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2012-08-14 05:47:56 PM
29 votes:

Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).


YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."
2012-08-14 05:00:39 PM
17 votes:

Ghastly: I'd rather read a thousand farking elf songs by J.R.R. Tolkien than one chapter of Ayn Rand's crap.


Tom Bombadil Shrugged
2012-08-14 04:51:17 PM
14 votes:
I'd rather read a thousand farking elf songs by J.R.R. Tolkien than one chapter of Ayn Rand's crap.
2012-08-14 06:02:20 PM
13 votes:
Atlas Shrugged is about this superhuman business guy named John Galt who was super awesome at everything he did and one day he just checked out of society because he was tired of all of the mindless bureaucratic red-tape regulations and union bullshiat that surrounds running a business in a modern society like ours. And people freaked out because without John Galt around, everything was going to shiat. And then other really important business tycoons did the same thing. And then all of the union workers and politicians were really sad and miserable and jobless, because the super awesome job creators weren't around to lead them to prosperity and super awesome living. So the moral of the story is, keep sucking rich guy dick or they'll fark you in the ass.
2012-08-14 06:39:30 PM
9 votes:

randomjsa: Yes, people grow up and embrace reality. Except the people who read socialist and communist literature, they never do.

Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.

Hopefully we can put an adult back in the WH in November.


Speaking of crowing cocks, I bet Paul Ryan denies Ayn Rand at least two more times.
2012-08-14 07:38:14 PM
7 votes:
2012-08-14 06:35:58 PM
7 votes:
Ayn Rand Paul Ryan Gosling will be the name of my first child.

He will be a chain-smoking atheist Catholic optometrist with incredible abs and a shriveled up heartless dick who believes the gold standard and objectivism will be the saviors of humanity.

//so proud already
2012-08-14 07:02:04 PM
6 votes:
I read Anthem when I was 16 and afterwards I raped my stuffed animals for hours in an attempt to create a new master race.

I'm better now thanks to the Lithium.
2012-08-14 05:06:21 PM
6 votes:
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-- Paul Krugman
2012-08-15 12:00:03 AM
5 votes:
alternatively

http://www.mopie.com/blog/2006/01/atlas-shrugged-by-ayn-rand.html

Saturday, January 07, 2006
Atlas Shrugged (by Ayn Rand)
ATLAS SHRUGGED: THE ABRIDGED VERSION (with spoilers)

AYN RAND
Hello, I'm Ayn Rand. I wrote a novel based on my Objectivist philosophy called The Fountainhead, but I don't think 700 pages was quite enough to get my point across, so I will write the exact same novel, only it will take 1100 pages this time.

READERS
Hey, great.

HEROINE
I'm Dagny Taggart. I am a railroad tycoon, woman-in-a-man's-world, stunningly beautiful heroine. I am the only person capable of running this railroad. I am the only woman in the universe worth a damn. I am also the only woman in the universe with a real job. I am basically the only woman in this novel.

LOVE INTEREST #1
I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, from afar for my whole life.

HEROINE
That's nice.

LOVE INTEREST #2
I have worshiped you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, naked on the forest floor. Yet I will nobly step aside in the name of noble idealism, despite the fact that I love you and want you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn, desperately.

HEROINE
Okay.

LOVE INTEREST #3
I worship you, the only woman in the universe worth a damn. Let us have creepy rape fantasy sex now. I will not ask permission to do all these kinky things to you, but luckily you want to be forced into all the kinky things, you dirty biatch.

HEROINE
This is clearly true love! Stick it in me.

ALL
Who is John Galt?

AYN RAND
I am not telling. Instead, please listen to someone pontificate about my Objectivist philosophy for a while.

SOMEONE
[Pontificates]

VILLAINS
There are many of us, but we are all exactly the same. We are caricatures of evil socialists and embodiments of pure evil. Let us create a perfect socialist world order ruled by the inept! We all suck! Socialism sucks! Ha ha!

HEROES
We are all exactly the same. We are noble and perfect and have very angular and insolent faces. We can read each other's minds and the minds of everyone else in this novel, leaving less room for misunderstanding and more room for pontificating. And we are all in love with Dagny Taggart, the only woman in the universe worth a damn.

ALL
Who is John Galt?

