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(Daily Kos)   Mitt's Medicare plan is "very different" from Ryan's. It has all the things you like, but doesn't have any of the things you don't   (dailykos.com) divider line 46
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2012-08-14 01:43:39 PM
Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.
 
2012-08-14 01:54:32 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it.


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2012-08-14 01:55:59 PM
Here's a more contemporary one...

pottymouthgrandma.org
 
2012-08-14 02:01:12 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


Who in the hell are you talking about? Medicare recipients have spent their whole lives "working for it" and paying into a system so they can have healthcare available to them when they are elderly. You wait until you're 65 and trying to find anything approaching reasonably priced private health insurance and come back here whining how everyone ELSE doesn't deserve what you obviously do.

Social security and Medicare are NOT entitlements, they are earned benefits. EARNED you selfish little prick.
 
2012-08-14 02:01:18 PM
It has all the things you like, but doesn't have any of the things you don't

And not only that, but those things change depending on who he's talking to

/Quantum Lepus
 
2012-08-14 02:10:57 PM
You know, I had a whole response typed out for the boobies, with logic and an appeal to sensibility and good Christian mores (i.e., "That which you do to the least of these you do unto me," and so forth), but I figure what's the point.

F*ck you, I got mine.
 
2012-08-14 02:14:34 PM

Ambivalence: Who in the hell are you talking about? Medicare recipients have spent their whole lives "working for it" and paying into a system so they can have healthcare available to them when they are elderly. You wait until you're 65 and trying to find anything approaching reasonably priced private health insurance and come back here whining how everyone ELSE doesn't deserve what you obviously do.

Social security and Medicare are NOT entitlements, they are earned benefits. EARNED you selfish little prick.


Medicaid and SSI, not so much. I know of at least one guy who's milking the system to get disability. It happens. It may not happen ALL the time, or even a good amount of the time, but it happens.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking out for one another, though...

Oh, and that guy I mentioned somehow still manages to buy new cars & shiat. I'm not surprised that the GOP can parade people around that are like this and say, "SEE WHAT ENTITLEMENT DOES TO THIS COUNTRY!??"

So, if OP has had his world view jaded because of stuff like this, I can feel for him. If he's just trolling, then he can EABOD.

And then, of course, there are those who just want more, more, more. It's one thing that a lot of the super rich and the welfare cheats have in common: get MORE.
 
2012-08-14 02:18:06 PM

xanadian: Ambivalence: Who in the hell are you talking about? Medicare recipients have spent their whole lives "working for it" and paying into a system so they can have healthcare available to them when they are elderly. You wait until you're 65 and trying to find anything approaching reasonably priced private health insurance and come back here whining how everyone ELSE doesn't deserve what you obviously do.

Social security and Medicare are NOT entitlements, they are earned benefits. EARNED you selfish little prick.

Medicaid and SSI, not so much. I know of at least one guy who's milking the system to get disability. It happens. It may not happen ALL the time, or even a good amount of the time, but it happens.

Doesn't mean we shouldn't be looking out for one another, though...

Oh, and that guy I mentioned somehow still manages to buy new cars & shiat. I'm not surprised that the GOP can parade people around that are like this and say, "SEE WHAT ENTITLEMENT DOES TO THIS COUNTRY!??"

So, if OP has had his world view jaded because of stuff like this, I can feel for him. If he's just trolling, then he can EABOD.

And then, of course, there are those who just want more, more, more. It's one thing that a lot of the super rich and the welfare cheats have in common: get MORE.


Why don't you report him if he's cheating the system?
 
2012-08-14 02:27:12 PM

ignite ice: I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered.


so no social security or medicare for you when you retire? well, at least your putting your money where your mouth is.
 
2012-08-14 02:44:06 PM
If ignite ice's house catches on fire, he'll put out the flames with nothing more than his virile individuality.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-14 02:45:51 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


Nice straw-man, but most of the people I hear saying that are people who aren't all that successful themselves and want to believe that working makes them really special because they don't really have anything else to take pride in.
 
2012-08-14 03:02:14 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it.


Because "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" doesn't include good health.

Enjoy your life until you get sick. And then, if you're poor, please die quickly.
 
2012-08-14 03:21:23 PM

Wendy's Chili: Why don't you report him if he's cheating the system?


His former BF has already done so.
 
2012-08-14 03:26:10 PM

xanadian: Medicaid and SSI, not so much. I know of at least one guy who's milking the system to get disability. It happens. It may not happen ALL the time, or even a good amount of the time, but it happens.


People are not eligable for social security until they've paid into it for a certain timeperiod. This whole idea that people are getting social security without having earned it somehow is a myth. Now maybe they're abusing it, that's certainly possible, but the answer isn't taking it away from people who need it just so people who don't can't take advantage of it.
 
