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2012-08-14 08:11:34 AM
Obamacare doesn't pay for abortions
Romneycare paid for abortions.

Have fun with that Republitards.
 
2012-08-14 08:13:26 AM
Good on the writer for acknowledging in a Catholic periodical that there's a far-right element that cares only about abortion and sex, ignoring what the Catholic Church has historically done well at, which is emphasizing care for the poor and the sick. People like Santorum and Ryan could give two shiats about helping the poor - Catholicism and government are all about keeping the queers and women in their place.
 
2012-08-14 08:14:53 AM

Muta: Obamacare doesn't pay for abortions
Romneycare paid for abortions.

Have fun with that Republitards.


That's just what liberals want you to think. I don't see this being reported anywhere outside the usual lame stream LSM media.
 
2012-08-14 08:16:20 AM
Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.
 
2012-08-14 08:19:31 AM

Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.


This is what Republicans....actually believe. =(
 
2012-08-14 08:21:06 AM

Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.


as a group, catholics tend to be less politically extreme than their protestant cousins. they also tend to be a little more charitable towards the poor. in fact, a group of catholic bishops got together not that long ago to denounce paul ryan's budget as being extremely anti-poor (and therefore anti-catholic).
 
2012-08-14 08:21:19 AM

NateGrey: Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.

This is what Republicans....actually believe. =(


Actually, this is what many Christians believe.
 
2012-08-14 08:21:54 AM

NateGrey:

This is what Republicans....actually believe. =(


that and: "The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
 
2012-08-14 08:22:12 AM
This guy condones the church covering up paedophile priests because it is church law. I got that far because that is all I need to know about this numbnuts.
 
2012-08-14 08:24:05 AM
The writer seems to think the actual truth will somehow affect what people perceive as "the truth". I doubt it will make any difference.

If most pro-life folks really cared about reducing abortions, there are a ton of liberal programs out there that are attempting to do so and could use their support, e.g. increasing the availability of contraception; supporting early sex education programs for children; increasing family planning services for poor and uninsured women; etc.
 
2012-08-14 08:27:19 AM
Don't think so subby. Obama personally performs every abortion in this country by administering a presidential falcon punch in a fashion that clearly portrays the glee he takes in defying the one true God.
 
2012-08-14 08:28:34 AM
What is this I don't even
 
2012-08-14 08:28:46 AM

FlashHarry: Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

as a group, catholics tend to be less politically extreme than their protestant cousins. they also tend to be a little more charitable towards the poor. in fact, a group of catholic bishops got together not that long ago to denounce paul ryan's budget as being extremely anti-poor (and therefore anti-catholic).


And Paul Ryan and his supporters schooled those Catholic Bishops on their own doctrine of Subsidiarity. I don't agree with the Ryan budget at all, but to call it un-Catholic is way over the top. It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.
 
2012-08-14 08:31:27 AM

GentDirkly: And Paul Ryan and his supporters schooled those Catholic Bishops on their own doctrine of Subsidiarity. I don't agree with the Ryan budget at all, but to call it un-Catholic is way over the top. It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.


(citation needed)
 
2012-08-14 08:34:42 AM

Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.


I'm pretty sure Jesus said that.
 
2012-08-14 08:35:01 AM

GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.


ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ
 
2012-08-14 08:35:22 AM
Obama's Affordable Care Act does not pay for abortions. In Massachusetts, Romney's health care law does. Obama favors, and included in the Affordable Care Act, $250 million of support for vulnerable pregnant women and alternatives to abortion. This support will make abortions much less likely, since most abortions are economic. Romney, on the other hand, has endorsed Wisconsin Republican Paul Ryan's budget, which will cut hundreds of millions of dollars out of the federal plans that support poor women. The undoubted effect: The number of abortions in the United States will increase. On these facts, Obama is much more pro-life than Romney.

Ouch, well at least they don't mention Steri...

But let's not stop there. Obama does not financially profit from the abortion industry. Romney does.

Spoke too soon.

/Good article is good.
 
2012-08-14 08:35:28 AM

NateGrey: Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.

This is what Republicans....actually believe. =(


Not all of the poor are sponges in society.