VILLAIN
[Threatens hero.]

HERO
[Flips coin]
If it's heads, I will gaze apathetically. If it's tails, I will laugh heartily.

VILLAIN
Although these are the only two things any of you heroes have done for the past 800 pages, I am shocked at this response! How could you! How dare you!?!

HERO
I will now pontificate about Ayn Rand's philosophy. It has been at least 50 pages since you've heard it.

AYN RAND
It is so convenient that all of my heroes are in perfect agreement about my philosophy so that their pontificating is so interchangeable.

ALL
Who is John Galt?

JOHN GALT
Hello. In this, the culmination of all the pontificating, I will explain Ayn Rand's philosophy for a full 57 pages. No, I am not kidding. This one monologue will last for 57 pages. Oh and also, I love Dagny.

DAGNY
I love you too. Man, this is really going to suck for Love Interest #3.

LOVE INTEREST #3
Despite my passionate love for you and enjoyment of our rape sex, and the fact that there is no other woman on earth worth a damn, and the fact that I sacrificed my life's passion on your behalf, and that I spent my entire fortune to get a divorce to be with you, I will now nobly step aside in the name of noble idealism.

DAGNY
Great! I will miss our creepy rape sex. Farewell.

LOVE INTEREST #3
Bye.

READER
Wait, what?

ATLAS
[Shrugs]

THE END
2012-08-14 06:54:33 PM
4 votes:

Lando Lincoln: Atlas Shrugged is about this superhuman business guy named John Galt who was super awesome at everything he did and one day he just checked out of society because he was tired of all of the mindless bureaucratic red-tape regulations and union bullshiat that surrounds running a business in a modern society like ours. And people freaked out because without John Galt around, everything was going to shiat. And then other really important business tycoons did the same thing. And then all of the union workers and politicians were really sad and miserable and jobless, because the super awesome job creators weren't around to lead them to prosperity and super awesome living. So the moral of the story is, keep sucking rich guy dick or they'll fark you in the ass.



Is this legitimately what the book is about? I've never read it, or even a summary of it. We need to figure out a way tomake all the bankers and CEO's leave. They've been farking a lot of shiat up.

Employee 1: "Dude the CEO just up and left"
Employee 2: "Well the company was doing badly so he was about to lay some of us off. I guess we can use his multi-million dollar benefits, stocks and paychecks to maintain, build and expand the company."
Employee 1: "But who is going to lead us?"
Employee 2: "We're Americans, we'll figure it out on our own and in a democratic fashion. We're educated, we're not afraid of losing our jobs and we now know that any additional profit from the business will go directly into our checking accounts. I think we'll be okay."
Employee 1: "We should have done this years ago!"
2012-08-14 06:36:36 PM
4 votes:
So he keeps the things he likes about the philosophy, while ignoring all the other parts that he doesn't like, even if they are necessary to make it a coherent whole?

How very christian of him!
2012-08-14 06:03:33 PM
4 votes:
what if all the John Galt wannabes up and left...and society got better for it?
2012-08-14 11:52:19 PM
3 votes:
http://www.spudworks.com/article/66/2/

The Abridged Atlas Shrugged
02.19.2001

"It sure is hard to find good men now-a-days. I wonder what the hell is going on," Dagny smirked to herself as she entered the towering monolith to capitalism that was the headquarters of Taggart Transcontinental. "There are so few men like Hank Rearden, the man who single handedly invented a new greenish tint metal that is far stronger than steel," she said bursting in on her brother. "There are too many like you, Jim," she mocked.

"Well, if that's the case, you so-not-a-woman-and-I-can't-believe-a-woman-wrote-this, why don't you go redeem yourself by sleeping with him. By being his servile little mistress you'll serve the cause of capitalism far better than you have," Jim mocked.

Dagny smirked in her mocking way. Yes, she thought, she had tried that with another man, and it seemed so right until he, gasp, went to the other side. He became a slacker. Hank. Hank, Hank, Hank. Don't you know you're all I dream about though I don't actually do anything about it until page five-hundred? "I know what I want Jim, but what do you want?"

"Who is John Galt?"

