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2012-08-14 08:26:18 PM
When Upton Sinclaire wrote his thinly veiled polemic of how great communism was, he wrote about interesting characters that engaged us in their conflict. Rand couldn't even set her books in the real world.
 
2012-08-14 08:27:09 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on

Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."


A "great deal?" How many? Out of the first 50? Can you point some out? What I see is mostly, I HAVE read Rand, and she is BS"

Hell, just point out ONE


Grand_Moff_Joseph: Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?


Second post in thread.
 
2012-08-14 08:27:45 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Silly Jesus: Curse of the Goth Kids: Silly Jesus: One of her heroes, Hugh Akston, leaves his position as a philosopher and works at a roadside diner. He could probably muster up a sandwich.

Yeah, provided the Sysco truck shows up on time.

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Again, I said at the outset that I like her ideas in theory, but don't necessarily believe that they would work in the real world.

Then we agree that you're a little old to be believing in leprechauns. Glad to hear it.


Not following. Oh well.
 
2012-08-14 08:27:56 PM
The following are true statements that can be easily verified.

Paul Ryan has stated repeatedly that Ayn Rand is an inspiration to him. He strongly admires her philosophy and credits her with influencing him more than all others... he recently required that his aides read her work. This admiration is well documented.

Ayn Rand stated repeatedly that William Edward Hickman was an inspiration to her. She strongly admired his philosophy and based a major character on him... because he kidnapped, murdered, eviscerated and dismembered a twelve year old girl for money. This admiration was well documented.

The Republican candidate for vice-president is the same Paul Ryan. Be afraid.
He was hand picked after careful research by Mitt Romney. Be very afraid.
 
2012-08-14 08:28:18 PM

Paul Baumer: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 525x719]


Y'know, that's probably the most interesting one of those I've seen yet. Well done, sir or madam as the case may be.
 
2012-08-14 08:29:32 PM
So did he deny her three times?
 
2012-08-14 08:29:55 PM

t3knomanser: spongeboob: Please tell me what Communist and or Socialist Literature is?

Anything that talks about the concerns of the poor, or how society should work together to care for the least fortunate. So, y'know, the Gospels.


Well Jesus was a long haired bearded sandal wearing migrant, sounds like a hippie to me and all hippies are de facto commies right?
 
2012-08-14 08:31:08 PM

Fark You I'm Drunk: WhyteRaven74: Fark You I'm Drunk: I'm pretty sure Neil Peart and obsessive Rush fanboys are the only reason there are people past the age of 19 who like Ayn Rand.

Actually Peart got past Rand ages ago.

Peart did, but a lot of his fans didn't. 2112/Anthem/Closer to the Heart is based on Rand, therefore Ayn Rand is the greatest thing ever.


Rush sent Rand Paul a Cease and Desist letter, in a moment of epic lulz.
 
2012-08-14 08:32:33 PM

peasandcarrots: I can almost always tell a modern objectivist writer by the way they write children. For some reason, children in objectivist books don't just talk like full-grown adults, but they talk like fully-actualized well-rounded intelligent adults who are capable of unpacking and analyzing all their inner demons and assessing a potential strategy for dealing with them.


Pretty much this. Long time ago I read a book named 'The Illuminati" by Larry Burkett that had elementary school age children breaking in to long winded soliloquies about the Liberals and how their policies destroy the world. Ten times more wacky than anything Rand ever wrote since Burkett adds in his fundamentalist Christian worldview. Throw in some anti-technology ranting and you've got grouchy-rightwing-uncle-in-a-book.

I bought the book because I enjoyed The Illuminatus Trilogy and thought it was similar. Wow, was I ever surprised by the difference. But it's worth reading just because it is so derpy and the writing is so bad (the author makes simple mistakes like not knowing how to spell 'Point Mugu' correctly). Amazon has it used for a penny plus shipping if you want a laugh.
 
2012-08-14 08:33:22 PM

Mad_Radhu: So did he deny her three times?


OK. It's long been a stated goal of mine to open a restaurant simply for the sake of offering a Friday lunch special: deny the divinity of Christ and receive $1.00 off the price of your lunch.

As of now, the Tuesday special will officially be the same thing but for Ayn Rand instead of Jesus.
 
2012-08-14 08:33:26 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Paul Baumer: [lh4.googleusercontent.com image 525x719]

Y'know, that's probably the most interesting one of those I've seen yet. Well done, sir or madam as the case may be.


