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2012-08-14 08:12:21 AM  
It just say he didn't live in reality. Maybe he was playing a lot of Animal Crossing and thought the real life eviction notice was from Tom Nook.
 
2012-08-14 08:14:50 AM  
Texas A&M shooter preferred violent video games over working; is this finally the time for reasonable limits on video game violence and background checks on purchasers?

I prefer violent video games (hell, any video game really) to work and I haven't shot anyone, so I'd say no to both. Just because a few go off the deep end doesn't mean we all will.

Look into their background far enough and there will be another reason for their behavior, not just violent games.
 
2012-08-14 08:18:35 AM  
Given the number of people who play violent video games, I would say that violent video games have a pretty good murdering psycho to non-murdering psycho ratio.
 
2012-08-14 08:23:15 AM  
I knew those video game manufacturers were putting mind-control programming in their products! This proves it!
 
2012-08-14 08:23:34 AM  
Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games

Meh, just another loser. Too bad he had to try to take others out because of his pitiful existence. Good riddance.
 
2012-08-14 08:24:52 AM  
Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?

/I'm OK with either
 
2012-08-14 08:27:22 AM  

gopher321: I knew those video game manufacturers were putting mind-control programming in their products! This proves it!


Reminds me of the Bill Hicks bit about heavy metal bands sitting around and saying, "we're tired of all this money and pussy. Let's put subliminal messages in our music to make our fans kill themselves!".
 
2012-08-14 08:31:41 AM  
I use to play a ton of fps games, primarily WWII themed ones. I have never had the urge to shoot anyone........except for Germans and Japanese.......and maybe Italians.
 
2012-08-14 08:33:57 AM  
We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.

The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.
 
2012-08-14 08:35:39 AM  

czetie: Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?

/I'm OK with either


You appear to be missing an "n".
 
2012-08-14 08:35:56 AM  
How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?
 
2012-08-14 08:37:57 AM  
Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.
 
2012-08-14 08:38:39 AM  
I say we ban living with your parents after the age of....30.

/sorry newly homeless farkers
 
2012-08-14 08:38:52 AM  

czetie: Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?

/I'm OK with either


So you would be OK with background checks at the library bookstore, movie theater, and required background checks for magazine subscriptions cable TV service and any other media delivery service?

That sounds like a terrible idea.
 
2012-08-14 08:46:24 AM  

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.


Too obvious.
 
2012-08-14 08:54:24 AM  

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.


Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or impede it because ... extreme outlier example that got into the media.


I hate do gooders. You should be banned from posting, or required to take a year of logic and critical thinking, then take a test that you would be required to pass before you are allowed to participate in this part of a civilized society.

See what I did there? Applied my arbitrary morality to your dumb ass. Citing more justification for it than you did to want to ban or background check videogames. Proposing a wildly unenforcable solution based on nothing more than my own need to feel superior.

Worked too. I'm pretty awesome.
 
2012-08-14 08:57:06 AM  

Aarontology: Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator?


Somebody's been reading Grossman. Too bad all the evidence over the last decade and a half shows that he was wrong about video games.
 
2012-08-14 09:05:36 AM  
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Generation_D: holy cow


Nice job Aarontology. Reeled in a winner today.
 
2012-08-14 09:05:59 AM  

dittybopper: Aarontology: Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator?

Somebody's been reading Grossman. Too bad all the evidence over the last decade and a half shows that he was wrong about video games.


In addition, his other conclusions and the data they are based upon have also been questioned recently.
 
2012-08-14 09:39:22 AM  
I for one will not stand idly by and watch our innocent schoolchildren get harmed in these seemingly endless mass fatal beatings with pointy N-64 cartridges.
 
2012-08-14 09:52:19 AM  
Caffall's stepfather told KHOU 11 News Reporter Drew Karedes over the telephone that he was worried his stepson was going to snap and said it was only a matter of when. When asked if the family ever brought the concerns to authorities he answered no.

Maybe we should do something about the state of our mental health services.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-14 10:06:20 AM  

Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?


Yep. We just need mandatory government psychological evaluations for everyone when they turn 18.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-14 10:11:05 AM  

Tigger: I for one will not stand idly by and watch our innocent schoolchildren get harmed in these seemingly endless mass fatal beatings with pointy N-64 cartridges.


I wonder if the pointy N-64 cartridges might keep people from pointy 7.62x39 cartridges.
 
2012-08-14 10:16:06 AM  
I don't think it's proper to call this guy a shooter. I mean, yeah, literally, he shot people. But, when I think of the word "shooter" as it defines people it means someone who took a gun or two, went somewhere and just started shooting random people. This guy was served an eviction notice and shot the cop and the landlord.
 
2012-08-14 10:20:44 AM  
I'm going to be picking up Darksiders II after work.

So obviously tomorrow, I will be running through the streets on my horse with two massive scythes slicing everything I can see.

I can't wait!
 
2012-08-14 10:32:44 AM  
I swear to all things holy that if I don't beat this final level in Peggle, I'm gonna shank a b*tch.
 
2012-08-14 10:44:19 AM  

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers.



I wonder if porn simulators have a similar effect.


/Not that I've ever seen a porn simulator...(cough)
 
2012-08-14 10:44:21 AM  
The guy was evicted from his apartment. I think we need stricter eviction control.
 
2012-08-14 10:45:41 AM  
Now is not the time to have a discussion about gun control.
 
2012-08-14 10:46:16 AM  
Yes of course. We need to know what foods he ate so we can band those. What color did he like? Ban that. Every single brand of product he used, MUST be banned.
 
2012-08-14 10:47:26 AM  

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.


Certainty explains my Tetris obsession and my current career in bricklaying.
 
2012-08-14 10:47:41 AM  
A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.
 
2012-08-14 10:48:12 AM  
No more so than reasonable limits on violent movies. Oh wait, we adults can watch those too...crap we can also watch violent TV shows!!!

It's the plague!!! The plague I tell you!!!
 
2012-08-14 10:48:50 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or i ...


what you did there was get hooked.
 
2012-08-14 10:49:23 AM  
The guy obviously thought his whole plan through: Kill the first police officer who tries to evict you and BLAM, free house! Yeah, if anything, video game playing should give you some critical thinking skills.
 
2012-08-14 10:49:37 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: Yes of course. We need to know what foods he ate so we can band those. What color did he like? Ban that. Every single brand of product he used, MUST be banned.


Eh, why not? That's essentially the argument put forth by the gun grabbers right here on Fark.
 
2012-08-14 10:49:57 AM  
His facebook also said he supported Michelle Bachmann for president.

I'm not sure video games were his real problem.
 
2012-08-14 10:50:19 AM  
How about we lay the responsibility squarely on the shoulders if this particular tool?
 
2012-08-14 10:51:05 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

[snip]


So trolled.
 
2012-08-14 10:51:13 AM  
Aren't video games bigger than hollywood these days? Do we really want to start destroying one of the few profitable industries we have left?
 
2012-08-14 10:51:43 AM  
I play RTS games. My legion of minions will overrun your base after my snipers disrupt your resource gathering. I will be nowhere near the carnage.
 
2012-08-14 10:52:10 AM  
If Obama had made him buy paycheck insurance, he wouldn't have missed his rent and gotten the eviction notice to begin with.
 
2012-08-14 10:52:25 AM  
He played Angry Birds until he became an Angry Bird.
 
2012-08-14 10:52:44 AM  
Video games are the root of all evil in history.

Remember Hitler? His favorite game was Pokejew, gotta catch em all

/or gas em all, don't know which edition he had
 
2012-08-14 10:53:43 AM  
The dude was being served an eviction notice. I blame the 1%'ers with their fancy rent and what not. Everyone should be entitled to a free place to live. Then we can background check them when they want to buy games.
 