"Don't say that! It's people asking that question that leads me to believe something sinister is happening in society. I think he's the destroyer." She mocked herself silently inside. How could a grown woman think such a thing? Oh, who was she kidding? She knew that women weren't much better than children anyway. Everyone knew that. It was a fluke she had any position in the railroad at all.

"It is I, Francisco d'Anconia, of the oldest most wealthy copper fortune this side of the Atlantic, and don't I want you to know that I'm pissing it all away for a grand reason that I won't tell you!" His perfect physique burst through the door in a mocking manner few could achieve but which he achieved perfectly. He had seen someone do the act before and fail and, after a single try at six months old, he was better at mockingly bursting through doors than anyone on the planet.

"Slacker," Dagny screamed with indignation and a pointed finger.

"Yes Dagny, you silly silly woman, I may seem a slacker to you, but after ten pages of explanation you will know that it is you who slack and it is I who serve a higher cause which will not be explained for another seven hundred pages. Remember, I am a d'Anconia which goes without saying that I know what I am doing," he mocked. He was so perfect at mocking. No man mocked like Francisco. How she wanted to be back in his arms. Were it not for... no! He was a slacker! The very embodiment of slack yet... yet he slacked with purpose. Even that was perfect. No man slacked like Francisco.

"What in capitalism's name is going on here," Hank yelled with bursting anger from the bottom of his manly lungs as he lunged through the door. It wasn't as perfect as Francisco's mockery, no man could touch that, but it was with the kind of power only a capitalist could muster. Dagny fluttered with lust.

"What the hell are you all doing in my office," Jim demanded weekly, the only way a socialist could demand.

"Hank, we must talk," Francisco said in a softly mocking way. Hank's heart fluttered with love he suddenly felt for the man. Even if he was a slacker, could my heart be wrong, Hank asked himself. He reached for Francisco's hand, wanting to hold him close.

"No," Dagny screamed with indignation and a pointed finger. "Please, I want him to take me and show me what a weak little girl I really am! That's what all women want!" Hank looked torn.

"Hey everybody," said a quiet voice from behind Hank. Hank took up most of the doorway with his manly capitalistic bulk. The crowd parted like the sea and a well groomed handsome man with a shock of boyish blond hair stood at the foot of it.

"John, you're not supposed to show up for eight-hundred more pages," Francisco said mockingly.

"Well, I got bored with the wait and figured what the hell. So... who wants to know what this is all about?" John smiled and every man's heart in the room melted. Dagny felt the overwhelming urge to become his servant and to clean up after him. That's what all women wanted after all, she figured.

"I do," Rearden capitalisticly demanded.

"Well, I couldn't deal with any government intervention in business and think that any kind of socialist tendency is kind of a bad idea, so me and my buddies, who all just happen to be the rich, powerful, and industrial, went on strike to bring the world to its knees." John said as he tossed back his blond hair with a light twitch of his head.

"For what purpose," Jim nearly cried. Socialists are such babies, thought John mockingly.

"Well, I don't like having to pay taxes or think about anything other than business. And, because I'm such an inexplicably charismatic guy, I figured I'd just get my industrialist buddies to back me," John said with a hint of mockery.

"Look," Jim sobbed. "The world is crumbling without you guys!"

"Well, once it's toast, we'll get to work but until then, who's up for some skiing in Colorado?"
2012-08-14 07:50:53 PM
3 votes:

Silly Jesus: Yes. Believe it or not the only discussion about Mein Kampf isn't "Hitler bad", "I agree", "OK, next book."


I have 10 million plus reasons to know 'Hitler bad'. I don't need a book full of his rationalizing to know why.

If that's all that you can muster though, I understand.

Well aren't you the special snowflake. Next time don't overcook my fries or I'm telling your manager.
2012-08-14 06:40:11 PM
3 votes:
Romney wants to convince everyone he's not the liberal he used to be, and now we have running mate who wants to convince everyone he's not the conservative he used to be.
2012-08-14 06:35:23 PM
3 votes:

randomjsa:
Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.


well yeah but don't be TOO hard on GWB. The market was imploding and banks failing over like dominoes. if he didn't turn the country socialist he'd have been the president responsible for kicking off the Great Depression 2.0. I guess he was ok with being known as the Republican president who made the country socialist instead of the guy who destroyed the country's economy.
2012-08-14 05:35:00 PM
3 votes:
My favorite part of Atlas shrugged was when the girl kept trying on hats and her friends were all, like, girrrrrrl. That hat is way too floppy for your face, and then they were all just laughing because after all, who needs that man? He doesn't even know what he lost, girl. He doesn't even know. You are so pretty. I'm serious. I would kill for your hair. OR FAKE AN ORGASM.

