tom baker's scarf: 7. taking a deuce.
dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.
deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."And people ask me why grammar is important.Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."
BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?
HotIgneous Intruder: Remember the legislation aimed at the snubby .38, the Saturday Night Specials? There's a reason cheap Russian rifles are popular at gun shows among the non-elites: they're CHEAP.Which brings us to the nut of the matter, beyond crazy people with guns.The rich don't want the poor to be armed. Make no mistake that most of the problems we have in this country are rich-poor problems, not conservative-liberal or left-right.Our polarization comes from people people feeling the need to defend themselves against "the other;" the poor from the rich and the rich from the poor.Mosin-Nagants are the huge red flags of class warfare.
Mose: dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.Oooh. Bravo, then. Quite the little overachiever you have there. Just be sure it really is the SAS and not Spetsnaz, or we'll all be calling for the implementation of hatchet control legislation.
stevarooni: The banning of cheap imported firearms is a combination of class snobbery and corporate greed.
HotIgneous Intruder: BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?They are a gang of fat, stupid, lethargic, delusional, uneducated idiots, morons, and imbeciles, for the most part.
Turbo Cojones: Worked pretty well on JFK...
Egoy3k: czetie: Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?/I'm OK with eitherSo you would be OK with background checks at the library bookstore, movie theater, and required background checks for magazine subscriptions cable TV service and any other media delivery service?That sounds like a terrible idea.
axeeugene: topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.CZ 58, said another article I read.That same article featured a FB post of his "new toy" Mosin Nagant M91/30 as though it proved he was a gun-crazed maniac.Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.
dittybopper: We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.
topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.
I'd like to make the argument that without violent video games to help them let off some steam, borderline people would be more likely to snap. Some violent video games after a bad day at work are better than, say, coming home and doing target practice on your neighbor's cat.I'd also like to point out to the people that always make these arguments that correlation =/= causation. Or as a bumper sticker I got for a friend of mine says:
If guns kill people then matches cause arson.
topcon: I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.
offmymeds: FTA: Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside the rental home near the campus.Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.Sorry I'm late to this thread and this has probably already been pointed out, but where does it say violent video games? Hell, he could've been playing 'Bejeweled 3' all day long for all we know. Next time read your submissions first, subby. You fail.
axeeugene: topcon:I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?/Why yes...yes it does.//BLAM!
Fish in a Barrel: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie:How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.That's essentially what the NICS Improvement Act attempted to accomplish.By law, an FFL must receive a response from the NICS within 3 days or the firearm sale can proceed, although they are not required to do so. If, after 3 days, the sale is completed and later it is determined the buyer should not have received the firearm, then the firearm must be retrieved.
topcon: I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.
cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.
Skraeling: cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.I hear mexico is doing really well too...
axeeugene: topcon:I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.I'd planned to do much the same. They're so pathetically easy to disassemble that it hardly seems sensible not to do a complete teardown and thorough cleaning after every visit to the range. No sense in tempting fate, and - perhaps perversely - I think it's kind of fun to do a complete weapons strip down. It makes me feel like less of a mechanical moron if nothing else...in spite of the fact that these rifles were obviously built to be moron-proof.
Aarontology: Absolutely.Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.
legion_of_doo: something bad happened somewhere!quick, let's ban something I don't like so I can enjoy my $5 coffee with less guilt!
KidneyStone: Sure does. Aggravated assault is not the same thing as attempted homicide.Link
Mr.Poops: Violence is widely accepted in media and never frowned upon until a mass shooting happens.Then everybody is up in arms and pointing fingers at who's to blame.I still don't understand why violence is generally accepted, but a little T&A in any movie or show is extremely taboo. I find a little nudity far more acceptable and natural versus somebody getting their head chopped off.
Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?
HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.
DontMakeMeComeBackThere: trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.Yeah, people from all around the state should have rushed in to take this guy down.You're an idiot.
NewWorldDan: I play RTS games. My legion of minions will overrun your base after my snipers disrupt your resource gathering. I will be nowhere near the carnage.
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