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(KHOU Houston)   Texas A&M shooter preferred violent video games over working; is this finally the time for reasonable limits on video game violence and background checks on purchasers?   (khou.com) divider line 223
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2012-08-14 10:56:25 AM  
I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:29 AM  

Carousel Beast: Eh, why not? That's essentially the argument put forth by the gun grabbers right here on Fark.


Agreed
 
2012-08-14 10:57:35 AM  
How can hours and hours of playing a game where killing humans is the goal not have an effect on impressionable minds?
 
2012-08-14 10:57:40 AM  
Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:41 AM  
Other spree killers weren't in to video games. Common thread is still the guns. And perhaps being mental.

But the anti-health party is the more guns party, so have fun with all of that.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:42 AM  

dittybopper: We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.

The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.


There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"
 
2012-08-14 10:57:54 AM  
If they thought he was going to "snap" maybe they should have made an effort to keep guns away from him. Just a thought.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:58 AM  
Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! !!!!!!

Quite trying to take the freedom of all of us because of the actions of one idiot, you freaking liberal fascists!
 
2012-08-14 10:58:00 AM  

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


If only the cops had been armed, things might have turned out differently.
 
2012-08-14 10:58:42 AM  
Too bad he wasn't working on his Nobel Prize.

/He shoulda been out standing in his field.
//So many aggie jokes, so little care.
 
2012-08-14 10:59:36 AM  

KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.


Back in my day, serial killers didn't play violent video games when they were young. They went out, they played in the fields, they tortured mice and cats. America was young and proud, then.
 
2012-08-14 10:59:54 AM  
Of course it is. These senseless video games that promote the mass murder of Nazi's, hookers, mutants, zombies, and soldiers are part of the culture of violence that needs to end. We the video game buying public demand that senseless acts of aggression and mindless violence be banned from all video games and replaced with wholesome activities like sex.
 
2012-08-14 11:00:58 AM  
Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)
 
2012-08-14 11:01:09 AM  

scuffleball: Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! !!!!!!

Quite trying to take the freedom of all of us because of the actions of one idiot, you freaking liberal fascists!


Freedom? You want to be free to kill people?
Do tell.
 
2012-08-14 11:01:17 AM  
Yes, absolutely. Mainly because I hate standing in line for new releases.
 
2012-08-14 11:02:27 AM  

topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.


CZ 58, said another article I read.

That same article featured a FB post of his "new toy" Mosin Nagant M91/30 as though it proved he was a gun-crazed maniac.

Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.
 
2012-08-14 11:02:43 AM  
Freaking camper!
 
2012-08-14 11:04:10 AM  
Video games have no purpose other than to kill others. Of course they should be banned.
 
2012-08-14 11:05:02 AM  

Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.


If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:
www.product-reviews.net
Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".
 
2012-08-14 11:05:34 AM  
I've been playing a lot of Tetris lately.
You better step off before I build some very unstable structures with questionable color palette choices
 
2012-08-14 11:05:53 AM  

trappedspirit: Freaking camper!


It's a legitimate strategy!
 
2012-08-14 11:06:02 AM  
So, I know this is off topic when it comes to video games. But I just want to point out that the "News Flash" thread yesterday said that the shooter was using "automatic weapons."

A PSL-54C is most definitely not automatic. In fact, almost every PSL-54C shipped stateside had their matching magazines (10 round) mixed up rendering most of them nearly inoperable. I owned one that jammed after every shot because the matching magazines weren't included. It's a squad designated marksman weapon which fires a full-power rifle cartridge (7.62x54mmR) and is pretty much only for reaching out an touching someone at 1000+ yards.

He also had an SKS converted to take box mags.

Neither of those is an automatic weapon, furthermore, even though a ton of people say "an SKS is easily converted to full auto" you never actually see it happen because it isn't that easy.

Sounds like The Atlantic got their panties in a bunch, or had an ear witness who couldn't differentiate different firearms firing in rapid succession.

Also, if this hadn't been near a college campus, it wouldn't even be national news.

What it DOES point to, is a renewed focus on mental health in this nation rather than a focus on "gun control."
 
2012-08-14 11:06:03 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or imped ...


Substitute guns for video games and this argument works pretty well too.
 
2012-08-14 11:08:47 AM  

axeeugene: Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


Remember the legislation aimed at the snubby .38, the Saturday Night Specials? There's a reason cheap Russian rifles are popular at gun shows among the non-elites: they're CHEAP.
Which brings us to the nut of the matter, beyond crazy people with guns.

The rich don't want the poor to be armed. Make no mistake that most of the problems we have in this country are rich-poor problems, not conservative-liberal or left-right.
Our polarization comes from people people feeling the need to defend themselves against "the other;" the poor from the rich and the rich from the poor.

Mosin-Nagants are the huge red flags of class warfare.
 
2012-08-14 11:10:19 AM  
Was he firing video games at the people or guns? Makes a huge difference in deciding which one was the lethal one.
 
2012-08-14 11:10:49 AM  

Theaetetus: Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.

If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:
[www.product-reviews.net image 500x267]
Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".


Not sure what my bodycount is in the game, but I will say that every time I see a group of thugs, it's beatdown time.
 
