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2012-08-14 11:21:09 AM
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2012-08-14 11:21:10 AM

HowlinPreacherMan: Texas A&M shooter preferred violent video games over working; is this finally the time for reasonable limits on video game violence and background checks on purchasers?

I prefer violent video games (hell, any video game really) to work and I haven't shot anyone, so I'd say no to both. Just because a few go off the deep end doesn't mean we all will.

Look into their background far enough and there will be another reason for their behavior, not just violent games.


I bet he drank dihydrogen monoxide. You see a lot of that in violent criminals.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:14 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


That last one is acceptable. Though it would obviously need some sort of "potentially violent condition" clause. Don't wanna scoop up a bunch of people with ADD.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:48 AM

Nem Wan: We have very few exceptions to the First Amendment right now and anybody who wants more exceptions to it should be beaten to death like in a video game that I played.


You need to go over there to the designated Free Speech Zone.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:50 AM
The rise of video games has coincided with the greatest decline in violent crime since we started tracking such things. I think the government should divert funding from law enforcement, which has a spotty record at best, to video game development, which has been shown to be an effective way to reduce violence.
 
2012-08-14 11:23:27 AM
Bull. it's easier to get guns through mods online for a game than it is to buy one unless you're in one of the few states like Tennessee where they just background check the name attached to the driver's license. Carrying it anywhere requires the red-tape of getting a license to carry
 
2012-08-14 11:23:36 AM

Fat Old Broad: I just wish people took mental illness seriously. His own family knew he was a whackadoodle and did nothing.

Forget about video game control. We need to get real about dealing with the mentally ill among us.


What, exactly, were they supposed to do? Back in the old days, you locked your mentally ill family member in the attic or basement and forbid the servants and your governess to go near the door. Then we became a bit more civilized and locked them in sort-of prisons and charged people to come tour the loonies. Then we got even more civilized and developed a sort-of treatment with theories and practices right out of the inquisition that included sticking ice picks up their eye-sockets and scrambling their frontal lobes or electrocuting their brains. Then we got even more civilized and merely locked them into hospitals and mostly took care of them, but also left them at the mercy of psychotically cruel nurses. Then we decided the hell with it, the Snake Pit thing wasn't working and cost money, and instead turned them all out into the streets to fend for themselves, thereby vastly increasing the homeless population - and that's where we more or less are right now. If you have a mentally ill family member, especially if they don't have insurance and you cannot show an immediate threat to themselves or others, you have pretty much no options except - locking them in the basement or attic and forbidding the servants to go near the door.

I agree. I think it is maybe time to re-think our handling of the mentally ill.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:08 AM

Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.


according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:11 AM
There aren't any gamers I know personally who have the get up and go away from WOW to walk into a gun show and buy something.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:11 AM
Why is Subby calling him the "Texas A&M shooter"? This was at a private residnece.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:19 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?


It's already more complicated than that, so I'm not sure what you're asking for.

How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers?

That's definitely not practical.

How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.

That's essentially what the NICS Improvement Act attempted to accomplish.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:46 AM
KidneyStone: "There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem"

[citation needed]

And when you qualify it with "for people who already have problems", try to remember that old bit about correlation and causation.
Because your argument is as firmly grounded as claiming that ice cream, or The Price is Right, can cause problems among "the weak or troubled".
 
2012-08-14 11:25:02 AM

Theaetetus: Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.

If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:

Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".


Not a health major, but wouldn't their reduced bpm simply be part of being unconscious? Still, in real life such brutal hits to the head could be fatal, or at least result in permanent brain damage.