The poor people in *my* family? Oh, fark yes they are. These people make *careers* out of grifting the welfare system.

I've got aunts and uncles, and cousins with their own kids, who haven't worked in decades. They maintain phony addresses from state to state where they've applied for and collect different kinds of welfare - food stamps, disability, etc. - and have other relatives mail the proceeds around. I haven't been to a family gathering in a decade or more because their trading of tips & tricks to get more from federal, state, and local governments makes my blood boil.

I work my ass off to barely scrape above poverty, and these leeches are buying new cars and throwing out uncooked food that *expires*.

The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.
 
2012-08-14 08:36:18 AM

Alphax: GentDirkly: And Paul Ryan and his supporters schooled those Catholic Bishops on their own doctrine of Subsidiarity. I don't agree with the Ryan budget at all, but to call it un-Catholic is way over the top. It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

(citation needed)


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=paul+ryan+subsidiarity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subsidiarity_(Catholicism)
 
2012-08-14 08:36:32 AM

FlashHarry: Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

as a group, catholics tend to be less politically extreme than their protestant cousins. they also tend to be a little more charitable towards the poor. in fact, a group of catholic bishops got together not that long ago to denounce paul ryan's budget as being extremely anti-poor (and therefore anti-catholic).


Yeah, but the pope said that American catholics are spending too much time on that poor people/social justice hokum. The farking pope said this.
 
2012-08-14 08:38:34 AM
And it has long been known that millions of Bain Capital's original outside funding, solicited by Romney himself, came from wealthy El Salvadorian clans, some of whom, while they were funding Bain, were "linked to right wing death squads."

You might even say, he was palling around with terrorists.
 
2012-08-14 08:38:46 AM

Jackson Herring: GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ


But that's what this disagreement is fundamentally about: are the states and localities competant to provide social services? You apparently say no. But if they are, the Federal government should lower its level of involvement.
 
2012-08-14 08:40:40 AM

HotWingConspiracy: FlashHarry: Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

as a group, catholics tend to be less politically extreme than their protestant cousins. they also tend to be a little more charitable towards the poor. in fact, a group of catholic bishops got together not that long ago to denounce paul ryan's budget as being extremely anti-poor (and therefore anti-catholic).

Yeah, but the pope said that American catholics are spending too much time on that poor people/social justice hokum. The farking pope said this.


Given their stance on a lot of other things, American Catholics tend not to listen too much to the pope though.
 
2012-08-14 08:41:10 AM

Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.


"a number"? what number
 
2012-08-14 08:41:39 AM

GentDirkly: Jackson Herring: GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ

But that's what this disagreement is fundamentally about: are the states and localities competant to provide social services? You apparently say no. But if they are, the Federal government should lower its level of involvement.


Except they are broke and they can't print money
 
2012-08-14 08:46:08 AM

Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.


Oh that's in the Gospels man.
 
2012-08-14 08:53:42 AM

Job Creator: Wow, an article about Catholicism that mentions social justice and helping poor women. Can't imagine he'll be heard from again.

Did anyone catch this comment?
"Not every question or discussion needs to revolve around the poor. The poor are only one segment of society, and hardly the central or most important segment. Indeed, from a utilitarian point of view, the poor contribute nothing of consequence to society, and simply are sponges, soaking up society's resources."

Wow.


The new Golden Rule: Do unto the job creators as you would you would have done unto you.
 
2012-08-14 08:54:01 AM

stevetherobot: And it has long been known that millions of Bain Capital's original outside funding, solicited by Romney himself, came from wealthy El Salvadorian clans, some of whom, while they were funding Bain, were "linked to right wing death squads."

You might even say, he was palling around with terrorists.


Back in the '80s we needed right-wing death squads to keep Latin America from going commie. Those were OUR terrorists. "We did back the guys who went after the bad guys. And defined 'bad guys' pretty broadly." - Lawrence Korb, Assistant Secretary of Defense, Reagan administration first term
 
2012-08-14 08:57:35 AM

GentDirkly: Jackson Herring: GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ

But that's what this disagreement is fundamentally about: are the states and localities competant to provide social services? You apparently say no. But if they are, the Federal government should lower its level of involvement.