Bei Danke - I am no Pocket Ninja, but I did one earlier that was well recieved - but I won't mind if you don't like it.

lh6.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-08-14 08:34:06 PM
Had a friend in college who had as his .sig "Who is John Galt?"

Finally got around to asking him WTF John Galt was and he just kept saying "exactly!".

That and the Bob the Angry Flower is all I care to know about her writings.
 
2012-08-14 08:35:03 PM

Britney Spear's Speculum: FTA:"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,"

Funny how he
1) Just came to this realization "just now"
2) It is now derpy to like and also denounce Ayn Rand......Double yew, tee, eff


Even funnier is how un-Ryan-like the philosophies of Thomas Aquinas are:
For it matters not whether one has the grace of tongues, or the gift of faith, or any other gift such as prophecy; these do not bring life without charity.
 
2012-08-14 08:36:37 PM
Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,
 
2012-08-14 08:37:29 PM
Whether he publicly denounces her sh*t or not, the dude is still creepy.

Both of them, really. Yeah, that's your "alternative" to Obama, all right.

Because apparently he's been f*cking up or something.
 
2012-08-14 08:41:40 PM

Without Fail: The following are true statements that can be easily verified.

Paul Ryan has stated repeatedly that Ayn Rand is an inspiration to him. He strongly admires her philosophy and credits her with influencing him more than all others... he recently required that his aides read her work. This admiration is well documented.

Ayn Rand stated repeatedly that William Edward Hickman was an inspiration to her. She strongly admired his philosophy and based a major character on him... because he kidnapped, murdered, eviscerated and dismembered a twelve year old girl for money. This admiration was well documented.

The Republican candidate for vice-president is the same Paul Ryan. Be afraid.
He was hand picked after careful research by Mitt Romney. Be very afraid.


Keep farkin that chicken.

In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?
 
2012-08-14 08:45:42 PM

MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,


I didn't know that I had planned to do that. I'll have to get back to you.

Ya know, if someone's ideas mostly line up with a certain party, they must therefore believe in everything that that party has ever said or proposed. That's how it works, right? Derp.
 
2012-08-14 08:46:54 PM

ps69: What happened to that trend of "Going Galt" that was reported to be widespread on Fox News shortly after Obama was elected and was being threatened by all the captains of industry who ran everything from right wing blogs to far right wing blogs. Did anyone make good on that promise, or did they sit back and collect their share of the massively growing corporate profits and continued low tax rate?


Also, if we increase taxes as much as Obama wants to (to somewhat less than 90s levels), we'll have massive capital flight and another round of Job Creators going Galt. Just like we did in the 90s.
 
2012-08-14 08:46:59 PM

Silly Jesus: In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?


Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.
 
2012-08-14 08:50:40 PM

Parthenogenetic: Silly Jesus: In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.


No kidding. What masochistic type would spent that much energy defending such a laughable pile of ideologically selfish (and badly written) garbage?

Rhetorical question, mind you....
 
2012-08-14 08:50:41 PM

Parthenogenetic:
Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.


I dunno, I'd say that depends on how handy he is with a shovel.
 
2012-08-14 08:51:21 PM

Silly Jesus: MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,

I didn't know that I had planned to do that. I'll have to get back to you.

Ya know, if someone's ideas mostly line up with a certain party, they must therefore believe in everything that that party has ever said or proposed. That's how it works, right? Derp.


Well now you've got me curious. How do you square personally believing in a personal ID requirement with the tenets of Libertarianism that you DO like?
 
2012-08-14 08:51:23 PM

Silly Jesus: MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,

I didn't know that I had planned to do that. I'll have to get back to you.

Ya know, if someone's ideas mostly line up with a certain party, they must therefore believe in everything that that party has ever said or proposed. That's how it works, right? Derp.


Ah, you are a LINO then. Should have know a real Libertarian was too to hope for.
 
2012-08-14 08:51:44 PM
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This is a pretty good book.

Anyone whose first exposure to Rand is through this book is always really, really, really, really, really disappointed with the rest of her oeuvre.
 
2012-08-14 08:52:57 PM

Teufelaffe: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?

It's pretty derpy. Bad writing and the purest form of the "I've got mine, fark you" philosophy. If you're in the mood for an author with Objectivist leanings, try The Sword of Truth series by Terry Goodkind. Much better writing, and he manages to hide his "Individualism GOOOD, collectivism BAAAD" pretty well until the fourth or fifth book.


