerns.

If the parents are so concerned why don't they just ACCOMPANY THEIR F*CKING CHILDREN???


Because they are just a little concerned.

And who can blame them, with a potential predator in an escape-proof box surrounded by dozens of witnesses? He might get an inappropriate touch in before being beaten to a pulp by angry passengers.
 
2012-08-15 09:18:05 AM  
Oh yeah, welcome to being male in the 21st century, put your big boy underoos on and deal with it.
 
2012-08-15 09:25:54 AM  

FirstNationalBastard:

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York ...


My ex claimed that I pointed a gun at her face. When she got on the witness stand my lawyer asked, "What color was it?" She "couldn't remember". "There was a gun pointed at your face and you don't know what color it was?" She broke down and the charges were dropped. That part of the trial is a fond memory. The sleepless nights and the checks I wrote are not. And to this day I get people around town pointing and whispering from time to time. But the most depressing part is that there were no repercussions for the fabrication. If the justice system were just, if there wasn't a systemic bias against men, false accusers would face jail time.
 
2012-08-15 09:27:01 AM  

Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)


Thought I was done with sea stories. Anyway, you forgot the "This is no shiat..."
 
2012-08-15 09:30:29 AM  
Seems to me that if parents are okay with their kids traveling by themselves, that they're okay with whoever they end up sitting next to. Airlines shouldn't have to do parents' jobs for them.
 
2012-08-15 09:37:05 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: SpikeStrip: i'd probably ask to be moved to another seat myself.

Seriously

/get that damned kid away from me
//and bring me another drink


==========

^Third^

I go out of my way to avoid children in public because it very likely in our paranoid society that the kid might do something, or make some accusation, that can ruin your life.

Case in point:

A few years ago I was on an early morning bike ride. Even though I went out early, the temp was over 90 by 9:00am (damn you global warming). I over did it, and needed to stop to cool off. I pulled into a park with the intention of sitting on one of the benches and cooling off with the sports drink I brought along. When I rode into the park, I noticed that there was some kind of activity taking place near the band shell with a bunch of little kids and their moms. I DELIBERATELY RODE TO THE FAR END OF THE PARK TO BE AWAY FROM THESE KIDS AND THEIR MOMS. I sat down at a bench which was out of site of the band shell. I was there about 5 minutes when these three little girls came riding down the bike path with no other adults in site. The youngest girl looked to be about 8 and the oldest 11 or 12, one of them was riding a pink Barbie bike. I said nothing to these kids, did not acknowledge them, or encourage them in any way. The kids saw me sitting at the bench, so all three stopped, got off their bikes and plopped themselves down on the bench next to me. I ignored them. They sat there a few minutes when two of the girls tried to push the 3rd girl over on top of me, and all three giggling away. I got up, hopped on my bike and slowly rode away hoping no one else saw this....fortunately, no one did. If someone had, the next day's headline would have read: "Bike Riding Park Perv Arrested for Molesting Children"

The kids in the above story did exactly what they have been told NOT TO DO since they have been old enough to understand. The mothers let them out of site because yacking with the other soccer moms about the Kardashians was more important than keeping an eye on their kids. Have no doubts if anyone had seen me near these kids, even though I did nothing, there would have been dozens of 911 calls being made to the PD.

If you are an adult male, STAY AWAY FROM ALL UNDERAGE KIDS. Don't talk to them, don't pat them on the head, do not wink at them, NOTHING. It's unfortunate, but that's what our society has come to.
 
2012-08-15 09:38:45 AM  
In other news: Men aren't human beings anymore.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:39 AM  

Oblio13: My ex claimed that I pointed a gun at her face. When she got on the witness stand my lawyer asked, "What color was it?"


Flesh-colored.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:54 AM  

profplump: I have no idea what you're on about with respect to "face the accuser" -- you can't file a child abuse report without naming the child that was harmed, because such a report could never be investigated. The adult filing the report is not a party to the crime, they're just making a report, and they can be held liable for filing a false report just like anyone else.


Quite simply, this allows for "revenge reportings" whereby somebody with a grudge can make a person's life a living hell by repeatedly activating the system, and the system by law, MUST follow up on every report, repeatedly invading a family's privacy, causing them unwanted attention, embarrassment, and an unearned reputation, simply because, "Where there's smoke, there's fire." And no, they can not be "held liable for filing a false report" simply because all they have to say is, "It looked like child abuse to me." I have no less than three members of my extended family who work for DFACS. In fact, one was a Director (retired now). And still, I've had to endure the intense scrutiny of the system, all because I insulted somebody's manhood. They even sent "suggestive" pictures I had posted to a facebook album (but my daughter had in fact taken,) to local newspapers, trying to smear my reputation. That proved to be their undoing, as the newspaper notified me, and gave me their anonymous letter, along with the "suggestive" pictures, and I recognized their handwriting. When I confronted them and threatened legal action, the harassment stopped.
 
