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2012-08-14 11:52:31 AM

Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.


It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.
 
2012-08-14 11:52:42 AM
*sigh* again really? we have to go through this again?

Other activities that homicidal maniacs have in common and there should be banned.

1. eating a pickle
2. riding in or driving a car
3. owning, watching or knowing of the existence of TV
4. reading a book
5. attending a religious service at some point in their lives
6. breathing
7. taking a deuce.
8. being batshait crazy

see if you can figure out what spurred them on to kill a bunch of people

\large numbers. you can't explain that.
 
2012-08-14 11:53:41 AM

tom baker's scarf: 7. taking a deuce.


Well, that should ring alarm bells. Normal practice is to leave them.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:23 AM

dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.

It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.


Oooh. Bravo, then. Quite the little overachiever you have there. Just be sure it really is the SAS and not Spetsnaz, or we'll all be calling for the implementation of hatchet control legislation.
 
2012-08-14 11:57:27 AM
I used to go into a violent video game called World of Warcraft,
and work on Fishing Achievements.

Someday I'll be shot by mall security after I'm seen walking to the fountain with a fishing pole.
 
2012-08-14 11:59:35 AM
His stepfather said he had basically checked out in the first place. I'm wondering if he a least tried to talk to his (kinda sorta) kid.
As far as the gun control discussion goes...whatev's. Just because your outlaw something, doesn't make it go away. If we educated instead of fear mongering /yelling down opposing views, something productive might happen, other than you spouting off your precious views.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:21 PM

deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.

Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."


Alas I've been outlawyered. I concede the point.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:33 PM

BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?


They are a gang of fat, stupid, lethargic, delusional, uneducated idiots, morons, and imbeciles, for the most part.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:45 PM
I imagine that roughly the same percentage of video game players who go on killing speeds is akin to those who has ever eaten sour patch kids candy. Now there is a problem you can solve, so hop to it.

Can we bring back state mental institutions to the proportion of population that they once were yet?
 
2012-08-14 12:02:16 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Remember the legislation aimed at the snubby .38, the Saturday Night Specials? There's a reason cheap Russian rifles are popular at gun shows among the non-elites: they're CHEAP.
Which brings us to the nut of the matter, beyond crazy people with guns.

The rich don't want the poor to be armed. Make no mistake that most of the problems we have in this country are rich-poor problems, not conservative-liberal or left-right.
Our polarization comes from people people feeling the need to defend themselves against "the other;" the poor from the rich and the rich from the poor.

Mosin-Nagants are the huge red flags of class warfare.


Yep, and look at other nations with more strict gun control, especially those with British-founded governments. The rich can get permits to get firearms. It's expensive, time-consuming, and one is always subject to scrutiny, but the rich will be able to afford to be firearms owners, while the poor can't even afford to begin the process. The banning of cheap imported firearms is a combination of class snobbery and corporate greed.
 
2012-08-14 12:04:20 PM

Mose: dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.

It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.

Oooh. Bravo, then. Quite the little overachiever you have there. Just be sure it really is the SAS and not Spetsnaz, or we'll all be calling for the implementation of hatchet control legislation.


Stasi. It'll be Homeland Security's (it hurts me to even type those two words here in the United States of America) version of the Stasi.
 
2012-08-14 12:11:12 PM
Hey subby just because some mothers have their panties in a bunch over violence video games doesn't mean they help much in the actual commission of mass murder. Sure you can throw the box at them and maybe spew some choice insults you heard during your last CoD session, but it won't help much.

Guns, on the other hand ...
 
2012-08-14 12:11:41 PM

stevarooni: The banning of cheap imported firearms is a combination of class snobbery and corporate greed.


With my recent forays into the gun world, I've found that the increase in prices for both milsurp rifles and ammunition can be directly tied to when "that guy," "you know who got elected." The gun boards are littered with guys who firmly assert 0bama caused their guns to get doubly expensive. None of them - surprise, surprise - acknowledge their own pants-shiatting "that thar ni-BONG's gunna take away are GUNZ!" behavior was the primary driver of demand and therefore dramatic rise in prices.

Still, while you apparently used to be able to snap up Mosin Nagants and SKSs for $50-$80 during the good-ol-days of the Clinton administration, now you're paying $80-$300, which I still regard as a pretty good deal, so I don't know what all the whining is about.

/In favor of strong - and reasonable - gun control laws.
 
2012-08-14 12:11:52 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?

They are a gang of fat, stupid, lethargic, delusional, uneducated idiots, morons, and imbeciles, for the most part.


Do you object to your fellow citizens voting as well?
 
2012-08-14 12:12:51 PM

Turbo Cojones: Worked pretty well on JFK...


