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(New York Daily News)   Paul Ryan renounces Ayn Rand, like most readers did when they were 19   (nydailynews.com) divider line 420
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2012-08-14 07:14:13 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Fark You I'm Drunk: I'm pretty sure Neil Peart and obsessive Rush fanboys are the only reason there are people past the age of 19 who like Ayn Rand.

Actually Peart got past Rand ages ago.


Peart did, but a lot of his fans didn't. 2112/Anthem/Closer to the Heart is based on Rand, therefore Ayn Rand is the greatest thing ever.
 
2012-08-14 07:14:43 PM  
Maybe we could get Ryan and Romney to go Galt? I promise I won't look for them.
 
2012-08-14 07:16:08 PM  
Who is Paul Ryan???
 
2012-08-14 07:17:36 PM  
Anthem is a hacktacular ripoff of Yevgeny Zamyatin's We. That is all.
 
2012-08-14 07:18:11 PM  

Mercutio74: Who is Paul Ryan???


A collection of several trillion cells eager to do the US Chamber of Commerce's bidding. Some f*cking objectivist he turned out to be.
 
2012-08-14 07:18:30 PM  

gittlebass: what if john galt was paul ryans grandfather?


Wait now, who is John Galt? The guy with the Big Blue Ox?

No, that was some other mythical dude.

/Paul something
 
2012-08-14 07:18:37 PM  
You're not a 19 year old who's gone to college.
You're a 42 year old who is apparently keen on being VP.

Bull. Shiat.
 
2012-08-14 07:19:29 PM  
Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.
 
2012-08-14 07:20:05 PM  

Fano: A man chooses. A slave obeys. Good for Ryan. I plan on moving to his undersea land any day now.


You should bring your little sister.
 
2012-08-14 07:23:04 PM  

BojanglesPaladin: Gyrony: So from one of the worst minds of the 20th century to one of the worst minds of the 13th century?

Really? Planting your flag on the mental inferiority of Thomas Aquinas?

Interesting play.


not the mental inferiority, the ideological inferiority.
 
2012-08-14 07:23:51 PM  

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?


Apparently this is the thread for whiny butthurt Randroids.
 
2012-08-14 07:24:53 PM  

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.


Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on
 
2012-08-14 07:24:57 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Getting into public service means your paycheck depends on taxpayers, which kinda doesn't jive with what Rand advocated.


Doesn't she spend about 300 pages of The Fountainhead making fun of Catherine Halsey for believing in the value of public service?
 
2012-08-14 07:26:04 PM  

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.


Yes, meet the Randroid formula.

"Well,you obviously haven't read it, because if you had then you'd understand it and then you'd agree with it."

"Yeah...I've read it, it's garbage."

"Well, obviously you're not intelligent enough to understand it, because if you were then you'd agree with it."
 
2012-08-14 07:26:57 PM  

Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on


Then you didn't read the first 50 posts. So you're either lying or unable to recognize relity because it doesn't match up to your expectation of how life is supposed to work.

Yep, meets the "Silly Jesus" formula.

Fark off unless you have something substantive to add.
 
2012-08-14 07:28:52 PM  
M

Huggermugger: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Yes, meet the Randroid formula.

"Well,you obviously haven't read it, because if you had then you'd understand it and then you'd agree with it."

"Yeah...I've read it, it's garbage."

"Well, obviously you're not intelligent enough to understand it, because if you were then you'd agree with it."


Sounds like my dad. He's 65. It's one of the reasons I don't go visit very often. (Mom thinks she's Dr. Laura. That's actually worse.)
 
2012-08-14 07:29:13 PM  
This another go-no where proposition. The only people in a red state like mine who know anything about Ayn Rand are the libertarians and liberals. Together they make up a few neighborhoods in Omaha. Everyone else is a believer in 0bama the time traveling secrit muslin usurper, who must be stopped at all costs.
 
2012-08-14 07:29:21 PM  
If she wanted to write a book about her philosophy, she should have done that and not cloaked it in fictional characters and idealistic situations.
 
2012-08-14 07:29:59 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on


Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."
 
2012-08-14 07:30:28 PM  

meat0918: If she wanted to write a book about her philosophy, she should have done that and not cloaked it in fictional characters and idealistic situations.


But that would have only made it more ridiculous and impossible to take seriously.
 
2012-08-14 07:31:38 PM  
It's so important that we go back to our roots to look at Ayn Rand's vision, her writings, to see what our girding, under-grounding [sic] principles are. I always go back to, you know, Francisco d'Anconia's speech (at Bill Taggart's wedding) on money when I think about monetary policy.

Wow, it's been a long time since I read Rand's novels so I forgot all about Francisco d'Anconia. I've got to ask, what kind of farking bunghole gives a speech about money at a wedding? She's writing a fantasy world in which she can make the heroes perfect in every way and the villians as terrible as she wants. So she makes one of the heroes give a windbag speech at someone's wedding? Yeah, everyone has that one uncle who farks things up during the toast but usually his drunk ass is quickly pulled off stage by his wife. Certainly not the kind of thing you'd celebrate as being heroic.
 
