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2012-08-14 06:26:58 PM
Sandusky was the stupid supplier end of a pedo ring. The rich customers provide the private jets.
 
2012-08-14 06:29:58 PM
I really hope this isn't true.
 
2012-08-14 06:50:08 PM
There was no way, considering how loud the Penn State supporters have been about this entire fiasco, that Sandusky was the only one involved.

No way.
 
2012-08-14 07:09:16 PM

Weaver95: I really hope this isn't true.


I hope someone finds out if this is true.
 
2012-08-14 07:20:16 PM
Jesus H. Christ, this keeps getting nastier. However, I'll refrain until some actual evidence is produced. Well, I'll try.
 
2012-08-14 07:21:53 PM
If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.
 
2012-08-14 07:35:32 PM

TheDumbBlonde: Jesus H. Christ, this keeps getting nastier. However, I'll refrain until some actual evidence is produced. Well, I'll try.


if this turns out to be true...the state could still level sanctions against the school. if they were corrupt enough to let this happen...
 
2012-08-14 07:46:46 PM

Weaver95: TheDumbBlonde: Jesus H. Christ, this keeps getting nastier. However, I'll refrain until some actual evidence is produced. Well, I'll try.

if this turns out to be true...the state could still level sanctions against the school. if they were corrupt enough to let this happen...


We may not only be looking at the death penalty for the football team (remember the NCAA reserved the right to revisit the sanctions pending evidence of additional wrongdoing), but serious sanctions against the university as a whole.
I too will remain nonjudgmental on this unless there is some corroboration.
 
2012-08-14 08:29:12 PM
I heard this when the Sandusky story first broke. I hope it is not true, but...
 
2012-08-14 08:46:59 PM
Right now I bet some very powerful people (church, law enforcement, 1% ers) are scrambling to cover their tracks, and making pay-offs.

The sad part is, they'll probably get away with it.
 
2012-08-14 08:49:45 PM
You have a missing reporter, a giant institution, and a pedophile.

There will be more pedophiles.

You gain power into and within the new world order by doing evil things in front of people.

Everyone knows that.
 
2012-08-14 08:52:50 PM
If you take a look at how well Graham Spanier was taken care of with his super-secret new cushy job, you get an idea of how wealthy and powerful some of the interests here may be and what investigators are up against.
 
2012-08-14 08:54:15 PM
Just when I thought this story couldn't get more vomit-inducing......ugh. Just line these assholes up against the wall and take 'em out, St. Valentine's Day Massacre style. Their continued existence benefits no one. Get as much info out of them as you can first; names, dates, places, monetary amounts, whatever. THEN take them out.
 
2012-08-14 08:57:42 PM
Tip of the iceberg.

/just the tip
 
2012-08-14 09:19:48 PM

Godscrack: Right now I bet some very powerful people (church, law enforcement, 1% ers) are scrambling to cover their tracks, and making pay-offs.


i.imgur.com
Like a certain Penn State Booster?
 
2012-08-14 09:24:02 PM
You know, the next step here is if the story about sharing child porn is true, the next step is that they were producing it.
 
2012-08-14 09:33:18 PM

2xhelix: Like a certain Penn State Booster


I got a booster for him
 
2012-08-14 10:07:27 PM
I knew this story would have a 'happy ending'.

8-|
 
2012-08-14 10:24:29 PM

miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.


This^
 
2012-08-14 10:29:39 PM
I think it will eventually come out that Ray Gricar was murdered after he uncovered this.
 
2012-08-14 10:30:07 PM
Cynics have been saying since this story broke that there was no way this stopped with Sandusky and Spanier, and that Paterno had to know more. Now Joe's gone. But in an isolated little community where everyone knows everything (like the one I grew up in) it is absolutely inconceivable that only a handful of people were involved. Sandusky having dirt on Joe or Joe laundering money through 2nd Mile, or the alleged pedo recruiting ring, all seem very likely to have some kernels of truth to them.

Which is why some of us were disappointed that the NCAA didn't hand down the death penalty, and we remain disappointed there's been no more criminal prosecutions.

Discovery during the civil trials for the victims is probably the only way any of the woodpiles out there in rural penn. are going to get overturned to find out what pedos or criminals are hiding.
 
2012-08-14 10:31:20 PM

borg: I think it will eventually come out that Ray Gricar was murdered after he uncovered this.


Yup. Guy investigates, guy turns up dead, laptop's missing hard drive.

Pretty god damn obvious.
 
2012-08-14 10:38:15 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

This^


Just my $.02, but I thought the whole thing had derailed and thrown crew/cargo across the landscape a long time ago.
 
2012-08-14 10:43:22 PM
And yet the people in State College, my relatives included, still complain that it's blown way out of proportion.
 
2012-08-14 10:50:22 PM
Death penalty for football?

Burn the place down.
 
2012-08-14 10:52:07 PM

gameshowhost: MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

This^

Just my $.02, but I thought the whole thing had derailed and thrown crew/cargo across the landscape a long time ago.


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-14 10:53:18 PM

rynthetyn: And yet the people in State College, my relatives included, still complain that it's blown way out of proportion.


Yeah, well, thats kind of why some of us following this were saying Penn State's culture is rotten to the core and needed the death penalty.

Sanctioned child rape on campus using campus facilities with full knowledge of the President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach .. for 15 years .. it takes an amazing amount of mental gymnastics to twist this into something that is acceptable.

The myths that Paterno cultivated about himself and his program had a lot of people snowed, but it is pretty damn obvious they were just a bunch of frauds.

Spare us the "all the good JoePa did" or his phony inflated graduation rates. The man was a huckster and a fraud, gamed the system and condoned child rape for 15 years (at least, that we know of).

Thats not "blown out of proportion," that is "what ridiculous delusional hicks are there out there that still support this guy?"

We already know the answer. You Are.
 
2012-08-14 10:58:16 PM

hammettman: Death penalty for football?

Burn the place down.


The NCAA already took a swing at that one and missed. Though the sanctions they did impose are pretty harsh, and the vacating Joe's wins for 15 years has a certain justice to it ... the fact that Penn State's culture is still free to claim innocence in light of all that has (and will continue to) come to light is what some of us have been most disturbed by.

Penn State should have voluntarily put themselves on the death penalty for at least a year, to reassess their priorities and come clean, to really get its own house in order. Instead, they've circled the wagons and demanded that the world apologize. Its remarkable.
 
2012-08-14 11:08:36 PM

Generation_D: The NCAA already took a swing at that one and missed. Though the sanctions they did impose are pretty harsh, and the vacating Joe's wins for 15 years has a certain justice to it ... the fact that Penn State's culture is still free to claim innocence in light of all that has (and will continue to) come to light is what some of us have been most disturbed by.


If I found out that my school had been covering up decades of molestation by a football coach, I'd be the first person out there demanding all involved resign and that there be an investigation into how the university culture would let that happen. That an entire community willingly keeps their head buried in the sand is inexcusable.
 
2012-08-14 11:21:22 PM

Generation_D: hammettman: Death penalty for football?