2012-08-14 10:53:54 AM  
Out of respect for the victims, this is just not the time to talk about restrictions on violent video games.
 
2012-08-14 10:53:58 AM  
The trolling attempts in this thread make me feel like I just woke up in 2000 again. Wow.

/CS:GO Beta starts tonight, I need to work on my murderin'
//or would it be more acceptable to kill robots in TF2 come Wednesday?
 
2012-08-14 10:54:25 AM  
Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.
 
2012-08-14 10:55:23 AM  
We need background checks to include interviews with neighbors, family members, and employers.
 
2012-08-14 10:56:06 AM  
I just wish people took mental illness seriously. His own family knew he was a whackadoodle and did nothing.

Forget about video game control. We need to get real about dealing with the mentally ill among us.
 
2012-08-14 10:56:25 AM  
I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:29 AM  

Carousel Beast: Eh, why not? That's essentially the argument put forth by the gun grabbers right here on Fark.


Agreed
 
2012-08-14 10:57:35 AM  
How can hours and hours of playing a game where killing humans is the goal not have an effect on impressionable minds?
 
2012-08-14 10:57:40 AM  
Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:41 AM  
Other spree killers weren't in to video games. Common thread is still the guns. And perhaps being mental.

But the anti-health party is the more guns party, so have fun with all of that.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:42 AM  

dittybopper: We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.

The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.


There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"
 
2012-08-14 10:57:54 AM  
If they thought he was going to "snap" maybe they should have made an effort to keep guns away from him. Just a thought.
 
2012-08-14 10:57:58 AM  
Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! !!!!!!

Quite trying to take the freedom of all of us because of the actions of one idiot, you freaking liberal fascists!
 
2012-08-14 10:58:00 AM  

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


If only the cops had been armed, things might have turned out differently.
 
2012-08-14 10:58:42 AM  
Too bad he wasn't working on his Nobel Prize.

/He shoulda been out standing in his field.
//So many aggie jokes, so little care.
 
2012-08-14 10:59:36 AM  

KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.


Back in my day, serial killers didn't play violent video games when they were young. They went out, they played in the fields, they tortured mice and cats. America was young and proud, then.
 
2012-08-14 10:59:54 AM  
Of course it is. These senseless video games that promote the mass murder of Nazi's, hookers, mutants, zombies, and soldiers are part of the culture of violence that needs to end. We the video game buying public demand that senseless acts of aggression and mindless violence be banned from all video games and replaced with wholesome activities like sex.
 
2012-08-14 11:00:58 AM  
Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)
 
2012-08-14 11:01:09 AM  

scuffleball: Short answer: No

Long answer: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! !!!!!!

Quite trying to take the freedom of all of us because of the actions of one idiot, you freaking liberal fascists!


Freedom? You want to be free to kill people?
Do tell.
 
2012-08-14 11:01:17 AM  
Yes, absolutely. Mainly because I hate standing in line for new releases.
 
2012-08-14 11:02:27 AM  

topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.


CZ 58, said another article I read.

That same article featured a FB post of his "new toy" Mosin Nagant M91/30 as though it proved he was a gun-crazed maniac.

Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.
 
2012-08-14 11:02:43 AM  
Freaking camper!
 
2012-08-14 11:04:10 AM  
Video games have no purpose other than to kill others. Of course they should be banned.
 
2012-08-14 11:05:02 AM  

Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.


If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:
www.product-reviews.net
Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".
 
2012-08-14 11:05:34 AM  
I've been playing a lot of Tetris lately.
You better step off before I build some very unstable structures with questionable color palette choices
 
2012-08-14 11:05:53 AM  

trappedspirit: Freaking camper!


It's a legitimate strategy!
 
2012-08-14 11:06:02 AM  
So, I know this is off topic when it comes to video games. But I just want to point out that the "News Flash" thread yesterday said that the shooter was using "automatic weapons."

A PSL-54C is most definitely not automatic. In fact, almost every PSL-54C shipped stateside had their matching magazines (10 round) mixed up rendering most of them nearly inoperable. I owned one that jammed after every shot because the matching magazines weren't included. It's a squad designated marksman weapon which fires a full-power rifle cartridge (7.62x54mmR) and is pretty much only for reaching out an touching someone at 1000+ yards.

He also had an SKS converted to take box mags.

Neither of those is an automatic weapon, furthermore, even though a ton of people say "an SKS is easily converted to full auto" you never actually see it happen because it isn't that easy.

Sounds like The Atlantic got their panties in a bunch, or had an ear witness who couldn't differentiate different firearms firing in rapid succession.

Also, if this hadn't been near a college campus, it wouldn't even be national news.

What it DOES point to, is a renewed focus on mental health in this nation rather than a focus on "gun control."
 
2012-08-14 11:06:03 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or imped ...


Substitute guns for video games and this argument works pretty well too.
 
2012-08-14 11:08:47 AM  

axeeugene: Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


Remember the legislation aimed at the snubby .38, the Saturday Night Specials? There's a reason cheap Russian rifles are popular at gun shows among the non-elites: they're CHEAP.
Which brings us to the nut of the matter, beyond crazy people with guns.

The rich don't want the poor to be armed. Make no mistake that most of the problems we have in this country are rich-poor problems, not conservative-liberal or left-right.
Our polarization comes from people people feeling the need to defend themselves against "the other;" the poor from the rich and the rich from the poor.

Mosin-Nagants are the huge red flags of class warfare.
 
2012-08-14 11:10:19 AM  
Was he firing video games at the people or guns? Makes a huge difference in deciding which one was the lethal one.
 
2012-08-14 11:10:49 AM  

Theaetetus: Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.

If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:
[www.product-reviews.net image 500x267]
Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".


Not sure what my bodycount is in the game, but I will say that every time I see a group of thugs, it's beatdown time.
 
2012-08-14 11:11:51 AM  

axeeugene: I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.
 
2012-08-14 11:11:59 AM  
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 
2012-08-14 11:13:48 AM  

deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.
The permanent professional US military has taken the place of yeoman farmers with muskets who needed to be ready to form up and kill King George's redcoats.
 
2012-08-14 11:14:14 AM  
deadcrickets

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The sundial of course gives solar time, which, except on four days of the year, is slightly different from that of a well-regulated clock.
 
2012-08-14 11:14:34 AM  

Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?


If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(
 
2012-08-14 11:14:46 AM  

Generation_D: Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.

Another awesome person who thinks TSA is a pretty good idea.

Here's the thing.

1) Murder rate has been dropping, as many have pointed out, during the same time span that videogames have gotten more violent and realistic.

2) A "murder simulator" as you so eloquently put it still requires a human being to commit a crime, murder, at the other end. Our justice system is based on moral choices, not on blindly following training.

3) 99.9999% of the owners / players of these games do not commit murder, yet you would penalize them in hopes your new background check thing would prevent someone somewhere (by what? proving they can't buy a game? They'd just download it, torrent it, steal someone's you name it).

To sum up: you are a dumbass, you have no idea what you're talking about, but you are willing to deprive non law breaking people the right to buy a videogame because you think in your little concerned heart that if you put in some sort of intrusive background check, it will prevent a psycho who wants to kill people from buying a game.

You cite no evidence your plan is going to help, and you cite no over all proof we need help, but you have this "feeling" that "we need to do something."

DO GOODERS ARE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM THEY THINK THEY'RE ADDRESSING.

Do gooders punish the law abiding so their own paranoia may be satiated, and their own need to feel like they "made a difference" is met.

