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(Yahoo)   India decides to accentuate the positive in their Olympic experience, that their medal haul in London was double that of Beijing, rather than note that they are the 2nd most populous country on earth but managed just six medals and no golds   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 128
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2012-08-14 12:40:09 PM
Just wait until Cab Driving and Filmi Dancing are Olympic sports.
 
2012-08-14 01:01:22 PM
Too bad call center handling isn't an Olympic sport.
 
2012-08-14 01:06:45 PM
Different countries have different kind of support for different sports. If cricket was part of Olympics you'd have India as one of the favorite in that sport.

But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.
 
2012-08-14 01:08:04 PM
They're too busy taking all of our jobs.

We win once every four years, they win every day.
 
2012-08-14 01:10:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: They're too busy taking all of our jobs.

We win once every four years, they win every day.


Hopefully we can get rid of minimum wage and even more of workers rights soon, and we'll be on our way to being the India of the west in no time.
 
2012-08-14 01:11:24 PM
Please don't call the backward f*cks. They don't like it.
 
2012-08-14 01:13:59 PM

ddam: But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.


And Jamaica is swimming in money.
 
2012-08-14 01:17:26 PM

ddam: Different countries have different kind of support for different sports. If cricket was part of Olympics you'd have India as one of the favorite in that sport.

But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.


That's just bullshiat.

farking Cuba won 15 medals, 5 of them Gold ones. And even Dominican Republic managed to win a Gold one. Both countries are very poor and have 10 million inhabitants each.

DR won two medals overall, 1 gold, 1 silver and placed decently in the other sports (except the taekwondo competitor who was injured, but he won Gold in Beijing). And as someone who lives in DR let me tell you, these guys have NOTHING, like almost zero state support and get there out of pure heart.

farking India with 1.5 billion people can't get half-assed to get some medals?

It's a farking disgrace. The rest of the BRIC countries got decent medal performance (Brazil) to incredible performance (China, Russia).

India is just a mess.
 
2012-08-14 01:19:02 PM
Different priorities, I suppose. Still though, I'm surprised their government doesn't recognize the propaganda value.
 
2012-08-14 01:19:51 PM
there's 1.1 billion of them. you'd think at least one of them would just stumble into a gold medal.
 
2012-08-14 01:21:01 PM

SlothB77: there's 1.1 billion of them. you'd think at least one of them would just stumble into a gold medal.


They are expected to sweep the Taking a Dump While Washing Your Clothes event in 2016.
 
2012-08-14 01:22:21 PM
This may not be a coincidence. High population means less resources to go around, which makes it harder to breed world-class athletes. (Yes, I realize China has more people. They also have more resources.)

/Jared Diamond fan.
 
2012-08-14 01:22:58 PM
I'm sure we'll outsource all the Team USA spots out to them eventually.
 
2012-08-14 01:23:08 PM

ddam: Different countries have different kind of support for different sports. If cricket was part of Olympics you'd have India as one of the favorite in that sport.

But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.


Not even a little soccer. India has already been eliminated from the 2014 World Cup......they were eliminated in the 2nd round of qualifying, which was last year. That, and they've never even come close to qualifying (with the exception of 1950, where they withdrew because FIFA wouldn't let them play barefoot)
 
2012-08-14 01:23:18 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: ddam: But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.

And Jamaica is swimming in money.


What sports besides track and field is Jamaica good in? You can win 20 or so gold medals just in the events under 800 M.

There are only a few countries that can field a competitive team in majority of sports. The rest of the countries concentrate on the few sports that they are good at and India just happens to support a sport that even if it was in the Olympics, it would only give them a shot at only one medal.
 
2012-08-14 01:23:34 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: High Large population means less resources to go around


I guess a high population might also deplete resources, what with the bogarting of the Funyuns and such. Anyway, this is what I meant.
 
2012-08-14 01:24:58 PM
Have you ever eaten Indian food? It's impossible to train for the Olympics when you're on the shiatter all day.
 
2012-08-14 01:25:46 PM
Something a bit more in-depth than Yahoo.
 
2012-08-14 01:25:53 PM

rocky_howard: That's just bullshiat.

farking Cuba won 15 medals, 5 of them Gold ones. And even Dominican Republic managed to win a Gold one. Both countries are very poor and have 10 million inhabitants each.


A Dominican who was born in America, raised in America, went to an American college, and competes for the Dominican Republic won a gold medal. That makes it easier on the government to not have to provide money for training - just have people leave your country, use another country's infrastructure to become a world-class athlete, then have them compete for you!
 