That was a Carcano. My quip was about Mosin-Nagants, which are notoriously finicky guns. If you've ever run a few clips through one, you'd likely understand.
 
2012-08-14 12:17:56 PM

Egoy3k: czetie: Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?

/I'm OK with either

So you would be OK with background checks at the library bookstore, movie theater, and required background checks for magazine subscriptions cable TV service and any other media delivery service?

That sounds like a terrible idea.


You'd only need the background check once, then you'd be issued with a Violent Games license. Just show the license when you check out, or confirm your number when subscribing. No harder than, say, proving you are old enough to buy cigarettes or liquor.

/Some of you need to get your sense of humor recalibrated...
 
2012-08-14 12:22:28 PM

axeeugene: topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.

CZ 58, said another article I read.

That same article featured a FB post of his "new toy" Mosin Nagant M91/30 as though it proved he was a gun-crazed maniac.

Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.
 
2012-08-14 12:33:42 PM
FTA: Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside the rental home near the campus.

Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.


Sorry I'm late to this thread and this has probably already been pointed out, but where does it say violent video games? Hell, he could've been playing 'Bejeweled 3' all day long for all we know. Next time read your submissions first, subby. You fail.
 
2012-08-14 12:37:58 PM

dittybopper: We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.

The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.


Obviously the problem is evictions. If he had never been evicted, he wouldn't have snapped.
Outlaw eviction!!
 
2012-08-14 12:42:56 PM

topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.


It was a 58.
 
2012-08-14 12:48:17 PM

I'd like to make the argument that without violent video games to help them let off some steam, borderline people would be more likely to snap. Some violent video games after a bad day at work are better than, say, coming home and doing target practice on your neighbor's cat.

I'd also like to point out to the people that always make these arguments that correlation =/= causation. Or as a bumper sticker I got for a friend of mine says:


If guns kill people then matches cause arson.
 
2012-08-14 12:49:49 PM

topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.


They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!
 
2012-08-14 12:52:51 PM

offmymeds: FTA: Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside the rental home near the campus.

Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.

Sorry I'm late to this thread and this has probably already been pointed out, but where does it say violent video games? Hell, he could've been playing 'Bejeweled 3' all day long for all we know. Next time read your submissions first, subby. You fail.


Maybe he just felt like he had No Moves Left?
 
2012-08-14 01:00:19 PM
Sure, just as long as I am the only person who gets to decide what "reasonable limits" are. I don't trust any of you other assholes to be sane.
 
2012-08-14 01:02:14 PM
Why are we calling him the Texas A&M shooter? Every report I've seen says the shooting happened a few blocks off campus.
 
2012-08-14 01:06:27 PM

axeeugene: topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.

They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!


I wonder how many of these people had been taught that it's wrong to take a gun and shoot a bunch of people because you're angry that your life sucks?
 
2012-08-14 01:07:21 PM

axeeugene: topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.

They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!


Just be sure to clean them well after shooting, the surplus uses corrosive primers. (Which I'm betting you already know.)

I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.
 
2012-08-14 01:08:59 PM

Fish in a Barrel: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie:
How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.

That's essentially what the NICS Improvement Act attempted to accomplish.

By law, an FFL must receive a response from the NICS within 3 days or the firearm sale can proceed, although they are not required to do so. If, after 3 days, the sale is completed and later it is determined the buyer should not have received the firearm, then the firearm must be retrieved.


*Sad trombone*
 
2012-08-14 01:09:50 PM
Oops.

By law, an FFL must receive a response from the NICS within 3 days or the firearm sale can proceed, although they are not required to do so. If, after 3 days, the sale is completed and later it is determined the buyer should not have received the firearm, then the firearm must be retrieved.

...is via Wikipedia. Not a quote from Fish.
 
2012-08-14 01:15:17 PM
Because no one was ever murdered before video games came along...
 
2012-08-14 01:15:27 PM

topcon:
I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.


I'd planned to do much the same. They're so pathetically easy to disassemble that it hardly seems sensible not to do a complete teardown and thorough cleaning after every visit to the range. No sense in tempting fate, and - perhaps perversely - I think it's kind of fun to do a complete weapons strip down. It makes me feel like less of a mechanical moron if nothing else...in spite of the fact that these rifles were obviously built to be moron-proof.
 
2012-08-14 01:17:17 PM

cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.


I hear mexico is doing really well too...
 
2012-08-14 01:19:53 PM

Skraeling: cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.

I hear mexico is doing really well too...


And Syria
 
2012-08-14 01:20:47 PM

axeeugene: topcon:
I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.

I'd planned to do much the same. They're so pathetically easy to disassemble that it hardly seems sensible not to do a complete teardown and thorough cleaning after every visit to the range. No sense in tempting fate, and - perhaps perversely - I think it's kind of fun to do a complete weapons strip down. It makes me feel like less of a mechanical moron if nothing else...in spite of the fact that these rifles were obviously built to be moron-proof.