That was my experience. However, his villains and heroes are all caricatures. Even in the first book. Richard Cypher/Rahl was a paragon of virtue while Darken Rahl was so unbelievably evil just for the sake of being evil.

I think it was the fifth book (Soul of the Fire) where the Objectivism became apparent, and the next one (Faith of the Fallen) was Terry Goodkind's attempt to beat his readers over the head with Atlas Shrugged. Seeing that Goodkind was heavily influenced by Ayn Rand affected the quality of the entire series, even those books where it isn't apparent.

/read the entire series.
//sucked after Temple of the Winds
///got even worse after Chainfire
////barely finished the series
//unemployment gave me a lot of free time
 
2012-08-14 08:53:09 PM

TV's Vinnie: BojanglesPaladin: Although in Fairness, Moore based Rorschach on the Question anyway, so....

A cute little side-story was when The Question first heard about the Rorschach character, identified with him, and tried to emulate him.

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By the end of the story, The Question came to the obvious conclusion...........

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Rorschach was the way he was because Moore thought the Question and Mr. A were annoying, idiotic prats. So, like many characters Moore creates to skewer things, they're extreme. Apparently, after Watchmen, Ditko was asked if he knew about Rorschach; he said that yes, the character was like Mr. A, only insane.

To be equally fair, as much as I like Moore, 'V' was just as stupid as Mr. A. Just as many of the tenants of Ditko's Objectivism aren't workable in the real world, many of the tenants of Moore's anarchist philosophy in 'V for Vendetta' aren't workable, either.

Hint: the problem isn't the philosophy, guys. It's that fact that humans suck and many will either ignore or try to game your 'perfect moral system'.
 
2012-08-14 08:53:51 PM

whidbey: Parthenogenetic: Silly Jesus: In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.

No kidding. What masochistic type would spent that much energy defending such a laughable pile of ideologically selfish (and badly written) garbage?

blogs-images.forbes.com

Rhetorical question, mind you....


Oh.
 
2012-08-14 08:54:35 PM

Parthenogenetic: Silly Jesus: In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

Good effort on the white knighting, but she's not going to sleep with you, you know.


But she's so farking hot!
 
2012-08-14 08:55:35 PM
In "Coming to America," the Princes renounces the throne of Zamunda to prove to the girl his love, but he ends up getting the girl, and taking his rightful place next to the thone.
 
2012-08-14 08:56:10 PM

MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus: MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,

I didn't know that I had planned to do that. I'll have to get back to you.

Ya know, if someone's ideas mostly line up with a certain party, they must therefore believe in everything that that party has ever said or proposed. That's how it works, right? Derp.

Ah, you are a LINO then. Should have know a real Libertarian was too to hope for.


So only real Libertarians / Democrats / Republicans believe every single idea of said party? Interesting.
 
2012-08-14 08:56:20 PM

Silly Jesus: Without Fail: The following are true statements that can be easily verified.

Paul Ryan has stated repeatedly that Ayn Rand is an inspiration to him. He strongly admires her philosophy and credits her with influencing him more than all others... he recently required that his aides read her work. This admiration is well documented.

Ayn Rand stated repeatedly that William Edward Hickman was an inspiration to her. She strongly admired his philosophy and based a major character on him... because he kidnapped, murdered, eviscerated and dismembered a twelve year old girl for money. This admiration was well documented.

The Republican candidate for vice-president is the same Paul Ryan. Be afraid.
He was hand picked after careful research by Mitt Romney. Be very afraid.

Keep farkin that chicken.

In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?


/You're a gallant defender, but she still won't sleep with you.
//But only because she's dead
///If she was alive, though, she would totally bone you.
 
2012-08-14 08:59:49 PM

Paul Baumer: Silly Jesus: MinkeyMan: Silly Jesus:

Hurrah! An honest-to-goodness Libertarian. They're always funny, Ask him/her about how exactly their plan to do away with all forms of personal identification is going to work. Thats usually good for a giggle,

I didn't know that I had planned to do that. I'll have to get back to you.

Ya know, if someone's ideas mostly line up with a certain party, they must therefore believe in everything that that party has ever said or proposed. That's how it works, right? Derp.