2012-08-14 01:25:57 PM

The Muthaship: SlothB77: there's 1.1 billion of them. you'd think at least one of them would just stumble into a gold medal.

They are expected to sweep the Taking a Dump While Washing Your Clothes event in 2016.


Dude that was awesome!
 
2012-08-14 01:27:18 PM
If cricket were in the Olympics, India, Britain, and Australia would trade medals every four years.
 
2012-08-14 01:27:47 PM

ddam: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ddam: But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.

And Jamaica is swimming in money.

What sports besides track and field is Jamaica good in? You can win 20 or so gold medals just in the events under 800 M.

There are only a few countries that can field a competitive team in majority of sports. The rest of the countries concentrate on the few sports that they are good at and India just happens to support a sport that even if it was in the Olympics, it would only give them a shot at only one medal.


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Jamaica forms part of the West Indies cricket team. Also of note, it's the only sport the Asian sub-continent is good at. Go figure.
 
2012-08-14 01:28:30 PM

rocky_howard: ddam: Different countries have different kind of support for different sports. If cricket was part of Olympics you'd have India as one of the favorite in that sport.

But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.

That's just bullshiat.

farking Cuba won 15 medals, 5 of them Gold ones. And even Dominican Republic managed to win a Gold one. Both countries are very poor and have 10 million inhabitants each.

DR won two medals overall, 1 gold, 1 silver and placed decently in the other sports (except the taekwondo competitor who was injured, but he won Gold in Beijing). And as someone who lives in DR let me tell you, these guys have NOTHING, like almost zero state support and get there out of pure heart.

farking India with 1.5 billion people can't get half-assed to get some medals?

It's a farking disgrace. The rest of the BRIC countries got decent medal performance (Brazil) to incredible performance (China, Russia).

India is just a mess.


Different culture. A lot of the former communist countries invested a lot of money (maybe not now but they have in the past) to beat the western countries in competition including Olympics. That is what they used to take pride in (I should know, I'm from Romania and I know first hand how much is devoted to gymnastics in that country).

Granted, I don't know a ton of Indian people but the ones that I know have no interest in any sports except crickett.
 
2012-08-14 01:31:10 PM

ddam: You can win 20 or so gold medals just in the events under 800 M.


F*ck under 800, Jamaica won all theirs at the 200 or less mark.
 
2012-08-14 01:33:10 PM

ddam: The Stealth Hippopotamus: ddam: But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.

And Jamaica is swimming in money.

What sports besides track and field is Jamaica good in? You can win 20 or so gold medals just in the events under 800 M.

There are only a few countries that can field a competitive team in majority of sports. The rest of the countries concentrate on the few sports that they are good at and India just happens to support a sport that even if it was in the Olympics, it would only give them a shot at only one medal.


That's just a sad excuse.

Just because India happens to play a lot of cricket doesn't mean anything for the Olympics or their support. They can't get half-assed to train more people? Bullshiat.
 
2012-08-14 01:34:23 PM
It also helps to live in a country that is not at risk of the electrical grid crapping out at any given moment.

/India only cares about cricket, anyway
 
2012-08-14 01:34:29 PM

IAmRight: rocky_howard: That's just bullshiat.

farking Cuba won 15 medals, 5 of them Gold ones. And even Dominican Republic managed to win a Gold one. Both countries are very poor and have 10 million inhabitants each.

A Dominican who was born in America, raised in America, went to an American college, and competes for the Dominican Republic won a gold medal. That makes it easier on the government to not have to provide money for training - just have people leave your country, use another country's infrastructure to become a world-class athlete, then have them compete for you!


I love how you ignore the elephant in the room and focus on the ant.
 
2012-08-14 01:39:48 PM

rocky_howard: I love how you ignore the elephant in the room and focus on the ant.


You said "it's bullsh*t that they can't do it because they have no money - look at this nation, they have no money, and produced a gold medalist!"

I say "that medalist has lived in the U.S. his entire life and is a product of America who happens to compete for the D.R."

You: you're ignoring the important part of the argument to focus on the fact that the argument is based on a lie!
 
2012-08-14 01:42:31 PM
You're all missing the point. They don't care. If they did, they'd be spending more money to win more medals.

I suck at chess and you probably could smoke me. I don't care though so gloating about your victory and shaming me at my suckitude means nothing to me.

What is the sound of one hand fapping?
 
2012-08-14 01:44:22 PM

IAmRight: A Dominican who was born in America, raised in America, went to an American college, and competes for the Dominican Republic won a gold medal. That makes it easier on the government to not have to provide money for training - just have people leave your country, use another country's infrastructure to become a world-class athlete, then have them compete for you!


