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(Russia Today)   Woz goes on RT to complain that Kim Dotcom is being railroaded and the Internet freedom is in danger   (rt.com) divider line 157
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2012-08-14 05:08:26 PM
Am I the only one who finds it weird that RT refers to the U.S. Government as "The government."
 
2012-08-14 05:58:44 PM
Well, as much as the guy was a total douche, they need to write laws they can actually enforce. They don't get to make sh*t up and violate all kinds of laws to get the bad guy.

Sorry, this is not the movies.
 
2012-08-14 06:08:36 PM
I liked how Woz said Dotcom is a nice guy and you can just tell that he speaks the truth. Put down the bong Woz - just because he's a nice guy and you think he's telling the truth doesn't mean that he is innocent.

This is not Dotcom's first run-in with the law. He's a scammer and a criminal.

And welcome to last week, subby.
 
2012-08-14 06:25:23 PM
Woz is seen as an expert in modern day internet computing?

I mean, Tim Berners-Lee speaks out and says the same stuff, but his word means a whole lot more.
 
2012-08-14 08:43:53 PM
Woz would know. He's stuck in the cow-catcher.
 
2012-08-14 09:04:13 PM

Triumph: Am I the only one who finds it weird that RT refers to the U.S. Government as "The government."


I think RT assumes that if you are reading the article, you already know which government is attempting to prosecute Kim Dotcom.
 
2012-08-14 09:35:10 PM
Looks like I'll have to start a dossier on Happy Hours. Regardless of who is right or wrong, it appears that we disagree on every fundamental faction of life.
 
2012-08-14 10:32:34 PM
So he goes on Putin's media mouthpiece to complain about restrictions on freedom of speech? Aight.
 
2012-08-15 12:26:49 AM
Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.
 
2012-08-15 12:31:02 AM

consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.


Why not?
 
2012-08-15 12:31:05 AM

consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.


As it should.
 
2012-08-15 12:37:50 AM
He isnt still with Kathy Griffen, is he? That was frakkin weird seeing him on her reality series years back. I.. just admitted to watching Life in The D List. Oh well, it was entertaining.
 
2012-08-15 12:39:38 AM

consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.


If you don't like it, stay off the internet.
 
2012-08-15 12:44:37 AM

Head_Shot: consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.

As it should.


I certainly think it needs some oversight. I don't want to have to pay more to Comcast to access youtube.
 
2012-08-15 12:47:04 AM

consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.


The net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.
 
2012-08-15 12:50:06 AM
Rumor is Kim DotCom was going to start his own MP3 store and let users cut out the middle men, ie RIAA and record labels, so they used their money and went after him through the government so he could never launch the site. If you do some searching he had some pretty big artists lined up to join his site.

It would not surprise me one bit if this did go down this way since the government is completely bought and paid for.
 
2012-08-15 12:51:46 AM

jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.


Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.
 
2012-08-15 12:52:02 AM

consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.


I agree, that's a great idea.
 
2012-08-15 12:55:42 AM

consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.


"Think of the Children!"

Why is that always the battle cry of those who want to restrict freedom of speech?
 
2012-08-15 12:58:26 AM

consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.


Copying a sequence of bits from one computer to another really shouldn't be a crime. Sure, all reasonable human beings are against child porn but go after the soulless arseholes who produce it.
 
2012-08-15 01:00:30 AM

consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.


I think internet use should be controlled by having absolutely no anonymous usage and everyone has to log in with their real identity at all times.
 
2012-08-15 01:00:51 AM

consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.


Well...one outta three ain't bad.
 
2012-08-15 01:03:46 AM
FunkOut:I think internet use should be controlled by having absolutely no anonymous usage and everyone has to log in with their real identity at all times.

Anonymity is the best way to protect freedom of speech. If anything the internet needs to be more anonymous. If you don't know who said something you can't arrest them for saying it.
 
2012-08-15 01:04:25 AM
I thought the case against megaupload was falling apart due to the fact that we can't actually serve them with criminal charges in the US?
 
2012-08-15 01:08:18 AM

consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.


People travel on public streets to do bad things too. Maybe there should be checkpoints and random searches of all vehicles and occupants.
 
2012-08-15 01:10:50 AM
Dotcom wasn't some midwest grandma being sued for downloading some songs, he was making so much money distributing content that wasn't his that he lived in the most expensive house in a country.
 
