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(NBC News)   74% feel voters should be required to show government ID card. Remaining 26% weren't allowed to respond   (openchannel.nbcnews.com) divider line 199
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2012-08-14 02:26:02 PM  
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2012-08-14 02:31:32 PM  
I'm OK with that *as long as* you allow people enough time to get one, ease of getting one (legally, of course) and so forth. Backhanded games isn't gonna fly with me.
 
2012-08-14 02:45:39 PM  
IF they are given out free and every effort is made between now and the end of time to reach all eligible voters.
 
2012-08-14 02:47:15 PM  
Let's solve a problem that doesn't exist.
 
2012-08-14 02:58:36 PM  
 
2012-08-14 02:59:50 PM  
Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?
 
2012-08-14 03:02:43 PM  
What happened to all that don't tread on me shiat?

Why is it the people that see gun registries as some horrifying evil support a national ID card?
 
2012-08-14 03:02:56 PM  
Great, issue a national ID card and I'll be all for it.
 
2012-08-14 03:03:17 PM  
Weiser and Wilson say that many people supporting voter ID trust the government to apply the laws fairly.

This, however, is the only thing they trust the government to do correctly.
 
2012-08-14 03:03:46 PM  

qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?


Obviously the liberal states are going to cheat and pass them out to felons and dead people if we don't have national control over IDs. And by "national control," I mean the RNC.
 
2012-08-14 03:04:32 PM  

qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?


I am. In Alaska, we have places off the road system with no DMV. Getting an ID to those places puts an unnecessary burdensome barrier for some people who should be able to vote. If your state wants to do something, that's one thing, and I won't stand in your way, but a national system would screw us.
 
2012-08-14 03:04:38 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Allegations of widespread fraud by malevolent voters are easy to make, but often prove to be inflated or inaccurate. Crying "wolf" when the claims are unsubstantiated distracts attention from real problems that need real solutions. Moreover, these claims are frequently used to justify policies - including restrictive photo identification rules - that could not solve the alleged wrongs, but that could well disenfranchise legitimate voters.


I WOULD RATHER KILL A THOUSAND INNOCENT MEN THAN LET ONE GUILTY MAN ROAM FREE
 
2012-08-14 03:05:07 PM  

xanadian: I'm OK with that *as long as* you allow people enough time to get one, ease of getting one (legally, of course) and so forth.


I'm fine with voter cards, under these rules:
1) They are 100% free
2) Including opportunity cost- which means you can't require people to go to the DMV or some other crowded office during a limited time window.
3) Lacking one doesn't prevent voting, it just categorizes your votes in a different bucket. Should an election be close, votes in that bucket can be verified after the fact.
4) Polling places can issue them, on the day of the election.
5) There's a national voting holiday.

Okay, the 5th one should happen no matter what.
 
2012-08-14 03:05:46 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Weiser and Wilson say that many people supporting voter ID trust the government to apply the laws fairly.

This, however, is the only thing they trust the government to do correctly.


Funny how they want us all to have our driver license handy at the polls, yet the very first analogy they use when talking about ineffective government services is the lines at the DMV (see the health care "debate").
 
2012-08-14 03:06:42 PM  

Name_Omitted: qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?

I am. In Alaska, we have places off the road system with no DMV. Getting an ID to those places puts an unnecessary burdensome barrier for some people who should be able to vote. If your state wants to do something, that's one thing, and I won't stand in your way, but a national system would screw us.


The federal government doesn't deliver mail to these places?
 
2012-08-14 03:08:27 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let's solve a problem that doesn't exist.


You mean like global warming?
 
MFK
2012-08-14 03:08:56 PM  
you guys do realize that even if they are "Free", we still have to farking pay for them in the form of taxes right? Even if they cost $5 is the total cost to the state, to do this nationally you would have to shell out $1.5 Billion dollars to make sure every citizen had a voter ID card.

These laws are crap. We've maintained our electoral integrity for 200+ years without a photo ID law.
 
2012-08-14 03:09:11 PM  

qorkfiend: Name_Omitted: qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?

I am. In Alaska, we have places off the road system with no DMV. Getting an ID to those places puts an unnecessary burdensome barrier for some people who should be able to vote. If your state wants to do something, that's one thing, and I won't stand in your way, but a national system would screw us.

The federal government doesn't deliver mail to these places?


If you can apply by mail, what the difference? You could send in the photo of your dead gramma and drag her corpse in to vote a second time.
 
2012-08-14 03:09:49 PM  

t3knomanser: xanadian: I'm OK with that *as long as* you allow people enough time to get one, ease of getting one (legally, of course) and so forth.

I'm fine with voter cards, under these rules:
1) They are 100% free
2) Including opportunity cost- which means you can't require people to go to the DMV or some other crowded office during a limited time window.
3) Lacking one doesn't prevent voting, it just categorizes your votes in a different bucket. Should an election be close, votes in that bucket can be verified after the fact.
4) Polling places can issue them, on the day of the election.
5) There's a national voting holiday.

Okay, the 5th one should happen no matter what.


