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(Reuters)   Russia turns in three cards, moves its bonus armies to Kamchatka   (in.reuters.com) divider line 66
    More: Scary, Russia, Russian Defense Ministry, Pacific, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation, Russian President, World War Two, Soviet forces, navy  
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2012-08-14 02:42:10 PM  
Wow.

I wasn't aware that the Russian navy even HAD two vessels capable of taking to the seas.
 
2012-08-14 02:43:05 PM  
The Russians might want to google the Battle of Tsushima Strait, you want to Google that. Also if you ever get a chance, the IJN Mikasa is in excellent condition and a lovely tour.
 
2012-08-14 02:44:54 PM  
+1
 
2012-08-14 02:45:25 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wow.

I wasn't aware that the Russian navy even HAD two vessels capable of taking to the seas.


Yeah, they had a sub in the Gulf of Mexico and no one noticed.
 
2012-08-14 02:46:18 PM  
Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.
 
2012-08-14 02:47:09 PM  
I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.
 
2012-08-14 02:47:16 PM  

SithLord: Satanic_Hamster: Wow.

I wasn't aware that the Russian navy even HAD two vessels capable of taking to the seas.

Yeah, they had a sub in the Gulf of Mexico and no one noticed.


Oh we noticed. It was called the BP oil Spill as cover.
 
2012-08-14 02:47:21 PM  
Bless you.
 
2012-08-14 02:48:33 PM  
China and Russia seem to be pissing Japan off a lot lately.
 
2012-08-14 02:48:50 PM  
Did not even read the article, but great tagline on this one. Damn it, these articles are dragging me out of the "photoshop contest only" thing I was going for when I started actively participating again for the third time.
 
2012-08-14 02:49:00 PM  
Kamchatka is valuable as a defence point but only temporarily until you're able to push for Alaska.

Of course, you should always try to take Australia. Sure, it's the war equivalent of camping, but it's a legitimate strategy.
 
2012-08-14 02:49:28 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.


i'm one of those motherfeckers.

/but i try to get NA as soon as possible.
 
2012-08-14 02:49:31 PM  

Yakk: +1


This. I had to leave the board at Jerry's though. I can't trust Newman.
 
2012-08-14 02:49:51 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.


Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents
 
2012-08-14 02:50:52 PM  
They look to me like they should be part of Japan but Google Earth identifies them as "Kuril Islands, Russia" and who am I to argue with Google?
 
2012-08-14 02:51:34 PM  
J

Perducci: Kamchatka is valuable as a defence point but only temporarily until you're able to push for Alaska.

Of course, you should always try to take Australia. Sure, it's the war equivalent of camping, but it's a legitimate strategy.

Just shave the attack dice so they always rolls a 6. The odds are in your favour with the defender having proper dice of them not rolling a 6 that often.
 
2012-08-14 02:51:47 PM  
Lots of territorial disputes are starting to heat up

Falkland Islands/U.K vs Argentina and Mercosur countries

South Korea vs North Korea (disputed islands)

China and a bunch of islands in the south China sea Vs A bunch of countries

Russia Vs Japan

China Vs Japan

and if the ice continues to melt in the arctic, in less than 10 years, there will be war up there for the oil
 
2012-08-14 02:52:10 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Did someone mention the Bonus Army?

/Hot like Douglas MacArthur and George Patton burning out a WWI veteran camp
 
2012-08-14 02:52:43 PM  
mmmmmmmmm, vodka.
 
2012-08-14 02:53:06 PM  

Kommunaut: /never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents


You can't just stay in Oz...you have to hold at least one in Asia, to prevent that player from getting the large continent bonus.
Then you can slowly spread out.
 
2012-08-14 02:53:47 PM  

Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents


I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.
 
2012-08-14 02:54:15 PM  
if the japanese where smart, they would mine the fark out of the islands, and then ask russia if they still want them.
 
2012-08-14 02:54:32 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Kommunaut: /never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

You can't just stay in Oz...you have to hold at least one in Asia, to prevent that player from getting the large continent bonus.
Then you can slowly spread out.