2012-08-14 07:32:09 PM  

Huggermugger: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Yes, meet the Randroid formula.

"Well,you obviously haven't read it, because if you had then you'd understand it and then you'd agree with it."

"Yeah...I've read it, it's garbage."

"Well, obviously you're not intelligent enough to understand it, because if you were then you'd agree with it."


Not what I was saying.

I was simply pointing out that most people who hate it haven't read it. I have respect for those that have read it and don't agree with it...I was only speaking to those that say "I haven't even heard of her, but libs seem to hate her, so I do too, derp."

/I've read most of her stuff. I like it in theory, but admit that it wouldn't work in reality. Much like those that like communism in theory but acknowledge that it's unworkable in the real world.
 
2012-08-14 07:32:34 PM  

Silly Jesus: Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."


I didn't have to read Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, or the Unibomber Manifesto either.
 
2012-08-14 07:33:00 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Silly Jesus: Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."

I didn't have to read Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, or the Unibomber Manifesto either.


Why don't you have an open mind, LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIB?
 
2012-08-14 07:33:46 PM  

timujin: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on

Then you didn't read the first 50 posts. So you're either lying or unable to recognize relity because it doesn't match up to your expectation of how life is supposed to work.

Yep, meets the "Silly Jesus" formula.

Fark off unless you have something substantive to add.


www.damnlol.com
 
2012-08-14 07:34:45 PM  

verbaltoxin: This another go-no where proposition. The only people in a red state like mine who know anything about Ayn Rand are the libertarians and liberals. Together they make up a few neighborhoods in Omaha. Everyone else is a believer in 0bama the time traveling secrit muslin usurper, who must be stopped at all costs.


It wasn't to appease anyone, but a preemptive attempt to deflect any possible negative ads that stem from Rand being an atheist.

Being associated with an atheist is about the worst thing a politician can do.

It's not going to help, because he just fed the flip flop narrative.
 
2012-08-14 07:35:04 PM  

Zagloba: Anthem is a hacktacular ripoff of Yevgeny Zamyatin's We. That is all.


You're right, but Anthem remains remarkable because it a) is a readable length, and b) completely conveys the entirety of Rand's philosophical underpinnings.

With Atlas and Fountainhead, you've gotta wonder if she was getting paid by the word. Also, the fact that a short novella can communicate the entirety of Rand's philosophical depth tells you all you need to know about it.

I do find it interesting to see Ryan talk about Aquinas- Rand and Aquinas both have something in common: neither one of them understood Aristotle worth a damn.
 
2012-08-14 07:35:31 PM  

HellRaisingHoosier: Is this legitimately what the book is about? I've never read it, or even a summary of it. We need to figure out a way to make all the bankers and CEO's leave. They've been farking a lot of shiat up.


Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer.

SparkNotes: Atlas Shrugged
 
2012-08-14 07:36:06 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Silly Jesus: Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."

I didn't have to read Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, or the Unibomber Manifesto either.


I read the first two so that I could discuss them intelligently. I guess that standard doesn't hold true for most people.
 
2012-08-14 07:36:21 PM  

Silly Jesus: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on

Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."


Citation? Because I don't see that. Unless you consider 4 out of 50 to be a "great deal of the comments." And those were only, "I haven't read it," no "she's an idiot and her ideas are BS." Lying is becoming second nature to you, it seems.
 
2012-08-14 07:37:14 PM  
So he finally figured out she was an atheist?
 
2012-08-14 07:38:14 PM  
 
2012-08-14 07:39:56 PM  

Silly Jesus: I read the first two so that I could discuss them intelligently.


Discussing Mein Kampf and the Turner Diaries 'intelligently'.

hahahaohwow.jpg
 
2012-08-14 07:40:06 PM  

Silly Jesus: Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."


Her heroes are sociopaths.
 
2012-08-14 07:40:54 PM  

Gimmick: The plot of Atlas Shrugged in 12 seconds.


socialeyezer.com
 
2012-08-14 07:41:03 PM  

Gyrony: Triumph: FTA:"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,"

God help us.

So from one of the worst minds of the 20th century to one of the worst minds of the 13th century?
Not an improvement by any measure...


Worst minds of the century, eh? Not really in either case. When I wrote "God help us," I was making a joke about what Aquinas believed.
 
2012-08-14 07:41:15 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Silly Jesus: I read the first two so that I could discuss them intelligently.

Discussing Mein Kampf and the Turner Diaries 'intelligently'.

hahahaohwow.jpg


How to discuss those books intelligently:

"They're psychotic bullshiat written by evil pieces of human waste. The end. Go read something worth your time."
 
2012-08-14 07:42:55 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer


I actually liked some of her essays...not in full but she'shiat and miss on her philosophy. The misses are dreadful, but the hits are interesting and occasionally logically sound.
 
2012-08-14 07:44:47 PM  

timujin: Silly Jesus: Lionel Mandrake: Silly Jesus: Is this the thread where people who have never read a book, much less understand the basic ideas contained therein, bash it because that's what all the cool libtard trolls do?

*reads first 50 posts*

Yep, meets the Fark formula.

Carry on.