Problem here is that Republicans are also trying to gut state and local social services. A lot of the reason we have certain things federalized is because states are/were unwilling to provide a minimum standard of services to the needy.
 
2012-08-14 09:02:30 AM

Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number


Does it matter? Sure, many people do escape welfare, and I applaud them doing so, but the system thrives on those who don't lift a finger to help themselves.

Being on welfare is now considered a valid lifestyle choice. There was a time when being on the dole was shameful and people would never admit to it; they wanted to have jobs and be self-reliant. Now we have a significant population of adults who expect food and health care and housing and spending money by virtue of merely existing, many of whom are capable of working and sustaining themselves, but simply don't want to.

I have grown coworkers who "can't afford" health insurance and advocate a single-payer system ... but they can afford expensive smartphones with $100/month text and data plans, designer clothes, weekly (some nightly) bar tabs, concert tickets, weekend road trips, and so on.
 
2012-08-14 09:04:25 AM
Romney is Pro-Romney.
 
2012-08-14 09:04:27 AM

GentDirkly: Jackson Herring: GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ

But that's what this disagreement is fundamentally about: are the states and localities competant to provide social services? You apparently say no. But if they are, the Federal government should lower its level of involvement.


And how good of a job did states and localities do of providing social services before the federal government started doing so (since many federal welfare/social programs didn't always exist)?

It's not as though the disagreement is about something that's unknown (the degree to which states and municipalities will, with their limited resources, be able to do the job that the federal government is doing) and can only be discovered through radical experiments like the Ryan budget.

I get that you're playing devil's advocate and all, but some propositions just aren't defensible (at least not without maintaining some level of willful ignorance).
 
2012-08-14 09:05:22 AM

Muta: Obamacare doesn't pay for abortions
Romneycare paid for abortions.

Have fun with that Republitards.


abortions only on Liberal babies. lol
 
2012-08-14 09:06:11 AM

Lernaeus: Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number

Does it matter? Sure, many people do escape welfare, and I applaud them doing so, but the system thrives on those who don't lift a finger to help themselves.

Being on welfare is now considered a valid lifestyle choice. There was a time when being on the dole was shameful and people would never admit to it; they wanted to have jobs and be self-reliant. Now we have a significant population of adults who expect food and health care and housing and spending money by virtue of merely existing, many of whom are capable of working and sustaining themselves, but simply don't want to.

I have grown coworkers who "can't afford" health insurance and advocate a single-payer system ... but they can afford expensive smartphones with $100/month text and data plans, designer clothes, weekly (some nightly) bar tabs, concert tickets, weekend road trips, and so on.


Lucky that Obamacare requires them to purchase health insurance huh?
 
2012-08-14 09:08:29 AM
And it has long been known that millions of Bain Capital's original outside funding, solicited by Romney himself, came from wealthy El Salvadorian clans, some of whom, while they were funding Bain, were "linked to right wing death squads."

Hey now, "pro-life" has nothing to do with what happens to people after they're born.
 
2012-08-14 09:12:32 AM
So the article is acknowledging Romney and Obama are both slightly-right-of-center politicians?

This is Jack's complete lack of surprise.
 
2012-08-14 09:12:54 AM

Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.


Anecdotes are like you, everybody's got one and they all stink. Wait, I screwed that up.
 
2012-08-14 09:12:58 AM

GentDirkly: Jackson Herring: GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.

ahhhh hahahahaha jesus christ

But that's what this disagreement is fundamentally about: are the states and localities competant to provide social services? You apparently say no. But if they are, the Federal government should lower its level of involvement.


I say no. otherwise poor folks will move to the states who have good programs and flee those who dont. we dont need a race to the bottom
 
2012-08-14 09:20:29 AM

Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number


Zero is a number!
 
2012-08-14 09:20:31 AM

RsquaredW: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

Anecdotes are like you, everybody's got one and they all stink. Wait, I screwed that up.


They are just doing their part to "starve the beast" at least they are not leaving 10's of thousands dead bodies behind to do it. I agree gaming the system is bad, but most repubs can't seem to grasp corporations, defense contractors and a lot of other powerful groups game the system with much greater harm. Why is it that repubs can only hate the ones that collect welfare. Also I believe you are lying when you implied welfare bought them a new car.
 
