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(Talking Points Memo)   Romney, who signed an assault weapons ban in MA, believes that all these recent shootings should prompt "thoughtful consideration" instead of weapon bans   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 30
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2012-08-14 07:39:37 AM
Rmoney: "I got nuthin'."
 
2012-08-14 07:41:55 AM
People have thought about it, and most decided they don't like frequent gun massacres.
 
2012-08-14 07:42:33 AM
Oh Romney, what happened man. You used to be so cool when you were in MA...

/on the other hand, 4 of 6 headlines got greened, this one being an insta-green
//loved the Myth of Ryan headline out of all of them
///Sorry for all the TPM headlines today.
 
2012-08-14 07:42:37 AM

janzee: Rmoney: "I got nuthin'."


Done in one.

"I guess I'm not referring to any particular legislation. I'm just saying this is something that needs to make thoughtful consideration."

Like trying to nail jello shots to the wall.
 
2012-08-14 07:48:11 AM

quatchi: janzee: Rmoney: "I got nuthin'."

Done in one.

"I guess I'm not referring to any particular legislation. I'm just saying this is something that needs to make thoughtful consideration."

Like trying to nail jello shots to the wall.


I've done that before, Jack sticks to the wall better though
 
2012-08-14 07:53:22 AM
We should just make it illegal to kill people. That ought to stop it.
 
2012-08-14 07:53:24 AM
That's not necessarily ironic: It's the same thing Barack Obama did, essentially: Change his tune on the subject because he is playing to a national audience, not a local one.

For example, straight from the Urban Policy page of Change.gov:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

That's part of the official platform of the Obama/Biden campaign from 2008. Don't argue that it isn't, there it is in black and white, copy and pasted directly from their website. It's a laundry list of things gun owners hate, not because Obama wants it: They've hated those things since before Obama was anything but a local Chicago politician and law professor.

The Obama administration didn't move on any of those things. Why? Because those positions are political losers. Pushing for more gun control only helps with liberal urban voters, and he's already got them, so he has zero to gain. If he pushes those positions, though, he loses votes in middle America. He loses rural and suburban Democrats and swing voters. He's not that stupid.

Romney, on the other hand, has an uphill climb with gun voters. I'm guessing that's partly why he picked Ryan, who has an "A" rating with the NRA. And for the same reasons that Barack Obama has shied away from gun control, Romney is even more likely to do so. He definitely won't gain any voters at the national level in pushing for it, and he would lose more voters than Obama would, many, many more.

In reading the tea leaves on this election, though, at least as it relates to guns, the NRA seems to be taking the approach that it's not about gun control legislation. I believe they think they have enough votes in Congress to prevent any major gun control from getting as far as the President's desk. What they are concerned about is not so much a new assault weapons ban, as who is going to pick the next few Supreme Court justices. They look at the 2008 Heller decision which says the Second Amendment protects an individual right, and the 2010 McDonald decision which incorporates that right against the states, and the see that both were decided by a scant 5 to 4 majority. All it would take is one of those 5 retiring and being replaced with someone ideologically like Sonia Sotomayor or Elena Kagan, and those decisions could be effectively neutered by narrowing down the circumstances and types of arms protected by that right.
 
2012-08-14 07:54:24 AM
The last thing libs should be talking about are gun bans. This is no time to be giving their base another reason to rally around.

/yes, I'm bad for thinking of this tragedy in strictly political terms and I feel bad.
 
2012-08-14 07:55:30 AM

quatchi: janzee: Rmoney: "I got nuthin'."

Done in one.

"I guess I'm not referring to any particular legislation. I'm just saying this is something that needs to make thoughtful consideration."

Like trying to nail jello shots to the wall.


No shiat... It was hilarious watching him answer questions on Ryan's Budget yesterday in Miami.

"I'm sure there are differences... Can't tell you any right now, of course...But, hey! Obama Bad! Obama Bad!"
 
2012-08-14 07:57:18 AM

dittybopper: That's not necessarily ironic: It's the same thing Barack Obama did, essentially: Change his tune on the subject because he is playing to a national audience, not a local one.

For example, straight from the Urban Policy page of Change.gov:

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

That's part of the official platform of the Obama/Biden campaign from 2008. Don't argue that it isn't, there it is in black and white, copy and pasted directly from their website. It's a laundry list of things gun owners hate, not because Obama wants it: They've hated those things since before Obama was anything but a local Chicago politician and law professor.

The Obama administration didn't move on any of those things. Why? Because those positions are political losers. Pushing for more gun control only helps with liberal urban voters, and he's already got them, so he has zero to gain. If he pushes those positions, though, he loses votes in middle America. He loses rural and suburban Democrats and swing voters. He's not that stupid.

Romney, on the other hand, has an uphill climb with gun voters. I'm guessing that's partly why he picked Ryan, who has an "A" rating with the NRA. And for the same reasons that Barack Obama has shied away from gun control, Romney is even more likely to do so. He definitely won't gain any voters at the national level in pushing for it, and he would lose more voters than Obama would, many, ...


absolutely nailed it. good work.
 