2012-08-15 01:11:53 AM

The All-Powerful Atheismo: Head_Shot: consider this: Yes, lets just let the internet run wild with no oversight.

As it should.

I certainly think it needs some oversight. I don't want to have to pay more to Comcast to access youtube.


And again for google, and again for netflix, and whatever else.

Oversight is good. Control and monitoring, bad.

Why wouldn't apple want people to download free stuff? All people, obviously, they do make some money on itunes, but...torrenters and the like, that's part of the marketshare people who want to play their media, any media, the hardware is where their real money comes in for Apple.
 
2012-08-15 01:12:35 AM
Charges and allegations and all such aside:

Kim Dotcom is a ridiculous douchebag simply for changing is name to "Dotcom" and I hope he gets sentenced to 30 years of prison anal rape.

/why yes, I am off my meds
//still think the guy's a clown who deserves to get smacked as comic punishment for the name change
 
2012-08-15 01:15:56 AM
So basically the argument here is that since the internet makes it easier to conduct illegal activities, you should be able to do it without anybody trying to stop you. Got it, carry on.
 
2012-08-15 01:19:40 AM

consider this: So basically the argument here is that since the internet makes it easier to conduct illegal activities, you should be able to do it without anybody trying to stop you. Got it, carry on.


Oh maybe we need to have a think about what should be illegal. Communication, which is all you can do with the internet (unless we get into hacking) should not be illegal.
 
2012-08-15 01:23:42 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: Oh maybe we need to have a think about what should be illegal. Communication, which is all you can do with the internet (unless we get into hacking) should not be illegal.


How drunk are you right now?
 
2012-08-15 01:27:06 AM

consider this: How drunk are you right now?


Not drunk at all. The internet is the best thing humanity ever did for itself and now we risk losing it because the parasitic middlemen in the RIAA and MPAA can't handle their obsolescence.
 
2012-08-15 01:31:32 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: Not drunk at all. The internet is the best thing humanity ever did for itself and now we risk losing it because the parasitic middlemen in the RIAA and MPAA can't handle their obsolescence.


So movie studios, musical artists, authors, software developers and everybody else who can have their work stolen online should just deal with it? Like I said, you think it's your right to steal shiat just because the internet makes it possible.
 
2012-08-15 01:37:17 AM
ParanoidAgnostic
Copying a sequence of bits from one computer to another really shouldn't be a crime


If you look philosophically at it, that whole digital piracy thing is essentially about denying people to tell other people a number:
every program, every movie, every file on a computer is sequence of ones and zeros, i.e. just a binary number that can be easily converted into a decimal.
And if you aren't careful, you can be punished for telling someone else "97356597" because there's some piece of hardware or software around that can do something useful with it - some number might look like complete gibberish to you, but if you stuff it into an old C64, you might be able to play Tetris.
So all copyright infringement of digital content is basically this:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-08-15 01:37:31 AM

Dalrint: I thought the case against megaupload was falling apart due to the fact that we can't actually serve them with criminal charges in the US?


It is.

I stole this from Wikipedia; On June 28, 2012, New Zealand High Court Justice Helen Winkelmann found the warrants used did not adequately describe the offences to which they were related. "These categories of items were defined in such a way that they would inevitably capture within them both relevant and irrelevant material. The police acted on this authorisation. The warrants could not authorise seizure of irrelevant material, and are therefore invalid." Justice Winkelmann also ruled the FBI's cloning of the seized hard-drives invalid. This judgment calls the admissibility of the evidence in later extradition hearings into question.

Another judge has ruled that the FBI acted illegally when they copied Megaupload's data and transferred these files electronically to the US. This leaves the FBI wide open to civil suits Also, Dotcom's extradition hearing has been pushed back to March of 2013.

The FBI done screwed up big time, and now they're desperately trying to bury their mistakes.

/I had real respect for the FBI before this.
//Now, I realize that they're just mall cops on an international scale.
 
2012-08-15 01:39:58 AM
A copy of AutoCAD 2013 costs $4,195 but I can download it for free online so that makes it OK I guess.
 
2012-08-15 01:40:38 AM

consider this: ParanoidAgnostic: Not drunk at all. The internet is the best thing humanity ever did for itself and now we risk losing it because the parasitic middlemen in the RIAA and MPAA can't handle their obsolescence.

