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(Huffington Post)   Old and busted: stripping Penn State of football wins. The new hotness: stripping Penn State of its academic accreditation   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
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15722 clicks; posted to Main » on 14 Aug 2012 at 7:18 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-08-14 07:38:12 AM  
6 votes:
Revoking Penn State's entire academic accreditation ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did the Computer Science Department train Sandusky to create Excel spreadsheets for tracking vulnerable children? Did the English Department teach him to write loving sonnets and whisper them sweetly to young boys as he twirled his fingers in their hair? Did the psychology department tutor him in manipulation techniques? No, no, and no. Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?

As outlined in the Freech report, the low level employees of the athletic department were responsible for recruiting young boys by way of various football camps. The underlings, like McQueary, got the scraps while the choice pickings were sent up the line to Sandusky. Sandusky, along with those of similar rank, then tested the boys with various forms of sexual abuse. The cream of the crop -- the 1-2% out of the hundreds of applicants -- were then sent up to Paterno who basically wrote the book on sodomy. When Paterno was done with the kid, he'd have sex with him one last time while slitting his throat. The janitors of the athletic department would then discard the bodies in the incinerators. As Freech pointed out, this system went on for decades. It ran so smoothly that no one detected a thing. It wasn't until McQueary sent a boy with herpes up the chain that Sandusky got angry and threatened to fire him. McQueary, whose wife was battling ovarian cancer at the time, couldn't afford to lose his medical benefits, so he blew the proverbial whistle.

Yet even with all of those facts, the NCAA just slapped their wrists and sent them to the corner for a little while. If I was a Penn State student, I would dig up Paterno myself and defile his corpse with an ax handle. As to why Sandusky is still alive testifies to the far reach of college football. I'm sure he's promising scholarships to every inmate with a hard on or a shank. He will get his in hell.

The academic departments at Penn State have their own controversies - experimenting on disabled children, sex for grades, undergrad knife fights - all of which need to be addressed, but not lumped into the Penn State Athletics Boy farking Factory.
2012-08-14 07:39:32 AM  
5 votes:

blogs-images.forbes.com
All right Alex, I'll take Rhythmic Slapping Sounds for $1000

2012-08-14 08:16:23 AM  
4 votes:

Kyro: thatboyoverthere: Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.

How about the engineering student that went to Penn State, was completely disinterested in football and is now job searching with a toxic degree? How is this at all that student's fault?


I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas. Those poor kids were duped into attending PSU by predatory admissions officers.
2012-08-14 07:51:20 AM  
4 votes:
media.comicbookmovie.com
2012-08-14 07:45:46 AM  
4 votes:
We are... State Pen.!
2012-08-14 07:58:13 AM  
3 votes:
HaywoodJablonski:

Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?

i.chzbgr.com
2012-08-14 10:19:46 AM  
2 votes:
this has really made me think. i'm very lucky to have attended a school where athletics didn't matter, the athletes never got any special attention, and nothing was more important than integrity.

go buckeyes!
2012-08-14 08:42:50 AM  
2 votes:
I still vote for mass genocide against everyone who has ever set foot in the town. Glad to see the rest of you finally coming around.
2012-08-14 08:20:33 AM  
2 votes:
spentmiles:

I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas.

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

8/10
2012-08-14 08:15:49 AM  
2 votes:
As a Penn State Grad I am ashamed of what the Football staff did. But to take away the value of MY diploma by taking away the school's accrediation is too much. I know I sound selfish but I think of all the alumni when I say this. Even though i have nothing to do with the football staff or program (aside from attending all but 2 games during my 4 years 91-95) I feel true remorse about what happened to the victims of these crimes. I truely weep for them Punish those that did the crimes and those that covered it up. Please do not punish me or the thousands of others who attended The Pennsylvania State University.
2012-08-14 07:35:10 AM  
2 votes:
This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.
2012-08-14 01:55:42 PM  
1 vote:
For the Butt Hurt PSU defenders:

Except for some OSU fans, this is not about PSU in particular. Most of us couldn't care less about college football - the NFL is a far better game and more conveniently scheduled. This is about corruption so extreme in American academia that the sexual assault of children became OK across multiple departments (google Lasgaga and Neisworth). The only reason PSU has been allowed to continue to exist even this long is because it's a school. Any other institution would have been shuttered in weeks if not days. PSU can scream "nothing is more important than education! it's for our future!" and get at least a delay and possible pass where no one else could ("it's for the children!" probably doesn't work anymore, though). This shouldn't be the case. No person or institution is supposed to be above the law.

It's pretty obvious that this has been going on for a long time at many different schools. If there is a reason to pick on PSU in particular, it is the astounding arrogance in which the school's admins, profs, staff, and students have behaved in this case.

If they could shut down Wharton, the Citadel, LA County Public Schools, or any other academic institution that has pulling this garbage, we'd cheer just as hard.
2012-08-14 11:59:27 AM  
1 vote:
Just look at all these farks I give!