Well, yeah. If you're lucky you can make a beeline for Africa, another fairly easy to hold continent. The most important thing is to disrupt the other bonuses. Still, almost every time I see it, it does not go according to plan.
 
2012-08-14 02:55:30 PM  

NallTWD: Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.


This.

Had they been a winning party of WWII or even a party that managed a negotiated peace rather than an unconditional surrender, they would have gained territories. They lost and unconditionally surrendered... territory is usually lost when that happens.
 
2012-08-14 02:57:30 PM  

Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.


A great website for email turn based games is here Games By Email. Risk, Axis and Allies, Diplomacy, History of the World, Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, etc, etc.

If anyone is interested in a game of Axis and Allies or History of the World I'm up for it. Oh, and it's free.
 
2012-08-14 02:59:06 PM  

Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.


So... what is the optimal strategy after fortifying Australia?

Expeditionary forces westward to Africa, or north and then east, to North America?

Or do you establish a colony elsewhere and place your two bonus armies per turn halfway across the globe?

Discuss.

/don't get me started with Axis and Allies
 
2012-08-14 03:00:03 PM  
Subby last seen getting his arse kicked on a subway for bad-mouthing the Ukraine.

+1 subby
 
2012-08-14 03:00:16 PM  
www.naderlibrary.com
 
2012-08-14 03:00:19 PM  

kbronsito: NallTWD: Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.

This.

Had they been a winning party of WWII or even a party that managed a negotiated peace rather than an unconditional surrender, they would have gained territories. They lost and unconditionally surrendered... territory is usually lost when that happens.



True....like Okinawa


/?
 
2012-08-14 03:02:50 PM  
I play here. If you like RISK, you should too: Conquer Club
 
2012-08-14 03:04:38 PM  

netcentric: kbronsito: NallTWD: Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.

This.

Had they been a winning party of WWII or even a party that managed a negotiated peace rather than an unconditional surrender, they would have gained territories. They lost and unconditionally surrendered... territory is usually lost when that happens.


True....like Okinawa


/?


Nixon, that biatch, gave it back in 1972.....

Nice place to live (for 18 months) and I'd like to go back to visit for a few days but other than that.
 
2012-08-14 03:04:40 PM  
I'm going to side with Russia on this because I like Vodak better than Sake.
 
2012-08-14 03:04:56 PM  

rudemix: Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.

A great website for email turn based games is here Games By Email. Risk, Axis and Allies, Diplomacy, History of the World, Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, etc, etc.

If anyone is interested in a game of Axis and Allies or History of the World I'm up for it. Oh, and it's free.


OK, that's awesome.
 
2012-08-14 03:08:44 PM  

Parthenogenetic: Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.

So... what is the optimal strategy after fortifying Australia?

Expeditionary forces westward to Africa, or north and then east, to North America?

Or do you establish a colony elsewhere and place your two bonus armies per turn halfway across the globe?

Discuss.

/don't get me started with Axis and Allies


Either or. Depends on where you get countries at the outset. I either fortify one country in the middle of Asia (3-4) and use it for collecting cards, or send out a smaller force from Australia and do the same thing. It's not fool proof, but it can be done. Doesn't work so well with a small number of players.
 
2012-08-14 03:14:18 PM  
Can the Russians see Sarah Palin's house from Kamchatka?

// I Kuril myself sometimes
 
2012-08-14 03:15:11 PM  
Its been over 100 years since the last Russia-Japan war, they are probably due

/too soon?
 
2012-08-14 03:15:47 PM  
Nucular Wessels?
 
2012-08-14 03:16:06 PM  

Ryker's Peninsula: I'm going to side with Russia on this because I like Vodak better than Sake.

img824.imageshack.us
How does that coincide with your post-war Commie conspiracy, huh? It's incredibly obvious, isn't it? A foreign substance is introduced into our precious bodily fluids without the knowledge of the individual, and certainly without any choice. That's the way your hard-core Commie works.
 
2012-08-14 03:16:59 PM  
so they can attack the west coast of the u.s. from the other side of the board cause of the - - - - - - - - ?
 
2012-08-14 03:23:46 PM  
Ukrane not weak!!
 