2012-08-14 04:04:41 PM

Ambivalence: but the answer isn't taking it away from people who need it just so people who don't can't take advantage of it.


I agree.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-14 04:14:55 PM

Ambivalence: xanadian: Medicaid and SSI, not so much. I know of at least one guy who's milking the system to get disability. It happens. It may not happen ALL the time, or even a good amount of the time, but it happens.

People are not eligable for social security until they've paid into it for a certain timeperiod. This whole idea that people are getting social security without having earned it somehow is a myth. Now maybe they're abusing it, that's certainly possible, but the answer isn't taking it away from people who need it just so people who don't can't take advantage of it.


Actually, people with low incomes get a much better return on their investment than people with higher incomes. That's why it's so ironic that blue collar whites are so against it. If anyone is milking the system it's them.
 
2012-08-14 04:57:34 PM
Whose plan includes repossessing all those free scooters?
 
2012-08-14 05:06:54 PM

Ambivalence: Social security and Medicare are NOT entitlements, they are earned benefits


Would you say paying into FICA, entitles them to benefits, under terms of the law?
 
2012-08-14 05:07:01 PM
But despite his claim, the only difference cited by Sununu wasn't actually part of the Medicare plan. He said that unlike Ryan's budget plan, Romney would repeal Medicare savings signed into law by President Obama. But those savings are actually a good thing; they lower the cost of Medicare without touching benefits. And the only reason they aren't in the Romney budget plan is that Romney's budget plan has almost no details.

You see, the biggest problem with the Ryan plan is that some of it agreed with Obama.
 
2012-08-14 05:09:08 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


I realize you are probably, a troll, but here, have a snack...

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2012-08-14 05:09:09 PM
Fark me... did I just see a journalist on CNN behaving like a journalist?
 
2012-08-14 05:09:29 PM
This election will be a test to see if old people are pieces of shiat that are happy to take medicare while voting to end it for everyone coming after them or not. Based on their track record I'm pretty sure I'll be smashing out windows in my twilight years to get medical treatment in jail.
 
2012-08-14 05:10:22 PM

ignite ice: That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits.


Actually, that's exactly what capitalism is all about, putting in as little as you can get away with and still make a lot of profit.
 
2012-08-14 05:10:34 PM
Without medicare, it would be literally impossible for 90% of the country to retire. You CANNOT buy health insurance at the age of 65 for anything that would fit reasonably within a retirement budget. Most insurers wouldn't sell it to you at ANY cost, unless you were part of a larger company plan.
 
2012-08-14 05:10:52 PM

ignite ice: I do work for my health insurance.


Guess what shouldn't be contingent on being employed? Living.

/please leave the planet
 
hej
2012-08-14 05:11:21 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


10/10 flawless execution.
 
2012-08-14 05:12:18 PM
Here comes another unforced error from the most predictable problem the Romney camp has faced since his tax returns. If your VP pick has specific plans, and you want to distance yourself from them, you have to give specifics of your own. There's no way around it.

The Ryan pick puts a glaring spotlight on the fact that Romney is refusing to tell voters what he will do if elected.
 
Ehh
2012-08-14 05:13:23 PM
Mercutio74: Fark me... did I just see a journalist on CNN behaving like a journalist?

Now this I gotta see!
 
2012-08-14 05:13:28 PM

Headso: This election will be a test to see if old people are pieces of shiat that are happy to take medicare while voting to end it for everyone coming after them or not. Based on their track record I'm pretty sure I'll be smashing out windows in my twilight years to get medical treatment in jail.


Don't be so discouraged.

Medicare Poll: Paul Ryan Plan Unpopular With Seniors. It's old, and I'm sure that within the week we will have new data, but I cannot imagine it sitting well with people, given it's still associated with Paul Ryan.
 
2012-08-14 05:14:27 PM

imontheinternet: Here comes another unforced error from the most predictable problem the Romney camp has faced since his tax returns. If your VP pick has specific plans, and you want to distance yourself from them, you have to give specifics of your own. There's no way around it.

The Ryan pick puts a glaring spotlight on the fact that Romney is refusing to tell voters what he will do if elected.


I read that and started looking for volleyball references.
 
Bf+
2012-08-14 05:14:35 PM

Mercutio74: Fark me... did I just see a journalist on CNN behaving like a journalist?


Seriously, Soledad has been on fire lately!
WTF is she doing on CNN?
 
2012-08-14 05:15:34 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it.


My grandfather can barely walk and when he does it's incredibly slowly and he sleeps about 16 hours a day. He can still read and think but it's significantly slower than the rest of us. He has a hearing aid but he still has a terrible time hearing, he always just passes the phone to my grandma when I call. He served in the military and fought in WWII. When he came back he held a job for over 40 years. And today he has the gall to not hold a job. Fark that guy.
 