2012-08-14 11:11:51 AM  

axeeugene: I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.
 
2012-08-14 11:11:59 AM  
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
2012-08-14 11:13:48 AM  

deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.
The permanent professional US military has taken the place of yeoman farmers with muskets who needed to be ready to form up and kill King George's redcoats.
 
2012-08-14 11:14:14 AM  
deadcrickets

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The sundial of course gives solar time, which, except on four days of the year, is slightly different from that of a well-regulated clock.
 
2012-08-14 11:14:34 AM  

Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?


If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(
 
2012-08-14 11:14:46 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or i ...


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you just got trolled hard. Notice the highlighted portion? How can an Xbox or PS3 controller make anyone a better shot with an actual weapon?
 
2012-08-14 11:15:17 AM  
People with violent tendencies usually seek out violent forms of entertainment, but you don't necessarily have to be violent to enjoy violent entertainment/art. I'd hypothesize the chances that he was a mentally stable individual that started playing violent video games and became unstable because of them are nearly zero.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:38 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Most of the world's militaries happily used bolt-action rifles for a half a century.
Some still do, including US military snipers.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:48 AM  

Doom MD: Video games have no purpose other than to kill others. Of course they should be banned.


I can't really picture someone killing a person with a video game. Smacking them over the head with a disk maybe? Implanting a virus that makes their console explode? Is that even possible?

/Dear Mythbusters...
 
2012-08-14 11:15:51 AM  

Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)


What would you prefer? It's an irrational label for irrational people. Look no further than this:

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!
 
2012-08-14 11:15:51 AM  
deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:52 AM  
Weird, the only game I remember on his FB page saying he liked was Angry Birds, but I remember his likes for Glock, Kalashnikov, the Tea Party, and Glenn Beck.

Say, you're not just trying to divert us from the fact that this shooting is one of the many "isolated incidents" in which one of the less stable and intellectual followers of the right wing movement resorted to lethal violence, are you, subby?
 
2012-08-14 11:16:55 AM  
I blame CBS crime dramas.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:20 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'm going to be picking up Darksiders II after work.

So obviously tomorrow, I will be running through the streets on my horse with two massive scythes slicing everything I can see.

I can't wait!


I know what you mean! I've been playing a lot of Assassins Creed lately and am actively hunting for Templars in my city while I commute to work!
 
2012-08-14 11:18:21 AM  
Fish in a Barrel:
Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Haha. In my recent research online (still haven't fired mine yet...boo hoo), I've seen people snapping off ten rounds with surprising speed and facility. Stripper clips and a good, clean rifle go a long way, it seems.

Still, there can be no doubt the Mosin Nagant was clearly designed with hand-to-hand combat in mind. The quadrangular, deeply blood-grooved screwdriv- I mean bayonet! and steel buttplate are at least as badass as the cartridge-spewing end.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:21 AM  
i also prefer violent video games to working, yet here i am. (at work)
/also haven't killed anyone
 
2012-08-14 11:18:23 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(


How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:47 AM  
THERE WAS NO A&M SHOOTING PEOPLE! Jesus Christ. That's like saying there was a shooting at Burger King because Burger King was kind of close to where it happened.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:18 AM  
Zombies are socially acceptable targets. I shoot people in the head to keep them from turning. So far, I've had a 100% success rate.

You're welcome.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:20 AM  
wtf can we not troll the meme which has been disproven about the violence -> violent video games thing again?

It's bad enough we get religious groups trying to troll that shiat.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:33 AM  
We have very few exceptions to the First Amendment right now and anybody who wants more exceptions to it should be beaten to death like in a video game that I played.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:42 AM  
I hear he really enjoyed getting Collector's Editions of his favorite games. It's much easier to beat someone to death with a box set than a jewel case.

media.pcgamer.com

That dragon looks like it could do some damage.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:54 AM  
It all comes to the very simple rule that Accountability is Un-American.

Take any kid who get's caught dealing drugs, raping nuns or shooting up a school and ask his parents what the problem was. They will blame his friends, blame his school, blame heavy metal, blame video games, blame the gays, blame whatever - but one thing you will never see is parents accepting any of the blame themselves. It's never their fault that their crotch spawn that they've spent the last fifteen years psychologically sculpting just happened to turn out to be a complete psycho case. Oh no, it could never be that, we're model parents. We have an American flag on our porch and everything!

This mentality sticks with kids, who then grow up into coke snorting lawyer types who totally understand that it's not really the defendant's fault that they stabbed a bunch of hookers and jacked-off on their dismembered corpses. Society is to blame, you see, or was it heavy metal? Or video games? Or lack of gun control? Their client is just an innocent lamb, utterly devoid of free will or self determination, who has merely led astray by all the wicked sins of the world, amen.

Everyone has an excuse, everyone wants to play "Pin the Blame on the News-Pipe Scare of the Week" and nobody is ever willing to accept that anything is ever actually their own dang fault and no one else.
 
2012-08-14 11:20:46 AM  
dittybopper: "The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games."

Since when has national debate about social issues ever concerned itself with *evidence*?
 
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