THIS
 
2012-08-14 03:09:57 PM  
In 2003 a similar percentage of people thought invading Iraq was a great idea too.
 
2012-08-14 03:10:06 PM  
I feel like there should be some way to prove that a person is who they say they are, are registered to vote, are registered at that particular polling station, haven't voted already, aren't using the name of someone else at that polling station, etc. At my local place, we have to bring in some proof of ID with our address - a free voter's reg card that is sent through the mail. They find our name in a book, we sign by our name to mark that we are voting, and then we vote. All of that supports the integrity of the election and is really not an undue hassle to voting.
 
2012-08-14 03:10:14 PM  

xanadian: I'm OK with that *as long as* you allow people enough time to get one, ease of getting one (legally, of course) and so forth. Backhanded games isn't gonna fly with me.


That, and it needs to be free or the fee needs to be waived on fairly minimal evidence. Kind of like it is in Texas (which may account for TX not having much push-back against the ID laws, 4-6 weeks and some minimal documentation gets you an ID incredibly easily, plus they're free if you can't afford the 20$).

//Photo ID laws are still a waste of everyone's time, it's just that in TX they're "man, that was a waste of my time" and not "oh, no, an insurmountable obstacle to voting!" Most people that don't have DLs have 'em already, honestly, they're very handy-- can't buy beer or ammo without one.
 
2012-08-14 03:10:34 PM  

MFK: you guys do realize that even if they are "Free", we still have to farking pay for them in the form of taxes right? Even if they cost $5 is the total cost to the state, to do this nationally you would have to shell out $1.5 Billion dollars to make sure every citizen had a voter ID card.

These laws are crap. We've maintained our electoral integrity for 200+ years without a photo ID law.


No, can't you see? Every election that has gone to a democrat has been a fraud!
 
2012-08-14 03:11:00 PM  
A free national ID card would be great. If you charge anything for it, sorry...but seems awfully close to ignoring that whole 24th amendment poll tax thing.

I have no problems with requiring ID at the polls. But if you are going to bastardize an amendment to do it, the please explain to me again how you loves your constitution and it's all scared and shiat, teahadists?
 
2012-08-14 03:11:11 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: qorkfiend: Name_Omitted: qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?

I am. In Alaska, we have places off the road system with no DMV. Getting an ID to those places puts an unnecessary burdensome barrier for some people who should be able to vote. If your state wants to do something, that's one thing, and I won't stand in your way, but a national system would screw us.

The federal government doesn't deliver mail to these places?

If you can apply by mail, what the difference? You could send in the photo of your dead gramma and drag her corpse in to vote a second time.


I didn't say anything about applying by mail. My point is that the Feds, when sufficiently motivated, can get almost anywhere.
 
2012-08-14 03:11:19 PM  
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Ready to vote!
 
2012-08-14 03:11:50 PM  
In related news, 74% of people polled have no idea what the US Constitution says or what guaranteed constitutional rights are.
 
2012-08-14 03:11:54 PM  
I had to prove my residence.

When I farking registered to vote.

And they accepted a farkton more than just a government ID as proof, but a lot of that also at one point required you to prove where you live and prove you are a citizen.

It's a moot point anyways. No one can ask to see my ID when I vote, unless my wife wants to role play as a Republican as we vote by mail here in Oregon.
 
2012-08-14 03:13:01 PM  
They can do anything they want - but any legally registered voter who is barred from voting will have cause for action.
 
2012-08-14 03:13:27 PM  
Oh, and this will do more to prevent voter fraud than any other method I have heard proposed in the good ol' US of A.

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2012-08-14 03:14:19 PM  

t3knomanser: xanadian: I'm OK with that *as long as* you allow people enough time to get one, ease of getting one (legally, of course) and so forth.

I'm fine with voter cards, under these rules:
1) They are 100% free
2) Including opportunity cost- which means you can't require people to go to the DMV or some other crowded office during a limited time window.
3) Lacking one doesn't prevent voting, it just categorizes your votes in a different bucket. Should an election be close, votes in that bucket can be verified after the fact.
4) Polling places can issue them, on the day of the election.
5) There's a national voting holiday.

Okay, the 5th one should happen no matter what.


This. I'm a Liberal, who thinks most of this nonsense is voter suppression in disguise. But there is no arguing the logic of your statement and I would fully support this.
 
2012-08-14 03:14:29 PM  

qorkfiend: Lenny_da_Hog: qorkfiend: Name_Omitted: qorkfiend: Remind me: who is adamantly opposed to a national ID card?

I am. In Alaska, we have places off the road system with no DMV. Getting an ID to those places puts an unnecessary burdensome barrier for some people who should be able to vote. If your state wants to do something, that's one thing, and I won't stand in your way, but a national system would screw us.

The federal government doesn't deliver mail to these places?

If you can apply by mail, what the difference? You could send in the photo of your dead gramma and drag her corpse in to vote a second time.

I didn't say anything about applying by mail. My point is that the Feds, when sufficiently motivated, can get almost anywhere.


But how are the people going to interface with the feds? The problem isn't sending the ID to the voter, it's the voter showing up for the photo and providing proof. People work for a living, and they have kids to take care of, not all have access to transportation, etc.