Yeah, they're pretty much one of the simplest guns ever to take apart.
 
2012-08-14 01:22:25 PM
He is not "The Texas A&M Shooter"

Didn't go there, didnt shoot there, no one died from there...

That is just media hype.

Let's call him Sideshow Mel
 
2012-08-14 01:35:26 PM

ringersol: KidneyStone: "There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem"

[citation needed]

And when you qualify it with "for people who already have problems", try to remember that old bit about correlation and causation.
Because your argument is as firmly grounded as claiming that ice cream, or The Price is Right, can cause problems among "the weak or troubled".


Here you go ya snarky f*ck, the link between media violence and violent people is mentioned several times in this book as well as other books.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-08-14 01:42:49 PM

Lesbian_Platypus: dittybopper: KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"

If advances in trauma care accounted for the difference, then can you please explain how the corresponding rates for aggravated assault also dropped by a corresponding percentage over the same amount of time:

1999 aggravated assault rate: 336.1 per 100,000.
2010 aggravated assault rate: 252.3 per 100,000.
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

That's a ~25% drop, close enough to the 20+% drop in homicides. If improved trauma care were a major factor in reducing homicides, how do you explain the aggravated assault rate dropping roughly the same amount? Improved trauma care doesn't matter there, and in fact all else being the same, if the homicide rate were going down because we are saving more people, the aggravated assault rate should have gone up slightly, as people who would have died ended up living. Your talking point doesn't fly. Try again.


Sure does. Aggravated assault is not the same thing as attempted homicide.

Link
 
2012-08-14 01:46:40 PM

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.


not sure you are aware there is no way in hell to simulate firing a gun in a video game without spending metric shiat tons of cash.
 
2012-08-14 01:59:07 PM
something bad happened somewhere!

quick, let's ban something I don't like so I can enjoy my $5 coffee with less guilt!
 
2012-08-14 01:59:35 PM
Ah, America, land of no personal responsibility, scapegoating out the ass, and thinking regulation = removal.
 
2012-08-14 02:17:05 PM
How about instead of being a culture whose mass media worships extreme violence and runs screaming from seeing teh boobies, we try the opposite?
 
2012-08-14 02:26:52 PM

legion_of_doo: something bad happened somewhere!

quick, let's ban something I don't like so I can enjoy my $5 coffee with less guilt!


Yeah, it's not like this happens every other week or any thing. More deaths so my security blanket gun will keep me and mine safe from a ludicrious boogeyman of my making criminals and predators!!
 
2012-08-14 02:29:49 PM

KidneyStone:

Sure does. Aggravated assault is not the same thing as attempted homicide.

Link


Oh, so now you can spell. Well done.

Oh, and BTW, your link is to a single article in an issue of Popular Science from 2003, which is about a single medical center in a single city. So... Thanks? That's practically worthless as a means of backing up your assertion.

Is that all you have? Really?
 
2012-08-14 02:30:47 PM

deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.

Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."


That didn't make the cut. Through its taxing power, the government can force us to bear arms. I'm all for it. It's about time the rich in this country give a little back so that the less fortunate can afford to exorcise exercise their basic rights. We can just add a little money to that EBT card to cover firearm purchases. May as well allow it to be used to purchase a state ID while were at it. Two problems solved at the same time...
 
2012-08-14 02:39:40 PM
Violence is widely accepted in media and never frowned upon until a mass shooting happens.

Then everybody is up in arms and pointing fingers at who's to blame.

I still don't understand why violence is generally accepted, but a little T&A in any movie or show is extremely taboo. I find a little nudity far more acceptable and natural versus somebody getting their head chopped off.
 
2012-08-14 02:56:09 PM

Mr.Poops: Violence is widely accepted in media and never frowned upon until a mass shooting happens.

Then everybody is up in arms and pointing fingers at who's to blame.

I still don't understand why violence is generally accepted, but a little T&A in any movie or show is extremely taboo. I find a little nudity far more acceptable and natural versus somebody getting their head chopped off.


exactly. I'd much rather shoot my load then a round at someone.
 
2012-08-14 03:06:38 PM

Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?


How about identifying and treating/isolating unstable people?
 
2012-08-14 03:08:02 PM
dittybopper       
 

tom baker's scarf: 7. taking a deuce.

Well, that should ring alarm bells. Normal practice is to leave them.


depends on what you have planned for that evening.
 
2012-08-14 03:14:02 PM
Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.
 
2012-08-14 03:29:25 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


How about trusting government psychologists? How about sharing the news (with neighbors & employers!). How about paying for all that!?! And feds react "in a heartbeat" only when there is a threat to their jobs.
 
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