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2012-08-14 04:37:39 PM
"I am no longer fascinated by the woman. She was but flesh, she was mortal and flawed and imperfect. Now I know that it is not the woman but the ideas that she espoused that I should worship. It is the ideas, the ideals, the capitalistic ideological purity, that command my affections and steer my policy."
 
2012-08-14 04:41:19 PM
Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?
 
2012-08-14 04:46:14 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Went through college and grad school and never heard of Rand or the related books. Did I miss something, or was it all just derpy?


The first I ever heard of it was from Machelle Malkin. I didn't bother looking into it any further. The cult like following it gets reminds me of The Turner Diaries.
 
2012-08-14 04:49:10 PM
Wouldn't big banks be considered leechers under Ayn Rand?

/haven't read any of her books
 
2012-08-14 04:51:17 PM
I'd rather read a thousand farking elf songs by J.R.R. Tolkien than one chapter of Ayn Rand's crap.
 
2012-08-14 04:52:44 PM
I've got an idea

Why dont we all pitch in some money and buy thousands of flip-floops and pass them out at Romney/Ryan events?
 
2012-08-14 04:59:58 PM
I read The Fountainhead in my early 20s on a good friend's recommendation, with no real preconceptions of her work or philosophy. It's one of those books that you actually get angry at the author for 1) rambling for pages and pages about utter unrealistic nonsense and pretending it's wisdom; and 2) being a terrible writer on every level while doing that.

If you're going to feed me crap, make it entertaining crap. Rand couldn't even do that. I felt like taking a shower to get that book off me when I was done. Horrible characters, horrible philosophy, just a total disaster of a book. I have heard Atlas Shrugged is better but I'd probably prefer just taking an icepick to my eyeballs rather than try.
 
2012-08-14 05:00:39 PM

Ghastly: I'd rather read a thousand farking elf songs by J.R.R. Tolkien than one chapter of Ayn Rand's crap.


Tom Bombadil Shrugged
 
2012-08-14 05:04:50 PM
FTA:"I reject her philosophy," Ryan says firmly. "It's an atheist philosophy. It reduces human interactions down to mere contracts and it is antithetical to my worldview. If somebody is going to try to paste a person's view on epistemology to me, then give me Thomas Aquinas,"

God help us.
 
2012-08-14 05:06:21 PM
"There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-- Paul Krugman
 
2012-08-14 05:07:28 PM
i waded through the fountainhead when i was 15 or so. i tried atlas shrugged, but gave up a third of the way through. it was just so badly written.
 
2012-08-14 05:08:36 PM

FlashHarry: "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-- Paul Krugman


www.bartcop.com

Hmmm..different attribution. Funny either way.
 
2012-08-14 05:21:19 PM
why do I not believe him....?
 
2012-08-14 05:22:34 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Hmmm..different attribution. Funny either way.


looks like your'e right - krugman was quoting rogers.
 
2012-08-14 05:24:48 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: FlashHarry: "There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs."

-- Paul Krugman

[www.bartcop.com image 377x408]

Hmmm..different attribution. Funny either way.


Krugman apparently quoted it in his blog: Link
 
2012-08-14 05:25:56 PM
I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.

The percentage will go up slightly higher for books by Orwell, but not by much.
 
2012-08-14 05:27:27 PM

Weaver95: why do I not believe him....?


Could you step in here for a moment?

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-14 05:35:00 PM
My favorite part of Atlas shrugged was when the girl kept trying on hats and her friends were all, like, girrrrrrl. That hat is way too floppy for your face, and then they were all just laughing because after all, who needs that man? He doesn't even know what he lost, girl. He doesn't even know. You are so pretty. I'm serious. I would kill for your hair. OR FAKE AN ORGASM.

The end.
 
2012-08-14 05:36:02 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: why do I not believe him....?

Could you step in here for a moment?

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no. that room is wall to wall 'hello kitty' and I left my flame thrower at home.
 
2012-08-14 05:37:38 PM
Neither Rand, nor any Objectivist I've met, truly understood/understand* one of the core tenets of their philosophy, rational self-interest.

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*how exactly are you supposed to switch between tenses when talking about both the living and the dead?
 
2012-08-14 05:37:42 PM
I had to read the Fountainhead in high school, and the entire class pretty much agreed the author had to be clinically insane.
 
2012-08-14 05:44:02 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.

The percentage will go up slightly higher for books by Orwell, but not by much.


That's because very few people can get through more than a few chapters of he crap before giving up. Not even the derpiest libertarians can get through an entire book of hers without skipping through a lot of the crap. In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).
 
2012-08-14 05:47:13 PM

Pocket Ninja: I'm willing to bet quite a bit of money that if you selected, at random, any 10 individuals who have ever posted in a thread about Ayn Rand (either favorably or unfavorably), locked them in a room without any pre-warning or internet access, and then asked them each to provide a 2-minute summary of "Atlas Shrugged," no more than 2 or 3 would be able to do so.