2012-08-15 09:46:45 AM  
I sat next to a girl age 10 to 13 from Houston to Seattle.

We played some kid's card game. No problem until baggage claim, when she spoke to me and her mother saw it. She called security, ranted awhile. I left.

The kid shoulda kept quiet, I had no intention of ratting her out.
 
2012-08-15 09:52:19 AM  

Ebbelwoi: Half the country boycotts some chicken joint cause the founder gives a teensy part of the profits to anti-gay Baptists but straight-forward, in your face anti-male bigotry and no one is boycotting anything?

FWIW my kids often have to fly unaccompanied to see their grandma and no airline has ever asked me, the parent, whether I have any views and/or choices on who they sit next too. The airlines are full of shiat and are just banking on the fact that anti-male sexist bigotry is the acceptable norm.


Try bringing this up with a third-wave, feminist bigot some time. In most cases you'll get one (or both) of the following responses:
1. TPHMT ("The Patriarchy Hurts Men Too")
2. "On noes, what about the menz???" (Ultra-condescending way to say "because you're a man, your problems and concerns don't matter")

/You've come a long way, baby
 
2012-08-15 09:57:14 AM  

WhippingBoy: Try bringing this up with a third-wave, feminist bigot some time. In most cases you'll get one (or both) of the following responses:
1. TPHMT ("The Patriarchy Hurts Men Too")
2. "On noes, what about the menz???" (Ultra-condescending way to say "because you're a man, your problems and concerns don't matter")


I'm sure you run into women like that every day

/ On your AM radio
// In your basement
/// Among the empty cheetoh bags
 
2012-08-15 10:05:41 AM  

Pattuq: I'm so afraid of the "all men are probably child molesters" fear that the asshole media has created that I moved to another country (actually, there were also other reasons for the move, such as work and personal interests). I'm a teacher, and if I was around children in Canada I would be constantly paranoid and on edge. The kids would receive a seriously crippled education from me because of that.

My wife is Japanese, and if I was seen alone with half-Japanese kids in my hometown everyone would jump to conclusions of molestation since interracial marriages between whites and Asians are still rare there. I once had a security guard interrogate me because he thought my wife was a child I had abducted, despite us being the same age and her just being small and youngish-looking.

Here in Japan there is no such fear. I teach children almost daily at the school I work for, with no issues at all. I'm often alone in a room with a single child (sometimes girls as young as 6). Even though I'm a big foreign guy with a beard and shaved head, the parents are always delighted and constantly scold their children for acting out of hand. I was once teaching the mother of a family who attended, and her 4 year-old daughter ran into the room after our lesson and started hugging my arm. The mother chuckled and then apologized to me before telling her daughter to stop bothering me. If that were Canada or the US, I would have been beaten to a pulp.


Oh man, I know that feeling (sorta)!

I got sideways accused of pedo/predatory intent by some young (I say young; he was probably 22; I was around 27/28) guy with a little authority (and probably a crush or big brother mentality) for talking to - not hitting on, just talking to - a woman who I knew was in her 20s, just because she looks young. I had no idea what the deal was, or who he was talking about, until he said "she looks like she's 13!"

At that point I knew what was going on and knew not to bother arguing.

Luckily it only cost me my (temporary, low-paid) job and didn't result in any legal bullshiat (this was Louisiana, so double lucky).

(Further clarification - the woman complained to someone - no idea what she actually said I did - and this guy was the guy who came to deliver the news.)
 
2012-08-15 10:05:53 AM  
When it comes to kiddy fiddlers ALL MEN ARE GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT.

And even then, in the public eye, you're still guilty.
 
2012-08-15 10:11:42 AM  

jaytkay: WhippingBoy: Try bringing this up with a third-wave, feminist bigot some time. In most cases you'll get one (or both) of the following responses:
1. TPHMT ("The Patriarchy Hurts Men Too")
2. "On noes, what about the menz???" (Ultra-condescending way to say "because you're a man, your problems and concerns don't matter")

I'm sure you run into women like that every day

/ On your AM radio
// In your basement
/// Among the empty cheetoh bags


In a genuine attempt to improve myself and make myself less of a ignorant bigot, I started reading some of the more popular third-wave feminist blogs in order to try to get a different perspective on things. I tried to view them with an open mind, as free from past prejudices as possible (admittedly, not an easy thing to do). While the main topics of the blogs are thought-provoking and address many, many valid and unacceptable social injustices that still exist today, most of the commenters seem to be simple-minded bigots with an axe to grind against the evil menz. They don't want equality, they want retribution, as well as a scapegoat to blame for all their failures in life.

So yeah, I do run into these types of people on a regular basis.
 
2012-08-15 10:12:08 AM  
Wagga Wagga? WTF is wrong with Australia?
 
2012-08-15 10:36:04 AM  

Rush's_pills: Wagga Wagga? WTF is wrong with Australia?


