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2012-08-14 02:45:35 PM
I'd go find Chelios and hunt down Bettman - this time we'll finish the job.
 
2012-08-14 02:47:24 PM
I don't live in an NHL city anymore, so I usually watch NCAA and Jr. league hockey.

/Free admission to my university's games FTW!!!!
 
2012-08-14 02:47:46 PM
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2012-08-14 02:48:36 PM
Be done with the NHL until Bettman is gone. Then I'd consider giving them a chance
 
2012-08-14 02:48:59 PM
Death. Destruction. Deeeeeeeeeecontamination...?
 
2012-08-14 02:50:04 PM
As a Wild fan i'd cry.
 
2012-08-14 02:50:28 PM
Laugh at all the hockey fans who think its the number 1 sport in the country while no one else notices there's even a lockout going on
 
2012-08-14 02:52:28 PM
Same thing we did last time. Drink more and complain about the ridiculous amount of poker on the sports channel.
 
2012-08-14 02:55:36 PM
if the NHL were dumb enough to suffer the second lockout in seven years, then that's a league that deserves to die.

Dear Canada: understand me well. I'm not saying hockey sucks, which is what you think i'm saying. it is a cool farking sport. But if its stewards, meaning the commissioner, owners, and player's association can't get their shiat together, then the league needs to be dissolved and recreated from scratch. you can't fark the fanbase two times in seven years. how disastrous was the last lockout?

i mean, there are still some folks that attribute the MLB's attendnace problems / declining populairty to the 1994 lockout. i think they're full of shiat for the record, but....you hear that from time to time.
 
2012-08-14 02:55:46 PM

natural316: Laugh at all the hockey fans who think its the number 1 sport in the country while no one else notices there's even a lockout going on


In Canada we'll notice, that's all that matters since 7 teams = half of the NHL revenue.
The NHL couldn't operate without Canadian money
 
2012-08-14 02:56:43 PM

rickythepenguin: if the NHL were dumb enough to suffer the second lockout in seven years, then that's a league that deserves to die.

Dear Canada: understand me well. I'm not saying hockey sucks, which is what you think i'm saying. it is a cool farking sport. But if its stewards, meaning the commissioner, owners, and player's association can't get their shiat together, then the league needs to be dissolved and recreated from scratch. you can't fark the fanbase two times in seven years. how disastrous was the last lockout?

i mean, there are still some folks that attribute the MLB's attendnace problems / declining populairty to the 1994 lockout. i think they're full of shiat for the record, but....you hear that from time to time.


Honestly if they had another extended lockout, the league would end up dying on it's own I think
 
2012-08-14 02:57:49 PM

rickythepenguin: if the NHL were dumb enough to suffer the second lockout in seven years, then that's a league that deserves to die.

Dear Canada: understand me well. I'm not saying hockey sucks, which is what you think i'm saying. it is a cool farking sport. But if its stewards, meaning the commissioner, owners, and player's association can't get their shiat together, then the league needs to be dissolved and recreated from scratch. you can't fark the fanbase two times in seven years. how disastrous was the last lockout?

i mean, there are still some folks that attribute the MLB's attendnace problems / declining populairty to the 1994 lockout. i think they're full of shiat for the record, but....you hear that from time to time.


If that happens Canada would just make its own league. Of course though we'd keep a few American cities like Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild.
 
2012-08-14 02:58:55 PM

velvet_fog: [www.logodesignlove.com image 500x487]


NBA? Your NBA "dream team" nearly lost to Argentina in the Olympics. Ouch. NBA sucks.
 
2012-08-14 03:01:59 PM
NHL won't lock out. Things are too good for all parties right now.
 
2012-08-14 03:02:01 PM

ontariolightning: If that happens Canada would just make its own league. Of course though we'd keep a few American cities like Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild.



i'm supposed to be angry but i'm not (phoenix). i know we have a strong and vocal minority of fans here but......expansion to phoenix never made sense to me. persons of my demo weren't raised on the sport and it is largely foreign to us. as phoenix exploeded in the 90s, we have a lot of folks who moved here from elsewhere but.....they largely held on to their "childhood" allegiances.

it is pretty cool to watch but if it left Phoenix i'd be bummed for about 1.2 seconds, then I'd return to being largely ambivalent.
 