I would say "typical liberal douchebag" but there's plenty of do-gooders in all political walks of life. It seems to be endemic in society any time someone other than you does something legal that you don't agree with, you want to ban or i ...


I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but you just got trolled hard. Notice the highlighted portion? How can an Xbox or PS3 controller make anyone a better shot with an actual weapon?
 
2012-08-14 11:15:17 AM  
People with violent tendencies usually seek out violent forms of entertainment, but you don't necessarily have to be violent to enjoy violent entertainment/art. I'd hypothesize the chances that he was a mentally stable individual that started playing violent video games and became unstable because of them are nearly zero.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:38 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Most of the world's militaries happily used bolt-action rifles for a half a century.
Some still do, including US military snipers.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:48 AM  

Doom MD: Video games have no purpose other than to kill others. Of course they should be banned.


I can't really picture someone killing a person with a video game. Smacking them over the head with a disk maybe? Implanting a virus that makes their console explode? Is that even possible?

/Dear Mythbusters...
 
2012-08-14 11:15:51 AM  

Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)


What would you prefer? It's an irrational label for irrational people. Look no further than this:

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!
 
2012-08-14 11:15:51 AM  
deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.
 
2012-08-14 11:15:52 AM  
Weird, the only game I remember on his FB page saying he liked was Angry Birds, but I remember his likes for Glock, Kalashnikov, the Tea Party, and Glenn Beck.

Say, you're not just trying to divert us from the fact that this shooting is one of the many "isolated incidents" in which one of the less stable and intellectual followers of the right wing movement resorted to lethal violence, are you, subby?
 
2012-08-14 11:16:55 AM  
I blame CBS crime dramas.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:20 AM  

scottydoesntknow: I'm going to be picking up Darksiders II after work.

So obviously tomorrow, I will be running through the streets on my horse with two massive scythes slicing everything I can see.

I can't wait!


I know what you mean! I've been playing a lot of Assassins Creed lately and am actively hunting for Templars in my city while I commute to work!
 
2012-08-14 11:18:21 AM  
Fish in a Barrel:
Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Haha. In my recent research online (still haven't fired mine yet...boo hoo), I've seen people snapping off ten rounds with surprising speed and facility. Stripper clips and a good, clean rifle go a long way, it seems.

Still, there can be no doubt the Mosin Nagant was clearly designed with hand-to-hand combat in mind. The quadrangular, deeply blood-grooved screwdriv- I mean bayonet! and steel buttplate are at least as badass as the cartridge-spewing end.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:21 AM  
i also prefer violent video games to working, yet here i am. (at work)
/also haven't killed anyone
 
2012-08-14 11:18:23 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(


How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.
 
2012-08-14 11:18:47 AM  
THERE WAS NO A&M SHOOTING PEOPLE! Jesus Christ. That's like saying there was a shooting at Burger King because Burger King was kind of close to where it happened.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:18 AM  
Zombies are socially acceptable targets. I shoot people in the head to keep them from turning. So far, I've had a 100% success rate.

You're welcome.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:20 AM  
wtf can we not troll the meme which has been disproven about the violence -> violent video games thing again?

It's bad enough we get religious groups trying to troll that shiat.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:33 AM  
We have very few exceptions to the First Amendment right now and anybody who wants more exceptions to it should be beaten to death like in a video game that I played.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:42 AM  
I hear he really enjoyed getting Collector's Editions of his favorite games. It's much easier to beat someone to death with a box set than a jewel case.

media.pcgamer.com

That dragon looks like it could do some damage.
 
2012-08-14 11:19:54 AM  
It all comes to the very simple rule that Accountability is Un-American.

Take any kid who get's caught dealing drugs, raping nuns or shooting up a school and ask his parents what the problem was. They will blame his friends, blame his school, blame heavy metal, blame video games, blame the gays, blame whatever - but one thing you will never see is parents accepting any of the blame themselves. It's never their fault that their crotch spawn that they've spent the last fifteen years psychologically sculpting just happened to turn out to be a complete psycho case. Oh no, it could never be that, we're model parents. We have an American flag on our porch and everything!

This mentality sticks with kids, who then grow up into coke snorting lawyer types who totally understand that it's not really the defendant's fault that they stabbed a bunch of hookers and jacked-off on their dismembered corpses. Society is to blame, you see, or was it heavy metal? Or video games? Or lack of gun control? Their client is just an innocent lamb, utterly devoid of free will or self determination, who has merely led astray by all the wicked sins of the world, amen.

Everyone has an excuse, everyone wants to play "Pin the Blame on the News-Pipe Scare of the Week" and nobody is ever willing to accept that anything is ever actually their own dang fault and no one else.
 
2012-08-14 11:20:46 AM  
dittybopper: "The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games."

Since when has national debate about social issues ever concerned itself with *evidence*?
 
2012-08-14 11:21:09 AM  
images.cheezburger.com
 
2012-08-14 11:21:10 AM  

HowlinPreacherMan: Texas A&M shooter preferred violent video games over working; is this finally the time for reasonable limits on video game violence and background checks on purchasers?

I prefer violent video games (hell, any video game really) to work and I haven't shot anyone, so I'd say no to both. Just because a few go off the deep end doesn't mean we all will.

Look into their background far enough and there will be another reason for their behavior, not just violent games.


I bet he drank dihydrogen monoxide. You see a lot of that in violent criminals.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:14 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


That last one is acceptable. Though it would obviously need some sort of "potentially violent condition" clause. Don't wanna scoop up a bunch of people with ADD.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:48 AM  

Nem Wan: We have very few exceptions to the First Amendment right now and anybody who wants more exceptions to it should be beaten to death like in a video game that I played.


You need to go over there to the designated Free Speech Zone.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:50 AM  
The rise of video games has coincided with the greatest decline in violent crime since we started tracking such things. I think the government should divert funding from law enforcement, which has a spotty record at best, to video game development, which has been shown to be an effective way to reduce violence.
 
2012-08-14 11:23:27 AM  
Bull. it's easier to get guns through mods online for a game than it is to buy one unless you're in one of the few states like Tennessee where they just background check the name attached to the driver's license. Carrying it anywhere requires the red-tape of getting a license to carry
 
2012-08-14 11:23:36 AM  

Fat Old Broad: I just wish people took mental illness seriously. His own family knew he was a whackadoodle and did nothing.

Forget about video game control. We need to get real about dealing with the mentally ill among us.


What, exactly, were they supposed to do? Back in the old days, you locked your mentally ill family member in the attic or basement and forbid the servants and your governess to go near the door. Then we became a bit more civilized and locked them in sort-of prisons and charged people to come tour the loonies. Then we got even more civilized and developed a sort-of treatment with theories and practices right out of the inquisition that included sticking ice picks up their eye-sockets and scrambling their frontal lobes or electrocuting their brains. Then we got even more civilized and merely locked them into hospitals and mostly took care of them, but also left them at the mercy of psychotically cruel nurses. Then we decided the hell with it, the Snake Pit thing wasn't working and cost money, and instead turned them all out into the streets to fend for themselves, thereby vastly increasing the homeless population - and that's where we more or less are right now. If you have a mentally ill family member, especially if they don't have insurance and you cannot show an immediate threat to themselves or others, you have pretty much no options except - locking them in the basement or attic and forbidding the servants to go near the door.

I agree. I think it is maybe time to re-think our handling of the mentally ill.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:08 AM  

Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.


according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:11 AM  
There aren't any gamers I know personally who have the get up and go away from WOW to walk into a gun show and buy something.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:11 AM  
Why is Subby calling him the "Texas A&M shooter"? This was at a private residnece.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:19 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?