Uh, you see son, before the white Australians came, there were these people called the aborigines...
 
2012-08-15 11:21:05 AM  
j.wigflip.com
 
2012-08-15 11:32:54 AM  

snow9999: There was a story a year or two ago about how a little boy drowned in a pond. A guy came forward and said he had seen the child wandering the street, but because we was worried about being branded a molester if he had tried to help the child, he just kept driving. This crap is why that child died, instead of being taken to the police and reunited with his family.


If that is true, he is at best an ass and at worst criminally negligent. At the very least he should have flagged down a cop or called 911 but no, he had to go all "men's rights" instead of doing his civic duty toward another human being.
 
2012-08-15 11:41:39 AM  

Rush's_pills: Wagga Wagga? WTF is wrong with Australia?


You can fly from Wagga Wagga to Walla Walla...
 
2012-08-15 11:46:10 AM  

DarklyDreamingLiberation: I get that he is an angry nurse (they're all angry and for good reason; I have nothing but respect for nurses) and would not hurt a child, but to expect that the whole policy be scrapped is being a whiny c*nt about a tactless flight attendant.

Parents feel safer taking their chances having their kids sit next to stange women than strange men. Period. I ride the bus and T every day and see it all the time. Even with teachers banging their way thru middle schools, being a damn nurse he should still know that FACT; it's definitely mentioned in psych class. Though not all parents are as fortunate to have a male nurse to be sitting next to their kid if god forbid something happen. But come on guy, how are they supposed to know that?

That flight attendant SHOULD have thanked him, too. As well as apologize to all three of them for moving the both of them and probably embarrassing the little girl in the process. If this is standard policy, then it should be part of the damn safety speech. "And to close, as per policy, if you are a single male sitting next to an unaccompanied minor, please switch with the nearest female willing to move seats." A simple sentence, and many a PR situations and possible lawsuits avoided. YOUR WELCOME.

Hopefully all the passengers of that flight can read this article so he can be vindicated of his shame !


Well, this is the end result of sexism. It's sort of a two-way sword--assume all women are inherently asexual, and you end up portraying all men as horny bastards.

And then the feminism movement came in and the men all leaped off the bandwagon (because THEY HATE MEN!!1111!!!1eleventy!), so we've had a women's-rights movement but we only have a men-whining-like-biatches movement.

It's messy. It's ridiculous. And this is why men need an actual rights movement instead of just whimpering about child support.
 
2012-08-15 11:52:19 AM  
Here's the part I don't understand. Since when did in-flight kiddie-diddling become such a big problem that a discriminatory policy became necessary to solve it? The whole thing sounds a lot like the current efforts to disenfranchise people from voting in order to stop virtually non-existent vote-fraud from occurring. In other words, it's based on fear, not reason.

Maybe things have changed more than I realize in the past 10 years. I haven't flown commercially since before 9/11, and wouldn't want to sit anywhere near someone else's child anyway (whether they're accompanied or not). But I have never heard of a case where a pedo attempted to mess around with a kid on board a plane in flight, or on the ground for that matter. I mean, it's a rather public setting and all that.

So what really explains the airlines' paranoia about men? There doesn't seem to be a fact-based motive for making the male passengers move. If the intent is to reduce their potential liability from lawsuits, the gender discrimination complaints being filed against them tend to suggest their efforts are backfiring.

\am serious here, and would appreciate it if someone could provide a rationale for why these measures are being taken to fix something that wasn't broken in the first place. I'm too lazy to google it, but is there any documented evidence that a man has ever molested even a single child on a commercial flight?
 
2012-08-15 12:01:39 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-15 12:09:51 PM  

fortean chicken: Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway? I'd be thanking the flight attendant for getting me out of there. I flippin' hate kids.


I'd rather sit next to a child that a humungous, musky fat person whose side-hams are blurping over the arm rest and taking up 30% of my seat. It's happened more than once, and I always thought that if lard-ass was going to be using part of my seat, he/she should have chipped in for my ticket.
 
2012-08-15 12:14:58 PM  

JustTheTip: fortean chicken: Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway? I'd be thanking the flight attendant for getting me out of there. I flippin' hate kids.

I'd rather sit next to a child that a humungous, musky fat person whose side-hams are blurping over the arm rest and taking up 30% of my seat. It's happened more than once, and I always thought that if lard-ass was going to be using part of my seat, he/she should have chipped in for my ticket.


...have you considered trying to molest the fat guy?
 
2012-08-15 12:17:03 PM  

JustTheTip: fortean chicken: Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway? I'd be thanking the flight attendant for getting me out of there. I flippin' hate kids.

I'd rather sit next to a child that a humungous, musky fat person whose side-hams are blurping over the arm rest and taking up 30% of my seat. It's happened more than once, and I always thought that if lard-ass was going to be using part of my seat, he/she should have chipped in for my ticket.


But you get to feel superior to someone else for free... it all evens out.
 