2012-08-14 03:05:39 PM
Well, if there is a lockout, I am going to boycott NHL for at least a year. I hope everyone else does it too. I hope there is a massive social media campaign encouraging a boycott. 3 lockouts in 20 years is supposed to be unheard of. I'll go watch Sarnia Sting & London Knights OHL hockey instead
 
2012-08-14 03:07:22 PM

rickythepenguin: i mean, there are still some folks that attribute the MLB's attendnace problems / declining populairty to the 1994 lockout. i think they're full of shiat for the record, but....you hear that from time to time.



threadjack....something that galls teh fark out of me is the claim that "BIG MAC AND SOSA SAVED BASEBALL!" (1998's home run chase).

um.

while you could easily go back and probably in minutes compile league-wide attendnace figures that reflect anger about the 1994 strike, I recall the 1995 WS (Atlanta) as cool as shiat, and 1996 had that amazing playoffs with the Jeffrey Maier incident, and the Yankees winning their first WS in __ years, which kicked off the Rivera / Jeter / Posada and what's his nuts "Core Four" dynasty. 1997 had the Marlins winning in dramatic fashion vs indians? 7 game series, iwth the 7th game going extra innings and if i recall, tha twas the Indians second straight WS appearance.

so the claim that Roider-In-Chief 1 and Roider-In-Chief 2 "saved" baseball, that ingnores three full years of pretty farking important and exciting seasons in MLB history. don't give me that shiat. MLB was not "irrelevant" or "dead"or "dormant" between 1994 and 1998.
 
2012-08-14 03:08:34 PM
I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off.

Several points:

- the owners original offer was a pretty pie-in-the-sky proposal, but hey, shoot high

- why aren't more owners more vocal about the clusterf*ck in Phoenix? The Coyotes are living off the revenues of all other teams, period, that is the only reason they are surviving. Get them the f*ck out of Phoenix to somewhere that might make money

- If Bettman truly cared about the "stability of the league" as he always pisses and moans about when it comes to moving teams, he'd get his head out of his f*cking ass and realize that three lockouts in 17 years is a pretty pathetic f*cking record for a sport that desperately wants to be mentioned with the likes of the NFL, MLB and NBA.

- this deal will get done later rather than sooner. The owners will posture that the deadline is approaching and the players will posture that they are prepared to go play in Europe as each side tries to eke additional concessions out of the other. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see September 15th come and go with no deal, but a deal getting done possibly in early October or even the very week the season is to begin.

- the Flames re-signed Cory Sarich. Sweet f*cking Christ, I'm going to kill Jay Feaster.
 
2012-08-14 03:09:14 PM

rickythepenguin: ontariolightning: If that happens Canada would just make its own league. Of course though we'd keep a few American cities like Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild.


i'm supposed to be angry but i'm not (phoenix). i know we have a strong and vocal minority of fans here but......expansion to phoenix never made sense to me. persons of my demo weren't raised on the sport and it is largely foreign to us. as phoenix exploeded in the 90s, we have a lot of folks who moved here from elsewhere but.....they largely held on to their "childhood" allegiances.

it is pretty cool to watch but if it left Phoenix i'd be bummed for about 1.2 seconds, then I'd return to being largely ambivalent.


It may have worked if they put the arena in Scottsdale. farking Scottsdale.
 
2012-08-14 03:09:58 PM
I'm sure this thread will have reasonable, well thought out discussion and will come to a sensible conclusion.

Lol, who the hell am I kidding.
 
2012-08-14 03:10:05 PM
Honestly, the owners deserve whatever fallout they get this time. They took the hard line stance last time, and got what they wanted after screaming "The players get paid too much, we're not making any money!". The players lost a lot in the last one. For the last seven years, the owners have tried to out-do each other in spending stupid amounts of money on mediocre players.
If there's a lockout or extended strike, I probably won't watch any hockey for at least a year or two*. I definitely won't be paying any money to go see any games.
Hockey is barely a relevant sport in the US now. If they piss off a bunch of fans who stop going to games, they will lose the league, or take 10 years to get over financially.