Back on topic, you cannot truly understand the thinking of a madman. When someone goes on a murderous rampage using video game DVDs as a weapon, then we can talk.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:15 AM

KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"


If advances in trauma care accounted for the difference, then can you please explain how the corresponding rates for aggravated assault also dropped by a corresponding percentage over the same amount of time:

1999 aggravated assault rate: 336.1 per 100,000.
2010 aggravated assault rate: 252.3 per 100,000.
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

That's a ~25% drop, close enough to the 20+% drop in homicides. If improved trauma care were a major factor in reducing homicides, how do you explain the aggravated assault rate dropping roughly the same amount? Improved trauma care doesn't matter there, and in fact all else being the same, if the homicide rate were going down because we are saving more people, the aggravated assault rate should have gone up slightly, as people who would have died ended up living. Your talking point doesn't fly. Try again.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:40 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


Oh, you finally hit on something that even a gun nut like me might support, depending on the specifics, of course. This is the kinda thing that could get bi-partisan support (not in an election year, unfortunately). Your other prohibitionist views are fantasy in the current legislative and judicial environment.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:41 AM
Did he play that new FPS from Capcom, "HURRY!! THE GUB'MINT GON' STEAL YER GUNZ!!!! THAT COMMERNIST KINYIN FASHIST DICTAYTER OBAMMMA HAS ACORN TROOPS OUT TO PUT YUR FAMILY IN A FEMA CAMP AND KILL YER GRAMMA!!!!"?

No? Then, I can't possibly imagine what got into him...
 
2012-08-14 11:26:16 AM

deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:37 AM

BeezyBates: THERE WAS NO A&M SHOOTING PEOPLE! Jesus Christ. That's like saying there was a shooting at Burger King because Burger King was kind of close to where it happened.


I kept hearing about this shooting at A&M then after actually reading about it that became immediately clear. A 35year old guy living in college station (the name of the city) shoots cops coming to evict him from his home doesn't mean he was on A&M campus.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:42 AM

Kit Fister: according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.


Yes, and so how many of them, out of that subset of people above, are capable of jumping up RIGHT NOW and serving in any functional capacity as useful militia?

How about ZEE-RO percent. Yes, I think that's the answer.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:57 AM
Not that I ever would, but if I did go on a mass murdering spree I'd blame everything on games that are so non-violent they'd be banned in a NY minute. Harvest Moon, your days are numbered.

/Because I gave that biatch the blue feather and she STILL said no!
//And my cow stopped giving milk...
///Makes a man angry...so very angry...
 
2012-08-14 11:27:24 AM
silvervial: "I think it is maybe time to re-think our handling of the mentally ill."

This. The rest is a side-show so the media can sell ads and talking heads can sell books.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:13 AM
It's time to revisit our society's well-intentioned, but short-sighted and disatrous policy shift against involuntary commitment for the mentally ill. It's entirely possible that both James Holmes and this guy would have been getting the treatment that they so obviously needed.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:37 AM

kitsuneymg: "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed."


Intriguing.
But are forks to cake as guns are to militia?
Think about it.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:38 AM
Only if you require background checks on purchasers of alcohol.
 
2012-08-14 11:29:28 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.


Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.
 
2012-08-14 11:31:50 AM

Mrkos: Only if you require background checks on purchasers of alcohol.


Or smokers.
Smoking kills the equivalent of 1,000 full-loaded jumbo jets crashing every year.
Tell me 300,000 deaths per year isn't an epidemic of carnage.
 
2012-08-14 11:32:17 AM
Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.
He said Callfall's violent reaction to an eviction notice is not something he is surprised by. In fact, he said he feared Callfall could to hurt, or kill, one of his own family members in recent months....Caffall's stepfather told KHOU 11 News Reporter Drew Karedes over the telephone that he was worried his stepson was going to snap and said it was only a matter of when. When asked if the family ever brought the concerns to authorities, he answered no.


If he didn't have good health insurance, there's probably not much that would have been done. Maybe we ought to change that.
 
2012-08-14 11:32:26 AM

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


Its all males. Females are only in if they are in the national guard.

And I agree that its a justifying clause, that's the whole point. Militia =/= people. And its "the people" who are explicitly granted the right to bear arms.
 
2012-08-14 11:33:43 AM

kitsuneymg: I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.


This should freak you out then:

i48.tinypic.com

The littlebopper with his 8th birthday present.

I don't worry because I'm there to supervise whenever it comes out of the safe.
 
2012-08-14 11:33:52 AM
Politicians and Priests kill more people worldwide than anything else.
 
2012-08-14 11:35:00 AM

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


I'm in a militia? Damn, I must have missed an awful lot of meetings. Hope they won't be too mad.
 