Is this the thread where some Randian shows up and issues a blank dismissal of criticism by simply assuming none of the critics have ever read Rand (because if they did, they would know what a great intellectual and writer she was)?

Yep, carry on

Yes, because a great deal of the comments don't begin with "I've never read or heard of Rand, but I think she's an idiot and her ideas are BS."

Citation? Because I don't see that. Unless you consider 4 out of 50 to be a "great deal of the comments." And those were only, "I haven't read it," no "she's an idiot and her ideas are BS." Lying is becoming second nature to you, it seems.


You're right. Everyone is having a reasoned discussion concerning the merit of specific aspects of her philosophy and not being reactionary drones with knee-jerk reactions to the very mention of the horrible Rand.
 
2012-08-14 07:44:48 PM  
I'm anxiously awaiting another Limbaugh meltdown about Bioshock being developed by libs and intentionally including a character named "Ryan" creating a Randian dystopia in order to influence the 2012 election, like the rant about Bain/Bane Batman movie thing.
 
2012-08-14 07:44:56 PM  

MayoSlather: Lando Lincoln: Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer

I actually liked some of her essays...not in full but she'shiat and miss but she'shiat and miss on her philosophy. The misses are dreadful, but the hits are interesting and occasionally logically sound.


oops
 
2012-08-14 07:45:24 PM  

A Dark Evil Omen: "They're psychotic bullshiat written by evil pieces of human waste. The end. Go read something worth your time."


"You're a poor downtrodden white Christian male? Don't worry, nothing is ever your fault! All the reward you rightfully deserve for all that hard work you did, it all went to the Jews. Or the blacks and the Jews. Or the leeches who may or may also not be Jewish."
 
2012-08-14 07:46:26 PM  

MayoSlather: MayoSlather: Lando Lincoln: Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer

I actually liked some of her essays...not in full but she'shiat and miss but she'shiat and miss on her philosophy. The misses are dreadful, but the hits are interesting and occasionally logically sound.

oops


I guess fark autocorrect insists I'm wrong.
 
2012-08-14 07:46:31 PM  

Morpher59: I'm anxiously awaiting another Limbaugh meltdown about Bioshock being developed by libs and intentionally including a character named "Ryan" creating a Randian dystopia in order to influence the 2012 election, like the rant about Bain/Bane Batman movie thing.


You're presuming he's hip enough to do that.
 
2012-08-14 07:47:12 PM  
I can almost always tell a modern objectivist writer by the way they write children. For some reason, children in objectivist books don't just talk like full-grown adults, but they talk like fully-actualized well-rounded intelligent adults who are capable of unpacking and analyzing all their inner demons and assessing a potential strategy for dealing with them.

The trouble with talking to objectivists is that they go from normal to crazy faster than any other dogmatics. They're so convinced that they think and communicate with utter cubic logic in all things that they believe that the mere fact that the logic exists must mean that it's correct. In other words, they believe they're correct because they believe they're correct - the fact that they came up with a conclusion means that the conclusion must be accurate.

At the same time, I've met plenty of objectivists, mostly online, whose brains are less organized than a sack of rabid raccoons; their logic comes from other planets and their conclusions fit however they happen to feel at the time. They're also past masters at doing the math backwards; they have a conclusion so they invent a logic that fits it. Then they get axe-throwing defensive when you call them on it.

One objectivist, that I did get to meet personally, flew into a rage when I told him that it wasn't actually possible to talk to bears and have them understand you. I have no idea what was driving his brain. Another lives in a hoarder house, collects guns, and receives government assistance. He's pretty special. And these people go into these rage spirals whenever you say that there might be flaws in their thinking or blind spots in their behavior.

Deep down, I think objectivists know that they can't really run their own lives, but don't you dare bust that illusion. Everything they are depends upon convincing themselves that they're better than everyone else.
 
2012-08-14 07:47:23 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Silly Jesus: I read the first two so that I could discuss them intelligently.

Discussing Mein Kampf and the Turner Diaries 'intelligently'.

hahahaohwow.jpg


Yes. Believe it or not the only discussion about Mein Kampf isn't "Hitler bad", "I agree", "OK, next book."

If that's all that you can muster though, I understand.
 
2012-08-14 07:47:36 PM  

FlashHarry: "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-- Paul Krugman


That's not Paul Krugman's btw.

It belongs to some guy named John Rogers
 
2012-08-14 07:47:46 PM  

MayoSlather: MayoSlather: Lando Lincoln: Here's a much more thorough and undoubtedly accurate summary of it. Even the summary is extremely tedious. Ayn Rand sucked as a writer

I actually liked some of her essays...not in full but she'shiat and miss but she'shiat and miss on her philosophy. The misses are dreadful, but the hits are interesting and occasionally logically sound.

oops


2x COMBO FILTERPWN!
 
2012-08-14 07:48:11 PM  
I read the first chapter of Atlas.
Then I tossed it to the curb and read Animal Farm. A much better book.

/Ryan's an asshat.
 
2012-08-14 07:48:46 PM  

MayoSlather: I guess fark autocorrect insists I'm wrong.


You're getting tripped by the filter. She is a hit or a miss won't trigger it. Basically it thinks you are trying to type the word sh*t.
 
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