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2012-08-14 02:49:05 PM  
Packard-Bell?
 
2012-08-14 02:52:16 PM  
It depends on how they price it. If it is under $500 they will probably do pretty good. So, you have to go through the Windows Store on the non-pro version...I don't see that as a huge deal.
 
2012-08-14 02:54:23 PM  
Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.
 
2012-08-14 02:56:05 PM  
I'm actually very interested in a Windows tablet.
 
2012-08-14 02:58:30 PM  
Is this todays foaming hate Micrsoft 8 thread? Or is it hate the Microsoft tablet thread?
 
2012-08-14 03:01:20 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Is this todays foaming hate Micrsoft 8 thread? Or is it hate the Microsoft tablet thread?


Yes.
 
2012-08-14 03:02:55 PM  
I've seen rumors floating around of RT tablets being priced at $200. Mind you this is the ARM tablet not the x86 version. But for that price I'd grab one to play with.
 
2012-08-14 03:03:49 PM  
However, the company's decision to limit Windows RT devices to installing software from its store - which is not the case for other Windows 8 computers - has attracted criticism.

I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

It's not even like there's an army of developers for it. Most windows developers are doing asp.net, not desktop. People don't care for XAML.
 
2012-08-14 03:04:12 PM  

Marine1: It's the desktops that won't be loved.


Have you seen that mini-ITX all-in-one stuff? Pretttttty snazzy....

/Personally interested in one of the surface tablets with an i5 and pro.
 
2012-08-14 03:08:51 PM  

farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.


Are you referring to tablets? Because iOS is by far the biggest for home users. But then I guess if you added a fact like that it wouldn't allow for a juvenile swipe.
 
2012-08-14 03:19:24 PM  
The shiat thing is, Windows 8 tablets, no matter how much they cost or what they're capable of doing, will be blamed for being too much or not enough like iThings.
 
2012-08-14 03:22:55 PM  

farkeruk: However, the company's decision to limit Windows RT devices to installing software from its store - which is not the case for other Windows 8 computers - has attracted criticism.

I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

It's not even like there's an army of developers for it. Most windows developers are doing asp.net, not desktop. People don't care for XAML.



That depends on what your business is. Of course, I'm talking Surface Pro here. If we're just talking ARM tablets then, yeah. But there's great potential for nice WPF tablet business apps. I have a bunch of ideas I will probably try on the side but I'm also going develop something for my company's market that works on surface pro and throw it out to some clients for evaluation. I've already received positive responses and even eagerness to integrate tablet software into procedures.
 
2012-08-14 03:25:37 PM  

Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.


What?

Android makes damn fine tablets.
 
2012-08-14 03:25:51 PM  
Not too worried about Asus, since everything else they sell is pretty darn nice. They've definitely become my favorite hardware manufacturer.
 
2012-08-14 03:30:25 PM  
so the RT is $200 if the Pro is under $500 I'll get one
 
2012-08-14 03:34:13 PM  
i-cdn.apartmenttherapy.com

Windows 95 on iPad

//underground, and all that..
 
2012-08-14 03:37:20 PM  

UseUrHeadFred: Packard-Bell?


When I lived in Asia in the early 00's Packard Bell was huge there. My wife bought one before I moved over. It was the biggest piece of shiat I've ever used. Aside from the hard drive, not a single component was upgradable, and it didn't have any free PCI slots, so you couldn't make it better by adding a card, either.
 
2012-08-14 03:38:11 PM  

Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.


Big reason why I'm most likely going to buy one is I need it to be compatible with windows-based chemistry drawing programs so that I can use it as a lab notebook. That way I don't have to calculate any numbers, have much easier to read notes (I have a doctors handwriting) and I can backup the data and tie it to all the analytical data too. I'd love to do it with a android tablet but there isn't anything close to that functionality on any apps out there.

/Been waiting a decade for a decent e-notebook
 
2012-08-14 03:44:26 PM  
I'm looking forward to the Pro version. Would much rather just use one ecosystem and IDE to do web-desktop-tablet development.

