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2012-08-14 11:12:41 AM
fine. Wharton sucks too. does more kids being raped elsewhere apply to the NCAA actions against Penn State?

/ what is up with raping kids in Pennsylvania? it's like an institution or something.
/ PSU shouldn't be nuked, but they should comply with the law. same goes for Wharton.
 
2012-08-14 11:23:20 AM
Never went to Penn State. Don't care about college football. Don't really even care about the college I went to, let alone some college halfway across the country.

This is going too far.
 
2012-08-14 11:28:59 AM

brobdiggy: Sham classes were offered to athletes who received high grades on transcripts, raising their grades so they could remain eligible.
What do I mean by sham? The classes didn't have assignments, and didn't even MEET.


That's the difference. There was too much meeting goin on at Penn State.
/if you know what I mean
//and I think you do.
 
2012-08-14 11:40:32 AM

taliesinwi: I'm pretty sure HR managers can use something called "a calendar" and realize that said student's degree was granted before the loss of accreditation. It would suck more to be a senior at the school right now, but as others have said, there are always options.


Maybe. If you take away accreditation tens of thousands of students, maybe with 100+ credits, are screwed. If those credits lose value the students may be out upwards of $50k and several years of their lives and of course student loans follow you until you die. Scholarship football players can always almost transfer to a lower caliber football school and find someone to give them a scholarship, or keep their scholarship and not play (per the terms of the NCAA punishment) but the same isn't true of the rest of the students who would see their degree lose most of its value. There's no guarantee anyone would take them as transfers or accept the credits, and for all the in state students benefiting from in state state school tuition almost anywhere else they could go would be more expensive anyway.

As a punishment this is a ridiculous overreach and I'd be surprised as hell if it happens.
 
2012-08-14 11:48:22 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Super_pope: Its like advocating the addition of a really big fine to the penalties for murder. Maybe they won't murder if they know there'll be a financial risk!

Idiot

Someone hasn't heard of the concept of marijuana tax stamps, have they?

For those unfamiliar--in twenty states (which are an almost identical set, of note, with those states where even marijuana for medical purposes is illegal and which have explicitly not decriminalised possession of small amounts) you are technically required to purchase a tax stamp if you possess marijuana (just like tobacco cigarettes are supposed to have a tiny tax stamp on them).

If folks get busted and they didn't get the tax stamp, they can technically be busted for tax evasion above and beyond the usual charges; if someone DOES buy a marijuana tax stamp, that's prima facie evidence that they're in possession of an illicit substance--and usually to a degree that would not only be considered a felony but frank intent to distribute.

(For example, in Kentucky (which has no medical marijuana law and still aggressively prosecutes mere possession), you're supposed to get a marijuana tax stamp if you own more than five plants or 42.5 grams, and the tax rates are steep ($1000 per plant or $150 for the minimum amount with increases of $3.50 per gram afterwards). Failure to pay the tax is double the amount of the tax and it's considered a class C felony (with imprisonment of 5-10 years and a possible fine of up to $10,000).

(Of course, if one WERE to get a tax stamp, you've just admitted to a class D felony of 1-5 years imprisonment (with mandatory minimums) and a fine of $10,000 if you admit to owning plants, or a misdemeanor possession-with-intent-to-sell charge with penalty of up to 1 year in prison and $500 fine (possession of less than 8 oz for personal use is still up to 45 days in jail and a $250 fine here; 42.5 grams is a little less than 2 ounces). Kentucky also treats mere possession of more than 8 grams as prima faci ...


That has nothing to do with dissuading people and everything to do with trying to extract more revenue from people after they're caught. Is a TAX STAMP a deterrent? Uh... yeah I guess. Is it meaningless in relation to going to jail for 20 years? Yep. Tax evasion? Okay I guess that's a little extra time, but you were already losing a huge chunk of your life.
 
2012-08-14 11:48:53 AM

sethstorm: CheatCommando: sethstorm: see Penn State's appeal

What appeal?

This one

Their opinions do matter whether you like it or not.


Nope. Paterno was an employee, his employer has accepted the sanctions. Deal with it. This will be laughed out of court.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:30 AM
There is a whole lot of stupid in this thread.