Burn the place down.

The NCAA already took a swing at that one and missed. Though the sanctions they did impose are pretty harsh, and the vacating Joe's wins for 15 years has a certain justice to it ... the fact that Penn State's culture is still free to claim innocence in light of all that has (and will continue to) come to light is what some of us have been most disturbed by.

Penn State should have voluntarily put themselves on the death penalty for at least a year, to reassess their priorities and come clean, to really get its own house in order. Instead, they've circled the wagons and demanded that the world apologize. Its remarkable.


Are you saying they're not the anus?
 
2012-08-14 11:33:35 PM
On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.
 
2012-08-14 11:41:53 PM

cman: On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.


synagogues are Jewish

/synagogs I think are related to synamagogs
 
2012-08-14 11:41:59 PM
Geez, it's like they were trying to give the Catholic Church a run for their money.
 
2012-08-14 11:42:50 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: cman: On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.

synagogues are Jewish

/synagogs I think are related to synamagogs


I think it is an established fact by now that I cannot spell for shiat
 
2012-08-14 11:44:43 PM

cman: MaudlinMutantMollusk: cman: On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.

synagogues are Jewish

/synagogs I think are related to synamagogs

I think it is an established fact by now that I cannot spell for shiat


It's also pretty well established that I'm a compulsive smartass

/Cheers, my Friend
 
2012-08-14 11:46:04 PM

cman: Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.


Yeah - CBS News is wearing tinfoil.
 
2012-08-14 11:54:15 PM

Triumph: cman: Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

Yeah - CBS News is wearing tinfoil.


You missed my point.
 
2012-08-14 11:58:07 PM

fusillade762: Geez, it's like they were trying to give the Catholic Church a run for their money.


Lot of similarities.
 
2012-08-14 11:59:49 PM
i.huffpost.com

static.guim.co.uk

Snakes on a Plane.
 
2012-08-15 12:04:14 AM

cman: You missed my point.


As to what this has to do with 9/11, I sure did.
 
2012-08-15 12:06:02 AM
Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.
 
2012-08-15 12:08:42 AM

valar_morghulis: [i.huffpost.com image 260x190]

[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]

Snakes on a Plane.


Hey, little boys....

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 12:09:56 AM
What the odds on Sandusky being suicided in the next couple of weeks?

/kinda surprised he hasn't yet
 
2012-08-15 12:13:08 AM
List of donors, supporters of the "club" is where this goes now. pres. canduhdates included.
 
2012-08-15 12:19:34 AM

cman: On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.


You are better than this.
 
2012-08-15 12:20:00 AM
This is far from uncovering everything that was going on at Penn State. Mark my words, this scandal is going to be far more widespread and horrendous than anybody imagined. It will involve more people and the people already known to be involved will be revealed to be into more directly involved in these activities.
 
2012-08-15 12:23:45 AM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.


It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.
 
2012-08-15 12:25:09 AM

LesserEvil: This is far from uncovering everything that was going on at Penn State. Mark my words, this scandal is going to be far more widespread and horrendous than anybody imagined. It will involve more people and the people already known to be involved will be revealed to be into more directly involved in these activities.


We'll be lucky to live through it.
 
2012-08-15 12:33:48 AM

Generation_D: Penn State should have voluntarily put themselves on the death penalty for at least a year four years


ftfy, and now we know why JoePa was such a successful fundraiser.
 
2012-08-15 12:37:00 AM

rider_you_know: Generation_D: Penn State should have voluntarily put themselves on the death penalty for at least a year four years

ftfy, and now we know why JoePa was such a successful fundraiser.


He was an evil bastard and looking worse by the minute. His death was quite timely wasn't it?
Sandusky is a fall guy in this whole scenario. He isn't bright enough to network like this. He should start spilling the beans.
 
2012-08-15 12:38:24 AM
Has anyone posted this yet?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7725966698433381712

Conspiracy of Silence, unaired doc about child prostitution at "Boys town" with the help of many.
 
2012-08-15 12:39:07 AM
Why is this coming out now and not during the investigation when law enforcement was crawling through the lives of everyone involved? I just don 't believe it.
 
2012-08-15 12:42:22 AM

AbbeySomeone: He isn't bright enough to network like this. He should start spilling the beans.


1)As you say, he's not smart enough to know how
2)He knows he'd be dead before the second word left his mouth
 
2012-08-15 12:43:17 AM
Ugh. I'm sorry I read this thread. A murdered DA. A cushy government job as a payoff for the university president at the top of the cover up. A huge preretirement bonus for Joe Pa right before the shiat hit the fan. This rabbit hole is pretty deep.
 
2012-08-15 12:47:29 AM

You_Really_Like_Me: Why is this coming out now and not during the investigation when law enforcement was crawling through the lives of everyone involved? I just don 't believe it.


The State of Penssylvania had its bite at the apple (and it should be noted didn't appear to offer a plea deal to Sandusky to rat people out, though I guess that can always happen). These new investigations are federal. USPS investigators, for instance, are involved because the mail may have been used to send child porn.
 
2012-08-15 12:49:51 AM
How the hell is this coming to light?

The first rule of Mile High Club is you don't talk about Mile High Club.
 
2012-08-15 12:51:21 AM

elguerodiablo: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.


You mean like as if Sandusky was abused by an assistant coach when he was a player at Penn State?

I wonder who was an assistant coach during Sandusky's college football playing career,,,
 
2012-08-15 12:58:41 AM

rynthetyn: Generation_D: The NCAA already took a swing at that one and missed. Though the sanctions they did impose are pretty harsh, and the vacating Joe's wins for 15 years has a certain justice to it ... the fact that Penn State's culture is still free to claim innocence in light of all that has (and will continue to) come to light is what some of us have been most disturbed by.

If I found out that my school had been covering up decades of molestation by a football coach, I'd be the first person out there demanding all involved resign and that there be an investigation into how the university culture would let that happen. That an entire community willingly keeps their head buried in the sand is inexcusable.


maybe the same mindset kept Catholics from burning churches and killing priests while those molestations and cover-ups came to light. maybe some people can accept just so much and then they go into denial. some sort of built-in protective wall to keep their beloved institutions from crumbling around them. i don't know, i'm not a psychiatrist. i agree, keeping heads buried in the sand is inexcusable. i just wonder what the drive, what the impetus is that lets people live a lie. maybe the truth is just too ugly for them to face.
 
2012-08-15 01:00:25 AM
elguerodiablo

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.

Wiki quote: "[Sandusky's] father Arthur served in the field of youth service programs for over 30 years, mostly as director of the Brownson House in Washington, Pennsylvania, a community recreation center for children. There, he founded the Pennsylvania Junior Wrestling program and created junior basketball, volleyball, boxing and football programs for the Brownson House. He improved the facilities there by adding a new playground, gym, outdoor basketball court, and a renovated football field. He managed the 1955 Washington baseball team that won the Pony League World Series championship, the only team from Washington to win that championship. Arthur was inducted into the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame in 1989."