Really have no idea how well this is going to work out for MS. It's either going to be a huge win or a colossal fail that ends with Balmer's head on a pike in Redmond. I'm hoping for a win and the head on a pike thing but I'm being told that's just greedy.

/ .Net code monkey
 
2012-08-14 04:00:19 PM  

Tickle Mittens: Marine1: It's the desktops that won't be loved.

Have you seen that mini-ITX all-in-one stuff? Pretttttty snazzy....

/Personally interested in one of the surface tablets with an i5 and pro.


If it's actually mini-ITX, I'd be interested. AIOs have been proprietary for far too long.
 
2012-08-14 04:23:20 PM  

Marine1: Tickle Mittens: Marine1: It's the desktops that won't be loved.

Have you seen that mini-ITX all-in-one stuff? Pretttttty snazzy....

/Personally interested in one of the surface tablets with an i5 and pro.

If it's actually mini-ITX, I'd be interested. AIOs have been proprietary for far too long.


You might like this then :)
 
2012-08-14 04:40:53 PM  

farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.


Who gives a shiat what the geeks think. When the iPad came out they declared there was no use for them and nobody would want one. Then when they began to sell a bunch of them the geeks demanded everyone call them "slates" instead because they thought tablets should be those big bulky pieces of crap with a stylus, SD card reader, eSATA plugs, AM/FM antennas and toaster oven attachments that the geeks weren't buying before either. No matter what it is the geeks won't buy it, they'll keep moving the goalposts with a dismissive "wake me up when it has a color e-Ink display at 400dpi and a 512GB SSD for $199" type demand and go back to typing on their IBM Model M keyboard. No company is going to sell anything to these people.
 
2012-08-14 05:01:06 PM  

theurge14: farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

Who gives a shiat what the geeks think. When the iPad came out they declared there was no use for them and nobody would want one. Then when they began to sell a bunch of them the geeks demanded everyone call them "slates" instead because they thought tablets should be those big bulky pieces of crap with a stylus, SD card reader, eSATA plugs, AM/FM antennas and toaster oven attachments that the geeks weren't buying before either. No matter what it is the geeks won't buy it, they'll keep moving the goalposts with a dismissive "wake me up when it has a color e-Ink display at 400dpi and a 512GB SSD for $199" type demand and go back to typing on their IBM Model M keyboard. No company is going to sell anything to these people.


Wow...as a geek, I'm going to have to point it that you're both wrong and stupid.
 
2012-08-14 05:08:36 PM  

jakrabit: theurge14: farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

Who gives a shiat what the geeks think. When the iPad came out they declared there was no use for them and nobody would want one. Then when they began to sell a bunch of them the geeks demanded everyone call them "slates" instead because they thought tablets should be those big bulky pieces of crap with a stylus, SD card reader, eSATA plugs, AM/FM antennas and toaster oven attachments that the geeks weren't buying before either. No matter what it is the geeks won't buy it, they'll keep moving the goalposts with a dismissive "wake me up when it has a color e-Ink display at 400dpi and a 512GB SSD for $199" type demand and go back to typing on their IBM Model M keyboard. No company is going to sell anything to these people.

Wow...as a geek, I'm going to have to point it that you're both wrong and stupid.


And as a geek I'd say he hits the nail on the head for the most part. Any tech site (and Fark) has a contingent of hardcore geeks that froth at the mouth any time a new device doesn't do everything they want. They try to speak for the market and say nobody would ever want one and it will flop. Occasionally it's true, but often it's spectacularly wrong.
 