Well now you've got me curious. How do you square personally believing in a personal ID requirement with the tenets of Libertarianism that you DO like?


I don't follow the straw man that you seem to be setting up.
 
2012-08-14 09:00:05 PM

Fark You I'm Drunk: Silly Jesus: Yes. Believe it or not the only discussion about Mein Kampf isn't "Hitler bad", "I agree", "OK, next book."

"Hey, I think that Hitler guy was on to something"?


i.dailymail.co.uk

//Thought Hitler had some good ideas
// But marijuana turned us into peace loving hippies.
 
2012-08-14 09:00:23 PM
FAN RADIAN FACT #2617: AYAN RAND WAS A FAN OF A CHILD ABDUCTOR AND SERIAL KILLER:

http://atheism.about.com/b/2011/05/11/ayn-rand-sociopath-who-admired - a -serial-killer.htm

http://exiledonline.com/atlas-shrieked-why-ayn-rands-right-wing-follo w ers-are-scarier-than-the-manson-family-and-the-gruesome-story-of-the-s erial-killer-who-stole-ayn-rands-heart/


www.peikoff.commurderpedia.org
exiledonline.com

"Hickman kidnapped Parker on December 15, 1927, by appearing at her junior high school, claiming that her father, Perry Parker, was ill, and that he wanted to see his daughter. He did not realize there were twin Parker daughters, and did not know either child's name, but the school administrator turned one of the girls over to him. The next day Hickman sent the first of three ransom notes to the Parker home, demanding $1,500 in $20 gold certificates.

On December 19, Parker delivered the ransom in Los Angeles but in return Hickman delivered the girl's dismembered body. Her arms and legs had been severed and her internal organs removed. A towel stuffed into her body to absorb blood led police to Hickman's apartment building, but he managed to escape. A $100,000 reward was offered for his capture, and for nearly a week Hickman eluded authorities."


Yep. This is the guy that Ayn patterned John Galt after because of his "rebel who lives by his own rules" attitude.
 
2012-08-14 09:00:54 PM
poor bastard is in omaha

farm5.static.flickr.com

i got 25 pages into atlas shrugged once but then literally shrugged and said 'this is stupid and poorly written.'
 
2012-08-14 09:02:02 PM

Huggermugger: Silly Jesus: Without Fail: The following are true statements that can be easily verified.

Paul Ryan has stated repeatedly that Ayn Rand is an inspiration to him. He strongly admires her philosophy and credits her with influencing him more than all others... he recently required that his aides read her work. This admiration is well documented.

Ayn Rand stated repeatedly that William Edward Hickman was an inspiration to her. She strongly admired his philosophy and based a major character on him... because he kidnapped, murdered, eviscerated and dismembered a twelve year old girl for money. This admiration was well documented.

The Republican candidate for vice-president is the same Paul Ryan. Be afraid.
He was hand picked after careful research by Mitt Romney. Be very afraid.

Keep farkin that chicken.

In 1928, the writer Ayn Rand began planning a novel called The Little Street, whose hero, Danny Renahan, was to be based on "what Hickman suggested to [her]." The novel was never finished, but Rand wrote notes for it which were published after her death in the book Journals of Ayn Rand. Rand wanted the hero of her novel to be "A Hickman with a purpose. And without the degeneracy. It is more exact to say that the model is not Hickman, but what Hickman suggested to me."[3] Rand scholars Chris Matthew Sciabarra and Jennifer Burns both interpret Rand's interest in Hickman as a sign of her early admiration of the ideas of Friedrich Nietzsche, especially since she several times referred to Hickman as a "Superman" (in the Nietzschean sense).[4][5]

Link

You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

/You're a gallant defender, but she still won't sleep with you.
//But only because she's dead
///If she was alive, though, she would totally bone you.


You are making my pants get tight in my special region.
 
2012-08-14 09:02:03 PM
Hey guys, Attila the Hun may not have been 100% bad, only mostly but you know some good stuff also.

Also, I don't understand your earthman ways.
 
2012-08-14 09:04:08 PM

Lando Lincoln: HellRaisingHoosier: Is this legitimately what the book is about? I've never read it, or even a summary of it. We need to figure out a way to make all the bankers and CEO's leave. They've been farking a lot of shiat up.

Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer.

SparkNotes: Atlas Shrugged


Summary of the summary: "In an environment of worsening economic conditions, Dagny Taggart, vice president in charge of operations, works to repair Taggart Transcontinental's crumbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz "
 
2012-08-14 09:05:23 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.