I find it interesting that Jerry's Dad also had a thing for "working with boys in a sports environment"
 
2012-08-15 01:01:01 AM
I can't wait for the Penn State defenders to show up. Amiright?
 
2012-08-15 01:02:00 AM
Roy Gricar's body was never found, so it hasn't been conclusively proven that he is dead. Or if he is dead, whether it was suicide or homicide.

Gricar's 2005 disappearance only one of many mysteries in PSU scandal (pops)

\just sayin'
 
2012-08-15 01:02:23 AM
Check the most recent thread on PSU in the sports tab. People genuinely think PSU is being persecuted at this point; not even child rape matters anymore, the too big to fail institutions need to keep on going
 
2012-08-15 01:03:19 AM

elguerodiablo: Ugh. I'm sorry I read this thread. A murdered DA. A cushy government job as a payoff for the university president at the top of the cover up. A huge preretirement bonus for Joe Pa right before the shiat hit the fan. This rabbit hole is pretty deep.


You want a deep rabbit hole? Sandusky's charity, the Second Mile, shut down its internal investigation, ceased operations and transferred its $2.6 million in remaining assets to Houston-based Arrow Child and Family Ministries. Check out the people who run that outfit and then read up on the Franklin Scandal from the 80s.
 
2012-08-15 01:05:46 AM
And the hits just keep on coming!
 
2012-08-15 01:09:28 AM

Triumph: elguerodiablo: Ugh. I'm sorry I read this thread. A murdered DA. A cushy government job as a payoff for the university president at the top of the cover up. A huge preretirement bonus for Joe Pa right before the shiat hit the fan. This rabbit hole is pretty deep.

You want a deep rabbit hole? Sandusky's charity, the Second Mile, shut down its internal investigation, ceased operations and transferred its $2.6 million in remaining assets to Houston-based Arrow Child and Family Ministries. Check out the people who run that outfit and then read up on the Franklin Scandal from the 80s.


They're hiring.
 
2012-08-15 01:13:26 AM

Generation_D: rynthetyn: And yet the people in State College, my relatives included, still complain that it's blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, well, thats kind of why some of us following this were saying Penn State's culture is rotten to the core and needed the death penalty.

Sanctioned child rape on campus using campus facilities with full knowledge of the President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach .. for 15 years .. it takes an amazing amount of mental gymnastics to twist this into something that is acceptable.

The myths that Paterno cultivated about himself and his program had a lot of people snowed, but it is pretty damn obvious they were just a bunch of frauds.

Spare us the "all the good JoePa did" or his phony inflated graduation rates. The man was a huckster and a fraud, gamed the system and condoned child rape for 15 years (at least, that we know of).

Thats not "blown out of proportion," that is "what ridiculous delusional hicks are there out there that still support this guy?"

We already know the answer. You Are.


I was born and raised going to football games at my eventual alma mater... and this reaction still baffles me, and my Dad for that matter. If something similar came up there's no way i would cry "out of proportion!" About effing CHILD RAPE.

I thought at first it was just a few over zealous fans going crazy in denial... but now I'm just saddened.
 
2012-08-15 01:15:52 AM

Triumph: elguerodiablo: Ugh. I'm sorry I read this thread. A murdered DA. A cushy government job as a payoff for the university president at the top of the cover up. A huge preretirement bonus for Joe Pa right before the shiat hit the fan. This rabbit hole is pretty deep.

You want a deep rabbit hole? Sandusky's charity, the Second Mile, shut down its internal investigation, ceased operations and transferred its $2.6 million in remaining assets to Houston-based Arrow Child and Family Ministries. Check out the people who run that outfit and then read up on the Franklin Scandal from the 80s.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7725966698433381712

The unaired documentary on that horror can be found here.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:02 AM

KrispyKritter: maybe the same mindset kept Catholics from burning churches and killing priests while those molestations and cover-ups came to light. maybe some people can accept just so much and then they go into denial. some sort of built-in protective wall to keep their beloved institutions from crumbling around them


The rape of children through the Church did happen, and it's something that's been discussed both as part of Mass & outside the Church. It hasn't gone away, and the story shouldn't. There's a lot wrong with the Church.

I don't think you'll see a lot of woowoos talking about the great record of Pope John Paul II, nor Cardinal Palpatine.

Yes, there are woowoos and cultists, but Catholicism isn't exactly steeped in Fundamentalism these days. You might disagree based on abortion or condoms being the panacea for all that is AIDS in Africa, but it's a more moderate sect of Christianity (albeit with severe issues).

Yes, the rape and cover up is comparable to Penn State on the one hand, but the mass denial by Catholics (meaning Catholic lay folk, not the clergy)? I'm not sure where you've read that one, exactly, but I don't quite see the similarity there with Penn State's issues.

This is not the anti-Reformation & the Inquisition. Catholics are not just Joe Paterno. Do you say Joe Biden & Nancy Pelosi are child rapists who are in denial about Catholic clergy abusing children?
 
2012-08-15 01:19:46 AM

cman: On 9/11, the news media reported a fire at the American mall, a carbomb at the state department, a third plane coming into New York city, and probably many more.

In events like this that are emotionally taxing people tend to overreact and take the slightest suggestions as Bible

Sandusky being a leader of a pedo ring? Next thing we will hear is that Sandusky is a cross-dressing muslim who rapes boys in a Synagog.

/Yes, Synagogs are Jewish, Mosques are Islamic.


The thing is that we know that even actual victims were reluctant to come forward when the case broke open, so you have to expect that there are dozens of other victims (especially with such an unrepentent, serial predator). Those type of guys will definitely record their encounters and certainly will have participated in the exchange of pedo material. With the amount of molesting he was doing (both convicted and assumed) he certainly would have been a major contributor.

So yeah, while it is fine to assume innocence legally, it is realistic to expect that he followed classical pedo predator behavior and victimized many more and created and consumed child porn. It is not a wild accusation, it has good odds of what probably happened.
 
2012-08-15 01:20:22 AM

Egalitarian: Roy Gricar's body was never found, so it hasn't been conclusively proven that he is dead. Or if he is dead, whether it was suicide or homicide.

Gricar's 2005 disappearance only one of many mysteries in PSU scandal (pops)

\just sayin'


Either he's dead, never to be found under some construction site or the like, or he's part of the cover up and chilling on a tropical island.
 
2012-08-15 01:23:26 AM

borg: I think it will eventually come out that Ray Gricar was murdered after he uncovered this.


He may be dead. He may have faked his own death to run from people who want to kill him because he knew too much. He may have taken a huge payoff from those involved and is currently frolicking on a desert island somewhere. Probably easier to kill him.

I doubt any of it it will ever come out. It never does. There's always a whitewash. There's way too much money involved here for a full investigation and all the eyewitnesses besides the victims are probably too compromised to be credible. They are guilty as well.

I think there was an organized pedophilia ring being run out of Penn State, with access to kids from Second Mile and probably other "suppliers" being sold or bartered by those running the ring. I don't think Sandusky was bright enough to run this on his own.