2012-08-14 05:18:05 PM  

jakrabit: theurge14: farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

Who gives a shiat what the geeks think. When the iPad came out they declared there was no use for them and nobody would want one. Then when they began to sell a bunch of them the geeks demanded everyone call them "slates" instead because they thought tablets should be those big bulky pieces of crap with a stylus, SD card reader, eSATA plugs, AM/FM antennas and toaster oven attachments that the geeks weren't buying before either. No matter what it is the geeks won't buy it, they'll keep moving the goalposts with a dismissive "wake me up when it has a color e-Ink display at 400dpi and a 512GB SSD for $199" type demand and go back to typing on their IBM Model M keyboard. No company is going to sell anything to these people.

Wow...as a geek, I'm going to have to point it that you're both wrong and stupid.


Both?

:(
 
2012-08-14 05:28:53 PM  

theurge14: farkeruk: I'm trying to work out who the market is for this. Business people? Well, not if you can't roll out apps to all your staff easily. Home users? They'll go Android. Geeks? Not without the flexibility. And the hipsters and amateurs will go iOS.

Who gives a shiat what the geeks think. When the iPad came out they declared there was no use for them and nobody would want one. Then when they began to sell a bunch of them the geeks demanded everyone call them "slates" instead because they thought tablets should be those big bulky pieces of crap with a stylus, SD card reader, eSATA plugs, AM/FM antennas and toaster oven attachments that the geeks weren't buying before either. No matter what it is the geeks won't buy it, they'll keep moving the goalposts with a dismissive "wake me up when it has a color e-Ink display at 400dpi and a 512GB SSD for $199" type demand and go back to typing on their IBM Model M keyboard. No company is going to sell anything to these people.


LOL haha. Favorited. Nail on the head. And I'm a geek.
 
2012-08-14 05:43:41 PM  
Hook me up with that Vista Zune Me, biatches.
 
2012-08-14 05:47:01 PM  

Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.


Why are they looking forward to it? They don't know what it will run, they can't touch it at the moment, it's not shipping, and no one knows what the price will be.

I've been dealing with Microsofts products for over 25 years - they have always over promised and under delivered. Why by some miracle do we expect anything different this time around?

/and are you also admitting that android based tablets arent competition to the iPad?
 
2012-08-14 05:49:49 PM  

ksobby: I'm looking forward to the Pro version. Would much rather just use one ecosystem and IDE to do web-desktop-tablet development.

Really have no idea how well this is going to work out for MS. It's either going to be a huge win or a colossal fail that ends with Balmer's head on a pike in Redmond. I'm hoping for a win and the head on a pike thing but I'm being told that's just greedy.

/ .Net code monkey


I was informed by my boss that we are getting the pro versions when they are released. Should make things easier in meetings when showing the latest beta presentations etc. The fact it runs a full version of Windows 8 and I can stick Visual Studios on there makes it handy. So I be down to one laptop and one tablet, instead of two laptops and one android tablet. Should be interesting. Of course, I use my tablet mostly for Google Skymaps, which might be a problem with a Microsoft device.
 
2012-08-14 05:58:53 PM  

gingerjet: Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.

Why are they looking forward to it? They don't know what it will run, they can't touch it at the moment, it's not shipping, and no one knows what the price will be.

I've been dealing with Microsofts products for over 25 years - they have always over promised and under delivered. Why by some miracle do we expect anything different this time around?

/and are you also admitting that android based tablets arent competition to the iPad?


Tons of people were fantasizing about the iPad before it shipped. No idea on price, they couldn't touch it, they didn't know what it would run. Some failure that turned out to be.

Hell, there are people in this thread that have said as much.

Second statement is your opinion. Windows 7 was good. The Xbox 360 is good. Windows Phone 7 is at least decent. Whether or not they under deliver is far from something you can measure for everyone.

And yeah, I am saying that Android-based tablets aren't competition for the iPad. Sales numbers show this, and so do specs. Now, the OEMs could turn stuff around, but... they seem to be sputtering around with gimmicks at this point and not heading in a clear direction. I'm the least Apple-supporting person here, but I can recognize that Android tablets have had a hard time digging in against the iPad.
 