/* Probably will still watch the winter classic
 
2012-08-14 03:11:41 PM

Rev.K:
- the Flames re-signed Cory Sarich. Sweet f*cking Christ, I'm going to kill Jay Feaster.


How does Feaster still have a job?
 
2012-08-14 03:13:18 PM

Deece: Same thing we did last time. Drink more and complain about the ridiculous amount of poker on the sports channel.


Pretty much this. The only problem is the NBA will consider it a GWB-style mandate when their ratings suddenly start beating out Big Bang Theory reruns
 
2012-08-14 03:13:29 PM

Rev.K: - the Flames re-signed Cory Sarich. Sweet f*cking Christ, I'm going to kill Jay Feaster.


Feaster's just making sure he has lots of assets available for the inevitable deadline deal for Jokinen.
 
2012-08-14 03:14:31 PM
I came here to echo what ricky said, but also add... As a CBJ fan, I'm seriously considering boycotting the team this year anyway because their ownership sucks.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:41 PM

meddleRPI: NHL won't lock out. Things are too good for all parties right now.


Yep. Minimum wage is stronger than ever. No need to goaltend for the 'Ning AND work at Subway!
 
2012-08-14 03:17:48 PM
The NHL Players' Association and executive director Donald Fehr made their first proposal to the National Hockey League on Tuesday, with Fehr saying he believed it should, "lead to a new CBA" and "produce a stable industry."

While Fehr did not get into specific line-by-line details of the proposal, he did indicate that the players were willing to take reduced hockey-related revenue for the next three seasons and that it did not suggest the elimination of the league's hard cap.
 
2012-08-14 03:18:11 PM

ontariolightning: How does Feaster still have a job?


If there's one thing the Flames have done over the years, it's leave their GMs alone for too long.

Darryl Sutter seemingly contracted syphilis, went undiagnosed and later insane, made a slew of horrible deals, but was still not relived of his post until too late.

Feaster is being given, I would argue, an even longer leash. Let's be honest, the Hudler and Wideman deals are gambles, straight up. If they come in and do what we want them to, Feaster will look like a genius, but if they flounder and flop, Feaster will be ripped apart by the media and even then, I don't think he'll lose his job.

The motto for Flames management must be: Always think short-term.

Deece: Feaster's just making sure he has lots of assets available for the inevitable deadline deal for Jokinen.


i lol'd.
 
2012-08-14 03:20:30 PM
NHLPA boss Donald Fehr talked afterward and gave some of the details on the offer.

• Eliminating the hard salary cap as was rumored to be part of the offer? No, that's staying. There might be some minor exceptions to the hard cap system but nothing major.

• The players would agree to take a lower share of the hockey-related revenue for the next three years. In exchange for that concession the proposal calls for a dramatic increase in revenue sharing, as much as possibly $250 million per season.

• The players would be willing to take a lower share of the revenue and give the revenue sharing a shot to help the struggling franchises.

• The proposal also calls for no changes to the current contract rules. The original offer from the owners called for limits on contract lenghts and making entry-level deals longer as well as the restricted free agency rules.

• In addition, all contracts made under the previous CBA will not be altered.

• The proposal is only a three-year plan, designed to be long enough to allow the owners to see what life is like and if it's completely unacceptable then to revisit things in three years. In the fourth year the owners could revert to the current CBA and then get back to work on another deal.
 
2012-08-14 03:30:03 PM

ontariolightning: • Eliminating the hard salary cap as was rumored to be part of the offer? No, that's staying. There might be some minor exceptions to the hard cap system but nothing major.


Sensible move by the players. I think they understand the cap is here to stay. To re-open a debate about the cap would almost certainly mean a lockout and possibly another season lost. This is a wise move.

ontariolightning: • The players would agree to take a lower share of the hockey-related revenue for the next three years. In exchange for that concession the proposal calls for a dramatic increase in revenue sharing, as much as possibly $250 million per season.