The question now is how many of those kids didn't make it home from those flights? It would also be interesting to know how many people on the Booster's lists DIDN'T go to Penn State but just developed into a fan as an adult. That would be a big red flag.

Burn it down. Salt the earth. It's the only way to be sure.

/from orbit if you must
 
2012-08-15 01:26:44 AM

KrispyKritter: rynthetyn: Generation_D: The NCAA already took a swing at that one and missed. Though the sanctions they did impose are pretty harsh, and the vacating Joe's wins for 15 years has a certain justice to it ... the fact that Penn State's culture is still free to claim innocence in light of all that has (and will continue to) come to light is what some of us have been most disturbed by.

If I found out that my school had been covering up decades of molestation by a football coach, I'd be the first person out there demanding all involved resign and that there be an investigation into how the university culture would let that happen. That an entire community willingly keeps their head buried in the sand is inexcusable.

maybe the same mindset kept Catholics from burning churches and killing priests while those molestations and cover-ups came to light. maybe some people can accept just so much and then they go into denial. some sort of built-in protective wall to keep their beloved institutions from crumbling around them. i don't know, i'm not a psychiatrist. i agree, keeping heads buried in the sand is inexcusable. i just wonder what the drive, what the impetus is that lets people live a lie. maybe the truth is just too ugly for them to face.


I stopped going to church. My Mom still goes every week but donates directly to the poor box instead of putting her usual check into the collection plate. And our church - born and raised - had nothing come up as far as even allegations went.

I know there were jackasses who attacked the victims or put their fingers in their ears but most Catholics I know have just been trying to ensure the system that protected and/or relocated the pedos is reformed. Hell, we had a priest condemn that crap during Midnight Mass or Easter (two days I show up, plus Ash Wednesday sometimes).

I know there was still cognitive dissonance involved, but a) my Mom was born and raised Catholic, part of her identity and b) mpst people I've talked to like her don't blame the victims bit a system that has strayed too far and lost it's way as far as protecting the children goes... but that could be reformed for the better.

Slight but significant difference.

Side note, I did Catholic youth leadership in HS. Several hours a week. 90% of us "future of the church" kids are gone now. 5% are trying to work within the system. 5% suck.
 
2012-08-15 01:27:05 AM

You_Really_Like_Me: Why is this coming out now and not during the investigation when law enforcement was crawling through the lives of everyone involved? I just don 't believe it.


Bogus Arab saying: When the Camel finally falls to his knees, more knives come out.
 
2012-08-15 01:29:04 AM

Owangotang: Check the most recent thread on PSU in the sports tab. People genuinely think PSU is being persecuted at this point; not even child rape matters anymore, the too big to fail institutions need to keep on going


Or maybe they just don't feel that an entire institution of higher learning should be burnt to the ground for the actions of a few people. You obviously don't have a goddamn clue as to the good that a university the size of Penn State does, and I'm not even talking about educating students.
 
2012-08-15 01:34:25 AM

consider this:
Or maybe they just don't feel that an entire institution of higher learning should be burnt to the ground for the actions of a few people. You obviously don't have a goddamn clue as to the good that a university the size of Penn State does, and I'm not even talking about educating students.


So how much organized child rape can we expect while all the good is happening? A lot? How many kids are we talking? Just ballpark it for me.
 
2012-08-15 01:36:06 AM

Dr.Zom: So how much organized child rape can we expect while all the good is happening? A lot? How many kids are we talking? Just ballpark it for me.


Organized like in flyers around campus?
 
2012-08-15 01:39:17 AM

consider this: Dr.Zom: So how much organized child rape can we expect while all the good is happening? A lot? How many kids are we talking? Just ballpark it for me.

Organized like in flyers around campus?


Don't be primitve. These people have email and google groups.

/secret handshakes, heh
 
2012-08-15 01:41:37 AM

consider this: Dr.Zom: So how much organized child rape can we expect while all the good is happening? A lot? How many kids are we talking? Just ballpark it for me.

Organized like in flyers around campus?


Organized as in with tacit approval to use the University's resources. I don't have much info yet on the unorganized child rape at Penn State, though it does seem like a problem there.
 
2012-08-15 01:42:20 AM

gameshowhost: MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

This^

Just my $.02, but I thought the whole thing had derailed and thrown crew/cargo across the landscape a long time ago.


True, but now the crew/cargo are transforming into trains in order to smash into each other forming even more train wrecks.
 
2012-08-15 01:43:25 AM

AbbeySomeone: consider this: Dr.Zom: So how much organized child rape can we expect while all the good is happening? A lot? How many kids are we talking? Just ballpark it for me.

Organized like in flyers around campus?

Don't be primitve. These people have email and google groups.

/secret handshakes, heh


It's not hands they're interested in shaking.
 
2012-08-15 01:45:07 AM

Dr.Zom: Organized as in with tacit approval to use the University's resources.


Sandusky was banned from using Penn St facilities years before this all came out.
 
2012-08-15 01:55:58 AM
...anyone else questioning why were keeping this scumbag alive?

/send him to texas
//dead by sunday or the pizza is free
 
2012-08-15 02:00:34 AM

Outlaw2097: ...anyone else questioning why were keeping this scumbag alive?

/send him to texas
//dead by sunday or the pizza is free


He knows where the bodies are buried...so to speak.
 
2012-08-15 02:00:35 AM
Clearly the answer is to ban the airline from flying
 
2012-08-15 02:15:08 AM

consider this: Dr.Zom: Organized as in with tacit approval to use the University's resources.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn St facilities years before this all came out.


Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.
 
2012-08-15 02:16:47 AM

Krymson Tyde: consider this: Dr.Zom: Organized as in with tacit approval to use the University's resources.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn St facilities years before this all came out.

Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.


You can bet he was using their mail and internet to send this filth out.
 
2012-08-15 02:19:33 AM

Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.


Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.
 
2012-08-15 02:28:03 AM
This gives quotes from an early victim Link
 
2012-08-15 02:34:29 AM
If this gets much bigger, they may have to do a total break from the past to ever regain credibility. If it remains confined to the athletic department, a total shutdown and then a totally fresh start. New school colors, a new mascot, rename the stadium, disavow the records of the previous program, etc. to make it clear that the old athletic department and everything related to it is gone. If it turns out that things went beyond the athletic department and there was a child abuse ring operating in the administration, you may have to completely change the identity of the university. Penn State could become Pennsyvania Farmers University, Pennsyvania A&M, or Irving University should the Penn State brand be damaged beyond repair.

For those who attended Penn State and earned a degree it really sucks to be caught in the middle of all of this. Yes many of them are defending the undefendable but that's not everyone. The vast majority of people seeing their degrees tainted by this scandal are innocent victims but that's life and certainly less horrible than what these young boys went through. If things get bad enough, perhaps they'll decide it's time for Penn State to cease to exist and something else take its place.
 
2012-08-15 02:36:11 AM

consider this: Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.


I think they just took his keys & alarm codes so he didn't have 24/7 access but he could use the facilities durning normal business hours.
 
2012-08-15 02:37:12 AM

borg: consider this: Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.

I think they just took his keys & alarm codes so he didn't have 24/7 access but he could use the facilities durning normal business hours.