2012-08-14 07:36:08 PM  

Marine1: And yeah, I am saying that Android-based tablets aren't competition for the iPad


That is unfortunate, because Android tablets from decent OEMs are a lot more functional than iThings, just starting with basic ideas like being able to use the same file in multiple applications or being able to connect to shared folders on a network.
 
2012-08-14 08:07:16 PM  

Kanemano: so the RT is $200 if the Pro is under $500 I'll get one


They probably won't be. The Pro is essentially an ultrabook with a Core i5, so I'm going to guess it'll actually be closer to 800 or 900. I'm going to guess an RT is going to be 300-400.

The Surface RT is designed to be an iPad competitor, not a Kindle Fire or other cheap Android tablet competitor. I'm going to guess that they will be quite close in price, with MSRP maybe slightly under whatever the iPad is in October. Likewise, I'd expect the Surface Pro to be pegged to a low-end Macbook Air.

That's not to say there won't be a $200 Windows 8 RT tablet, I just don't think the Surface will be that one. Given that WP7 is considerably more lightweight of an OS than Android*, I would actually be shocked if one of the OEM's wasn't shooting down into that price range.

* (With the Tango update, WP7 can now run on 256mb RAM and an 800mhz Snapdragon)
 
2012-08-14 09:05:40 PM  

The Banana Thug: Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.

What?

Android makes damn fine tablets.


After my experiences with android on various tablets and phones, i'd agree that initially great. But after about 3 months, you have to wipe them and start over or they get laggy, crashy, and unstable.

iOS never did much for me, but at least it stays stable and responsive without needing the periodic wipes...
 
2012-08-14 09:14:37 PM  

Marine1: gingerjet: Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.

Why are they looking forward to it? They don't know what it will run, they can't touch it at the moment, it's not shipping, and no one knows what the price will be.

I've been dealing with Microsofts products for over 25 years - they have always over promised and under delivered. Why by some miracle do we expect anything different this time around?

/and are you also admitting that android based tablets arent competition to the iPad?

Tons of people were fantasizing about the iPad before it shipped. No idea on price, they couldn't touch it, they didn't know what it would run. Some failure that turned out to be.

Hell, there are people in this thread that have said as much.

Second statement is your opinion. Windows 7 was good. The Xbox 360 is good. Windows Phone 7 is at least decent. Whether or not they under deliver is far from something you can measure for everyone.

And yeah, I am saying that Android-based tablets aren't competition for the iPad. Sales numbers show this, and so do specs. Now, the OEMs could turn stuff around, but... they seem to be sputtering around with gimmicks at this point and not heading in a clear direction. I'm the least Apple-supporting person here, but I can recognize that Android tablets have had a hard time digging in against the iPad.


So, an honest question here, because I've never gotten it...why all the hate for apple? They may not make devices that are open in the way most geeks want, but for your average home user, it works, and is generally intuitive.
 
2012-08-14 09:45:13 PM  

Kit Fister: So, an honest question here, because I've never gotten it...why all the hate for apple? They may not make devices that are open in the way most geeks want, but for your average home user, it works, and is generally intuitive.


He sees alot of Kansas Jayhawk fans using iPhones and iPads and therefore misdirects his hostility for KU against Apple.

It's an honest mistake and I cannot blame him for it. I believe his heart is in the right place. :D
 
2012-08-14 10:30:06 PM  

UberDave: So, you have to go through the Windows Store on the non-pro version...I don't see that as a huge deal.


And that's these companies post losses.

If you want to move product, DON'T let the engineers and MBAs NEAR it. Make them do what you tell them to do then use beefy men and a cattle prod to keep them away away from the good (aka to the users) design and marketing strategy until it ships.
 
2012-08-14 10:58:59 PM  

Kit Fister: Marine1: gingerjet: Marine1: Actually, most people I talk to look forward to Windows 8 tablets. It's the desktops that won't be loved.

iOS needs competition, and in the tablet space, that competition is not Android.