The end.
2012-08-14 05:04:50 PM
3 votes:
FTA:"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,"

God help us.
2012-08-14 11:11:44 PM
2 votes:
You know, it wouldn't be too hard to turn Atlas Shrugged into a communist novel.

You just make all the characters good honest laborers instead of titans of industry. The people keeping them down are the managers who steal their labor and ideas. Have overdone scenes where a worker thinks of a way to help the company save money and increase workplace safety. He tells his manager who tells the guy to work in his spare time on a proposal and if he does he'll give him a bonus. The guy slaves away in all his spare time to produce details plans, research, projections and everything. When the work is finished the manger takes credit, screws him on the bonus, and then fires the worker to cover his tracks when he complains. The manager also alters the plan in such a way that it squeezes out a few extra dimes by eliminating the safety part and lots of workers get maimed in a horrible accident. shiat like this keep happening to the righteous main characters. Then some mysterious figure starts going to all the good honest workers and telling them about this communist paradise where they get the full rewards of their hard work. While all this is going on there's this one guy who is going around the country knocking over banks to fund the communist utopia. He justifies himself by regarding himself as a Robin Hood (an actual one, not a reverse one). In the end there can be a big Marxist speech about how the people who work and sweat to make the world work are so great and everyone else just sucks, and then of course all the middle managers and all the robber barons burn because society fails without the good honest workers, who live on in their communist utopia without the burden of the capitalists.

Ta-Da! And in this version, the people in the new utopia actually know how to farm so they don't all die after a few hard winters.
2012-08-14 10:08:47 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: This is the greater point that I was getting at up thread. Everyone thinks that they can just not read the book and form a reasoned opinion on her philosophy based on silly cartoons which would seem absurd to anyone who had actually read the damn thing.

Stupid cartoon is stupid.


"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force." -- Dorothy Parker
2012-08-14 07:26:04 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.


Yes, meet the Randroid formula.

"Well,you obviously haven't read it, because if you had then you'd understand it and then you'd agree with it."

"Yeah...I've read it, it's garbage."

"Well, obviously you're not intelligent enough to understand it, because if you were then you'd agree with it."
2012-08-14 07:24:53 PM
2 votes:

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.


Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on
2012-08-14 06:55:42 PM
2 votes:
In reality, are you an Ayn Rand fan if you receive hundreds of thousands of dollars in government subsidy? I suppose it's okay because Ayn Rand herself went on Social Security.
2012-08-14 06:46:40 PM
2 votes:

tlchwi02: Confabulat: If you're going to feed me crap, make it entertaining crap. Rand couldn't even do that. I felt like taking a shower to get that book off me when I was done. Horrible characters, horrible philosophy, just a total disaster of a book. I have heard Atlas Shrugged is better but I'd probably prefer just taking an icepick to my eyeballs rather than try.

its not, its just as poorly written. at one point she had a character monologueing, and it was just repeating the same points over and over and over and over. so i decided to flip forward to see where it ended. it was another 40 something pages of a small print paperback.

even outside of the philosphy, its a terribly written book.


oh no doubt Rand needed a very good editor to help her beat that book into shape. I think it could have been a pretty decent story if edited down to something reasonable. OOoooo! how about we rewrite it but go with a dash of George R. R. Martin! bodies EVERYWHERE! and Dagny ends up chanting the names of everyone she wants revenge against every night until she falls asleep....John Galt as the face changing assassin....it could work!
2012-08-14 06:39:03 PM
2 votes:
Ryan's renouncing Ayn Rand now? Well, this should be entertaining.