...once you get done summarizing the book and its thesis, what are you going to do for the other 1:45, talk about rape? I've never before in my life read a thousand-page book that had so little to say. Goddamn Twilight had more of a point.
 
2012-08-14 09:07:40 PM

Silly Jesus: Jaws_Victim: What, Ayn Rand thread and no one posts the classic sequel?

Allow me:
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idsfa: Seriously?

This long and no one (that I am not ignoring) posted it?

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That would be clever, if the person who drew it had read the book. One of her heroes, Hugh Akston, leaves his position as a philosopher and works at a roadside diner. He could probably muster up a sandwich. There are plenty of other examples of her heroes accomplishing menial tasks.

This is the greater point that I was getting at up thread. Everyone thinks that they can just not read the book and form a reasoned opinion on her philosophy based on silly cartoons which would seem absurd to anyone who had actually read the damn thing.

Stupid cartoon is stupid.


The point of the cartoon isn't LITERALLY that the heroes can't make lunch, silly poster. The point is that the novel has a flawed premise, they can leave society forever but without the "stupid" laborer who isn't a billionaire to do your dirty work, you are forced to do it and become the laborer yourself. This is instead of being Titans of industry with mansions, servants, cooks, and drivers to do everything for them. No rich person is going to abandon their comfortable lifestyle and live in a shack because the government attempted to raise taxes (or the laughable plot of the novel where the government pretty much takes over everything and screws it all up and corporations are poor, harmless victims who only do good for their work force.)

Rand boils down to, I got mine, don't you farking touch it. This is delightful, if you're a psychopath.

/yes, I did read the novel
//my grade school education leads to the opinions above, pick it apart English Majors. now is your time to shine
 
2012-08-14 09:07:58 PM

Silly Jesus: You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?


Listen, idiot, read the Journals of Ayn Rand read the quotes that she made to newspapers AT THAT TIME.
As I said, it is easily verifiable. Can you actually think for yourself? Here

She actually said, repeatedly, that she admired him. She said:

[William Hickman's trial] is the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul... A strong man can eventually trample society under his feet. He was not strong enough. But is that his crime? That he was not able to serve, when he felt worthy to rule; to obey, when he wanted to command? He was superior and he wanted to live as such - and his is the one thing society does not permit.

That's a quote. Get it? She admired him because he wasn't bound by morals and ethos and she considered him a superman. This isn't secret stuff, her writings gush about the guy. And Ryan gushes about her.

Quit projecting. Read the facts for yourself.
 
2012-08-14 09:09:10 PM

Omahawg: poor bastard is in omaha

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i got 25 pages into atlas shrugged once but then literally shrugged and said 'this is stupid and poorly written.'


No surprise since that's in the "rich white and conservative" part of town
 
2012-08-14 09:16:19 PM

Jaws_Victim: Silly Jesus: Jaws_Victim: What, Ayn Rand thread and no one posts the classic sequel?

Allow me:
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idsfa: Seriously?

This long and no one (that I am not ignoring) posted it?

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That would be clever, if the person who drew it had read the book. One of her heroes, Hugh Akston, leaves his position as a philosopher and works at a roadside diner. He could probably muster up a sandwich. There are plenty of other examples of her heroes accomplishing menial tasks.

This is the greater point that I was getting at up thread. Everyone thinks that they can just not read the book and form a reasoned opinion on her philosophy based on silly cartoons which would seem absurd to anyone who had actually read the damn thing.

Stupid cartoon is stupid.

The point of the cartoon isn't LITERALLY that the heroes can't make lunch, silly poster. The point is that the novel has a flawed premise, they can leave society forever but without the "stupid" laborer who isn't a billionaire to do your dirty work, you are forced to do it and become the laborer yourself. This is instead of being Titans of industry with mansions, servants, cooks, and drivers to do everything for them. No rich person is going to abandon their comfortable lifestyle and live in a shack because the government attempted to raise taxes (or the laughable plot of the novel where the government pretty much takes over everything and screws it all up and corporations are poor, harmless victims who only do good for their work force.)

Rand boils down to, I got mine, don't you farking touch it. This is delightful, if you're a psychopath.

/yes, I did read the novel
//my grade school education leads to the opinions above, pick it apart English Majors. now is your time to shine


Either we read different books or you forgot a great deal bout Galt's Gulch.
 