Why are they looking forward to it? They don't know what it will run, they can't touch it at the moment, it's not shipping, and no one knows what the price will be.

I've been dealing with Microsofts products for over 25 years - they have always over promised and under delivered. Why by some miracle do we expect anything different this time around?

/and are you also admitting that android based tablets arent competition to the iPad?

Tons of people were fantasizing about the iPad before it shipped. No idea on price, they couldn't touch it, they didn't know what it would run. Some failure that turned out to be.

Hell, there are people in this thread that have said as much.

Second statement is your opinion. Windows 7 was good. The Xbox 360 is good. Windows Phone 7 is at least decent. Whether or not they under deliver is far from something you can measure for everyone.

And yeah, I am saying that Android-based tablets aren't competition for the iPad. Sales numbers show this, and so do specs. Now, the OEMs could turn stuff around, but... they seem to be sputtering around with gimmicks at this point and not heading in a clear direction. I'm the least Apple-supporting person here, but I can recognize that Android tablets have had a hard time digging in against the iPad.

So, an honest question here, because I've never gotten it...why all the hate for apple? They may not make devices that are open in the way most geeks want, but for your average home user, it works, and is generally intuitive.


It seems that whoever is wildly successful is hated. Back in the 80s and 90s when Microsoft was wildly successful there was similar hatred for Micro$oft. There were even stories going around that Bill Gates was the devil. A lot of the Microsoft hatred persists to this day, but Apple seems to be the center of attention now so they get the lion;s share of the hate.
 
2012-08-14 11:27:57 PM  

CmndrFish: That's not to say there won't be a $200 Windows 8 RT tablet, I just don't think the Surface will be that one. Given that WP7 is considerably more lightweight of an OS than Android*, I would actually be shocked if one of the OEM's wasn't shooting down into that price range


Windows 8 on ARM drags all of windows desktop in uselessly. It's lightweight like a motorcycle and sidecar.

Microsoft's OEM hardware requirements make a sub-$400 Win8 tablet extremely difficult. M$ literally does not understand why (more parts cost more money, duh) their nutty requirements can't be had under $300 with about $80 of WinRT in that cost.

/Here's a tip about Windows 8 and ARM: short Nvidia
 
2012-08-15 01:51:59 AM  

likefunbutnot: basic ideas like being able to use the same file in multiple applications


I can't tell you how many times I've been working on a document in the iPad app it was created in and lamented to myself, "I sure wish I could use this file in some other application also!"

Wait, yes I can.

Zero.
 
2012-08-15 02:06:49 AM  

Kit Fister: So, an honest question here, because I've never gotten it...why all the hate for apple? They may not make devices that are open in the way most geeks want, but for your average home user, it works, and is generally intuitive.


Yeah, I'm a geek (I run linux on my computer), and I like iOS. It's not perfect, but I wanted a non-smartphone small touchscreen device to use as a Chinese dictionary (touchscreen is essential for character input) so I got an iPod Touch. It's small, light, fast, runs smooth as hell, and easy to use. I don't get all the hate for it.
 
2012-08-15 01:13:30 PM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Kit Fister: So, an honest question here, because I've never gotten it...why all the hate for apple? They may not make devices that are open in the way most geeks want, but for your average home user, it works, and is generally intuitive.

Yeah, I'm a geek (I run linux on my computer), and I like iOS. It's not perfect, but I wanted a non-smartphone small touchscreen device to use as a Chinese dictionary (touchscreen is essential for character input) so I got an iPod Touch. It's small, light, fast, runs smooth as hell, and easy to use. I don't get all the hate for it.


People love to hate on things and call other people fanbois for liking something they don't like, bunch of little kids.

I bought an ipad because at the time android devices had a ridiculous input lag for guitars that basically made it unusable, it's still worse than ios but getting better. That fact doesn't stop people from calling me an apple fanboi because it makes them feel better about themselves i guess. God forbid they look at the actual technical specs and realize android doesn't actually do everything better.
 
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