And I'm willing to bet 9/10 of farkers that post in gun control threads can't accurately describe being shot. *ptbtpttb*
 
2012-08-14 05:47:56 PM

Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).


YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."
 
2012-08-14 05:52:35 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).

YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."


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2012-08-14 06:02:20 PM
Atlas Shrugged is about this superhuman business guy named John Galt who was super awesome at everything he did and one day he just checked out of society because he was tired of all of the mindless bureaucratic red-tape regulations and union bullshiat that surrounds running a business in a modern society like ours. And people freaked out because without John Galt around, everything was going to shiat. And then other really important business tycoons did the same thing. And then all of the union workers and politicians were really sad and miserable and jobless, because the super awesome job creators weren't around to lead them to prosperity and super awesome living. So the moral of the story is, keep sucking rich guy dick or they'll fark you in the ass.
 
2012-08-14 06:03:33 PM
what if all the John Galt wannabes up and left...and society got better for it?
 
2012-08-14 06:08:13 PM

Ghastly: Pocket Ninja: Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).

YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."

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Brilliant
 
2012-08-14 06:16:38 PM

Weaver95: no. that room is wall to wall 'hello kitty' and I left my flame thrower at home.


Last time I was in a room decorated with a wall to wall hello kitty motif it was when I was a "guest" of the Abu Sayyef on Mindanao. If that's the motif in room 101 I'm not going there either.
 
2012-08-14 06:28:00 PM

Pocket Ninja: Ghastly: In that regard she is very like Tolkien (nobody reads the farking elf songs).

YOU LIE. Tolkien is scintillating reading. He was a storyteller's storyteller.

Frodo set down the ring and sank to the earth in repose. From his backpack, Sam produced a flask of water and some Elven Lembas, and from his waistpouch a small, sealed tin. The tin had been crafted by the tinsmith L'Ortheala'i of the second line of Durenorathala during the Second Age, on the High Night of Pancrea when the Solenil were running in the crystal water from high Holitla and the Darklmunnerors lay yet beneath the graven stones of their forebears who had not yet descended from the lofty heights of Arameir to craft their stony halls. Inside the tin lay a single pat of Glumeliian Butter, which had not been seen in the Shire since the first days of the last days of Sam's mother's father, known to some as his grandfather, who had traveled the Windy Trail beneath the Solemn Mist of the Mount of Holitakea to beseech the Caravan Master of Noriktha, himself of the second line of Durenorathala, to attend the upcoming Festival Harvest of Firhtyta and sell some butter there. Which Sam's mother's father/Grandfather did buy and save in the shallows of the cool Hoytr's water, and which Sam had dutifully carried with him from the moment of their departure.

With the butter knife that had had been crafted by his second cousin Hal, who had been borne during the Third Coming of the Second Rising of the Fourth Turning of the Seventh House and had traveled to Genedain to learn the craft of butter knife forging from the Elven smith Lorelairlahdsthgfksdghjk, son of Ka, Sam spread a pat of Glumeliian Butter on the Lembas and handed the small morsel to Frodo.

"Mmm," Frodo said. "This is some very tasty butter."


Then, Frodo and Sam travelled 800 miles to the elf forest. Along the way they were shot at, stabbed, and robbed. When they got to the elf forest, they started hearing an ethereal voice...

Kleais, toth misrai
plan onc crea,
Alathandor,
pis mo be ach

ophimar walam spala
uichinal hraman poar
spole aras framana ghil
khaten cheez bhurga

olomesh prenai
sepelet prenem
freisa jumit pargala
vog on po etri


Then there was a big battle, and a whole bunch of people got killed, and then Sam and Frodo crawled up Mount Doom and dropped the ring in, so that was pretty much that for the forces of Mordor. It made Aragorn so happy that he started singing a song in Elvish.

palathama spiin coh mon
peramana, kal lwath mai shon...


...and so on, for another 800 pages.
 
2012-08-14 06:28:49 PM

Confabulat: I read The Fountainhead in my early 20s on a good friend's recommendation, with no real preconceptions of her work or philosophy. It's one of those books that you actually get angry at the author for 1) rambling for pages and pages about utter unrealistic nonsense and pretending it's wisdom; and 2) being a terrible writer on every level while doing that.

If you're going to feed me crap, make it entertaining crap. Rand couldn't even do that. I felt like taking a shower to get that book off me when I was done. Horrible characters, horrible philosophy, just a total disaster of a book. I have heard Atlas Shrugged is better but I'd probably prefer just taking an icepick to my eyeballs rather than try.


Whoever said Atlas Shrugged is better is either lying or stupid. It's essentially a longer, more rambling version of The Fountainhead.
 
2012-08-14 06:29:17 PM
Well now he's never going to be let into Galt's Gulch.
 