2012-08-15 12:20:19 PM  

I May Be Crazy But...: JustTheTip: fortean chicken: Who the heck wants to sit next to a child anyway? I'd be thanking the flight attendant for getting me out of there. I flippin' hate kids.

I'd rather sit next to a child that a humungous, musky fat person whose side-hams are blurping over the arm rest and taking up 30% of my seat. It's happened more than once, and I always thought that if lard-ass was going to be using part of my seat, he/she should have chipped in for my ticket.

...have you considered trying to molest the fat guy?


...or at least trying to poke yer pecker into one of his side hams?
 
2012-08-15 12:24:23 PM  

JustTheTip: I'd rather sit next to a child that a humungous, musky fat person whose side-hams are blurping over the arm rest and taking up 30% of my seat.


i12.photobucket.com
 
2012-08-15 12:47:56 PM  
untaken_name: Yes, but while we have somewhere around 250k words, many of them have duplicate meanings because they were appropriated from different languages. I wonder how many words there are with unique definitions in English, and how that compares to other languages.

Heck, other languages have lots of similar definitions for words. They're subject to the same slanguage building as English.

Unique definitions, I'd figure that would be similar since you have nouns (person, place or thing) and verbs (actions).

I would say throw out 'person & place' from nouns and focus on things.

Things are physical objects, so any language that has been exposed to a given thing should have one (or more) words for it.

And for actions, what if one language has a word for a complex series of actions, but another language breaks the steps into multiple words. Do you count each of their verbs as individual words for that action?

Like, one language has a word for 'running in place', but in another language, that concept was never established, so they end up with a phrase instead that consists of their verb for 'running' and their verb for 'standing still'

// Besides, the words meanings with multiple words are balanced by the words with multiple meanings. Just look up the definition of 'mole'.

// how many words do the Eskimo have for snow
 
2012-08-15 01:06:35 PM  
Exact same thing happened to me last week on Airtran. I was flighing alone (I'm a 32 year old male) and was seated next to a ~8 year old girl who was flying alone. She had a middle seat between me and another guy, and like the article, second to last row in the plane. The flight attendant asked the girl if she'd be more comfortable sitting one row back closer to her where they was a free seat. The girl said she was fine. Then she asked me if I wanted to sit in the exit row since there were a couple free seats up there (i.e., no one next to me plus a lot more leg room). I took it, but still seems a little insulting now. I figured they may want to give the girl more space and help keep their eye on her.
 
2012-08-15 01:09:54 PM  
from all the biatching and moaning in this article, there appears to be two little girls in this story...

/distress and mental anguish thoroughly documented, lawsuit commencing in 3...2...
 
2012-08-15 01:13:36 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: The majority of child molesters are family friends.
The majority of child molesters are female.


Mom is usually the neglecter or physical abuser.
Mom's boyfriend or a male relative of the child is usually the diddler.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:36 PM  
The people that see pedos everywhere and raise the biggest ruckus remind me of the Republicans that rail against queers. They always get outed as the thing they hate.
 
2012-08-15 01:23:27 PM  

Pribar: card


Slip force. http://www.scribd.com/doc/24958848/Easy-Card-Tricks-Make-a-Chosen-Card -Appear-In-Your-Shoe
 
2012-08-15 01:34:28 PM  

Oblio13: My ex claimed that I pointed a gun at her face. When she got on the witness stand my lawyer asked, "What color was it?" She "couldn't remember". "There was a gun pointed at your face and you don't know what color it was?" She broke down and the charges were dropped. That part of the trial is a fond memory. The sleepless nights and the checks I wrote are not. And to this day I get people around town pointing and whispering from time to time. But the most depressing part is that there were no repercussions for the fabrication. If the justice system were just, if there wasn't a systemic bias against men, false accusers would face jail time.


Damn, you mean they actually let you fight the case against her? In my case it immediately removed her as a victim the moment she filed the report but they used this one police report as sole evidence that I'm a menace. My lawyer and I were pissed at the state prosecutor when we built our initial case and gave evidence to the judge that demonstrated this being completely false. Myspace status updates, emails and text messages. The prosecutor said that this information wasn't valid because she isn't part of the case and I'm taking on the state as a matter of health and well being for the citizens. WTF? We felt like we were talking to a wall. I'd like to take her to court but I know that it will just be more money out of pocket and she will never pay for damages. Not to mention there is a BS no contact order for life that she will likely haunt me with again. One wrong step and I could end up talking to her. What does this mean if I accidentally talk to her? Back to jail... (because there is nothing in it that says she can't contact me)
 
2012-08-15 01:37:30 PM  
Couldn't this issue be easily solved by assigning seats before the boarding passes are printed? If a kiddo gets a window seat flag the middle seat as woman only. When a male goes to select a seat on the intertubes it could be shaded out as unavailable but be still available to a woman.
 