They took his keys and alarm codes?!?!?!??! MONSTERS.

At least they were still allowing him into the luxury boxes until shortly before the fit hit the shan.
 
2012-08-15 02:37:49 AM
It's farking football which is funded by rich benifactors. Money, power and sex all go together, so I guess it's the same for rich powerful pedos.

Sick bastards.
 
2012-08-15 02:41:34 AM

consider this: Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.


Go to page 11 of the Grand Jury Report, begin reading at "Sandusky holds emeritus status with Penn State. In addition to the regular privileges of a professor emeritus, he had an office and a telephone in the Lasch Building. The status allowed him access to all recreational facilities..."
End with the paragraph that begins "Both the graduate assistant and Curley testified that Sandusky himself was not banned from any Penn State buildings..."
 
2012-08-15 02:49:08 AM

Krymson Tyde: consider this: Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.

Go to page 11 of the Grand Jury Report, begin reading at "Sandusky holds emeritus status with Penn State. In addition to the regular privileges of a professor emeritus, he had an office and a telephone in the Lasch Building. The status allowed him access to all recreational facilities..."
End with the paragraph that begins "Both the graduate assistant and Curley testified that Sandusky himself was not banned from any Penn State buildings..."


That paragraph ends with "Curley admitted that the ban on bringing children to the campus was unenforceable"
 
2012-08-15 02:52:16 AM

borg: Krymson Tyde: consider this: Krymson Tyde: Page 11 of the Grand Jury report says differently.

Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002, just after the incident in the showers that McQueary witnessed.

Go to page 11 of the Grand Jury Report, begin reading at "Sandusky holds emeritus status with Penn State. In addition to the regular privileges of a professor emeritus, he had an office and a telephone in the Lasch Building. The status allowed him access to all recreational facilities..."
End with the paragraph that begins "Both the graduate assistant and Curley testified that Sandusky himself was not banned from any Penn State buildings..."

That paragraph ends with "Curley admitted that the ban on bringing children to the campus was unenforceable"


Yes. consider this's assertion was that Sandusky was banned from using Penn State facilities in 2002.
 
2012-08-15 03:17:42 AM
If someone is twisted enough to molest, it isn't too tough to see how they could rationalize their behavior and go about their life.

There are witnesses stepping forward throughout this thing and that's staggering. How did they sleep at night? Or eat without puking? It is just too much to understand.
 
2012-08-15 03:18:09 AM
Penn State was "punished" so all this is irrelevant!

Right?

Right?
 
2012-08-15 03:21:00 AM

Ready-set: If someone is twisted enough to molest, it isn't too tough to see how they could rationalize their behavior and go about their life.

There are witnesses stepping forward throughout this thing and that's staggering. How did they sleep at night? Or eat without puking? It is just too much to understand.


Fear. Denial. Coercion.
 
2012-08-15 03:33:49 AM

Generation_D: rynthetyn: And yet the people in State College, my relatives included, still complain that it's blown way out of proportion.

Yeah, well, thats kind of why some of us following this were saying Penn State's culture is rotten to the core and needed the death penalty.

Sanctioned child rape on campus using campus facilities with full knowledge of the President, Athletic Director, and Head Coach .. for 15 years .. it takes an amazing amount of mental gymnastics to twist this into something that is acceptable.


THIS. This is why the program, and the board, need to go, period. This level of corruption and entitlement can't be fixed with temporary sanctions.
 
2012-08-15 04:41:17 AM

miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.


If this is true, the threat of Penn State losing its accreditation due to being sued into bankruptcy is going to be the least of their problems. :P

And I think we've gone quite officially beyond "train wreck"--the more of this that's coming out, the more this is looking like comparing a mere train wreck to the Texas City Disaster--and if the Nittany Shotacat Ring stuff turns out to have real meat to it, this is going to be like comparing a mere train wreck to the Halifax Explosion of 1917 (which was the largest explosion ever recorded until the advent of nuclear farking weapons).

It's really difficult to imagine HOW it could get much worse--maybe if it turns out that academic staff were in the pedo ring too, particularly in the child psychology department--that's about the ONLY way at this rate :P
 
2012-08-15 05:41:33 AM
More like the SMILE-high-club, amiright?
 
2012-08-15 05:58:36 AM

You_Really_Like_Me: Why is this coming out now and not during the investigation when law enforcement was crawling through the lives of everyone involved? I just don 't believe it.


Well, the Freeh report had no subpoena power. They did all they did with only computer forensics and personal interview of those willing to come forward.

Wait til the civil cases against Penn State start up brought by the victims. Discovery phase is going to be a hoot. Unless the university just opens its wallet and starts writing really big checks, which is probably whats going to happen actually.
 
2012-08-15 06:14:13 AM

consider this: Owangotang: Check the most recent thread on PSU in the sports tab. People genuinely think PSU is being persecuted at this point; not even child rape matters anymore, the too big to fail institutions need to keep on going

Or maybe they just don't feel that an entire institution of higher learning should be burnt to the ground for the actions of a few people. You obviously don't have a goddamn clue as to the good that a university the size of Penn State does, and I'm not even talking about educating students.


That is the thing though, there's certain times that all the good in the world doesn't outweigh the bad that happened. Sanctioned child rape using campus facilities, the administration knew, and their primary concern (in 2001) was Whether or not the university would look bad

Meanwhile here's Joe, moving everyone on his team that can't graduate into Parks and Rec, then moving them to the satellite campus so they won't show up against Penn State graduation rates. Here's Joe and Second Mile exchanging millions of dollars.. Here's Joe influencing other on-campus investigations against the football program in 2005 and 2007....

You want the university to stay open? Fine. Drop D-1 football, quit the Big Ten, become a real Ivy and not the fake ivy you like to claim you are already. Prove to the world this whole phony football first and only culture is not whats really running the college.

Most football scandals involve paying adults to play a game.

Yours involved keeping quiet about adults raping children.

Your school helped destroy childhoods, for 15 years, with knowledge by the head coach, president and athletic director. All of whom are on record either lying or covering up.

Your so called "good" is pretty hollow by comparison.

You Are.
 
2012-08-15 06:21:36 AM

EngineerAU: If this gets much bigger, they may have to do a total break from the past to ever regain credibility. If it remains confined to the athletic department, a total shutdown and then a totally fresh start. New school colors, a new mascot, rename the stadium, disavow the records of the previous program, etc. to make it clear that the old athletic department and everything related to it is gone. If it turns out that things went beyond the athletic department and there was a child abuse ring operating in the administration, you may have to completely change the identity of the university. Penn State could become Pennsyvania Farmers University, Pennsyvania A&M, or Irving University should the Penn State brand be damaged beyond repair.

For those who attended Penn State and earned a degree it really sucks to be caught in the middle of all of this. Yes many of them are defending the undefendable but that's not everyone. The vast majority of people seeing their degrees tainted by this scandal are innocent victims but that's life and certainly less horrible than what these young boys went through. If things get bad enough, perhaps they'll decide it's time for Penn State to cease to exist and something else take its place.