You would have a point if there were no India born people living in America.
 
2012-08-14 01:49:19 PM
Woolwine
ddam:
Different countries have different kind of support for different sports. If cricket was part of Olympics you'd have India as one of the favorite in that sport.
But the majority of people there are poor and there is no infrastructure to train athletes outside of cricket in that country. Maybe a little soccer but that's about it.

Not even a little soccer.


While they aren't _that_ good at it anymore (or rather: a handful of other countries caught up and has taken over in the last 2-3 decades), field hockey should still be pretty big in India.

To quote wikipedia.
"The Indian men's field hockey team is the most successful field hockey team in Olympic history with 8 gold, 1 silver, and 2 bronze medals." (I think the runner-up is Pakistan with 4 golds)
Problem is that India's last gold is from1980.
 
2012-08-14 01:50:34 PM

IAmRight: rocky_howard: I love how you ignore the elephant in the room and focus on the ant.

You said "it's bullsh*t that they can't do it because they have no money - look at this nation, they have no money, and produced a gold medalist!"

I say "that medalist has lived in the U.S. his entire life and is a product of America who happens to compete for the D.R."

You: you're ignoring the important part of the argument to focus on the fact that the argument is based on a lie!


And you're missing the Cuba point where none of the athletes fall under your scripture. 5 gold medals. India got zero.

Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.
 
2012-08-14 01:52:52 PM

12349876: You would have a point if there were no India born people living in America.


Well, that has a lot to do with how the lack of wealth within a country affects their success at the Olympics, right?
 
2012-08-14 01:57:29 PM

rocky_howard: IAmRight: rocky_howard: I love how you ignore the elephant in the room and focus on the ant.

You said "it's bullsh*t that they can't do it because they have no money - look at this nation, they have no money, and produced a gold medalist!"

I say "that medalist has lived in the U.S. his entire life and is a product of America who happens to compete for the D.R."

You: you're ignoring the important part of the argument to focus on the fact that the argument is based on a lie!

And you're missing the Cuba point where none of the athletes fall under your scripture. 5 gold medals. India got zero.

Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.


Because Cuba invests a lot of money into the sports they are good at, specifically baseball, volleyball and track an field.

How good is Cuba at hockey? Ok, not a fair question since no snow.
How good is Cuba at swimming? They are a farking island afterall.
How good is Cuba at basketball?
How good is Cuba at tennis?

I could go on and on about whatever country you can come up with and the answer is the same. Some countries support only certain sports that they have been good since they have limited funds.

As for your point that athletes train in other countries, most of those are from Africa and they go to those countries after they've had some success in the sports (mainly long distance running).

However, since the USA is very close to Latin America and a lot of colleges recruit from there for track and field, baseball, basketball, football, etc. it's a different category alltogether. If USA ever decides to be a major player in crickett you bet your ass we'll have scouts in India and we'll be importing players from there.
 
2012-08-14 01:58:40 PM

12349876: IAmRight: A Dominican who was born in America, raised in America, went to an American college, and competes for the Dominican Republic won a gold medal. That makes it easier on the government to not have to provide money for training - just have people leave your country, use another country's infrastructure to become a world-class athlete, then have them compete for you!

You would have a point if there were no India born people living in America.


Indians come to US on education visas or work visas. From Latin America they are recruited for their athletic prowess. I'm sure you're smart enough to put 2 and 2 together.
 
2012-08-14 02:00:22 PM

rocky_howard: Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.


It's not even training. By no definition is that guy Dominican, except at the Olympics.

As for Cuba,

Cuba GDP per capita: $9900
Percentage of Cubans below poverty line: 1.5%

India GDP per capita: $3700
Percentage of Indians below poverty line: 30%

Yeah, those are equivalent.
 
2012-08-14 02:01:49 PM

IAmRight: 12349876: You would have a point if there were no India born people living in America.

Well, that has a lot to do with how the lack of wealth within a country affects their success at the Olympics, right?


If Africans and Caribbeans living in developed countries can get Olympic medals, why can't Indians?
 
2012-08-14 02:05:19 PM

12349876: If Africans and Caribbeans living in developed countries can get Olympic medals, why can't Indians?


Because they focus on developing employable skills?
 
2012-08-14 02:06:18 PM

Rapmaster2000: You're all missing the point. They don't care. If they did, they'd be spending more money to win more medals.


This. It's largely cultural.

There are probably thousands of potentially world-class athletes in India who are either too busy trying to eke out something resembling a living in the slums, or whose middle class family can't abide the thought of them wasting perfectly good studying time by running around or jumping over things.