2012-08-14 06:30:56 PM
Yes, people grow up and embrace reality. Except the people who read socialist and communist literature, they never do.

Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.

Hopefully we can put an adult back in the WH in November.
 
2012-08-14 06:31:03 PM

Weaver95: what if all the John Galt wannabes up and left...and society got better for it?


They wouldn't, they could care less about the collectivist needs of society. They would hang around in their hoverrounds biatching about how corporate taxes are high, therefore R&D budgets are low, and therefore he, the dependent inventor who prides himself on his independence, wouldn't have any money to invent.
 
2012-08-14 06:31:59 PM

randomjsa: Yes, people grow up and embrace reality. Except the people who read socialist and communist literature, they never do.

Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.

Hopefully we can put an adult back in the WH in November.


You sound tired, random.
 
2012-08-14 06:32:11 PM
I admit I skipped most of the radio address. Just like I would have in real life. 50 farking pages of rambling speech is no way to win hearts and minds Mr. Galt.
 
2012-08-14 06:32:11 PM
She was his entire reason for getting into politics, and for years he would give her books away to everyone he knew. Somehow, after years and years of worshipping her, he found out she was a crazy Russian atheist. It's good to know that this "serious" Republican does such great due diligence before swallowing an ideology hook line and sinker. He is truly the face of the modern GOP.
 
2012-08-14 06:32:17 PM
Because a man who would cast aside a lifetime of belief for a moment of power is the kind of man I would the trust the future to.

/No, I don't like Rand.
//But he's been her disciple for his entire adult life.
///What will he cast aside next?
 
2012-08-14 06:32:19 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Well now he's never going to be let into Galt's Gulch.


that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.
 
2012-08-14 06:32:58 PM
This is why Romney loves Ryan. Like Mitt, Paul can immediately abandon long held beliefs as soon as it becomes convenient. You don't find someone as breath takingly shallow as that every day. Mitt is extremely impressed.
 
2012-08-14 06:34:16 PM

Weaver95: Philip Francis Queeg: Well now he's never going to be let into Galt's Gulch.

that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.


Nah, the Papists don't get raptured.
 
2012-08-14 06:35:02 PM

Weaver95: that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.


He is entitled to the sweat of his brow, after all.
 
2012-08-14 06:35:23 PM

randomjsa:
Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.


well yeah but don't be TOO hard on GWB. The market was imploding and banks failing over like dominoes. if he didn't turn the country socialist he'd have been the president responsible for kicking off the Great Depression 2.0. I guess he was ok with being known as the Republican president who made the country socialist instead of the guy who destroyed the country's economy.
 
2012-08-14 06:35:58 PM
Ayn Rand Paul Ryan Gosling will be the name of my first child.

He will be a chain-smoking atheist Catholic optometrist with incredible abs and a shriveled up heartless dick who believes the gold standard and objectivism will be the saviors of humanity.

//so proud already
 
2012-08-14 06:36:36 PM
So he keeps the things he likes about the philosophy, while ignoring all the other parts that he doesn't like, even if they are necessary to make it a coherent whole?

How very christian of him!
 
2012-08-14 06:36:37 PM

Dalrint: Weaver95: that's ok. he'd do pretty well in Rapture.

He is entitled to the sweat of his brow, after all.


I understand that the genetic mutations are reasonably priced AND you get the insanity for free!
 
2012-08-14 06:37:44 PM
I actually liked The Fountainhead.

Not because I agree with the "philosophy". God no. I'm pretty damned liberaltastic.

But the characters were so skewed and unrealistic as to be impressive. It's difficult to make characters that are that extreme.
 
2012-08-14 06:39:03 PM
Ryan's renouncing Ayn Rand now? Well, this should be entertaining.

Ryan's speech outlined his fascination with Rand - whose novels preach personal accountability and a rejection of altruism- while growing up, recalling how it impacted him so much that he required his interns and staff to read both of her iconic novels. Ryan also cited in the 2005 speech character monologues from the novels that have informed his personal and political views:

hee hee! You made your staff read both of her books!
 
2012-08-14 06:39:04 PM

Dafatone: I actually liked The Fountainhead.

Not because I agree with the "philosophy". God no. I'm pretty damned liberaltastic.

But the characters were so skewed and unrealistic as to be impressive. It's difficult to make characters that are that extreme.


And yet Dick Armey dreamed up the Tea Party and their Merry Band of Patriots, and the world hasn't stopped LULZing since.
 
2012-08-14 06:39:30 PM

randomjsa: Yes, people grow up and embrace reality. Except the people who read socialist and communist literature, they never do.

Then we elect them president and wonder why people who never grew up make such lousy presidents.

Hopefully we can put an adult back in the WH in November.


Speaking of crowing cocks, I bet Paul Ryan denies Ayn Rand at least two more times.
 
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