2012-08-14 05:16:15 PM

Bf+: Mercutio74: Fark me... did I just see a journalist on CNN behaving like a journalist?

Seriously, Soledad has been on fire lately!
WTF is she doing on CNN?


Maybe the Newsroom has inspired CNN? Maybe they said, Fark it, if not one's watching anyhow, we might as well do the news.
 
2012-08-14 05:16:45 PM
So now the Romney campaign is going to have to campaign against the Ryan campaign. Well... by all means, please continue.
 
2012-08-14 05:17:16 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


"The modern conservative is engaged in one if man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness"
--John Kenneth Galbraith
 
2012-08-14 05:19:52 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


3.bp.blogspot.com
Really likes the cut of your jib
 
2012-08-14 05:34:47 PM
Romney is a robot, Ryan is a scary f*ck.

This is what you people are supporting.
 
2012-08-14 05:44:34 PM
Nobody helped me out when I was on food stamps!
 
2012-08-14 06:02:22 PM
So... it's Obama's plan?
 
2012-08-14 06:05:25 PM
Presumably it doesn't involve cutting it by hundreds of millions of dollars to cover his arse.

Don't vote Republican, they'll cut your medicare... Like we did!
 
2012-08-14 06:16:13 PM

randomjsa: Presumably it doesn't involve cutting it by hundreds of millions of dollars to cover his arse.

Don't vote Republican, they'll cut your medicare... Like we did!


You can only stretch the truth so far before it tears. No one's cut Medicare benefits but the GOP will if they have a chance. You will not convince anyone that the GOP will do more to protect Medicare than the DNC and I even doubt you believe that yourself.

Old folks have organizations (like AARP) that will tell them the truth even if they are to dumb to figure it out for themselves. Let's just say that there will be alot of people staying home on election day that would have voted GOP otherwise.
 
2012-08-14 08:50:43 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


The derp is strong in you, or you are a 9/10 troll.

We're not talking about people that simply choose not to work. Obamacare isn't the law that addressed them. We're talking about people working two jobs who still can't get an insurance plan. They're already hard at work making sure your Big Mac is cheap, they just don't have healthcare.

You are a sociopath to only care about yourself.
 
2012-08-14 11:55:08 PM

ignite ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


Let's hope you never develop a chronic illness and consequently lose your job and insurance.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:08 PM
OOH this is one of those word puzzle thingies...

ignte ice: Excuse me if I'm not overjoyed to be funding health insurance for people who don't work for it. I do work for my health insurance. I don't ask for handouts from the government, and I certainly wouldn't take them if they offered. That's not at all what capitalism is about. People seem to think that they can do the very least possible and get the very best of benefits. No, we are not the same, and you don't deserve the same privileges if you aren't going to take the initiative to earn them. Romney sees that. Obama doesn't There is no other reason so simple as that for why voting for Obama is wrong.


What is, "retarded pointless uncreative redundant not-particularly-inflammatory boilerplate flamebait"?

/what did I win?
 
2012-08-15 01:59:40 AM
Meaning, of course, that he has no plan at all.
 
2012-08-16 12:37:28 AM
For fark's sake America...

I get so exhausted just trying to wrap my head around some of the ideas that people in your country have about how life, the world, and government should and should not work, and I just get a migraine...

So how's about helping out this little autistic Canuck, eh?

For the majority of American thinking, why is or isn't this the commonly held opinion?

Taxes are unavoidable in any society above mud-dwelling, right?
You can't have a modern, functioning, first world country without
Educational Infrastructure
Transportation Infrastructure
Communication Infrastructure
Energy Infrastructure
Health and Sanitation Infrastructure
Defence
International Relations

Is this not a given?

Does it not stand to reason that any of the above are strictly necessary for a first world nation?

Does it also not stand to reason that given the non-negotiable nature of these necessities, they must be held to the highest standards achievable?

Why would you, or any reasonable-minded person for that matter, leave any one of those necessities in the hands of private individuals or corporations?

Have you never dealt with a company or any sort of business in your life before?

Given what a pain in the ass it is to fly, move, bank, shop, or get cable, when thinking of the hideous degree of difficulty dealing with OPTIONAL, UNNECESSARY things that are by unavoidable necessity the province of private enterprise, why in the hell would anyone with two brain cells to rub together want to leave MANDATORY portions of first world life in the hands of those who are clearly unequipped to provide any degree of satisfactory results?

If you don't want to leave the mandatory facets of modern life to your government, America...what the hell else do you suggest...? Because the answer sure as @#$%!!!! is not to give it to private interests.

Because to me, it looks like you're not trusting your teenage son with your baby, so instead, you're putting your two-year-old in charge...

thanks for listening.
 
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