2012-08-14 09:19:22 PM

Without Fail: Silly Jesus: You are right, on the most base level. The level that a 5 year old just learning to read would interpret her thoughts and actions vis-a-vis Hickman.

You have any criticisms of her actual work, or do you just enjoy asinine talking points?

Listen, idiot, read the Journals of Ayn Rand read the quotes that she made to newspapers AT THAT TIME.
As I said, it is easily verifiable. Can you actually think for yourself? Here

She actually said, repeatedly, that she admired him. She said:

[William Hickman's trial] is the amazing picture of a man with no regard whatever for all that society holds sacred, and with a consciousness all his own. A man who really stands alone, in action and in soul... A strong man can eventually trample society under his feet. He was not strong enough. But is that his crime? That he was not able to serve, when he felt worthy to rule; to obey, when he wanted to command? He was superior and he wanted to live as such - and his is the one thing society does not permit.

That's a quote. Get it? She admired him because he wasn't bound by morals and ethos and she considered him a superman. This isn't secret stuff, her writings gush about the guy. And Ryan gushes about her.

Quit projecting. Read the facts for yourself.


Ooh, you mad.

Sorry that your reading comprehension is so lacking. Maybe it will pass.

Good day sir.
 
2012-08-14 09:20:28 PM
Somewhere hidden inside the collected works of Ayn Rand there's a 2 page pamphlet of interesting ideas trying to force its way out. The trouble is the other 1998 pages.
 
2012-08-14 09:22:20 PM

Curse of the Goth Kids: Hey guys, Attila the Hun may not have been 100% bad, only mostly but you know some good stuff also.

Also, I don't understand your earthman ways.


Neither do you understand my advanced technology.

It is a thing of great sadness.

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IP
2012-08-14 09:22:39 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).

YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."


I bow to your magnificence, good sir (or madam).
 
2012-08-14 09:23:31 PM

Silly Jesus: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on

Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."


A "great deal?" How many? Out of the first 50? Can you point some out? What I see is mostly, I HAVE read Rand, and she is BS"

Hell, just point out ONE

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?

Second post in thread.


He was asking if it was bad, he did not say it was or that he hated it or Rand

I guess you have to play ignorant to back up your lie
 
2012-08-14 09:28:47 PM

Silly Jesus: Jaws_Victim: Silly Jesus: Jaws_Victim: What, Ayn Rand thread and no one posts the classic sequel?

Allow me:
[1.bp.blogspot.com image 790x416]

idsfa: Seriously?

This long and no one (that I am not ignoring) posted it?

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 790x416]



That would be clever, if the person who drew it had read the book. One of her heroes, Hugh Akston, leaves his position as a philosopher and works at a roadside diner. He could probably muster up a sandwich. There are plenty of other examples of her heroes accomplishing menial tasks.

This is the greater point that I was getting at up thread. Everyone thinks that they can just not read the book and form a reasoned opinion on her philosophy based on silly cartoons which would seem absurd to anyone who had actually read the damn thing.

Stupid cartoon is stupid.

The point of the cartoon isn't LITERALLY that the heroes can't make lunch, silly poster. The point is that the novel has a flawed premise, they can leave society forever but without the "stupid" laborer who isn't a billionaire to do your dirty work, you are forced to do it and become the laborer yourself. This is instead of being Titans of industry with mansions, servants, cooks, and drivers to do everything for them. No rich person is going to abandon their comfortable lifestyle and live in a shack because the government attempted to raise taxes (or the laughable plot of the novel where the government pretty much takes over everything and screws it all up and corporations are poor, harmless victims who only do good for their work force.)

Rand boils down to, I got mine, don't you farking touch it. This is delightful, if you're a psychopath.

/yes, I did read the novel
//my grade school education leads to the opinions above, pick it apart English Majors. now is your time to shine

Either we read different books or you forgot a great deal bout Galt's Gulch.


So what? "I used to be a Titan of Steel manufacturing, now I bake bread! Oh how much better life is now that I'm not forced to give my recipe for stronger lighter steel to the world at large for its many uses! WHAT ABOUT MY PROFIT MARGIN?"

It was pretty hard to read though, what with my eyes constantly rolling.
 
2012-08-14 09:31:25 PM
From Objectivist to Jesuit is not much of an improvement.
 
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