2012-08-14 03:23:58 PM  

mogasm: I play here. If you like RISK, you should too: Conquer Club


ever play Supremacy:The Game of Superpowers?
http://game.asup.co.uk/index.php

It;s like Risk with nukes.
www.gamepile.com
 
2012-08-14 03:24:51 PM  

Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.


Thats usually everyones goal in the begining.
 
2012-08-14 03:34:23 PM  

Kommunaut: YouPeopleAreCrazy: Kommunaut: /never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

You can't just stay in Oz...you have to hold at least one in Asia, to prevent that player from getting the large continent bonus.
Then you can slowly spread out.

Well, yeah. If you're lucky you can make a beeline for Africa, another fairly easy to hold continent. The most important thing is to disrupt the other bonuses. Still, almost every time I see it, it does not go according to plan.


Nah, go for North America. Same number of access points (three), but worth 5 rather than 3 bonus armies per turn.
 
2012-08-14 03:35:40 PM  

thy crotch: mmmmmmmmm, vodka.


ineed!

www.mugspartystore.com
 
2012-08-14 03:37:00 PM  

rudemix: Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.

A great website for email turn based games is here Games By Email. Risk, Axis and Allies, Diplomacy, History of the World, Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, etc, etc.

If anyone is interested in a game of Axis and Allies or History of the World I'm up for it. Oh, and it's free.


I'll play, but I feel a 2 person A&A isn't that fun.
 
2012-08-14 03:37:42 PM  
the large landing ship Admiral Nevelskoi and the tugboat Kalar

images.wikia.com

I'd counter with Captain Christopher Pike.
 
2012-08-14 03:38:32 PM  
www.sportressofblogitude.com
 
2012-08-14 03:39:04 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wow.

I wasn't aware that the Russian navy even HAD two vessels capable of taking to the seas.


One's a tug boat for when the other breaks down.
 
2012-08-14 03:47:24 PM  

kbronsito: NallTWD: Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.

This.

Had they been a winning party of WWII or even a party that managed a negotiated peace rather than an unconditional surrender, they would have gained territories. They lost and unconditionally surrendered... territory is usually lost when that happens.


Yep!
 
2012-08-14 03:49:36 PM  
Sorry, I have to side with Japan on this one.

The JNSDF is one of the most modern navies in the World Today, Sans the United States. I'm sure they could do horrible things to two cold war Russian Ships.
 
2012-08-14 03:51:13 PM  

Girion47: rudemix: Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.

A great website for email turn based games is here Games By Email. Risk, Axis and Allies, Diplomacy, History of the World, Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, etc, etc.

If anyone is interested in a game of Axis and Allies or History of the World I'm up for it. Oh, and it's free.

I'll play, but I feel a 2 person A&A isn't that fun.


It's very much not fun. Good practice but not fun. I play with a solid group of players (solid as in make their turns regularly and don't do incredibly silly things) who play well. But I'm always looking to push the site because I've played free for over 6 years and like sharing it out, both for the benefit of the site owner (no idea who s/he is) and people who love the old games but distance, time, etc makes it hard to play with friends. If you want to start a game or have a couple friends who want to play and you need an extra body I use i­ns3­ctm­u­s­ic[nospam-﹫-backwards]oohay­*co­m for a game addy there.
 
2012-08-14 03:57:07 PM  
+1 submitter
 
2012-08-14 04:02:03 PM  

rudemix: Girion47: rudemix: Glenford: Kommunaut: Parthenogenetic: I just want to say that I hate those motherfeckers who turtle in Australia.

Except when I'm fortunate enough to grab Western Australia and/or New Guinea first.

Meh, I go for the North and South America combo (7 reinforcements/turn, only 3 entrances). Beats the easy Australia thing every time.

/never seen anyone who just turtled Australia actually win
//eventually, they get overwhelmed by the guy with 3 full continents

I have, several times. You just can't wait too long or else you're screwed.

A great website for email turn based games is here Games By Email. Risk, Axis and Allies, Diplomacy, History of the World, Chess, Checkers, Backgammon, etc, etc.

If anyone is interested in a game of Axis and Allies or History of the World I'm up for it. Oh, and it's free.

I'll play, but I feel a 2 person A&A isn't that fun.