2012-08-14 11:38:04 AM

dittybopper: HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.

Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.


That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.
 
2012-08-14 11:39:58 AM

Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)


Absolutely right. It's not fair to use such a term with a pejorative connotation. If they want to call themselves that, it's fine, just like gun-nuts have recaptured that term for themselves.

The more accurate terminology is "anti-civil-rights activist", which is more accurate in its broader scope. I have yet to hear an argument from someone opposed to the 2nd amendment that doesn't very quickly involve violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th, ramping up to propositions of violations of the 6th, 7th and 8th.
 
2012-08-14 11:43:49 AM

KidneyStone:
And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"


If he did a search for "attempted homicde + homicode", I'm guessing the numbers would be even lower. Like, none at all.

Do you even try to type correctly?
 
2012-08-14 11:44:07 AM

what_now: Caffall's stepfather told KHOU 11 News Reporter Drew Karedes over the telephone that he was worried his stepson was going to snap and said it was only a matter of when. When asked if the family ever brought the concerns to authorities he answered no.

Maybe we should do something about the state of our mental health services.


Never happen as long as we have bleeding heart social workers who think it's a Nazi Germany-level of evil for "force" people to take medication...and just as bad to lock people away in mental hospitals for something that "isn't their fault"
 
2012-08-14 11:44:27 AM

Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.


According the Jefferson and the others they were the same. The argument from the NRA is they are the same.
 
2012-08-14 11:45:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder:

That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.




We get to pick and choose which laws to ignore or practice now?

Cool, that makes a lot of things much easier.
 
2012-08-14 11:46:10 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Other spree killers weren't in to video games. Common thread is still the guns. And perhaps being mental.

But the anti-health party is the more guns party, so have fun with all of that.


Wait wait wait... please tell me you did not just insinuate that the gun held a measure of responsibility for the violent actions this guy took. That's asinine.
 
2012-08-14 11:46:34 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: dittybopper: HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.

Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.

That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.


What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?
 
2012-08-14 11:46:52 AM

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


Let's ask Madison for his take:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."
 
2012-08-14 11:46:58 AM

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


Yeah, people from all around the state should have rushed in to take this guy down.

You're an idiot.
 
2012-08-14 11:47:02 AM
Did he kill someone with a video game?
 
2012-08-14 11:47:47 AM

kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.


Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."
 
2012-08-14 11:48:24 AM

dittybopper: kitsuneymg: I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

This should freak you out then:

[i48.tinypic.com image 225x319]

The littlebopper with his 8th birthday present.

I don't worry because I'm there to supervise whenever it comes out of the safe.


I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.
 
2012-08-14 11:49:08 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.


It's not ignored. If you fit that profile (male between the ages of 17 and 45), you are liable to be called up in an emergency. Congress has the authority granted by the Militia Clauses in the Constitution to require you to appear, even against your will, and to require you to purchase your own arms and equipment.
 
2012-08-14 11:50:11 AM
Let's ask Congress at the time what a militia meant and what they meant by the Second Amendment:

On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:
[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia..
 
2012-08-14 11:50:41 AM
I play a metric crap-ton of violent video games, and the only people I've shot are my parents, school, and doctor's office. Theres. . *twitches* no. .*twitch* problem. . .*drawns gun and starts shooting*DIE GRABLESDAUGHTER, DIE!!!!
 
2012-08-14 11:51:19 AM

Carousel Beast: Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)

What would you prefer? It's an irrational label for irrational people. Look no further than this:

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.

It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!


So your plan is to stoop to their level.

Brilliant!
 
2012-08-14 11:51:33 AM

Fat Old Broad: I just wish people took mental illness seriously. His own family knew he was a whackadoodle and did nothing.

Forget about video game control. We need to get real about dealing with the mentally ill among us.


It does seem like a problem when someone's family expects something like this but doesn't even tell anyone.
 
2012-08-14 11:52:12 AM

Fish in a Barrel: axeeugene: I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.

Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Worked pretty well on JFK...

Anyway this guy's FB page is full of gun porn, Michelle Bachmann love and Tea Party ideology. Who wouldn't see this coming?
 
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