Interesting.

ontariolightning: • The players would be willing to take a lower share of the revenue and give the revenue sharing a shot to help the struggling franchises.


Really interesting.

ontariolightning: • The proposal also calls for no changes to the current contract rules. The original offer from the owners called for limits on contract lenghts and making entry-level deals longer as well as the restricted free agency rules.


This is not going to go over well with the owners. Their proposal was pretty radical, but for the players to come back and not concede any of it, that's a pretty big gulf between the two sides.

I agree with the players on free agency and entry deals. Players fought hard to get free agency down from 31 and I have no problem with it being 28 or whatever it is. Entry deals for five years instead of three is a blatant money-saving move from owners.

ontariolightning: • In addition, all contracts made under the previous CBA will not be altered.


That's going to be tricky if you accept revenue reductions on one hand, but don't want your current salaries altered.

ontariolightning: • The proposal is only a three-year plan, designed to be long enough to allow the owners to see what life is like and if it's completely unacceptable then to revisit things in three years. In the fourth year the owners could revert to the current CBA and then get back to work on another deal.


I like this, only because it makes a work stoppage less likely....I hope.
 
2012-08-14 03:33:05 PM
I love the owners who absolutely couldn't wait to find ways around their previous agreement to hand out 17-year contracts and now want to put in new rules they'll immediately look to circumvent.
 
2012-08-14 03:33:34 PM
The players are willing to give up a lot to get this new CBA done. If the owners don't compromise and accept this deal, then it's clearly the owners fault if there is a lockout.
 
2012-08-14 03:34:11 PM
I'm a pretty big Blackhawks fan, but honestly, unless the lockout extends into January it won't affect me too much. Trying to keep up with the NFL and the NHL simultaneously is too much sports and too much alcohol for me to handle.
 
2012-08-14 03:36:05 PM

neuroflare: It may have worked if they put the arena in Scottsdale. farking Scottsdale.



as i always say on this point....congratulations, scottsdale: 12 years later and the Los Arcos site is still a vacant farking lot. well, ok, technically ASU has the "Sky Song" development but from i read, that isn't exactly a cash cow and what's more, that site still only uses a portion of the Los Arcos site. abnd further, Scottsdale told the Yotes to fark off circa 1999, 2000, whereas Sky Song opened about 2010. crack open a map. SkySong's footprint - excluding parking, whcih would exist if a hockey arena was there - is about 1/6th of the Los Arcos site.

i drove by the site just a few months ago -- like May or perhaps June -- and drivign by, it is still fenced off. a huge portion of that site is just dirt. undeveloped dirt.

morons.

ehhh. what's done is done.
 
2012-08-14 03:36:49 PM

ontariolightning: If that happens Canada would just make its own league. Of course though we'd keep a few American cities like Boston, Detroit, Chicago, Pittsburgh, New York Rangers, Minnesota Wild.


It's cool you've already secured that job as brass for this new league. Tell me, is the draft going to take place at the local Tim Horton's or your mom's basement.
 
2012-08-14 03:40:26 PM

ontariolightning: The players are willing to give up a lot to get this new CBA done. If the owners don't compromise and accept this deal, then it's clearly the owners fault if there is a lockout.


Pretty much this; looks like Fehr made a sound, sensible proposal (shocking, I know) and put the puck in the owners end of the ice.

If the owners try to go for blood and reject this outright, a lockout is likely.
 
2012-08-14 03:41:44 PM

Rev.K: I'd be pretty goddamn pissed off.

Several points:

- the owners original offer was a pretty pie-in-the-sky proposal, but hey, shoot high

- why aren't more owners more vocal about the clusterf*ck in Phoenix? The Coyotes are living off the revenues of all other teams, period, that is the only reason they are surviving. Get them the f*ck out of Phoenix to somewhere that might make money

- If Bettman truly cared about the "stability of the league" as he always pisses and moans about when it comes to moving teams, he'd get his head out of his f*cking ass and realize that three lockouts in 17 years is a pretty pathetic f*cking record for a sport that desperately wants to be mentioned with the likes of the NFL, MLB and NBA.