It's very much not fun. Good practice but not fun. I play with a solid group of players (solid as in make their turns regularly and don't do incredibly silly things) who play well. But I'm always looking to push the site because I've played free for over 6 years and like sharing it out, both for the benefit of the site owner (no idea who s/he is) and people who love the old games but distance, time, etc makes it hard to play with friends. If you want to start a game or have a couple friends who want to play and you need an extra body I use ins3ctmusic[[nospam-﹫-backwards] image 7x13]oohay[* image 7x13]com for a game addy there.


I'd love to start a game, you know anyone else that'd jump in? mine is my username at Google's mail service dot com.
 
2012-08-14 04:06:33 PM  
That's where they just had the 7.7 earthquake amirite?
 
2012-08-14 04:15:57 PM  
IIRC the Soviets didn't declare war against Japan until 1945. Then backed way the fark off.

/Ka-boom went the A-Bomb!

//and yeah, that settled everything nicely
 
2012-08-14 04:18:59 PM  

jharbor: That's where they just had the 7.7 earthquake amirite?


HOLY shiat THE EARTHQUAKE MACHINE IS REAL!!!!
 
2012-08-14 04:21:58 PM  
After the collapse of the Soviet Union the Japanese tried to buy these islands back from the Russians, who needed the money. The Russians wouldn't sell. I thought this was odd, but then learned there was a good financial reason - the islands cover the entrance to the Sea of Okhotsk. Presently there is no way into that sea without crossing Russian territorial waters, which means the Russians are the only ones who get to fish there and so on. If the Kurils were returned to Japan you can bet Japanese trawlers would be in there all the time.

So in other words, the Russians are not going to return the Kurils.
 
2012-08-14 04:41:16 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Wow.

I wasn't aware that the Russian navy even HAD two vessels capable of taking to the seas.


Coincidentally, one is a tugboat.
 
2012-08-14 04:57:30 PM  
A day that will live in "meh"
 
2012-08-14 04:58:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Sorry, I have to side with Japan on this one.

The JNSDF is one of the most modern navies in the World Today, Sans the United States. I'm sure they could do horrible things to two cold war Russian Ships.


From what I've seen in Japanese movies, they would cover the Russian fleet with Semen.
 
2012-08-14 05:23:00 PM  
Remember the hot mike conversation between Putin and obama? The one where obama promised to give Putin some of Americas secrets. WOW! What a loser of a president.
 
2012-08-14 05:30:27 PM  

jharbor: That's where they just had the 7.7 earthquake amirite?


7.3 deep sea
 
2012-08-14 05:55:38 PM  
Launch Code, from what I know, every president since Carter has given away secrets to either the Russians and/or Chinese. Kuril Islands? World War Three has to start SOMEWHERE.
 
2012-08-14 06:13:38 PM  
Ryker's Peninsula: From what I've seen in Japanese movies, they would cover the Russian fleet with Semen.

Yeah, but you'll never see, because they'll blur out the gun ports.
 
2012-08-14 06:59:11 PM  
Here we go again. Many conditions the same as pre WWII. Unemployment, money value tanked, class, race, and religious conflicts in Europe. Russia with a can of gas and Japan with the matches.
 
2012-08-14 09:26:31 PM  

kbronsito: NallTWD: Eh, I find it hard to side with Japan on these territorial disputes.

This.

Had they been a winning party of WWII or even a party that managed a negotiated peace rather than an unconditional surrender, they would have gained territories. They lost and unconditionally surrendered... territory is usually lost when that happens.


I'm sure this has already been covered but...

The West enjoys screwing Japan over when it comes to territory after Victories. First example would be The Russo-Japanese War which Japan essentially won after annihilating Russia's fleet. However during the peace treaty Japan lost territory to the Russians (Sakhalin) even though they were by all counts defeating the Russians. (The peace treaty was negotiated by Teddy Roosevelt)

And then WWI Japan's Navy battled the Germans in the South Pacific as well as Africa being a fairly pivotal role. And yet at Versailles Japan got some token territory and racial equality was left off of the Treaty.

So they really had no reason to trust the West when it came to war, at the time.
 
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