It's already more complicated than that, so I'm not sure what you're asking for.

How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers?

That's definitely not practical.

How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.

That's essentially what the NICS Improvement Act attempted to accomplish.
 
2012-08-14 11:24:46 AM  
KidneyStone: "There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem"

[citation needed]

And when you qualify it with "for people who already have problems", try to remember that old bit about correlation and causation.
Because your argument is as firmly grounded as claiming that ice cream, or The Price is Right, can cause problems among "the weak or troubled".
 
2012-08-14 11:25:02 AM  

Theaetetus: Carn: I've been playing Batman Arkham City, which is really violent, except he's always non-lethal. I guess I'm supposed to go on a sleeper-hold spree now.

If you turn on Detective Mode you can see pulse rates of your adversaries:

Punch a few out or string them up "non-lethally" and then take a look. Batman has a bigger body count than any of Gotham's alleged "criminals".


Not a health major, but wouldn't their reduced bpm simply be part of being unconscious? Still, in real life such brutal hits to the head could be fatal, or at least result in permanent brain damage.

Back on topic, you cannot truly understand the thinking of a madman. When someone goes on a murderous rampage using video game DVDs as a weapon, then we can talk.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:15 AM  

KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"


If advances in trauma care accounted for the difference, then can you please explain how the corresponding rates for aggravated assault also dropped by a corresponding percentage over the same amount of time:

1999 aggravated assault rate: 336.1 per 100,000.
2010 aggravated assault rate: 252.3 per 100,000.
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

That's a ~25% drop, close enough to the 20+% drop in homicides. If improved trauma care were a major factor in reducing homicides, how do you explain the aggravated assault rate dropping roughly the same amount? Improved trauma care doesn't matter there, and in fact all else being the same, if the homicide rate were going down because we are saving more people, the aggravated assault rate should have gone up slightly, as people who would have died ended up living. Your talking point doesn't fly. Try again.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:40 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


Oh, you finally hit on something that even a gun nut like me might support, depending on the specifics, of course. This is the kinda thing that could get bi-partisan support (not in an election year, unfortunately). Your other prohibitionist views are fantasy in the current legislative and judicial environment.
 
2012-08-14 11:25:41 AM  
Did he play that new FPS from Capcom, "HURRY!! THE GUB'MINT GON' STEAL YER GUNZ!!!! THAT COMMERNIST KINYIN FASHIST DICTAYTER OBAMMMA HAS ACORN TROOPS OUT TO PUT YUR FAMILY IN A FEMA CAMP AND KILL YER GRAMMA!!!!"?

No? Then, I can't possibly imagine what got into him...
 
2012-08-14 11:26:16 AM  

deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:37 AM  

BeezyBates: THERE WAS NO A&M SHOOTING PEOPLE! Jesus Christ. That's like saying there was a shooting at Burger King because Burger King was kind of close to where it happened.


I kept hearing about this shooting at A&M then after actually reading about it that became immediately clear. A 35year old guy living in college station (the name of the city) shoots cops coming to evict him from his home doesn't mean he was on A&M campus.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:42 AM  

Kit Fister: according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.


Yes, and so how many of them, out of that subset of people above, are capable of jumping up RIGHT NOW and serving in any functional capacity as useful militia?

How about ZEE-RO percent. Yes, I think that's the answer.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:57 AM  
Not that I ever would, but if I did go on a mass murdering spree I'd blame everything on games that are so non-violent they'd be banned in a NY minute. Harvest Moon, your days are numbered.

/Because I gave that biatch the blue feather and she STILL said no!
//And my cow stopped giving milk...
///Makes a man angry...so very angry...
 
2012-08-14 11:27:24 AM  
silvervial: "I think it is maybe time to re-think our handling of the mentally ill."

This. The rest is a side-show so the media can sell ads and talking heads can sell books.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:13 AM  
It's time to revisit our society's well-intentioned, but short-sighted and disatrous policy shift against involuntary commitment for the mentally ill. It's entirely possible that both James Holmes and this guy would have been getting the treatment that they so obviously needed.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:37 AM  

kitsuneymg: "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed."


Intriguing.
But are forks to cake as guns are to militia?
Think about it.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:38 AM  
Only if you require background checks on purchasers of alcohol.
 
2012-08-14 11:29:28 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.


Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.


/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.
 
2012-08-14 11:31:50 AM  

Mrkos: Only if you require background checks on purchasers of alcohol.


Or smokers.
Smoking kills the equivalent of 1,000 full-loaded jumbo jets crashing every year.
Tell me 300,000 deaths per year isn't an epidemic of carnage.
 
2012-08-14 11:32:17 AM  
Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.
He said Callfall's violent reaction to an eviction notice is not something he is surprised by. In fact, he said he feared Callfall could to hurt, or kill, one of his own family members in recent months....Caffall's stepfather told KHOU 11 News Reporter Drew Karedes over the telephone that he was worried his stepson was going to snap and said it was only a matter of when. When asked if the family ever brought the concerns to authorities, he answered no.


If he didn't have good health insurance, there's probably not much that would have been done. Maybe we ought to change that.
 
2012-08-14 11:32:26 AM  

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


Its all males. Females are only in if they are in the national guard.

And I agree that its a justifying clause, that's the whole point. Militia =/= people. And its "the people" who are explicitly granted the right to bear arms.
 
2012-08-14 11:33:43 AM  

kitsuneymg: I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.


This should freak you out then:

i48.tinypic.com

The littlebopper with his 8th birthday present.

I don't worry because I'm there to supervise whenever it comes out of the safe.
 
2012-08-14 11:33:52 AM  
Politicians and Priests kill more people worldwide than anything else.
 
2012-08-14 11:35:00 AM  

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


I'm in a militia? Damn, I must have missed an awful lot of meetings. Hope they won't be too mad.
 
2012-08-14 11:38:04 AM  

dittybopper: HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.

Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.


That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.
 
2012-08-14 11:39:58 AM  

Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)


Absolutely right. It's not fair to use such a term with a pejorative connotation. If they want to call themselves that, it's fine, just like gun-nuts have recaptured that term for themselves.

The more accurate terminology is "anti-civil-rights activist", which is more accurate in its broader scope. I have yet to hear an argument from someone opposed to the 2nd amendment that doesn't very quickly involve violation of the 1st, 4th, and 5th, ramping up to propositions of violations of the 6th, 7th and 8th.
 
2012-08-14 11:43:49 AM  

KidneyStone:
And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"


If he did a search for "attempted homicde + homicode", I'm guessing the numbers would be even lower. Like, none at all.

Do you even try to type correctly?
 
2012-08-14 11:44:07 AM  

what_now: Caffall's stepfather told KHOU 11 News Reporter Drew Karedes over the telephone that he was worried his stepson was going to snap and said it was only a matter of when. When asked if the family ever brought the concerns to authorities he answered no.

Maybe we should do something about the state of our mental health services.


Never happen as long as we have bleeding heart social workers who think it's a Nazi Germany-level of evil for "force" people to take medication...and just as bad to lock people away in mental hospitals for something that "isn't their fault"
 
2012-08-14 11:44:27 AM  

Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.


According the Jefferson and the others they were the same. The argument from the NRA is they are the same.
 
2012-08-14 11:45:34 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder:

That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.




We get to pick and choose which laws to ignore or practice now?

Cool, that makes a lot of things much easier.
 
2012-08-14 11:46:10 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Other spree killers weren't in to video games. Common thread is still the guns. And perhaps being mental.

But the anti-health party is the more guns party, so have fun with all of that.