2012-08-15 01:42:52 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Couldn't this issue be easily solved by assigning seats before the boarding passes are printed? If a kiddo gets a window seat flag the middle seat as woman only. When a male goes to select a seat on the intertubes it could be shaded out as unavailable but be still available to a woman.


I'd like to sit in the "whites only" section please.

/bigotry is bigotry... even when it occurs behind the scenes...
 
2012-08-15 01:54:56 PM  

Inflatable Rhetoric: I sat next to a girl age 10 to 13 from Houston to Seattle.

We played some kid's card game. No problem until baggage claim, when she spoke to me and her mother saw it. She called security, ranted awhile. I left.


It's because you kept winning the card games and the girl told her mother "that man kept beating me!"
 
hej [TotalFark]
2012-08-15 02:10:02 PM  

Ebbelwoi: Half the country boycotts some chicken joint cause the founder gives a teensy part of the profits to anti-gay Baptists but straight-forward, in your face anti-male bigotry and no one is boycotting anything?


Which country is "the country"?
 
2012-08-15 02:15:47 PM  
Well this looks appropriate for a CSB...

[csb] I was in a Walmart going over the LEGOs and getting ready to head for the back exit when I heard a kid crying the next aisle over so I grabbed the set I wanted and went an aisle over. I found a little girl crying that she couldn't find her parents so I asked her to come with me to the security guys so we could find her folks. I stay out of people's affairs normally, but you're a cold hearted motherfarker if you can just keep walking around the store seeing a seven or eight year old girl crying and asking everyone who passes by if they've seen her folks(quite a few people just ignored her). On the way there she grabbed my hand and just outside of the security area I got cold cocked in the temple by a dude who was about a hundred pounds heavier than me from behind, he yelled something along the lines of "You goddamn pervert!" right before I got hit. Shook my head up pretty good and knocked me off my feet, effectively preventing me from fighting back, and I took a couple hits on the ground before the girl yelled "Daddy, he was just taking me to find you! Stop hurting him!" He actually was rather apologetic about the whole thing, and bought the stupid LEGO set I'd been carrying for me which freed up a few bucks to buy some beer and weed on the way home. He sheepishly approached me in the parking lot and gave me a six pack of Blue Moon too, but the way he was talking I think he was more concerned I'd call the police than anything, the mom and girl both gave me a big hug, it was a weird situation.

I laughed it off, I've taken much worse beatings without needing to get the cops involved and I certainly understood why I'd gotten hit even if the guy was off-base. I usually just get my head pounded in because my mouth runs faster than my brain when I've been drinking, I wasn't exactly holding a grudge against the guy(we're both lucky he hit me where he did, since I'm one hell of a boxer when I'm on my feet and my hands run faster than my brain after a sucker punch. That would have been a whole different mess to deal with) although I told him he might want to yell BEFORE hitting someone in the future.

For what it's worth I doubt I fit the profile of "child rapist" portrayed in the media, I'm an early 20's guy with a mowhawk(usually slicked back and naturally colored, not a big ass blue punker liberty spike affair or anything, unless I'm feeling like spiking it it's usually more akin to a narrow undercut than what most people would think of as a mowhawk) and rather a lot of ear piercings.[/csb]

It's gotten to the point this is a panic though, I generally could give two shiats what people think of me but adult males HAVE to be careful around children. When actually liking kids immediately puts you in most people's "possible kiddie fiddler" file, there's likely something wrong with the society. I seem to recall liking and being good with kids as being some sort of positive trait in the past. I've had the cops called on me taking my friend's kids to the park when I was living with them, my "suspicious behavior" was just the fact that I was playing with them instead of sitting on a park bench reading a novel like the lady who called the cops on me. It took all of a minute for the cops to realize I'm the kids' godfather(legally too, my friends had better live forever so I never have to own up to that obligation) and was living with their folks about two blocks away, but since I didn't have an ID it turned into a half hour pain in the ass and a horrible afternoon for the kids while we sat around waiting for the father to come pick us up and confirm it was okay for me to be out with the kids. His response was... more colorful than my quietly answering their questions.

Maybe I'm just biatchy because I got woken up early this morning, but it seems to me there's something deeply wrong with our society in this area. Witch hunts are not the proper way to handle something like this, even if it has scored me free beer and LEGOs in the past.
 
2012-08-15 02:20:57 PM  

Oblio13: FirstNationalBastard:

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York ...

My ex claimed that I pointed a gun at her face. When she got on the witness stand my lawyer asked, "What color was it?" She "couldn't remember". "There was a gun pointed at your face and you don't know what color it was?" She broke down and the charges were dropped. That part of the trial is a fond memory. The sleepless nights and the checks I wrote are not. And to this day I get people around town pointing and whispering from time to time. But the most depressing part is that there were no repercussions for the fabrication. If the justice system were just, if there wasn't a systemic bias against men, false accusers would face jail time.