It's not a case of needing to pour money onto the issue, it's a case of needing to convince the vast majority of those 1.2 billion people that it is an issue.
 
2012-08-14 02:07:14 PM

IAmRight: rocky_howard: Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.

It's not even training. By no definition is that guy Dominican, except at the Olympics.


Okay. In Beijing 2008, India got 3 medals overall, 1 Gold. DR got 2 medals, 1 Gold.

The guy who won Gold for DR was born and bred. Guy is poor as fark and other than competitions never been out of the country. Heck, he's from the poorest province in the whole country and he got Gold in Taekwondo.

Where's your excuse now?

As for Cuba,

Cuba GDP per capita: $9900
Percentage of Cubans below poverty line: 1.5%

India GDP per capita: $3700
Percentage of Indians below poverty line: 30%

Yeah, those are equivalent.


SOCIALISM, IT WORKS!!!
 
2012-08-14 02:07:47 PM
The United States didn't even sniff the podium in table tennis, team handball, badminton, modern pentathalon, field hockey, or dressage.

How can the supposed most powerful nation in the world, a nation of 330 million people, fail at table tennis to a poor country like Thailand when every basement in America has a ping pong table?

I think it's pretty clear that America sucks now.
 
2012-08-14 02:08:53 PM

IAmRight: rocky_howard: Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.

It's not even training. By no definition is that guy Dominican, except at the Olympics.

As for Cuba,

Cuba GDP per capita: $9900
Percentage of Cubans below poverty line: 1.5%

India GDP per capita: $3700
Percentage of Indians below poverty line: 30%

Yeah, those are equivalent.


Biased numbers there. India has tons and tons of people that are dirt poor. But they also have a middle class estimated around 50 million. That's a lot more middle class than lots of European countries have total people. Why can't those 50 million win any golds?
 
2012-08-14 02:10:29 PM

12349876: IAmRight: rocky_howard: Not to mention training in developed countries is standard procedures for many many third world Olympic athletes anyway, so your point is moot.

It's not even training. By no definition is that guy Dominican, except at the Olympics.

As for Cuba,

Cuba GDP per capita: $9900
Percentage of Cubans below poverty line: 1.5%

India GDP per capita: $3700
Percentage of Indians below poverty line: 30%

Yeah, those are equivalent.

Biased numbers there. India has tons and tons of people that are dirt poor. But they also have a middle class estimated around 50 million. That's a lot more middle class than lots of European countries have total people. Why can't those 50 million win any golds?


Pretty simple answer. Because they don't give a shiat.
 
2012-08-14 02:11:18 PM

Harv72b: it's a case of needing to convince the vast majority of those 1.2 billion people that it is an issue.


And without jingoistic bullsh*t or propaganda, it's pretty much impossible.

Don't we pretty much roundly mock people for chasing goals of being professional athletes (until they actually succeed at it)? It's a career track with TERRIBLE odds. First, make the country livable and get them employed. THEN work on useless trivial sh*t like the Olympics.
 
2012-08-14 02:11:26 PM

IAmRight: 12349876: If Africans and Caribbeans living in developed countries can get Olympic medals, why can't Indians?

Because they focus on developing employable skills?


thatsracist,jpg
 
2012-08-14 02:12:33 PM

12349876: Why can't those 50 million win any golds?


Because working for a gold medal is possibly the dumbest thing someone could spend their life trying to achieve.
 
2012-08-14 02:13:00 PM

Rapmaster2000: Pretty simple answer. Because they don't give a shiat.


Agreed. That's the answer and not "boo-whoo, they're poor"
 
2012-08-14 02:14:46 PM

12349876: thatsracist,jpg


I'm sorry, there's clearly a lot of need for someone who can run fast for 100m or can punch people in the head a lot according to a set of strict rules. No one said that other Africans and folks from the Caribbean don't develop employable skills. I'm saying that pretty much none of the Olympic sports allow you to develop skills of any use in most professions.
 
2012-08-14 02:15:10 PM

IAmRight: 12349876: Why can't those 50 million win any golds?

Because working for a gold medal is possibly the dumbest thing someone could spend their life trying to achieve.


Well Usain Bolt dumbed his way to more millions than you and I will ever have.
 
2012-08-14 02:15:51 PM

12349876: Agreed. That's the answer and not "boo-whoo, they're poor"


Yes, there's always only one reason for something.

/the US as a whole doesn't give a sh*t about pretty much any of the Olympic sports, yet we produce medalists in most of 'em.
 
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