Ryan's speech outlined his fascination with Rand - whose novels preach personal accountability and a rejection of altruism- while growing up, recalling how it impacted him so much that he required his interns and staff to read both of her iconic novels. Ryan also cited in the 2005 speech character monologues from the novels that have informed his personal and political views:

hee hee! You made your staff read both of her books!
2012-08-14 06:32:58 PM
2 votes:
This is why Romney loves Ryan. Like Mitt, Paul can immediately abandon long held beliefs as soon as it becomes convenient. You don't find someone as breath takingly shallow as that every day. Mitt is extremely impressed.
2012-08-14 06:32:17 PM
2 votes:
Because a man who would cast aside a lifetime of belief for a moment of power is the kind of man I would the trust the future to.

/No, I don't like Rand.
//But he's been her disciple for his entire adult life.
///What will he cast aside next?
2012-08-14 06:32:11 PM
2 votes:
She was his entire reason for getting into politics, and for years he would give her books away to everyone he knew. Somehow, after years and years of worshipping her, he found out she was a crazy Russian atheist. It's good to know that this "serious" Republican does such great due diligence before swallowing an ideology hook line and sinker. He is truly the face of the modern GOP.
2012-08-14 05:27:27 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: why do I not believe him....?


Could you step in here for a moment?

1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-08-14 04:52:44 PM
2 votes:
I've got an idea

Why dont we all pitch in some money and buy thousands of flip-floops and pass them out at Romney/Ryan events?
2012-08-14 04:37:39 PM
2 votes:
"I am no longer fascinated by the woman. She was but flesh, she was mortal and flawed and imperfect. Now I know that it is not the woman but the ideas that she espoused that I should worship. It is the ideas, the ideals, the capitalistic ideological purity, that command my affections and steer my policy."
2012-08-15 08:59:06 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: immafattie: i'm about as Libtastic as you can get, but I enjoyed The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged.

Why? Be specific.


I enjoyed the frequent subject-verb agreement. You?
2012-08-15 11:59:48 AM
1 votes:

SevenizGud: I think all thinking people should reject the notions promugated by Rand, and instead reward nonproductive losers for being nonproductive losers, just as if they were not really parasites on society.


OK. What kind of reward would you like?
2012-08-15 03:48:16 AM
1 votes:

Dansker: Ayn Rand doesn't have a billion followers, and her ideas barely have any significance in the world outside Libertarian, American college students. John Galt is about as important to political philosophy as Harry Potter.


I'd argue Harry Potter is more important to most modern thinkers than Ayn Rand in most of the world. But don't tell libertarian American college students that, they'd burn down Hogwarts too.
2012-08-15 03:14:11 AM
1 votes:
Harry_Seldon 2012-08-15 12:44:27 AM

SockMonkeyHolocaust: Ayn Rand had great tits.

Ewwwww


Somehow, ah, that reminds me of...butter.
2012-08-15 01:46:33 AM
1 votes:
I approve any motion to transform this thread into a "System Shock 2 was better than Biosho#ERROR#3343443--343--3444433#ERROR
334333
3334333
#ERROR#
REBOOTING TO DEFAULT A.I.

#3#

#3#

#3#

Shut up, stupid libs. All of you.
2012-08-15 01:27:35 AM
1 votes:
It takes a real individual to disagree with other people posting on the internet, you know. A rugged individualist. Someone against the grain. A true libertarian hero. Like you.
2012-08-14 11:16:47 PM
1 votes:

gameshowhost: /for that matter, they also think that everything can be assigned property rights
//jesus farking christ, you stupid farkholes, how the fark does that work on, say, AIR


He figured it out:
www.girlontheright.com
2012-08-14 10:53:23 PM
1 votes:
Thought experiment: imagine if Obama or Biden loved the works of a Russian atheist. What would Fox News say about the matter?
2012-08-14 10:48:50 PM
1 votes:

Pocket Ninja: I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.

The percentage will go up slightly higher for books by Orwell, but not by much.


I disagree about Orwell. 1984 and Animal Farm are both engaging novels with good characters and gripping plots. I expect that many people could tell you about Winston and Julia and the ministry of truth and Boxer and Napolean and Squealer.