Wait wait wait... please tell me you did not just insinuate that the gun held a measure of responsibility for the violent actions this guy took. That's asinine.
 
2012-08-14 11:46:34 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: dittybopper: HotIgneous Intruder: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Yep. Individual citizens are neither well-regulated not militia.

Actually, yes we are, at least a large part of us are (the militia):

10 USC § 311 - Militia: composition and classes
(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are-
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

/Sadly, I'm no longer part of the militia of the United States.

That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.
That law has less than nothing to do with present realities.
In fact, I wouldn't want that gang of designated dopes to be armed and lurking in any organized way.


What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?
 
2012-08-14 11:46:52 AM  

Kit Fister: Ned Stark: deadcrickets
A well regulated  Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Not same.

according to the US Code, the militia is defined as all persons between 18 and 50 that are citizens of the united states.

That being said, the first half of the sentence does not stand to qualify the second half, based on every available piece of data from the writing styles of the times, and the US Supreme Court's ruling.

Sorry to ruin your fantasy.


Let's ask Madison for his take:

"A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."
 
2012-08-14 11:46:58 AM  

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


Yeah, people from all around the state should have rushed in to take this guy down.

You're an idiot.
 
2012-08-14 11:47:02 AM  
Did he kill someone with a video game?
 
2012-08-14 11:47:47 AM  

kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.


Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."
 
2012-08-14 11:48:24 AM  

dittybopper: kitsuneymg: I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

This should freak you out then:

[i48.tinypic.com image 225x319]

The littlebopper with his 8th birthday present.

I don't worry because I'm there to supervise whenever it comes out of the safe.


I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.
 
2012-08-14 11:49:08 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: That may be the codified law, but there are plenty of archaic laws that are ignored in fact and practice.


It's not ignored. If you fit that profile (male between the ages of 17 and 45), you are liable to be called up in an emergency. Congress has the authority granted by the Militia Clauses in the Constitution to require you to appear, even against your will, and to require you to purchase your own arms and equipment.
 
2012-08-14 11:50:11 AM  
Let's ask Congress at the time what a militia meant and what they meant by the Second Amendment:

On May 8, 1792, Congress passed "[a]n act more effectually to provide for the National Defence, by establishing an Uniform Militia throughout the United States" requiring:
[E]ach and every free able-bodied white male citizen of the respective States, resident therein, who is or shall be of age of eighteen years, and under the age of forty-five years (except as is herein after excepted) shall severally and respectively be enrolled in the militia..
 
2012-08-14 11:50:41 AM  
I play a metric crap-ton of violent video games, and the only people I've shot are my parents, school, and doctor's office. Theres. . *twitches* no. .*twitch* problem. . .*drawns gun and starts shooting*DIE GRABLESDAUGHTER, DIE!!!!
 
2012-08-14 11:51:19 AM  

Carousel Beast: Tigger: Use of the term "gun-grabber" immediately destroys your credibility btw.

(and I'm not even anti-guns)

What would you prefer? It's an irrational label for irrational people. Look no further than this:

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.

It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!


So your plan is to stoop to their level.

Brilliant!
 
2012-08-14 11:51:33 AM  

Fat Old Broad: I just wish people took mental illness seriously. His own family knew he was a whackadoodle and did nothing.

Forget about video game control. We need to get real about dealing with the mentally ill among us.


It does seem like a problem when someone's family expects something like this but doesn't even tell anyone.
 
2012-08-14 11:52:12 AM  

Fish in a Barrel: axeeugene: I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.

Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Worked pretty well on JFK...

Anyway this guy's FB page is full of gun porn, Michelle Bachmann love and Tea Party ideology. Who wouldn't see this coming?
 
2012-08-14 11:52:31 AM  

Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.


It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.
 
2012-08-14 11:52:42 AM  
*sigh* again really? we have to go through this again?

Other activities that homicidal maniacs have in common and there should be banned.

1. eating a pickle
2. riding in or driving a car
3. owning, watching or knowing of the existence of TV
4. reading a book
5. attending a religious service at some point in their lives
6. breathing
7. taking a deuce.
8. being batshait crazy

see if you can figure out what spurred them on to kill a bunch of people

\large numbers. you can't explain that.
 
2012-08-14 11:53:41 AM  

tom baker's scarf: 7. taking a deuce.


Well, that should ring alarm bells. Normal practice is to leave them.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:23 AM  

dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.

It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.


Oooh. Bravo, then. Quite the little overachiever you have there. Just be sure it really is the SAS and not Spetsnaz, or we'll all be calling for the implementation of hatchet control legislation.
 
2012-08-14 11:57:27 AM  
I used to go into a violent video game called World of Warcraft,
and work on Fishing Achievements.

Someday I'll be shot by mall security after I'm seen walking to the fountain with a fishing pole.
 
2012-08-14 11:59:35 AM  
His stepfather said he had basically checked out in the first place. I'm wondering if he a least tried to talk to his (kinda sorta) kid.
As far as the gun control discussion goes...whatev's. Just because your outlaw something, doesn't make it go away. If we educated instead of fear mongering /yelling down opposing views, something productive might happen, other than you spouting off your precious views.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:21 PM  

deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.

Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."


Alas I've been outlawyered. I concede the point.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:33 PM  

BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?


They are a gang of fat, stupid, lethargic, delusional, uneducated idiots, morons, and imbeciles, for the most part.
 
2012-08-14 12:00:45 PM  
I imagine that roughly the same percentage of video game players who go on killing speeds is akin to those who has ever eaten sour patch kids candy. Now there is a problem you can solve, so hop to it.

Can we bring back state mental institutions to the proportion of population that they once were yet?
 
2012-08-14 12:02:16 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Remember the legislation aimed at the snubby .38, the Saturday Night Specials? There's a reason cheap Russian rifles are popular at gun shows among the non-elites: they're CHEAP.
Which brings us to the nut of the matter, beyond crazy people with guns.

The rich don't want the poor to be armed. Make no mistake that most of the problems we have in this country are rich-poor problems, not conservative-liberal or left-right.
Our polarization comes from people people feeling the need to defend themselves against "the other;" the poor from the rich and the rich from the poor.

Mosin-Nagants are the huge red flags of class warfare.


Yep, and look at other nations with more strict gun control, especially those with British-founded governments. The rich can get permits to get firearms. It's expensive, time-consuming, and one is always subject to scrutiny, but the rich will be able to afford to be firearms owners, while the poor can't even afford to begin the process. The banning of cheap imported firearms is a combination of class snobbery and corporate greed.
 
2012-08-14 12:04:20 PM  

Mose: dittybopper: Mose: I don't think blindfolding him like that is a good idea. Certainly not safe weapons practice.

It's not a blindfold. He's trying out for the SAS. Most of the kids in his class play baseball or soccer, but he's a tad more ambitious.

Oooh. Bravo, then. Quite the little overachiever you have there. Just be sure it really is the SAS and not Spetsnaz, or we'll all be calling for the implementation of hatchet control legislation.


Stasi. It'll be Homeland Security's (it hurts me to even type those two words here in the United States of America) version of the Stasi.
 
2012-08-14 12:11:12 PM  
Hey subby just because some mothers have their panties in a bunch over violence video games doesn't mean they help much in the actual commission of mass murder. Sure you can throw the box at them and maybe spew some choice insults you heard during your last CoD session, but it won't help much.

Guns, on the other hand ...
 
2012-08-14 12:11:41 PM  

stevarooni: The banning of cheap imported firearms is a combination of class snobbery and corporate greed.