- this deal will get done later rather than sooner. The owners will posture that the deadline is approaching and the players will posture that they are prepared to go play in Europe as each side tries to eke additional concessions out of the other. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see September 15th come and go with no deal, but a deal getting done possibly in early October or even the very week the season is to begin.

- the Flames re-signed Cory Sarich. Sweet f*cking Christ, I'm going to kill Jay Feaster.


You're a Flames fan? You poor bastard, I'm so sorry
 
2012-08-14 03:43:51 PM

Your Zionist Leader: You're a Flames fan? You poor bastard, I'm so sorry


It's a pretty masochistic existence, but it's MY masochistic existence.
 
2012-08-14 03:47:14 PM
Will this affect the AHL as well, or will they still be good to go? Not that I can afford to see NHL games in this city anyway, but it will push me even further towards the AHL.
 
2012-08-14 03:47:25 PM
I just moved to Atlanta from Boston - for the love of god, at least let me have NHL Center Ice so I can watch the Bruins, please!
 
2012-08-14 03:48:12 PM

Khryswhy: Honestly, the owners deserve whatever fallout they get this time. They took the hard line stance last time, and got what they wanted after screaming "The players get paid too much, we're not making any money!". The players lost a lot in the last one. For the last seven years, the owners have tried to out-do each other in spending stupid amounts of money on mediocre players.


Something I've been saying for the last five years. It was almost like watching a replay of what happened in 1995. The players got locked out, gave in, the owners claimed victory and within two years they were screwing things up by circumventing the very rules they claimed were needed to save the game. I had no problem with front loaded deals that were of the five year variety(hell I even predicted they would become common place with younger free agency), but when the 8/9/10+ contracts came out I knew hockey was screwed.
 
2012-08-14 03:54:58 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: Will this affect the AHL as well, or will they still be good to go? Not that I can afford to see NHL games in this city anyway, but it will push me even further towards the AHL.


No, the AHL has their own union and are good to go this season
 
2012-08-14 03:56:46 PM

Yanks_RSJ: I love the owners who absolutely couldn't wait to find ways around their previous agreement to hand out 17-year contracts and now want to put in new rules they'll immediately look to circumvent.


You know, in most other sports, I think there's a pretty distinct delineation between "responsible" owners and "asshole, retard" owners who succumb to bad moves and then demand a bailout.

I swear in the NHL over the past couple years, every team has made at least one cute, totally-skirted-the-existing-CBA deal.
 
2012-08-14 03:59:09 PM
Not really a Blue Jackets fan here, but as I'm stuck listening to the local media talking about them, a lockout would be refreshing. Maybe Steve Mason will wander off and take up a landscaping job somewhere, never to return.

/dare to dream
 
2012-08-14 04:01:29 PM
i quit watching nhl after the lockout earlier in the 2000's; i think another lockout might end their professional league status.
 
2012-08-14 04:01:33 PM
Celebrate a year without Don Cherry and his senile ramblings?
 
2012-08-14 04:02:51 PM
Fark, Ive got a lot of grey boxes in this thread.

GavinTheAlmighty: Will this affect the AHL as well, or will they still be good to go?


AHL is good to go. ECHL as well, thank God. My local team has been not sucking for the first time in a decade.
 
2012-08-14 04:04:21 PM

ElwoodCuse: No, the AHL has their own union and are good to go this season


notadamnduck: AHL is good to go. ECHL as well, thank God. My local team has been not sucking for the first time in a decade.


Thanks folks. The local AHL team is actually pretty decent, so I wouldn't mind this.
 
2012-08-14 04:06:10 PM

notadamnduck: Fark, Ive got a lot of grey boxes in this thread.

GavinTheAlmighty: Will this affect the AHL as well, or will they still be good to go?

AHL is good to go. ECHL as well, thank God. My local team has been not sucking for the first time in a decade.


Truth hurts, huh?
 
2012-08-14 04:06:21 PM

Rev.K:

- the Flames re-signed Cory Sarich. Sweet f*cking Christ, I'm going to kill Jay Feaster.


Any word on the Bouwmeester trade? Maybe you can get Ian White again.
 
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