Good luck, my ex

SundaesChild: snow9999: There was a story a year or two ago about how a little boy drowned in a pond. A guy came forward and said he had seen the child wandering the street, but because we was worried about being branded a molester if he had tried to help the child, he just kept driving. This crap is why that child died, instead of being taken to the police and reunited with his family.

If that is true, he is at best an ass and at worst criminally negligent. At the very least he should have flagged down a cop or called 911 but no, he had to go all "men's rights" instead of doing his civic duty toward another human being.


You've never been or had a relative falsely accused of child abuse have you? I'll leave it at that other than say blame society not him.

/avoids kids like the plague after a false accusation of a family member a while back.
 
2012-08-15 02:30:55 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: And that's why it's easiest not to deal with children, or even women.
No one ever doubts what they say. It can be the most outlandish, baseless, unprovable lie, but because it was said by a woman or child, it's the absolute truth.


Liar.
 
2012-08-15 02:33:11 PM  

cryinoutloud: FirstNationalBastard: And that's why it's easiest not to deal with children, or even women.
No one ever doubts what they say. It can be the most outlandish, baseless, unprovable lie, but because it was said by a woman or child, it's the absolute truth.

Liar.


Saying I'm a liar is a lie, but no one will question it because you're a woman.

/Hi, R-Flash!
 
2012-08-15 02:35:22 PM  

jaytkay: WhippingBoy: Try bringing this up with a third-wave, feminist bigot some time. In most cases you'll get one (or both) of the following responses:
1. TPHMT ("The Patriarchy Hurts Men Too")
2. "On noes, what about the menz???" (Ultra-condescending way to say "because you're a man, your problems and concerns don't matter")

I'm sure you run into women like that every day

/ On your AM radio
// In your basement
/// Among the empty cheetoh bags


People like you, i.e., part of the problem, have clearly never had a run-in with the anti-male white knights of the system. Once you do, you will join us. And there are more of us every day.
/Uncle Tom
 
2012-08-15 02:43:20 PM  
My girlfriend and I went out to a restaurant last night, and some of the other diners started calling me a "pedo" and a "cradle snatcher," all because I'm a 52-year-old man with a 21-year-old girlfriend. It totally ruined our 10th anniversary.
 
2012-08-15 02:48:01 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: Couldn't this issue be easily solved by assigning seats before the boarding passes are printed? If a kiddo gets a window seat flag the middle seat as woman only. When a male goes to select a seat on the intertubes it could be shaded out as unavailable but be still available to a woman.


Yes.... that will solve the.... misandry problem...
 
2012-08-15 03:08:36 PM  

Death_Poot: Oblio13: FirstNationalBastard:

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York ...

My ex claimed that I pointed a gun at her face. When she got on the witness stand my lawyer asked, "What color was it?" She "couldn't remember". "There was a gun pointed at your face and you don't know what color it was?" She broke down and the charges were dropped. That part of the trial is a fond memory. The sleepless nights and the checks I wrote are not. And to this day I get people around town pointing and whispering from time to time. But the most depressing part is that there were no repercussions for the fabrication. If the justice system were just, if there wasn't a systemic bias against men, false accusers would face jail time.

Good luck, my ex SundaesChild: snow9999: There was a story a year or two ago about how a little boy drowned in a pond. A guy came forward and said he had seen the child wandering the street, but because we was worried about being branded a molester if he had tried to help the child, he just kept driving. This crap is why that child died, instead of being taken to the police and reunited with his family.

If that is true, he is at best an ass and at worst criminally negligent. At the very least he should have flagged down a cop or called 911 but no, he had to go all "men's rights" instead of doing his civic duty toward another human being.

You've never been or had a relative falsely accused of child abuse have you? I'll leave it at that other than say blame society not him.

/avoids kids like the plague after a false accusation of a family member a while back.


Actually that is the reason that my ex-husband got out of teaching - He was never accused of anything but he was made to feel uncomfortable. Still, if he saw an unattended small child he would have tried to do something instead of just letting the kid drown or get hit by a car or whatever.
 
2012-08-15 03:14:45 PM  

SundaesChild: Actually that is the reason that my ex-husband got out of teaching - He was never accused of anything but he was made to feel uncomfortable. Still, if he saw an unattended small child he would have tried to do something instead of just letting the kid drown or get hit by a car or whatever.


Still, sad as it is, you have to look at it this way...

If someone comes in on the end of a man saving a puppy from the middle of the road, running away and carrying the puppy in his arms, what are they going to think? "wow, that guy must have saved that puppy from being run over."

However, If someone comes in on the end of a man saving a child from the middle of the road, seemingly running away and carrying the child in his arms, what are they going to think? "ZOMG PEDO CALL THE POLICE BEAT HIM WITH A STICK PEDOFILE!!!1111!!2"

It's just the way it is. And does anyone need that hassle? No, it's not the right thing to do, but it's the smart thing to do if you want to continue to have a life.
 