With my recent forays into the gun world, I've found that the increase in prices for both milsurp rifles and ammunition can be directly tied to when "that guy," "you know who got elected." The gun boards are littered with guys who firmly assert 0bama caused their guns to get doubly expensive. None of them - surprise, surprise - acknowledge their own pants-shiatting "that thar ni-BONG's gunna take away are GUNZ!" behavior was the primary driver of demand and therefore dramatic rise in prices.

Still, while you apparently used to be able to snap up Mosin Nagants and SKSs for $50-$80 during the good-ol-days of the Clinton administration, now you're paying $80-$300, which I still regard as a pretty good deal, so I don't know what all the whining is about.

/In favor of strong - and reasonable - gun control laws.
 
2012-08-14 12:11:52 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: BgJonson79: What makes you scared of your fellow citizens?

They are a gang of fat, stupid, lethargic, delusional, uneducated idiots, morons, and imbeciles, for the most part.


Do you object to your fellow citizens voting as well?
 
2012-08-14 12:12:51 PM  

Turbo Cojones: Worked pretty well on JFK...


That was a Carcano. My quip was about Mosin-Nagants, which are notoriously finicky guns. If you've ever run a few clips through one, you'd likely understand.
 
2012-08-14 12:17:56 PM  

Egoy3k: czetie: Wait, background checks on purchasers of guns or purchasers of video games?

/I'm OK with either

So you would be OK with background checks at the library bookstore, movie theater, and required background checks for magazine subscriptions cable TV service and any other media delivery service?

That sounds like a terrible idea.


You'd only need the background check once, then you'd be issued with a Violent Games license. Just show the license when you check out, or confirm your number when subscribing. No harder than, say, proving you are old enough to buy cigarettes or liquor.

/Some of you need to get your sense of humor recalibrated...
 
2012-08-14 12:22:28 PM  

axeeugene: topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.

CZ 58, said another article I read.

That same article featured a FB post of his "new toy" Mosin Nagant M91/30 as though it proved he was a gun-crazed maniac.

Setting aside the fact that I - one o' them libby-libs - am a newly proud owner of a pair of Mosins myself (my my they are addictive!), I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.


I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.
 
2012-08-14 12:33:42 PM  
FTA: Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside the rental home near the campus.

Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.


Sorry I'm late to this thread and this has probably already been pointed out, but where does it say violent video games? Hell, he could've been playing 'Bejeweled 3' all day long for all we know. Next time read your submissions first, subby. You fail.
 
2012-08-14 12:37:58 PM  

dittybopper: We had this discussion 13 years ago. The consensus then was that video games weren't the problem. Since then, video games have gotten more violent and more realistic and just as popular, if not more so, and the homicide rate has fallen from 6.05 per 100,000 in 1999 to 4.8 per 100,000 in 2010, a reduction of over 20%.

The evidence is pretty clear that it ain't the video games.


Obviously the problem is evictions. If he had never been evicted, he wouldn't have snapped.
Outlaw eviction!!
 
2012-08-14 12:42:56 PM  

topcon: A Czech gun mentioned in the article. Must have been a CZ. Wonder if it was a 75.


It was a 58.
 
2012-08-14 12:48:17 PM  

I'd like to make the argument that without violent video games to help them let off some steam, borderline people would be more likely to snap. Some violent video games after a bad day at work are better than, say, coming home and doing target practice on your neighbor's cat.

I'd also like to point out to the people that always make these arguments that correlation =/= causation. Or as a bumper sticker I got for a friend of mine says:


If guns kill people then matches cause arson.
 
2012-08-14 12:49:49 PM  

topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.


They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!
 
2012-08-14 12:52:51 PM  

offmymeds: FTA: Caffall refused to work after apparently quitting his job less than a year ago, his stepfather Richard Weaver said. He said Caffall, 35, regularly played video games inside the rental home near the campus.

Weaver said Caffall played video games so much that he lived outside the realm of reality.

Sorry I'm late to this thread and this has probably already been pointed out, but where does it say violent video games? Hell, he could've been playing 'Bejeweled 3' all day long for all we know. Next time read your submissions first, subby. You fail.


Maybe he just felt like he had No Moves Left?
 
2012-08-14 01:00:19 PM  
Sure, just as long as I am the only person who gets to decide what "reasonable limits" are. I don't trust any of you other assholes to be sane.
 
2012-08-14 01:02:14 PM  
Why are we calling him the Texas A&M shooter? Every report I've seen says the shooting happened a few blocks off campus.
 
2012-08-14 01:06:27 PM  

axeeugene: topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.

They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!


I wonder how many of these people had been taught that it's wrong to take a gun and shoot a bunch of people because you're angry that your life sucks?
 
2012-08-14 01:07:21 PM  

axeeugene: topcon:
I've got two myself, a 91/30 and a M44, and a couple thousand rounds of 1950's ammo. Good fun for the price.

They sure do seem like it. If things go well I should finally get a chance to put a few rounds through one this weekend. I even bought some ancient Russian surplus ammo ('47!) on stripper clips for the purpose. Should be a blast :)

I grew up in a household full of guns and very clearly spelled-out rules on their handling, so I think I'm a little less spastic about them than a lot of people who've never touched one, even though until very recently I was adamant that I'd never personally own a gun myself.

Either way, it's clear based on the string of mass shootings our country has gone through over the last decade that something is terribly wrong here. To me the best answer isn't one answer; it's a whole slate of different answers that should be addressed in tandem. Do we need a better mental health system? Obviously. Do we need better policing of gun sales? I think so. Should guns be more restricted than they currently are? String me up if you want, but I believe they should.

The one thing that *doesn't* make any sense to me is the notion that video games play any part in this. I've been playing Grand Theft Auto for over a decade, taking perverse pleasure in all manner of violent depravity on the XBox. Does that make me a potential menace to society?

/Why yes...yes it does.
//BLAM!


Just be sure to clean them well after shooting, the surplus uses corrosive primers. (Which I'm betting you already know.)

I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.
 
2012-08-14 01:08:59 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie:
How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.

That's essentially what the NICS Improvement Act attempted to accomplish.

By law, an FFL must receive a response from the NICS within 3 days or the firearm sale can proceed, although they are not required to do so. If, after 3 days, the sale is completed and later it is determined the buyer should not have received the firearm, then the firearm must be retrieved.


*Sad trombone*
 
2012-08-14 01:09:50 PM  
Oops.

By law, an FFL must receive a response from the NICS within 3 days or the firearm sale can proceed, although they are not required to do so. If, after 3 days, the sale is completed and later it is determined the buyer should not have received the firearm, then the firearm must be retrieved.

...is via Wikipedia. Not a quote from Fish.
 
2012-08-14 01:15:17 PM  
Because no one was ever murdered before video games came along...
 
2012-08-14 01:15:27 PM  

topcon:
I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.


I'd planned to do much the same. They're so pathetically easy to disassemble that it hardly seems sensible not to do a complete teardown and thorough cleaning after every visit to the range. No sense in tempting fate, and - perhaps perversely - I think it's kind of fun to do a complete weapons strip down. It makes me feel like less of a mechanical moron if nothing else...in spite of the fact that these rifles were obviously built to be moron-proof.
 
2012-08-14 01:17:17 PM  

cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.


I hear mexico is doing really well too...
 
2012-08-14 01:19:53 PM  

Skraeling: cryinoutloud: Who? Oh, another shooting? Boy, what a shocking development in a country with tons of guns and little personal responsibility.

I hear mexico is doing really well too...


And Syria
 
2012-08-14 01:20:47 PM  

axeeugene: topcon:
I actually strip mine down completely and spray them out with water, pat dry, and then douse with lubricant, then dry that off. It's simpler than it sounds. Probably not really needed to go that far, but it works.