Percentage-wise (and the Republicans KNOW this), there are going to be working-class people who don't have the time to stress out about having to make the trip.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:08 PM  
I'm fine with that as long as I'm the one who decides who gets a voter ID card.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:39 PM  
I admit, this is one of those things that sort of sounds reasonable until you actually look into it.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:42 PM  

meat0918: Oh, and this will do more to prevent voter fraud than any other method I have heard proposed in the good ol' US of A.

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Sticking your finger in my inked up B-hole won't prevent fraud.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:44 PM  
In a nation where only half the people vote, does it even farking matter?

/Have had a government-issued photo ID since I was 10 years old.
 
2012-08-14 03:15:55 PM  

t3knomanser: 3) Lacking one doesn't prevent voting, it just categorizes your votes in a different bucket. Should an election be close, votes in that bucket can be verified after the fact.


If votes can be verified after the fact, presumably that means you can find out who voted for whom? That seems a cure far worse than the disease.
 
2012-08-14 03:17:16 PM  
Purple fingers, if it worked in Irak, it can work here.
 
2012-08-14 03:17:54 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: In a nation where only half the people vote, does it even farking matter?


Well yes, when the laws are designed to prevent a decent chunk of those people from having their votes counted.
 
2012-08-14 03:17:55 PM  
Photo ID isn't enough. We need to require a physical, genetic testing, and a presentation of certified land records. How else can we make sure voters are landowning white males as our forefathers intended.
 
2012-08-14 03:18:31 PM  

qorkfiend:

The federal government doesn't deliver mail to these places?

If you can apply by mail, what the difference? You could send in the photo of your dead gramma and drag her corpse in to vote a second time.

I didn't say anything about applying by mail. My point is that the Feds, when sufficiently motivated, can get almost anywhere.


Fair enough. That being said, I don't think you will find the Feds particularly motivated to maintain rural postal service. Since we have to fight tooth and nail to maintain the USPS, relying on it to preserve the right of citizens to vote does not make me any more inclined to support a national ID card.
 
2012-08-14 03:18:42 PM  

Skanque: meat0918: Oh, and this will do more to prevent voter fraud than any other method I have heard proposed in the good ol' US of A.

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Sticking your finger in my inked up B-hole won't prevent fraud.


So someone is going to let this person vote a second time without inspecting their fingers for the indelible ink?

Or are you more concerned with voter registration fraud?

Let's not conflate the two here.
 
2012-08-14 03:19:04 PM  
Was ID required to vote in the poll?
 
2012-08-14 03:19:50 PM  
How about we make voter fraud convictions a treasonable offense?

It undermines the entire purpose of our country and is sufficiently harsh to discourage doing it.
 
2012-08-14 03:20:46 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Let's solve a problem that doesn't exist.


this.

Look farkwads, this is voter suppression pure and simple. The GOP has looked at the numbers, voting trends and the population projections and there's just no way they can survive in a democracy with free and open elections with just the votes of 150 billionaires, hillbilly retards and the every shrinking religious right. If they don't do something to chase away the mud people and the poor, they're toast.
 
2012-08-14 03:21:57 PM  
In Canada you tick a box on your tax form which asks if you want your name and address shared witht Elections Officer. Then, before the Election, you get a post card with your name and address on it, with the time, dates and places to show up to vote.

No shenanigans ... well, not a lot of shenanigans, such as partisans of a certain party which deserves to remain nameless forever ... denying voters the vote because they have no ID, or have moved, or have been told the election is another day ,or they should vote in a distant place in another country, or because they have the same name as somebody is a felon or lives in another place, or what not.

Just a card with your name on it, sent to your mail box or slipped under your door. They take the card and cross your name off the list of voters. You only have to fuss with ID if you did not receive the card or have to swear an oath to vote because you moved between tax day and Election day.

Simple isn't it? No BS with one party trying to get the dead to vote, while the other party just wants all the wrong sort of voters dead.

IT'S NOT USEFUL OR NECESSARY TO DEMAND PHOTO ID.
 
2012-08-14 03:24:25 PM  
The only voter fraud I've ever heard of was committed on a massive scale by Republicans.
 
2012-08-14 03:24:28 PM  

brantgoose: IT'S NOT USEFUL OR NECESSARY TO DEMAND PHOTO ID.


...but how else are we going to keep blah people from voting?
 
2012-08-14 03:24:54 PM  

s1ugg0: How about we make voter fraud convictions a treasonable offense?

It undermines the entire purpose of our country and is sufficiently harsh to discourage doing it.


Even better....
How about we make voter suppression a treasonable offense?
Death by Firings squads being the punishment.
 
2012-08-14 03:25:52 PM  

Farkin_Crazy: Was ID required to vote in the poll?


Not exactly required, but....

Wendy Weiser, director of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law, which opposes strict voter-ID laws, is concerned that polling on the issue misses many of the people most likely to be impacted.

"The people who don't have ID are less likely to be captured by telephone polls," she said. "They're less likely to be people who answer telephone polls and less likely to have landlines."
 
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