1.bp.blogspot.com

/this is why you don't protect child farkers
2012-08-14 10:33:22 AM  
1 vote:
What Sandusky did was wrong and horrible. Joe should have told the police and not just kicked it up the ladder. But had Sandusky robbed a bank would they be punishing the entire University,students, and town.
Everyone wants to jump on the beat up PSU bandwagon. It's the new Salem Witch Trials.Burn them at the stake just because it's entertaining.
2012-08-14 10:16:56 AM  
1 vote:
Everyone ever connected with Penn State needs to be given the death penalty. Anyone with a PSU degree, put them in front of a firing squad. Anyone who ever visited Happy Valley and contributed to the local economy? Hang them. Every past founder and alumni of Penn State? Dig them up and burn them. Exile the state of Pennsylvania from the United States, burn the entire university to the ground, and salt the earth.

CHILDREN WERE RAPED, DON'T YOU GET IT???!!! CHILDREN WERE RAPED!! IF YOU DON'T SUPPORT THESE ACTIONS, YOU SUPPORT CHILD RAPE!!!!
2012-08-14 09:57:45 AM  
1 vote:

Pochas: Penn State raised 7 million dollars last year for children with cancer, they raise a similar amount of money every year.

Research is carried out there to create novel methods of treating all manner of diseases.

Example : http://live.psu.edu/story/55260

They also do research for renewable energy, fundamental science, space exploration.

I think there ought to be some punishment for what Sandusky did, but consider how many people, and which people, are really being punished if the school is shut down.


As far as this thread is concerned, they're all kid-rapists by association. The janitors, the international students, the scientists (those white-tower elitists), the food staff, the freshmen who are just now moving into the dorms, they're guilty too. So is all of central PA. Hell, the Big 10 have their hands dirty as well, burn everything!

CLEANSE IT IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!

/starting to get into WH40K, sorry
2012-08-14 09:54:57 AM  
1 vote:

Carth: You didn't answer the question. If Penn State can't cover their financial obligations should they be treated like other schools and lose their accreditation?


Could someone let me know if Carth is a known troll? I'm not terribly active on the main page, but I'm having trouble believing somebody would be this intentionally misdirecting.

But I'll read the article to you anyway.

The commission said in an Aug. 8 notice that Penn State remains accredited while "on warning" but it wants a monitoring report submitted by the end of next month detailing steps taken to ensure full compliance with governmental requirements, that the university's mission is being carried out, that the commission will be fully informed and that Penn State is complying with standards on leadership and governance as well as integrity.

The commission also wants the report to address the university's ability to bear financial obligations stemming from "the investigation and related settlements, etc." It said "a small team visit" will be made, a standard practice "to verify institutional status and progress."


So rather than focusing on what the comission actually demanded an answer on, you're harping on their secondary point that was so critical they actually used "etc" in it?

But to answer your intentionally leading question: no, Penn State should not be immune to their financial obligations. However, I would task you to find me a university that's been in dire financial straights(easy) that's lost its accreditation(not quite as easy).
2012-08-14 09:53:42 AM  
1 vote:
Penn State raised 7 million dollars last year for children with cancer, they raise a similar amount of money every year.

Research is carried out there to create novel methods of treating all manner of diseases.

Example : http://live.psu.edu/story/55260

They also do research for renewable energy, fundamental science, space exploration.

I think there ought to be some punishment for what Sandusky did, but consider how many people, and which people, are really being punished if the school is shut down.
2012-08-14 09:52:41 AM  
1 vote:

Kyro: The Muthaship: Punishing an institution for wrongdoing is, itself, a wrong now?

You're not punishing the institution. You're punishing every current and recent employee, as well as every alumni that earned that school's degree.

You want to punish the entire administration? Remove the administration. Hold THEM accountable. Why the fark should the janitor that's been there 30 years be punished? Why should all of Penn State's students be punished for what Sandusky and some of the school's officials pulled?

I don't recall anyone wanting to punish USC for O.J.


www.climategate.com
...until it is time to share any blame.
2012-08-14 09:49:48 AM  
1 vote:

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


NAMBLA purchases it as a national shtine.
2012-08-14 09:44:26 AM  
1 vote:

Carth: Did you read the article? The accreditation board is concerned with Penn State not being able to pay their bills. A school losing accreditation because it can't meet financial obligations isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Do you think Penn State should be exempt from the rules because their financial troubles come from legal problems?


Oh please. Don't be so dense. This is entirely the MSC rattling its sabre so they don't get viewed as looking the other way on the matter as Paterno did. They're covering their own asses by threatening to burn the whole building down.
2012-08-14 09:38:24 AM  
1 vote:

The Muthaship: /I don't deny being an idiot.


Well I'm glad we got that cleared up.