I'd planned to do much the same. They're so pathetically easy to disassemble that it hardly seems sensible not to do a complete teardown and thorough cleaning after every visit to the range. No sense in tempting fate, and - perhaps perversely - I think it's kind of fun to do a complete weapons strip down. It makes me feel like less of a mechanical moron if nothing else...in spite of the fact that these rifles were obviously built to be moron-proof.


Yeah, they're pretty much one of the simplest guns ever to take apart.
 
2012-08-14 01:22:25 PM  
He is not "The Texas A&M Shooter"

Didn't go there, didnt shoot there, no one died from there...

That is just media hype.

Let's call him Sideshow Mel
 
2012-08-14 01:35:26 PM  

ringersol: KidneyStone: "There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem"

[citation needed]

And when you qualify it with "for people who already have problems", try to remember that old bit about correlation and causation.
Because your argument is as firmly grounded as claiming that ice cream, or The Price is Right, can cause problems among "the weak or troubled".


Here you go ya snarky f*ck, the link between media violence and violent people is mentioned several times in this book as well as other books.

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-08-14 01:42:49 PM  

Lesbian_Platypus: dittybopper: KidneyStone: There's a lot of evidence that violent media (not just video games) actually is a problem. Not for the strong minded players but for the weak or troubled.

And don't confuse falling homicide rates with anything other than advances in trauma care. Modify your statistics from "homicide" to "attempted homicde + homicode"

If advances in trauma care accounted for the difference, then can you please explain how the corresponding rates for aggravated assault also dropped by a corresponding percentage over the same amount of time:

1999 aggravated assault rate: 336.1 per 100,000.
2010 aggravated assault rate: 252.3 per 100,000.
(Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports)

That's a ~25% drop, close enough to the 20+% drop in homicides. If improved trauma care were a major factor in reducing homicides, how do you explain the aggravated assault rate dropping roughly the same amount? Improved trauma care doesn't matter there, and in fact all else being the same, if the homicide rate were going down because we are saving more people, the aggravated assault rate should have gone up slightly, as people who would have died ended up living. Your talking point doesn't fly. Try again.


Sure does. Aggravated assault is not the same thing as attempted homicide.

Link
 
2012-08-14 01:46:40 PM  

Aarontology: Absolutely.

Why should someone be able to just walk into a store and buy a murder simulator? The only point of those is to train people to be better killers. They desensitize them to killing, and make them better shots with guns. There should be a background check and waiting list before someone is allowed to purchase one.


not sure you are aware there is no way in hell to simulate firing a gun in a video game without spending metric shiat tons of cash.
 
2012-08-14 01:59:07 PM  
something bad happened somewhere!

quick, let's ban something I don't like so I can enjoy my $5 coffee with less guilt!
 
2012-08-14 01:59:35 PM  
Ah, America, land of no personal responsibility, scapegoating out the ass, and thinking regulation = removal.
 
2012-08-14 02:17:05 PM  
How about instead of being a culture whose mass media worships extreme violence and runs screaming from seeing teh boobies, we try the opposite?
 
2012-08-14 02:26:52 PM  

legion_of_doo: something bad happened somewhere!

quick, let's ban something I don't like so I can enjoy my $5 coffee with less guilt!


Yeah, it's not like this happens every other week or any thing. More deaths so my security blanket gun will keep me and mine safe from a ludicrious boogeyman of my making criminals and predators!!
 
2012-08-14 02:29:49 PM  

KidneyStone:

Sure does. Aggravated assault is not the same thing as attempted homicide.

Link


Oh, so now you can spell. Well done.

Oh, and BTW, your link is to a single article in an issue of Popular Science from 2003, which is about a single medical center in a single city. So... Thanks? That's practically worthless as a means of backing up your assertion.

Is that all you have? Really?
 
2012-08-14 02:30:47 PM  

deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.

Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."


That didn't make the cut. Through its taxing power, the government can force us to bear arms. I'm all for it. It's about time the rich in this country give a little back so that the less fortunate can afford to exorcise exercise their basic rights. We can just add a little money to that EBT card to cover firearm purchases. May as well allow it to be used to purchase a state ID while were at it. Two problems solved at the same time...
 
2012-08-14 02:39:40 PM  
Violence is widely accepted in media and never frowned upon until a mass shooting happens.

Then everybody is up in arms and pointing fingers at who's to blame.

I still don't understand why violence is generally accepted, but a little T&A in any movie or show is extremely taboo. I find a little nudity far more acceptable and natural versus somebody getting their head chopped off.
 
2012-08-14 02:56:09 PM  

Mr.Poops: Violence is widely accepted in media and never frowned upon until a mass shooting happens.

Then everybody is up in arms and pointing fingers at who's to blame.

I still don't understand why violence is generally accepted, but a little T&A in any movie or show is extremely taboo. I find a little nudity far more acceptable and natural versus somebody getting their head chopped off.


exactly. I'd much rather shoot my load then a round at someone.
 
2012-08-14 03:06:38 PM  

Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?


How about identifying and treating/isolating unstable people?
 
2012-08-14 03:08:02 PM  
dittybopper       
 

tom baker's scarf: 7. taking a deuce.

Well, that should ring alarm bells. Normal practice is to leave them.


depends on what you have planned for that evening.
 
2012-08-14 03:14:02 PM  
Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.
 
2012-08-14 03:29:25 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: HotIgneous Intruder: Fish in a Barrel: Vodka Zombie: How about we just stop letting mentally unstable people buy guns?

If only there were a practical way of accomplishing this. :-(

How about no more walking into a gun store or walmart with 300 bucks?
How about a permit with a screening application process that includes interviews with family, neighbors, and employers? How about cross-connecting psychiatric patients under medication with the federal instant background check system? The feds could make that so in a heartbeat.


How about trusting government psychologists? How about sharing the news (with neighbors & employers!). How about paying for all that!?! And feds react "in a heartbeat" only when there is a threat to their jobs.
 
2012-08-14 03:35:47 PM  

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.

Yeah, people from all around the state should have rushed in to take this guy down.

You're an idiot.


You know, I guess I did rush into that door and out the window way too quickly.

Disarming the "More Guns, Less Crime" crusade was meant to be the blanket message.
 
2012-08-14 04:17:54 PM  

NewWorldDan: I play RTS games. My legion of minions will overrun your base after my snipers disrupt your resource gathering. I will be nowhere near the carnage.


suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

/the emperor protects
 
2012-08-14 04:42:51 PM  
The Muthaship
How can hours and hours of playing a game where killing humans is the goal not have an effect on impressionable minds?


if kids minds are so easily influenced then explain to me why, despite 1000s of hours in classrooms, they watch Fox News as adults.
 
2012-08-14 04:58:19 PM  
Video games cause mass murders. Korea has mass murders all the time
 
2012-08-14 05:01:27 PM  

trickymoo: Im just so unbelieveably GLAD that all those upstanding, armed Texans were able to prevent this nutbag from going wild with his automatic assault rifle which he clearly needed for a plethora of reasons, none of which include shooting at another human being.

Assault weapons discussion needs to start up... again.


Very well.

No.

The discussion is now concluded.
 
2012-08-14 05:05:33 PM  

trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.


Please explain why

upload.wikimedia.org

this firearm is "less lethal" than

cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com

this "assault weapon".
 
2012-08-14 05:30:52 PM  

Mr. Titanium: Howlin


Oh crap! I consume 6L of that a day! Am I gonna die? Or go on a rampage?

Ummmm... no.