I went to a Catholic university. When the priest scandals broke (Oregon Synod, early 70s, current university president was involved in the priest reassignments to Alaska) many graduates of our university were among the first calling for full disclosure and prosecution. Both for moral reasons and purely selfish: I did not want my college becoming known primarily for its current president being a ped-enabler 40 years ago.

I understand not everyone at Penn State was a ped-enabler. But by blindly defending the college now, you're becoming one.
 
2012-08-15 07:11:17 AM

borg: I think it will eventually come out that Ray Gricar was murdered after he uncovered this.


Lots of people up in Happy Valley are saying the same thing. Heard a rumor of a book that's due to come out laying out theories about how it was pulled off. We'll see.

rynthetyn: And yet the people in State College, my relatives included, still complain that it's blown way out of proportion.


Friendships/acquaintances of many many years in SC and the surrounding areas have gone down the toilet over this cluster fark. I just can't believe that so many people still think Sandusky and Jopa have been unfairly accused. They all think that all those boys got together, made up the stories to make money.

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I don't believe it.

I believe that in time this whole sorry story is going to topple a lot of powerful men and women and that creep Sandusky will not be the only one behind bars.
 
2012-08-15 07:46:45 AM

You_Really_Like_Me: Why is this coming out now and not during the investigation when law enforcement was crawling through the lives of everyone involved? I just don 't believe it.


Actually the reports that the FBI was looking into allegations that Sandusky was pimping out kids from his foundation were first reported a short time after the PSU scandal was picked up by the major media outlets. So the Feds have been digging around for a while and news like this shouldn't be too surprising. And actually the guy that first reported the allegations of the pedo pimping ring was also the first person to report that law enforcement was investigating a PSU football coach on allegations of child molestation, and he reported it months before the scandal hit the major media outlets. I don't remember his name but I'm sure that some Farker knows it and has the link to his original article regarding it.
 
2012-08-15 07:55:24 AM

I'm just sayin': Triumph: elguerodiablo: Ugh. I'm sorry I read this thread. A murdered DA. A cushy government job as a payoff for the university president at the top of the cover up. A huge preretirement bonus for Joe Pa right before the shiat hit the fan. This rabbit hole is pretty deep.

You want a deep rabbit hole? Sandusky's charity, the Second Mile, shut down its internal investigation, ceased operations and transferred its $2.6 million in remaining assets to Houston-based Arrow Child and Family Ministries. Check out the people who run that outfit and then read up on the Franklin Scandal from the 80s.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7725966698433381712

The unaired documentary on that horror can be found here.



I have read "The Franklin Cover-up" and unfortunately I can say that none of this surprises me. That book detailed events and named names and the whole situation is a parallel to this.

And guess where Graham Spanier came from before he was at PSU? University of Nebraska where all of the Franklin stuff originated.

This sick shiat happens, and it is more wide spread than any of us could even imagine.
 
2012-08-15 07:57:46 AM

ongbok: I don't remember his name but I'm sure that some Farker knows it and has the link to his original article regarding it.


It was Mark Madden. He has a radio show in Pittsburgh, and he writes a column for a local paper.
 
2012-08-15 07:58:54 AM
Oh great, another PSU hate thread, another chance to rain hate down on hundreds of thousands of PSU alumns who's worst crime is getting a degree from Penn State and supporting the school.

flame on dipwads.
 
2012-08-15 07:59:24 AM
After researching the Franklin cover up I have zero faith that the FBI can be counted on in cases like this.
 
2012-08-15 08:06:46 AM

hogger: After researching the Franklin cover up I have zero faith that the FBI can be counted on in cases like this.


I agree. In fact, as soon as I heard that they brought in Louie Freeh to investigate I figured that is the end of the investigation. My guess is he was brought in so it doesn't get out of control and only the small time players get busted.
 
2012-08-15 08:12:28 AM

Farkbert: Oh great, another PSU hate thread, another chance to rain hate down on hundreds of thousands of PSU alumns who's worst crime is getting a degree from Penn State and supporting the school.

flame on dipwads.


So you consider getting a PSU degree a crime? And you PSU supporters claim everybody is coming down unfairly on the students and alumni.
 
2012-08-15 08:18:40 AM

hogger: After researching the Franklin cover up I have zero faith that the FBI can be counted on in cases like this.


The FBI flails on so many levels.
If they were have the LEOs that they ought to be, this never would have gotten this far.

Nuke it from orbit. Salt the earth. Pave it over. Dump metric kilotons of hazmat on it. Cover it with topsoil. Plant pretty flowers all over it, but it still happend. It still happens. Someone out there is still enabling these monsters. Until you make it a standard policy to start putting heads on pikes on public display and making real examples out of them, you're not helping.

If you had a real live dragon out there terrorizing people you would have to do that.
This dragon is the same. It's green. Scaled with currency. Protected by layers of money. The chink in the armor is the weakest link in the cash chain and someone's going to find it.


Get it done.
 
2012-08-15 08:27:42 AM

consider this: Owangotang: Check the most recent thread on PSU in the sports tab. People genuinely think PSU is being persecuted at this point; not even child rape matters anymore, the too big to fail institutions need to keep on going

Or maybe they just don't feel that an entire institution of higher learning should be burnt to the ground for the actions of a few people. You obviously don't have a goddamn clue as to the good that a university the size of Penn State does, and I'm not even talking about educating students.


So?

There are lots of other institutions of higher learning that could accommodate the current PSU students that don't have university-enabled child molestation rings.

If PSU were wiped off of the map, the net affect that would have would be minor, decreasing to none over time aside from the moral lesson that when you sacrifice everything for a game, you just might lose everything in the process.

The ONLY thing that makes PSU "special" is this scandal. Everything else can be replicated elsewhere.
 
2012-08-15 08:52:43 AM

Great Porn Dragon: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

If this is true, the threat of Penn State losing its accreditation due to being sued into bankruptcy is going to be the least of their problems. :P

And I think we've gone quite officially beyond "train wreck"--the more of this that's coming out, the more this is looking like comparing a mere train wreck to the Texas City Disaster--and if the Nittany Shotacat Ring stuff turns out to have real meat to it, this is going to be like comparing a mere train wreck to the Halifax Explosion of 1917 (which was the largest explosion ever recorded until the advent of nuclear farking weapons).

It's really difficult to imagine HOW it could get much worse--maybe if it turns out that academic staff were in the pedo ring too, particularly in the child psychology department--that's about the ONLY way at this rate :P


Only way I can imagine it being worse is if Joe Pa himself was directly involved too.
 
2012-08-15 09:05:16 AM

ursomniac: when you sacrifice everything for a game


Really... people are still farking that chicken? I figured that by now, especially with these other stories coming out where there was some funny money changing hands, and pedo rings where Jerry was the supplier, etc... that it was obvious football and "the good image of the university" were the last thing on these scumbags' minds. They were out to protect themselves and their cash cow. Did they use the football program as a tool? Sure, I could buy into that. But this coverup wasn't about football, it was about saving their own asses when Jerry couldn't keep it in his pants and got caught.
 