The Muthaship: //but, do you how do you think this board would look if they didn't at least act concerned about what went down at PSU?


Absolutely. But there's more ways to look concerned. Your boss doesn't have to come down and threaten the secretary with a stapler to the throat just to get someone to clear a paper jam.
2012-08-14 09:33:08 AM  
1 vote:
No, just no.

It is one thing to nuke the fark out of the football program as an object lesson to the rest of the world that "This is what happens to your precious little armored wankball program when your D-Coord rapes kids and you fail to report."

Nuking the academic side is just plain lazy. PSU has done a lot to expand and provide health services to the mid state, they've done a lot to become a fairly good school in PA and they are the the best the state has in terms of mass public education (not that Pitt is bad, but PSU can support a larger student body). On the academic side you determine who was in on the coverup and the pedo ring. You take both those groups and you throw them in jail cells for at least a couple of decades. You have the DoE take control of the school (or at least the appointment of senior academic admins) for a time period, and you move forward from there. If the BoT has an issue with that you tell them to shut the fark up since they were clearly incapable of running a clean school.

At the end of the day if the BoT decides to go down in flames, then yes I guess you have to strip accreditation, but assuming the BoT is willing to accept DoE management of the school for a time period, I see no reason to remove the accreditation. Simply nuking PSU though farks over a lot of people who depend on its health care services (the medical faculty is gone the minute accreditation is gone, so a lot of people lose the specialist they were seeing) and of course the students/degree holders. The medical and academic arms of PSU are actually legit public goods. You don't go rip up the Interstate System or something like that just because it turns out a bunch of the engineers on it were child rapists, you purge the company and move forward.
2012-08-14 09:23:35 AM  
1 vote:

liam76: I am all for putting the full force of the law and any accrediting group for higher education, academics, etc against any individual who had a hand on covering this up but any action that punished the 10's of thousands of people who knew nothing about this, had no hand in it, and won't even hurt the people responsible is worse than pointless.


According to this thread, none of those people matter, because revenge.
2012-08-14 09:22:46 AM  
1 vote:

SpectroBoy: But think of this. If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.


The people who were responsible for this VERY clearly did something illegal. In the face of being imprisoned, (and our penalties for this kind of thing are STEEP) the idea that the place you work might be shuttered is incredibly moronic, and has been from the beginning.

Its like advocating the addition of a really big fine to the penalties for murder. Maybe they won't murder if they know there'll be a financial risk!

Idiot
2012-08-14 09:08:31 AM  
1 vote:
Rhythmic slapping. You would think that would put everything in perspective. The people of this fine college town should stick a plunger up their ass and rhythmically jam it in and out several hundred times. I don't think they are exhibiting the right level of empathy yet.
2012-08-14 09:04:36 AM  
1 vote:

SweetDickens: If you are a real student....should have been smart enough to chose another school.......


No kidding! All REAL students have psychic powers to know what the administrators are up to behind closed doors. Anyone who thinks the ENTIRE CAMPUS didn't know what was going on is a fool. Obviously, every single person on campus was is on it. They probably had weekly pedo parties and invited the entire town. Death to everyone in Pennsylvania, I say. It's the only way.
2012-08-14 08:27:50 AM  
1 vote:

i1094.photobucket.com

No reason, I just felt like this was somehow relevant....

2012-08-14 08:21:07 AM  
1 vote:
So now they are going to punish EVERY Penn State student and alumni.

Good luck getting a job recent Penn State alumns. You arent getting shiat if your school is no longer accredited.

/what's next? The entire state of Pennsylvania?
2012-08-14 08:18:41 AM  
1 vote:

Carth: A few dozen people at Enron committed crimes and 20,000 people lost their jobs and shareholders lost over 70 billion dollars. The world isn't always fair.


Ah.. so that's justification to intentionally punish thousands of others who had nothing to do with it.

Your punishment for the US's role in the Trail of Tears is pending. Sorry. The world isn't always fair.
2012-08-14 08:10:43 AM  
1 vote:
One asshole and his prick friends cover up some insidious actions, and that's an excuse to punish tens of thousands of innocent staff and alumni that were just as disgusted and angry as the rest of the country?

Stop being stupid.
2012-08-14 07:54:06 AM  
1 vote:
Next week's article: Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?
2012-08-14 07:50:03 AM  
1 vote:
"WE ARE"

//facepalm
2012-08-14 07:41:59 AM  
1 vote:
So all those degrees in Creative Linebacking aren't going to be worth diddly squat?
2012-08-14 07:38:38 AM  
1 vote:
After the school closes and everyone moves out, I suggest nuking the site with a tactical meteor. Make it our Tunguska. Only way to be sure.
2012-08-14 07:37:39 AM  
1 vote:
And the feds are still looking in to the rumor that Sandusky was trading kid smut with a prominent booster.
2012-08-14 07:30:08 AM  
1 vote:
Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?
 
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