2012-08-14 09:20:40 AM
FTA- "Stericycle, a major disposer of the dead bodies of aborted children in the United States."

Forget the politics. What I want to know is how does someone decide to start a business like that?

I understand that, just like repo men, somebody has to do it, but jeez.
 
2012-08-14 09:20:45 AM
The Catholic clergy tends to be a little sensitive about South American death squads, seeing as how their bullets keep winding up in priests and nuns.
 
2012-08-14 09:21:04 AM

Job Creator: Lernaeus: Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number

Does it matter? Sure, many people do escape welfare, and I applaud them doing so, but the system thrives on those who don't lift a finger to help themselves.

Being on welfare is now considered a valid lifestyle choice. There was a time when being on the dole was shameful and people would never admit to it; they wanted to have jobs and be self-reliant. Now we have a significant population of adults who expect food and health care and housing and spending money by virtue of merely existing, many of whom are capable of working and sustaining themselves, but simply don't want to.

I have grown coworkers who "can't afford" health insurance and advocate a single-payer system ... but they can afford expensive smartphones with $100/month text and data plans, designer clothes, weekly (some nightly) bar tabs, concert tickets, weekend road trips, and so on.

Lucky that Obamacare requires them to purchase health insurance huh?


No, making people be responsible for themselves is socialism!
 
2012-08-14 09:23:39 AM

Muta: Obamacare doesn't pay for abortions


You lie! Under Obamacare, you get free abortions and for every 10 abortions you get a free small soda. And twice a month, Obama comes to the clinic and performs the abortions personally. then he eats the fetus in some weird Kenyan ritual.
 
2012-08-14 09:25:49 AM

GentDirkly: It's not as if the budget says that the states and municipalities can't or won't step up where the Federal government steps down.


you mean the same states and municipalities whose budgets have been slashed to the bone? those states and municipalities?

you've got to love a budget that says, "well, we won't help them, but i guess somebody might" while cutting people like romney's effective tax rate to LESS THAN ONE PERCENT.

that's not just un-catholic or un-christian; it's farking evil.
 
2012-08-14 09:26:51 AM

ghare: Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number

Zero is a number!


I don't know if it's 0, but it is an small number relative to people who need help. my cousin is one of those leeches, and he's kind of the black sheep in the family.
 
2012-08-14 09:26:59 AM

Basily Gourt: FTA- "Stericycle, a major disposer of the dead bodies of aborted children in the United States."

Forget the politics. What I want to know is how does someone decide to start a business like that?

I understand that, just like repo men, somebody has to do it, but jeez.


I figure Stericycle disposes of a lot of medical waste, which includes residue from abortions.
 
2012-08-14 09:28:17 AM
Ahem: Paul Ryan sponsored a Federal bill granting personhood to fertilized eggs.

That's actually more radical than just banning abortion. That would ban birth control, too.

Just thought I'd let that drop in here.
 
2012-08-14 09:34:54 AM

Skleenar: Ahem: Paul Ryan sponsored a Federal bill granting personhood to fertilized eggs.

That's actually more radical than just banning abortion. That would ban birth control, too.

Just thought I'd let that drop in here.


Permanent transvaginal ultrasound monitors. It's the only way to be sure.

// actually, I don't think that's even enough to detect one
 
2012-08-14 09:36:25 AM

ManateeGag: ghare: Jackson Herring: Lernaeus: The next time you find yourself feeling sorry for the "poor", just realize that a number of them are indeed worthless leeches sucking the system dry, and teaching their friends and family how to get more.

"a number"? what number

Zero is a number!

I don't know if it's 0, but it is an small number relative to people who need help. my cousin is one of those leeches, and he's kind of the black sheep in the family.


Liberal: Someone who thinks the good they do is worth getting cheated sometimes.
Conservative: Someone who thinks getting cheated negates the good they do.

Obviously I'm liberal, because I constantly handwave away the problem of cheaters. However I do understand that they are out there, and I wonder how big the problem is. Statistics claim it's very small, but y'know everyone seems to know someone... *shrug*
 
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