2012-08-15 04:05:29 PM  

balisane: Vertdang: Pribar: darkmayo: I had a flight when I was around 30 and there was an unaccompanied child next to me, kid was about 10 or 11 I think.

Normally I just pop in the ear buds and watch the TV or play DS but this kid was practising card tricks and he was doing sleight of hand tricks. It was totally awesome, as the kid was pretty good.

/CSB

(threadjack)
when I was on the old Iwo Jima there was this navy bosun who would walk up while we were playing cards, ask if it was a full deck and if we would say yes he would hand one of us a sealed envelope and have that person shuffle and cut the deck and flip the cut up to show the bottom card, then he would have that person open the envelope and in it would be a piece of paper with the fricken card he had just cut to written on it, he did this every few days choosing different people and decks each time and was never wrong, I have not met anyone till this day who can tell me how the SoB did it
(/threadjack)

Carbon paper in the envelope, used the fingernail to write on the paper after the card was shown.
/what else you got? :)

The story states that the sealed envelope was handed over before the deck was shuffled or card was shown. Assuming the sequence of events is correct, that would require an accomplice in each group.

/kind of puzzled over this one myself


I can do this trick. I'm not going to tell you how, but I can do it easily, if I'm the one shuffling the deck.
 
2012-08-15 04:15:05 PM  

ladyfortuna: When I was 15 I flew to and from Nevada by myself for a Girl Scout trip; I don't recall any special seating arrangements for any of the legs (and there were several, each way). My mom also didn't give me any 'special' safety instructions other than the usual.


Things were different in 1945.
 
2012-08-15 04:41:55 PM  
Or the kid could just put out.

/Yes, of course I'm joking

Two things I stay far away from: other people's money, and other people's yard apes.
 
2012-08-15 06:19:48 PM  

WhippingBoy: /bigotry is bigotry... even when it occurs behind the scenes...


"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

I think I could make a pretty good argument that switching seats is less "intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions" than nursing a massive butthurt and victimhood complex out of proportion to reality, as evidenced to your comparing it to race segregated transportation.

Still don't think it's really necessary. Has there been a single instance of a kid being molested on a plane?
 
2012-08-15 07:43:51 PM  

LiberalEastCoastElitist: WhippingBoy: /bigotry is bigotry... even when it occurs behind the scenes...

"a person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance"

I think I could make a pretty good argument that switching seats is less "intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions" than nursing a massive butthurt and victimhood complex out of proportion to reality, as evidenced to your comparing it to race segregated transportation.

Still don't think it's really necessary. Has there been a single instance of a kid being molested on a plane?


Sure, blame the victim.
 
2012-08-15 09:40:52 PM  

Tenatra: tankjr: I'm ok with this. All men are presumed to be rapists and pedophiles until proven otherwise. The only way to prove you're not a rapist or a pedophile is to die without having raped anyone. Until then, you're a rapist and a pedophile.

Even then you aren't safe. There is a radio dj here that will occasionally talk about being sexually abused as a child now that her uncle (the pedo) is dead. Only she can tell you if it is true though. I can imagine seeing people start to prey on obituaries looking for prominent individuals within their local communities and come forward after the death of the 'assailant' by cooking up a story and trying to claim grievance money. Especially since the target wouldn't be able to defend himself.

It was hard enough defending myself with a lawyer after I was arrested on a warrant for allegedly choking my ex. The first 2 judges (males) that oversaw my case along with the DA and state prosecutor gave me no wiggle room to get out of it. They saw her words in the report and trusted them completely (including the inconsistencies). I was looking at either spending $20k just to start the trial process or slammed with a felony conviction if I went the guilty or no contest route. The 3rd judge (a female) lambasted all of them in the courtroom when she started asking questions that none of them could answer. She then demanded that the state prosecutor get this girl on the phone. A call was placed for the whole room to hear, "This number has been disconnected" No shiat dumbasses I tried telling all of you in the beginning that this whole rouse was filed with a phone she could toss a day before she fled to New York...

Charges dropped on the spot = :)
But by that time, 2 years later, my life had been royally farked (her goal in the first place). People at work thought I was farked up in the head, eventually got kicked out of the military, car repossessed, and I was homeless all because no one validated her accusations. = :(


Wow, dude. I am sorry for your predicament. I am going through a similar experience in Family Court in NY. I was served with an Order of Protection filed by my mother and crackhead/alcoholic sister on June 1, at 3:30pm on a Friday. It was filed ex parte, and I was given no warning. I had 5 minutes to pack a bag and leave in the rain. I was not allowed to wait around for the school bus to drop off my son to try to explain things to him. I waited 10 days just to hear from him since I was not allowed to call him at my mom's house.
My son and I were living with her temporarily after we moved back from SC. We argued a lot b/c she kept trying to undermine my parenting, nosed around my stuff, listened in on my phone calls, followed me around in her car when I went for walks, or to meet up with friends, etc.
I got so fed up, that I threw a Wii remote across the living room in a moment of weakness. That's all she needed to get the emergency OOP--a month afterwards. It was such an emergency, that she waited three weeks to go to the courthouse.
Three hearings, and I have not yet had a chance to say a single word to defend myself, or argue the merits of the OOP.
Since Jun 1, I have only been able to see my son twice and the judge gave her temporary sole custody of my son.
I was homeless for about three weeks, staying on a friend's couch, then squatting in an abandoned property that was in a flooded out neighborhood.
All it takes is an inflammatory accusation...
 