So movie studios, musical artists, authors, software developers and everybody else who can have their work stolen online should just deal with it? Like I said, you think it's your right to steal shiat just because the internet makes it possible.


Nope, they should 1) cut costs by going directly to the consumer, 2) pass on some of those savings to the purchaser and 3) make the paid-for version of their product easier to obtain and use than a pirated one.

Then accept the little piracy that remains because all measures to stop it so far have only punished legitimate users (see item 3)
 
2012-08-15 01:40:49 AM

FunkOut: consider this: jaylectricity: If you don't like it, stay off the internet.

Says the guy looking at child porn while downloading The Dark Knight Rises and checking out Silk Road for some primo shrooms.

I think internet use should be controlled by having absolutely no anonymous usage and everyone has to log in with their real identity at all times.


I'm sure every dictator and tyrant the world over thinks the same. Without anonymity, there's no freedom of expression for pretty much everyone who doesn't live in a first world democracy.

Hell, even in the US, plenty of people have had their lives ruined because they once posted something sexist/racist/offensive when they were an angsty teenager.
 
2012-08-15 01:41:44 AM
I'm sorry but we're talking about a guy who made a fortune for basically providing massive open virtual black market and you can't even begin to pretend he didn't know what was going on.
 
2012-08-15 01:43:49 AM
Steve Wozniak? The guy who innovated the home computer back in the 1970's, but then suffered head injuries in a 1981 plane crash and has basically just been employed as Apple's corporate mascot for the past 25 years?
 
2012-08-15 01:43:57 AM

consider this: A copy of AutoCAD 2013 costs $4,195 but I can download it for free online so that makes it OK I guess.


Yep, because that's comically overpriced.

Personally I'd use one of the free open-source CAD packages though.
 
2012-08-15 01:44:14 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: Nope, they should 1) cut costs by going directly to the consumer, 2) pass on some of those savings to the purchaser and 3) make the paid-for version of their product easier to obtain and use than a pirated one.


I've never heard a more ridiculous argument in my life. We're stealing your stuff because we can so make it cheaper and we'll think about paying for it.
 
2012-08-15 01:47:26 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: Yep, because that's comically overpriced.


This is what the internet actually believes.
 
2012-08-15 01:47:37 AM

consider this: ParanoidAgnostic: Nope, they should 1) cut costs by going directly to the consumer, 2) pass on some of those savings to the purchaser and 3) make the paid-for version of their product easier to obtain and use than a pirated one.

I've never heard a more ridiculous argument in my life. We're stealing your stuff because we can so make it cheaper and we'll think about paying for it.


Item 3 was the most important point. Make the paid version more convenient (rather than less) and people will pay for the convenience.

Item 2 was just a benefit of skipping the middlemen
 
2012-08-15 01:51:01 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: Item 3 was the most important point. Make the paid version more convenient (rather than less) and people will pay for the convenience.


What does that even mean, more convenient? Most software and music is already available for sale online.
 
2012-08-15 01:51:48 AM

consider this: ParanoidAgnostic: Yep, because that's comically overpriced.

This is what the internet actually believes.


When you could buy 3 complete computers for the price of a single piece of software, yes.
 
2012-08-15 01:53:11 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: consider this: ParanoidAgnostic: Nope, they should 1) cut costs by going directly to the consumer, 2) pass on some of those savings to the purchaser and 3) make the paid-for version of their product easier to obtain and use than a pirated one.

I've never heard a more ridiculous argument in my life. We're stealing your stuff because we can so make it cheaper and we'll think about paying for it.

Item 3 was the most important point. Make the paid version more convenient (rather than less) and people will pay for the convenience.

Item 2 was just a benefit of skipping the middlemen


and you need and item 4) support with paid version and maybe an item 5) updates without reinstalling the entire product
 
2012-08-15 01:53:29 AM

ParanoidAgnostic: When you could buy 3 complete computers for the price of a single piece of software, yes.


Unfarkingreal how you're trying to justify stealing something.
 
2012-08-15 01:54:40 AM

narkor: Dotcom wasn't some midwest grandma being sued for downloading some songs, he was making so much money distributing content that wasn't his that he lived in the most expensive house in a country.


meeerrrrpppp. watch the video
 
2012-08-15 01:57:34 AM

consider this: ParanoidAgnostic: When you could buy 3 complete computers for the price of a single piece of software, yes.

Unfarkingreal how you're trying to justify stealing something.


Says the person justifying price gouging.
 
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