2012-08-15 10:09:39 AM
None of this would be a problem if raping kids were legal.
 
2012-08-15 10:12:55 AM
If boosters are involved, this could be the last year of Penn State football.

Ever.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-15 10:19:45 AM
murderpedia.org
You never go full Dutroux...
 
2012-08-15 11:21:41 AM

pyrotek85: Great Porn Dragon: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

If this is true, the threat of Penn State losing its accreditation due to being sued into bankruptcy is going to be the least of their problems. :P

And I think we've gone quite officially beyond "train wreck"--the more of this that's coming out, the more this is looking like comparing a mere train wreck to the Texas City Disaster--and if the Nittany Shotacat Ring stuff turns out to have real meat to it, this is going to be like comparing a mere train wreck to the Halifax Explosion of 1917 (which was the largest explosion ever recorded until the advent of nuclear farking weapons).

It's really difficult to imagine HOW it could get much worse--maybe if it turns out that academic staff were in the pedo ring too, particularly in the child psychology department--that's about the ONLY way at this rate :P

Only way I can imagine it being worse is if Joe Pa himself was directly involved too.


Well, in a strange way, if JoePa was farking little kids and scoping out kiddie porn, then it might be argued, in some twisted way, that the football culture didn't cover it up, but that it was JoePa's self interest.

Of course, only an idiot would try and use that twisted logic - that the cover-up was purely motivated by pedos simply keeping their crimes under wraps, and had nothing at all to do with protecting the football program.... because in the end, I doubt everybody involved in the cover-up were pedos, which means some of them, at least, did it in the interest of keeping the football program and the university untainted by scandal.

Meatschool: But this coverup wasn't about football, it was about saving their own asses when Jerry couldn't keep it in his pants and got caught.


Oops. I guess somebody would try and make that argument.

Sorry, the cover-up was at LEAST as much about protecting the football program and the school from the taint of the scandal as about CYA (for those actually raping kids and jerking off to kiddie porn).
 
2012-08-15 11:32:26 AM

Ambivalence: There was no way, considering how loud the Penn State supporters have been about this entire fiasco, that Sandusky was the only one involved.

No way.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that whole pedo rings needs to be brought down.
Sandusky needs to start naming names.
And so does his enabling biatch wife.
 
2012-08-15 11:40:52 AM

elguerodiablo: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.


I've heard that theory too, but it's a tendency of the medical profession to claim sexually deviant behavior is psychological trauma expressing itself at first. I'm more inclined to think it's a biological problem. If it were actually trauma, they'd have managed to cure someone by now.

/And, of course, they haven't...
 
2012-08-15 12:15:50 PM
I hear that the way to guarantee admission to Penn State was to attach child porn to your application.
 
2012-08-15 12:17:40 PM
B-B-B-B-But Football!
 
2012-08-15 12:39:27 PM
that whole pedo rings needs to be brought down.
Sandusky needs to start naming names.
And so does his enabling biatch wife


Gimme some pliers
 
2012-08-15 02:48:14 PM

PsiChick: elguerodiablo: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.

I've heard that theory too, but it's a tendency of the medical profession to claim sexually deviant behavior is psychological trauma expressing itself at first. I'm more inclined to think it's a biological problem. If it were actually trauma, they'd have managed to cure someone by now.

/And, of course, they haven't...


And more to the point (and potential relevance in this thread)--research conducted on sexual offenders since the late 60s points to true pedophilia being its own sexual orientation (just like heterosexuality and homosexuality are specific inborn orientations); just as straight people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the opposite gender and gay people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the same gender, pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescents (interestingly, there doesn't seem to often be a preference in gender--mostly "what the pedobear can get hold of" is what results in skews).

Which explains why pedophilia is pretty much untreatable (save for neutering and/or isolating pedophiles from kids in enforced abstinence); just like it's been proven impossible to actually de-gay someone or turn a legitimately straight person gay, you really can't "de-pedo" pedos. The most you can do is a sort of "pseudo-de-pedoing" which is more "be sexually abstinent and don't be around kids".

(Interestingly, most other sexual offenses have entirely different dynamics going on--rape and non-pedophiliac sexual assault is mostly focused on using one's sexual organs as a weapon (and is more of a dominance thing/aggression disorder than an actual sex thing, shown by (among other things) rapists being castrated and then proceeding to sodomise future victims with foreign objects despite not having sexual attractions at all) and most others seem to be related to paraphilias (especially cases involving flashers exposing themselves to others and infantilists trying to con their way into "nursemaids" or child-care settings). Pedophilia and zoophilia really seem to be the only two that deal with individuals having actual sexual orientations towards groups that are by default unable to consent (pre-pubescent kids and animals respectively).)

In general, sexual orientation of ANY sort does not have a clear genetic basis like (say) eye colour or hair colour, but rather seems to have a "genetics combined with environmental conditions in the womb" component (what scientists call epigenetics)--among other things, there does seem to be an increased chance (with increased number of boys born) that a son will be gay or bi. It's very likely that true pedophilia may be epigenetic in origin, with both a genetic "trend" AND environmental conditions affecting expression of "pedo trait"; we'd have to have longterm studies of things like twins born to families known to have multigenerational histories of pedophilia (with one or both twins removed very early from that home environment) to even get the chance to know as much as we do with probable epigenetics of being gay, though, and (comparatively speaking) pedophilia is a much rarer sexual orientation than being LGBT.

(And yes, folks, there's a reason I take pains to separate "being gay" with "being pedo"; pedophiles generally think about post-pubescent kids the same way LGBT folks thing of opposite-sex partners or straight folks think about same-sex partners--not something they're interested in, and even kind of icky to think about. In general, most adult partners of pedophiles are either the pedo equivalent of "beards" or (disturbingly) are also pedophiles; it's not uncommon to see pedophiles marry other pedophiles for purposes of both "partners" targeting their own kids for sexual predation.)
 
2012-08-15 03:03:39 PM

Great Porn Dragon: PsiChick: elguerodiablo: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.

I've heard that theory too, but it's a tendency of the medical profession to claim sexually deviant behavior is psychological trauma expressing itself at first. I'm more inclined to think it's a biological problem. If it were actually trauma, they'd have managed to cure someone by now.

/And, of course, they haven't...

And more to the point (and potential relevance in this thread)--research conducted on sexual offenders since the late 60s points to true pedophilia being its own sexual orientation (just like heterosexuality and homosexuality are specific inborn orientations); just as straight people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the opposite gender and gay people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the same gender, pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescents (interestingly, there doesn't seem to often be a preference in gender--mostly "what the pedobear can get hold of" is what results in skews).

Which explains why pedophilia is pretty much untreatable (save for neutering and/or isolating pedophiles from kids in enforced abstinence); just like it's been proven impossible to actually de-gay someone or turn a legitimately straight person gay, you really can't "de-pedo" pedos. The most you can do is a sort of "pseudo-de-pedoing" which is more "be sexually abstinent and don't be around kids".