I tried to read Atlas Shrugged but it reminded me of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - gives you a basic plot and characters and then procedes to preach boring nonsense at you until you put it down half way through and ask yourself why you wasted the time.
2012-08-14 10:11:59 PM
1 votes:
So, Rachel Maddow just tore him apart by showing multiple videos of Ryan praising Ayn Rand and declaring that we were living in a Rand novel. It was amusing.
2012-08-14 09:31:25 PM
1 votes:
From Objectivist to Jesuit is not much of an improvement.
2012-08-14 09:22:20 PM
1 votes:

Curse of the Goth Kids: Hey guys, Attila the Hun may not have been 100% bad, only mostly but you know some good stuff also.

Also, I don't understand your earthman ways.


Neither do you understand my advanced technology.

It is a thing of great sadness.

img100.imageshack.us
2012-08-14 09:04:08 PM
1 votes:

Lando Lincoln: HellRaisingHoosier: Is this legitimately what the book is about? I've never read it, or even a summary of it. We need to figure out a way to make all the bankers and CEO's leave. They've been farking a lot of shiat up.

Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer.

SparkNotes: Atlas Shrugged


Summary of the summary: "In an environment of worsening economic conditions, Dagny Taggart, vice president in charge of operations, works to repair Taggart Transcontinental's crumbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "
2012-08-14 08:53:51 PM
1 votes:

whidbey: Parthenogenetic: Silly Jesus: In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.

No kidding. What masochistic type would spent that much energy defending such a laughable pile of ideologically selfish (and badly written) garbage?

blogs-images.forbes.com

Rhetorical question, mind you....


Oh.
2012-08-14 08:52:57 PM
1 votes:

Teufelaffe: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?

It's pretty derpy. Bad writing and the purest form of the "I've got mine, fark you" philosophy. If you're in the mood for an author with Objectivist leanings, try The Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. Much better writing, and he manages to hide his "Individualism GOOOD, collectivism BAAAD" pretty well until the fourth or fifth book.


That was my experience. However, his villains and heroes are all caricatures. Even in the first book. Richard Cypher/Rahl was a paragon of virtue while Darken Rahl was so unbelievably evil just for the sake of being evil.

I think it was the fifth book (Soul of the Fire) where the Objectivism became apparent, and the next one (Faith of the Fallen) was Terry Goodkind's attempt to beat his readers over the head with Atlas Shrugged. Seeing that Goodkind was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand affected the quality of the entire series, even those books where it isn't apparent.

/read the entire series.
//sucked after Temple of the Winds
///got even worse after Chainfire
////barely finished the series
//unemployment gave me a lot of free time
2012-08-14 08:50:41 PM
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Parthenogenetic:
Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.


I dunno, I'd say that depends on how handy he is with a shovel.
2012-08-14 08:46:54 PM
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ps69: What happened to that trend of "Going Galt" that was reported to be widespread on Fox News shortly after Obama was elected and was being threatened by all the captains of industry who ran everything from right wing blogs to far right wing blogs. Did anyone make good on that promise, or did they sit back and collect their share of the massively growing corporate profits and continued low tax rate?


Also, if we increase taxes as much as Obama wants to (to somewhat less than 90s levels), we'll have massive capital flight and another round of Job Creators going Galt. Just like we did in the 90s.
2012-08-14 08:33:26 PM
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Curse of the Goth Kids: Paul Baumer: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 525x719]

Y'know, that's probably the most interesting one of those I've seen yet. Well done, sir or madam as the case may be.


Bei Danke - I am no Pocket Ninja, but I did one earlier that was well recieved - but I won't mind if you don't like it.

lh6.googleusercontent.com
2012-08-14 08:32:33 PM
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peasandcarrots: I can almost always tell a modern objectivist writer by the way they write children. For some reason, children in objectivist books don't just talk like full-grown adults, but they talk like fully-actualized well-rounded intelligent adults who are capable of unpacking and analyzing all their inner demons and assessing a potential strategy for dealing with them.


Pretty much this. Long time ago I read a book named 'The Illuminati" by Larry Burkett that had elementary school age children breaking in to long winded soliloquies about the Liberals and how their policies destroy the world. Ten times more wacky than anything Rand ever wrote since Burkett adds in his fundamentalist Christian worldview. Throw in some anti-technology ranting and you've got grouchy-rightwing-uncle-in-a-book.