This goes back to the days of Dungeons & Dragons when you were called a Satanist for playing (late 1980s to now.) I and most of the friends I played D&D with are Christians, one was a Hare Krishna for a while.

Again, there's something in the background...
 
2012-08-14 05:33:32 PM  
son of a biatch...
in response to the prior post....


HowlinPreacherMan: Texas A&M shooter preferred violent video games over working; is this finally the time for reasonable limits on video game violence and background checks on purchasers?

I prefer violent video games (hell, any video game really) to work and I haven't shot anyone, so I'd say no to both. Just because a few go off the deep end doesn't mean we all will.

Look into their background far enough and there will be another reason for their behavior, not just violent games.


I bet he drank dihydrogen monoxide. You see a lot of that in violent criminals.
 
2012-08-14 05:36:14 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: Mrkos: Only if you require background checks on purchasers of alcohol.

Or smokers.
Smoking kills the equivalent of 1,000 full-loaded jumbo jets crashing every year.
Tell me 300,000 deaths per year isn't an epidemic of carnage.


It's because that smoking statistic is crap.
 
2012-08-14 05:40:49 PM  

Big_Fat_Liar: deadcrickets: kitsuneymg: deadcrickets: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I own no guns. I have kids. No money and I don't want to have to deal with keeping shiat locked up all the time. I worry enough as is.

I'd point out that if you think that sentence says only a well regulated militia can have guns, you are a moron. "A moist chocolate cake, being tasty and delicious, the right of people to own forks, shall not be infringed." That doesn't mean you can only use a fork if you're going to eat cake.

Yes, our founding fathers had terrible grammar and should have been introduced to the term "comma splice". That doesn't make the first two clauses anything more than justification for the last two. Had they meant only militias could have guns, they'd have no doubt said that directly; most likely by adding "for that purpose" to the end of the "sentence."

And people ask me why grammar is important.

Let's ask Madison, again, "A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, being the best security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed; but no person religiously scrupulous shall be compelled to bear arms."

That didn't make the cut. Through its taxing power, the government can force us to bear arms. I'm all for it. It's about time the rich in this country give a little back so that the less fortunate can afford to exorcise exercise their basic rights. We can just add a little money to that EBT card to cover firearm purchases. May as well allow it to be used to purchase a state ID while were at it. Two problems solved at the same time...


If you are a Constitutional Originalist then you believe in the intent of the Founding Fathers. They made it very clear between the words of Madison (as he wrote the Second Amendment) and what Congress then passed in 1792 (which I also posted here). Intent and meaning are the same.
 
2012-08-14 05:42:36 PM  
When we outlaw guns for the mentally ill, only mentally ill outlaws will have guns.

/wait...
 
2012-08-14 06:45:25 PM  

Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".


Because without the flash suppressor, a potential victim can identify the direction of fire and take cover more effectively?
 
2012-08-14 06:48:04 PM  

ProfessorOhki: Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".

Because without the flash suppressor, a potential victim can identify the direction of fire and take cover more effectively?


Damnit wikipedia, you lied to me. My new answer is "because it has quad rails and that means you can put four times the bayonets on it."
 
2012-08-14 08:51:11 PM  

tom baker's scarf: The Muthaship
How can hours and hours of playing a game where killing humans is the goal not have an effect on impressionable minds?

if kids minds are so easily influenced then explain to me why, despite 1000s of hours in classrooms, they watch Fox News as adults.


Hey Edgy McEdgerson, what took you so long?
 
2012-08-14 10:08:22 PM  

Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".


Is it? You put the quotes around it. I fail to observe how it is an assault weapon the first place. I'm guessing that its cause it has tac add-on capabilities....?

In either event, this would fall under that catagory of "having a deep discussion" regarding these "tools."
.
 
2012-08-14 11:46:32 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: axeeugene: I find it laughable that a 70 year old commie *bolt action* rifle could incite anything other than mild disinterest in even the most reactionary fear-mongers.

Can you imagine a rampage with one of those? You get off one shot, then you either spend the next five minutes trying to remove the case that laquered itself to the chamber, or you start using it as a pike.


Reminds me of the time my husband went to rifle league with his mosin... he had some clips set up to make the loading go "faster", and decided to shout insults in a Russian accent at the "targets" while he was getting them loaded in.

/it was hilarious
 
2012-08-15 12:21:00 AM  

Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".


Well, obviously because it's black and scary looking...

/waitasecond...
 
2012-08-15 12:31:05 AM  

trickymoo: Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".

Is it? You put the quotes around it. I fail to observe how it is an assault weapon the first place. I'm guessing that its cause it has tac add-on capabilities....?

In either event, this would fall under that catagory of "having a deep discussion" regarding these "tools."
.


.....

So, you are honestly complaining about "assault weapons", when you have no idea what they are?

I mean, to the point where you can't even explain what makes something an "assault weapon" or potentially recognize a picture of one?

Seriously?!

/words fail to describe my reaction right now.
 
2012-08-15 08:28:30 AM  
/words fail to describe my reaction right now.

Because I couldn't ID something? Or because I keep insisting that this is something that needs to be answered on a case to case basis, you tool.
 
2012-08-15 08:41:53 AM  

trickymoo: Dimensio: trickymoo: Carousel BeastIt's It's 100% irrational appeal to emotion with absolutely zero logical thought. The facts on actual gun ownership, the use (including non-use) of firearms in the prevention of crimes, etc are all completely ignored because ZOMG GUNS!!!

Okay, pick your irrationality:

Assault weapons are "tools" INCREDIBLY more lethal than other firearms and therefore require a deeper discussion.
-or-
ZOMG Video games!

But to be fair, please cite your 'facts on actual gun ownership in the prevention of crimes' or "Defensive Gun Uses" please.

Please explain why

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x104]

this firearm is "less lethal" than

[cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com image 590x300]

this "assault weapon".

Is it? You put the quotes around it. I fail to observe how it is an assault weapon the first place. I'm guessing that its cause it has tac add-on capabilities....?

In either event, this would fall under that catagory of "having a deep discussion" regarding these "tools."
.


Under the now-expired federal "assault weapons ban" the latter firearm was an "assault weapon". It remains such under several state bans, including California's and Massachusetts. Technically, both firearms function nearly identically (firing the same ammunition at the same force) as an AR-15.
 
2012-08-15 09:49:04 AM  

trickymoo: /words fail to describe my reaction right now.

Because I couldn't ID something? Or because I keep insisting that this is something that needs to be answered on a case to case basis, you tool.


You were tricked: Those were the same model of gun, a Ruger Mini-14. One is in the standard factory stock (the top one), and the bottom is in an after-market stock that doesn't have any effect on how the rifle itself functions: It's the same exact gun.

The point he was making was that almost all of those calling for a ban on assault weapons don't understand that there is zero functional difference between traditional semiautomatic sporting arms and so-called "assault weapons". You have to ban semiautomatics, and for that, you will incur the wrath of sportsman and hunters, not just guys who like the look of a military rifle.
 
2012-08-15 03:04:50 PM  

dittybopper: trickymoo: /words fail to describe my reaction right now.

Because I couldn't ID something? Or because I keep insisting that this is something that needs to be answered on a case to case basis, you tool.

You were tricked: Those were the same model of gun, a Ruger Mini-14. One is in the standard factory stock (the top one), and the bottom is in an after-market stock that doesn't have any effect on how the rifle itself functions: It's the same exact gun.


Second one's got a pistol grip too. I know that finds its way into "assault" legislation a lot.
 
2012-08-15 10:35:57 PM  
list of things i prefer over working. everything, lets ban everything.
 
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