2012-08-16 01:06:34 AM  

derekdoubleut: Three hearings, and I have not yet had a chance to say a single word to defend myself, or argue the merits of the OOP.


That's how it was for the most part, we were just going through the motions at every hearing. I weighed the options and chose to go the route of no contest and take the court appointed DV course for a partially reduced sentence and play the waiting game in hopes that I'd get a judge the knew how to spot fallacies. The DV program was a 3 phase program and I was stuck in an endless loop on phase 1. Unless you have a decent amount of money on hand then watch out about taking a DV course as part of a deal. Here is how the one I went to worked at $40 a session (eventually increased the rates to $50/session)

Miss 1 session and you go back 2 weeks in training. ($80 at when you come back)
Don't keep your payments in good standing within a week and you aren't allowed to be there.
Miss 2 sessions in a row and they will send you back to jail. (which could be especially hard since at that point you are paying 4 session at once)
Don't admit to committing the accused crime? Fark you, you go back halfway in phase 1 until you are willing to admit it at the next 1-1 counseling session.

I had some money at the time from still being in the military and I played Russian roulette with this rule set. My agreement was very strict to complete this DV course and if it wasn't completed then they instated the full charge. At the 1-1 session I wasn't going to have a recorded confession of something that didn't happen, they couldn't understand this since I pleaded no contest. They acted like if I was truly innocent then throwing $30k+ easily down the drain was no big deal. The 3rd judge talked to me like I was actually a human being and not a docket entry and she wanted an investigation in to the DV program because she had a feeling that there were many people falling through the cracks but never had a voice. Hopefully there was an audit or I gave future attendees a better chance at surviving through it at the one I attended.

When I became homeless a good friend took me in since she likened me to her brother and her kids loved me. She was going through a custody battle with her ex and that is a whole different can of worms. They shared split custody and when the kids came to stay my friend had to always keep her camera nearby. If the children ended up hurting themselves she had to document everything including the cuts, scrapes, bruises associated with being a normal child. She had to document what was happening and take pictures of what they ran in to/fell on. It was like a freaking crime scene investigation. On top of that I had to write my own letters to sign off as a witness to the events which helped her if he took her to court over the minor injuries. (and he did take her to court a few times over these). Since she was single and in the military she couldn't claim sole custody but she recently got married and finally sealed the custody battle that was going on for 4 years (ages 7 and 5 now). Poor kids, they spend their youth in the courtrooms while their guardians fight for custody and outside of the courtroom they can't live a normal childhood for fear that the other guardian screams abuse.
 
2012-08-16 01:09:00 AM  
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The worst kind.

My CSB:
Last week I went to Subway for lunch (it's the only 'decent' (non fried fast food) food within time constraint and bicycle riding distance of work) and I saw a familiar vehicle in the parking lot. Yep, as soon as I walked in, I see my 16yo (17?) nephew in there. So I walk over and he is with his younger brother, 8yo. I talked to them for a few minutes and then when I turned around to order my food, all the other customers looked aghast. They all looked like I walked in there wearing a baby cod piece and carrying a nun's severed head. I scowled back at them as best as I could and then proceeded to sit and eat with my nephews. We talked, we laughed. A good time was had by all. I was sure I was going to get spoken to or the cops were going to 'conveniently' show up.

/39yo male
 
2012-08-17 05:58:44 AM  

HAMMERTOE: And no, they can not be "held liable for filing a false report" simply because all they have to say is, "It looked like child abuse to me."


That isn't a falsifiable statement, so no, they probably can't be held strictly liable unless you can prove it was knowingly false. But it's also not a very strong report, particularly if the reporter has a history of this sort of thing, and would likely only be investigated cursorily.

I also don't see how that's different than anyone else who makes any other complaint to the police; if you made a report of a suspected break-in or domestic abuse or any other crime the police would investigate that too -- that's the expected action after a report is filed.

And in any case it's unrelated to mandatory reporting requirements, as those requirements neither encourage nor discourage abuse of the legal system, nor provide any additional protections for abusers.
 
2012-08-17 11:13:25 AM  

profplump: But it's also not a very strong report, particularly if the reporter has a history of this sort of thing, and would likely only be investigated cursorily.


That's the rub. With Anonymous Reporting, absolutely no weight at all is given to any "reputation" the reporting party might have. All the person has to do is report it to a different "official" and the system will go into a frenzy each and every time
 
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