(Interestingly, most other sexual offenses have entirely different dynamics going on--rape and non-pedophiliac sexual assault is mostly focused on using one's sexual org ...


I will give you that it could be a sexual orientation. However, homosexual couples tend to be consenting adults. A child cant really ever be a consenting party because they are not wise in the world. It comes down to choice: you dont have to act on your impulses.

This is what separates pedophiles from sexual offenders.
 
2012-08-15 03:07:16 PM

miss diminutive: gameshowhost: MaudlinMutantMollusk: miss diminutive: If true, this is turning into a train wreck of epic proportions.

This^

Just my $.02, but I thought the whole thing had derailed and thrown crew/cargo across the landscape a long time ago.

True, but now the crew/cargo are transforming into trains in order to smash into each other forming even more train wrecks.


Good point. Here is my lone counterattack:

i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-15 04:53:26 PM

LesserEvil: Sorry, the cover-up was at LEAST as much about protecting the football program and the school from the taint of the scandal as about CYA (for those actually raping kids and jerking off to kiddie porn).



I assume you have all of the information as to who was involved, when they were involved, how much they knew, what money changed hands, what boosters were involved, where Ray Gricar is, and can turn all of this information over to the appropriate authorities so as to save us taxpayers a ton of money on the investigation. You obviously have all the facts.

There have been rumors involving shady business dealings involving these jackasses. There have been rumors about these guys laundering money through the 2nd mile. There have been rumors involving the pimping of kids to boosters. Two of those three don't involve football, at all, and provide a reason to keep quiet about Jerry's sexcapades in the interest of keeping their own sins (most likely financial ones) in the shadows. If the third item involving pimping proves to be true, nuke it. Tear the stadium down. I haven't a clue what crap the feds will rain down on the school at that point but it certainly won't be pleasant.

But to claim to know enough about this mess to, without any doubt, exclaim "Because football!" is disingenuous at best.

I'm not out to say PSU is blameless, nor that they shouldn't get hammered with penalties of whatever type. But at this point, with these other rumors (and I will concede that until all of these investigations are complete, they're nothing more than rumors) flying around, it's too simplistic to just blame football. It doesn't make sense to, as ursomniac put it, "sacrifice everything for a game." It makes a whole lot more sense that they sacrificed everything to keep their own asses out of trouble because they're as dirty as Jerry in some way.

Perhaps I'm wrong and all of these guys from the janitors to Spanier and everyone in between are just so far off their rockers that they really were prepared to potentially wipe out the whole school and spend time in prison, their reputations ruined for life, all for a game. But in the meantime, let's agree to allow the investigations and the trials of the other two guys to take place before we start claiming we know exactly why all of this happened, shall we?
 
2012-08-15 07:54:09 PM

Bag of Hammers: B-B-B-B-But Football!


Corrected for local accent and reality.
 
2012-08-15 08:19:46 PM

Meatschool: Perhaps I'm wrong and all of these guys...


That's the basic thing wrong with your premise. All of the people involved had different motivations... it's not an "all thought this way" premise. You seem to think that NONE of these guys were protecting the football program, and yet you ask what telepathic information I have on these people's motivations. I'm just going by my life experience in dealing with people - in general, those who are willing to do heinous acts (like cover up child rape) are, surprisingly, not nice people; more importantly, they don't think the same way you or I do. In the case of Penn State, JoePa wielded tremendous power - so much so, he thought he could dictate terms to the BoT over how he'd leave the program, and enough to change the minds of three other individuals from doing the right thing (reporting the rape) to committing a serious crime. That doesn't happen without the adulation of countless PSU football fanatics (witness the riots on his firing, and the outrage over the removal of his statue).

It still comes back to a culture issue. Yes... the business dealings certainly motivated some of the conspiracy, but without the incredible influence of the football program with Joe Paterno at the head, the cover-up is probably not successful for 14 years. Heck, it's doubtful Sandusky is able to enjoy a rich pool of victims without the PSU Football program providing material support for his charity.

At the end of the day, nothing of real value is lost just because a dead coach's record is vacated and the team is mediocre for a few years. People who whine about this are the problem the NCAA was forced to deal with. The denial (some PSU fans STILL insist everything, even the victims, were all part of some vast conspiracy to bring down their god and football program) alone should show you that yes, some people are capable of covering up a terrible crime to prevent their beloved program from being tainted..
 
2012-08-15 09:15:44 PM

Great Porn Dragon: PsiChick: elguerodiablo: Huck And Molly Ziegler: Isn't it high time someone do some multi-million-dollar DNA-level research on why old grown-ups can be sexually attracted to people who are literally children? Find that strand and snip it. Snip it in the bud. That's the only way this is ever going to stop.

It turns out it's a product of the cycle of abuse rather than genetics. The people that do the abuse were abused themselves. Tool covers the topic in a much rockin'er fashion in Prison Sex.

I've heard that theory too, but it's a tendency of the medical profession to claim sexually deviant behavior is psychological trauma expressing itself at first. I'm more inclined to think it's a biological problem. If it were actually trauma, they'd have managed to cure someone by now.

/And, of course, they haven't...

And more to the point (and potential relevance in this thread)--research conducted on sexual offenders since the late 60s points to true pedophilia being its own sexual orientation (just like heterosexuality and homosexuality are specific inborn orientations); just as straight people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the opposite gender and gay people are attracted to post-pubescent people of the same gender, pedophiles are attracted to pre-pubescents (interestingly, there doesn't seem to often be a preference in gender--mostly "what the pedobear can get hold of" is what results in skews).

Which explains why pedophilia is pretty much untreatable (save for neutering and/or isolating pedophiles from kids in enforced abstinence); just like it's been proven impossible to actually de-gay someone or turn a legitimately straight person gay, you really can't "de-pedo" pedos. The most you can do is a sort of "pseudo-de-pedoing" which is more "be sexually abstinent and don't be around kids".

(Interestingly, most other sexual offenses have entirely different dynamics going on--rape and non-pedophiliac sexual assault is mostly focused on using one's sexual org ...


As cman said, though, this is something that we need to research treating, which I was trying to get at--we're barking up the wrong tree, but we're chasing the right cat.

/But yeah, the gay thing was why I was originally suspicious. If it sounds like bullshiat, that's one thing, but this is used bullshiat.
 
2012-08-18 04:38:56 AM

2xhelix: Godscrack: Right now I bet some very powerful people (church, law enforcement, 1% ers) are scrambling to cover their tracks, and making pay-offs.

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Like a certain Penn State Booster?


Another one may be Tom Corbett, who has said that he had a file on Sandusky as AG, but decided he had better things to do...like run for governor.
 
2012-08-18 04:41:39 AM

Ambivalence: There was no way, considering how loud the Penn State supporters have been about this entire fiasco, that Sandusky was the only one involved.


Also, on this: Most Penn State supporters have defended Joe Paterno. I have yet to hear one defend Jerry Sandusky.

If it were any lesser crime covered up, you'd probably hear at least a few supporters of the guy who did it. See Florida A&M. 

/In other news: Murder now a lesser crime than child rape.
 
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