I bought the book because I enjoyed The Illuminatus Trilogy and thought it was similar. Wow, was I ever surprised by the difference. But it's worth reading just because it is so derpy and the writing is so bad (the author makes simple mistakes like not knowing how to spell 'Point Mugu' correctly). Amazon has it used for a penny plus shipping if you want a laugh.
2012-08-14 08:29:32 PM
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So did he deny her three times?
2012-08-14 08:27:56 PM
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The following are true statements that can be easily verified.

Paul Ryan has stated repeatedly that Ayn Rand is an inspiration to him. He strongly admires her philosophy and credits her with influencing him more than all others... he recently required that his aides read her work. This admiration is well documented.

Ayn Rand stated repeatedly that William Edward Hickman was an inspiration to her. She strongly admired his philosophy and based a major character on him... because he kidnapped, murdered, eviscerated and dismembered a twelve year old girl for money. This admiration was well documented.

The Republican candidate for vice-president is the same Paul Ryan. Be afraid.
He was hand picked after careful research by Mitt Romney. Be very afraid.
2012-08-14 08:24:43 PM
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lh4.googleusercontent.com
2012-08-14 08:02:35 PM
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Silly Jesus: How are they sociopaths? I assume you are talking about Galt and Dagny etc? I don't think that they are sociopaths at all. They very much respect those around them that aren't unfairly / unjustly asking / demanding something from them.


Her characters are sociopaths, by definition.

Her personal hero William Edward Hickman was in fact a sociopathic child murderer.

I thought you knew something about her?
2012-08-14 07:49:37 PM
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HeartBurnKid: 2x COMBO FILTERPWN!


finish him
2012-08-14 07:47:46 PM
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MayoSlather: MayoSlather: Lando Lincoln: Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer

I actually liked some of her essays...not in full but she'shiat and miss but she'shiat and miss on her philosophy. The misses are dreadful, but the hits are interesting and occasionally logically sound.

oops


2x COMBO FILTERPWN!
2012-08-14 07:33:00 PM
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Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Silly Jesus: Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."

I didn't have to read Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, or the Unibomber Manifesto either.


Why don't you have an open mind, LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIB?
2012-08-14 07:29:13 PM
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This another go-no where proposition. The only people in a red state like mine who know anything about Ayn Rand are the libertarians and liberals. Together they make up a few neighborhoods in Omaha. Everyone else is a believer in 0bama the time traveling secrit muslin usurper, who must be stopped at all costs.
2012-08-14 07:23:51 PM
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Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?


Apparently this is the thread for whiny butthurt Randroids.
2012-08-14 07:18:37 PM
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You're not a 19 year old who's gone to college.
You're a 42 year old who is apparently keen on being VP.

Bull. Shiat.
2012-08-14 07:18:11 PM
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Mercutio74: Who is Paul Ryan???


A collection of several trillion cells eager to do the US Chamber of Commerce's bidding. Some f*cking objectivist he turned out to be.
2012-08-14 07:14:13 PM
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WhyteRaven74: Fark You I'm Drunk: I'm pretty sure Neil Peart and obsessive Rush fanboys are the only reason there are people past the age of 19 who like Ayn Rand.

Actually Peart got past Rand ages ago.


Peart did, but a lot of his fans didn't. 2112/Anthem/Closer to the Heart is based on Rand, therefore Ayn Rand is the greatest thing ever.
2012-08-14 07:07:49 PM
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what if john galt was paul ryans grandfather?
2012-08-14 07:05:05 PM
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Gyrony: So from one of the worst minds of the 20th century to one of the worst minds of the 13th century?


Really? Planting your flag on the mental inferiority of Thomas Aquinas?

Interesting play.
2012-08-14 07:04:54 PM
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Rand remarked that the core idea for the book came to her after a 1943 telephone conversation with a friend, who asserted that Rand owed it to her readers to write a nonfiction book about her philosophy. Rand replied, "What if I went on strike? What if all the creative minds of the world went on strike?"

Really?

This is today's GOP go-to? Creative minds?

Please, get Adelson and Trump and Rove and the Koch's and Foster Friese and the rest of those scumsucking, greedy bastards to go on strike. Oh yeah, Mitt, too.

Please!

/Creative? Not really, no.
2012-08-14 07:03:37 PM
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Triumph: FTA:"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,"

God help us.