2012-08-14 08:03:15 AM
This comes down to recognizing the society we have versus the society we to believe that we have. Most debates are really about this. We quite literally look at the same data and draw different conclusions. Sure, there's gun violence; but what's the rational threshold what's considered "too much"? To a victim, perhaps any is too much. To a responsible gun owner, perhaps there's no limit because being inconvenienced is worse to them. It's really this simple. The problem is that the solution isn't on this scale of tolerance. There isn't a magic line that can be drawn. We have to be more creative. We have to determine the real problem.

This shouldn't be about gun control. This should be about mental health control. We have a lot of people. Many of them aren't well. We're doing little to nothing automatically to effectively recognize or deal with them.
 
2012-08-14 08:04:36 AM

theknuckler_33: The last thing libs should be talking about are gun bans. This is no time to be giving their base another reason to rally around.

/yes, I'm bad for thinking of this tragedy in strictly political terms and I feel bad.


Consider this: That's how the politicians on both sides think of it, in strictly political terms. It's a calculation to them: "What do I have to gain, and what do I have to lose?".

Both sides are bad, so vote for Burt Gummer.

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-14 08:10:52 AM
thinkprogress.org

I think we should use them to kill mexicans along our border.
 
2012-08-14 08:13:52 AM

dittybopper: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.


[okaywiththis]

somedude210: Like trying to nail jello shots to the wall.

I've done that before, Jack sticks to the wall better though


*makes note to this effect*

And people say I don't learn anything here on Fark. Silly peoples.

keylock71: No shiat... It was hilarious watching him answer questions on Ryan's Budget yesterday in Miami.

"I'm sure there are differences... Can't tell you any right now, of course...But, hey! Obama Bad! Obama Bad!"


He seems to really think that his best strategy here is to say as little as possible while spending as much as possible on attack ads.

Conversely when he does talk he tends to cover every possible position capable of being held on it in that quantum superposition way he has.

I'm beginning to suspect that if a chameleon ever tried crawling onto Mitt's arm it would just explode due to the mass of conflicting data.

/Don't have any hard data on that.
//More of a hypothesis at this time rather than a formal theory, you understand.
///No actual lizards were harmed while making this post
 
2012-08-14 08:15:10 AM
Heh... Romney ought to just nick the Seinfeld theme and use it for his campaign as it is, essentially, a campaign about nothing.
 
2012-08-14 08:21:54 AM

quatchi: dittybopper: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

[okaywiththis]


You may be, but a *LOT* of people aren't. The one way Obama could have guaranteed that he's a one term president would have been to push for that stuff.
 
2012-08-14 08:26:07 AM

Dracolich: This shouldn't be about gun control. This should be about mental health control. We have a lot of people. Many of them aren't well. We're doing little to nothing automatically to effectively recognize or deal with them.


Gun owners vote primarily for the anti-health party.
 
2012-08-14 08:37:16 AM
Did they ever i.d. the shooter from yesterday? Did he rent or own?
 
2012-08-14 08:39:52 AM

Hobodeluxe: Did they ever i.d. the shooter from yesterday? Did he rent or own?


n/m I found it. family is trying to blame it on playing video games.
 
2012-08-14 08:45:00 AM
Poor people's problems.
 
2012-08-14 08:53:06 AM

Hobodeluxe: Did they ever i.d. the shooter from yesterday? Did he rent or own?


Can you rent guns?
 
2012-08-14 08:54:27 AM

LockeOak: Hobodeluxe: Did they ever i.d. the shooter from yesterday? Did he rent or own?

Can you rent guns?


Yes
 
2012-08-14 09:06:12 AM

keylock71: Heh... Romney ought to just nick the Seinfeld theme and use it for his campaign as it is, essentially, a campaign about nothing.


Hilarious. Every time Rmoney finishes talking, I follow it up in my head with the Seinfeld segue/bump music. Great minds....
 
2012-08-14 09:31:09 AM

HotWingConspiracy: People have thought about it, and most decided they don't like frequent gun massacres.


We should outlaw gun massacres. But it would be totally okay if he went in with a flamethrower.
 
2012-08-14 09:42:12 AM
Heard him briefly on NPR this morning, he was saying we should be doing something to control the reason there is gun violence, but not gun control... and I was trying to finish his sentence with "healthcare for mental illness" but he didn't want to say that...
 
2012-08-14 11:32:41 AM
talkingpointsmemo.com

"Killing bad, but guns good. My finger points. END OF PRESS CONFERENCE."
 
2012-08-14 12:07:26 PM

LarryDan43: [thinkprogress.org image 340x290]

I think we should use them to kill mexicans along our border.


Feh. We should use land-mines for that.
 
2012-08-14 12:10:38 PM

dittybopper: quatchi: dittybopper: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

[okaywiththis]

You may be, but a *LOT* of people aren't. The one way Obama could have guaranteed that he's a one term president would have been to push for that stuff.


How do you make guns "childproof"? That shiat doesn't even work with medicine bottles.
 
2012-08-14 12:28:47 PM

give me doughnuts: How do you make guns "childproof"? That shiat doesn't even work with medicine bottles.


It's a code-word for so-called "smart guns". Back when they were pushing "smart gun" technology, they noticed it wasn't getting any traction for obvious reasons, so they changed the name, because hey, it's for the children. Who could be against that?

/Me.
 
2012-08-14 02:05:28 PM

give me doughnuts: How do you make guns "childproof"?


You do it by keeping away guns from those that don't know better (safes, ect) and by starting to educate those in your house as soon as they can understand.
 
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