So from one of the worst minds of the 20th century to one of the worst minds of the 13th century?
Not an improvement by any measure...
2012-08-14 07:01:09 PM
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WhyteRaven74: Actually Peart got past Rand ages ago.


Too bad it didn't improve his drumming.

/Stewart Copeland
2012-08-14 06:59:22 PM
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cman: I've got an idea


Doubtful.
2012-08-14 06:49:25 PM
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The thing I always fail to understand about Rand is how intellectually bankrupt do you have to be to have books like The Fountainhead and Atlas Shrugged that are in all ways paeans to direct action, collective action and the wildcat strike and try with any seriousness to use them to argue against those very things?

Maybe it's just that Ayn Rand wasn't a very good writer and didn't realize her entire premise was intellectually bankrupt, and no amount of whining and having Galt draw dollar signs in the air with his cock would legitimize it?
2012-08-14 06:47:52 PM
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I read Atlas Shrugged in it's entirety.

Award please.

Seriously, you could edit it down to a dozen pages of socio-political commentary and leave out the endless monotony of head bashing illustrative examples and didactic soliloquies. It's a paiful read. If ever there was a call for only reading the Cliff Notes, this is that book.

And while I think there is *some* limited merit in some parts of objectivism as a socio-economic principle, it is a truly, truly. horrific way to guide your personal life. And watching the 'heroine' hop into the arms of whoever is the most advantageous man at the time makes Twilight's Bella seem like an empowered femenist role model.
2012-08-14 06:39:48 PM
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Dalrint: Because a man who would cast aside a lifetime of belief for a moment of power is the kind of man I would the trust the future to.

/No, I don't like Rand.
//But he's been her disciple for his entire adult life.
///What will he cast aside next?


His House seat?
2012-08-14 06:34:16 PM
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Weaver95: Philip Francis Queeg: Well now he's never going to be let into Galt's Gulch.

that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.


Nah, the Papists don't get raptured.
2012-08-14 06:32:19 PM
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Philip Francis Queeg: Well now he's never going to be let into Galt's Gulch.


that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.
2012-08-14 06:31:59 PM
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randomjsa: Yes, people grow up and embrace reality. Except the people who read socialist and communist literature, they never do.

Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.

Hopefully we can put an adult back in the WH in November.


You sound tired, random.
2012-08-14 06:28:00 PM
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Pocket Ninja: Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).

YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."


Then, Frodo and Sam travelled 800 miles to the elf forest. Along the way they were shot at, stabbed, and robbed. When they got to the elf forest, they started hearing an ethereal voice...

Kleais, toth misrai
plan onc crea,
Alathandor,
pis mo be ach

ophimar walam spala
uichinal hraman poar
spole aras framana ghil
khaten cheez bhurga

olomesh prenai
sepelet prenem
freisa jumit pargala
vog on po etri


Then there was a big battle, and a whole bunch of people got killed, and then Sam and Frodo crawled up Mount Doom and dropped the ring in, so that was pretty much that for the forces of Mordor. It made Aragorn so happy that he started singing a song in Elvish.

palathama spiin coh mon
peramana, kal lwath mai shon...


...and so on, for another 800 pages.
2012-08-14 05:37:42 PM
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I had to read the Fountainhead in high school, and the entire class pretty much agreed the author had to be clinically insane.
2012-08-14 05:36:02 PM
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Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: why do I not believe him....?

Could you step in here for a moment?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 200x153]


no. that room is wall to wall 'hello kitty' and I left my flame thrower at home.
2012-08-14 05:25:56 PM
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I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.

The percentage will go up slightly higher for books by Orwell, but not by much.
2012-08-14 04:59:58 PM
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I read The Fountainhead in my early 20s on a good friend's recommendation, with no real preconceptions of her work or philosophy. It's one of those books that you actually get angry at the author for 1) rambling for pages and pages about utter unrealistic nonsense and pretending it's wisdom; and 2) being a terrible writer on every level while doing that.

If you're going to feed me crap, make it entertaining crap. Rand couldn't even do that. I felt like taking a shower to get that book off me when I was done. Horrible characters, horrible philosophy, just a total disaster of a book. I have heard Atlas Shrugged is better but I'd probably prefer just taking an icepick to my eyeballs rather than try.
 
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