This warning from the accreditation commission isn't an attack on Penn State or piling on like some in this thread are claiming. This is a very warranted investigation into the financial stability of the school. Penn State is looking at millions of dollars in settlements it is going to have to pay as a result of this scandal and right now know body knows exactly how many people will come forward. So this scandal is going to tie Penn State up financially for years. If Penn State is unable to show that they have enough money to remain stable they will have their accreditation either pulled or be put on probation.

In a situation like this, this is a real concern. Unless you think that it is ok for a school to remain accredited when there is a real possibility that it could run out of money and either close its doors or cut classes halfway through a semester and tell students that have already paid tuition too bad.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:47 AM
This thread is proof of what I said above, the public is done with this scandal. It's over in their eyes. No real change taking place at Penn State University but that does not matter, what matters is football will begin soon and the community will heal. Those poor aggrieved souls!
 
2012-08-14 11:59:27 AM
Just look at all these farks I give!

1.bp.blogspot.com

/this is why you don't protect child farkers
 
2012-08-14 12:02:01 PM

Rincewind53: The president of a college has very little to do with day-to-day academics, and much more to do with fundraising and long-term strategy.


He didn't think this strategy all the way through now, did he?
 
2012-08-14 12:05:52 PM

spentmiles: Revoking Penn State's entire academic accreditation ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did the Computer Science Department train Sandusky to create Excel spreadsheets for tracking vulnerable children? Did the English Department teach him to write loving sonnets and whisper them sweetly to young boys as he twirled his fingers in their hair? Did the psychology department tutor him in manipulation techniques? No, no, and no. Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?

As outlined in the Freech report, the low level employees of the athletic department were responsible for recruiting young boys by way of various football camps. The underlings, like McQueary, got the scraps while the choice pickings were sent up the line to Sandusky. Sandusky, along with those of similar rank, then tested the boys with various forms of sexual abuse. The cream of the crop -- the 1-2% out of the hundreds of applicants -- were then sent up to Paterno who basically wrote the book on sodomy. When Paterno was done with the kid, he'd have sex with him one last time while slitting his throat. The janitors of the athletic department would then discard the bodies in the incinerators. As Freech pointed out, this system went on for decades. It ran so smoothly that no one detected a thing. It wasn't until McQueary sent a boy with herpes up the chain that Sandusky got angry and threatened to fire him. McQueary, whose wife was battling ovarian cancer at the time, couldn't afford to lose his medical benefits, so he blew the proverbial whistle.

Yet even with all of those facts, the NCAA just slapped their wrists and sent them to the corner for a little while. If I was a Penn State student, I would dig up Paterno myself and defile his corpse with an ax handle. As to why Sandusky is still alive testifies to the far reach of college football. I'm sure he's promising scholarships to every inmate ...


You are without doubt my favorite troll.
Pro homosexual child rape.
Pro religious violence.(as long as its the white Jesus christian kind)
Pro oligarchy.
Pro government.
Pro police. (brutality corruption etc.)
Pro racist.
Anti constitution.
Anti civil rights.
Anti freedom.


On a related note would stripping Penn State's accreditation also strip financial aid? If so I'm all for it.
 
2012-08-14 12:10:11 PM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: What scares me about Penn state is that I have no reason to believe that other school administrations (or any other bureaucracy) isn't capable of something similar.


the cult of Penn State was heavily dependent on the image of Paterno. I agree that this could probably happen elsewhere, but the breadth of this scandal was made possible by the fact that this cult had a leader. That isn't true everywhere.
 
2012-08-14 12:10:17 PM

Super_pope: SpectroBoy: But think of this. If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.

The people who were responsible for this VERY clearly did something illegal. In the face of being imprisoned, (and our penalties for this kind of thing are STEEP) the idea that the place you work might be shuttered is incredibly moronic, and has been from the beginning.

Its like advocating the addition of a really big fine to the penalties for murder. Maybe they won't murder if they know there'll be a financial risk!

Idiot


Punishments don't work, we should just let people get away with doing whatever the fark they want to!

Idiot.
 
2012-08-14 12:23:08 PM

spentmiles: Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?


Because it's cool to call anyone and everyone affiliated with PSU enablers.

That aside, I think the accreditation issue has more to do with how much money PSU will have after they get hammered with lawsuit after lawsuit after lawsuit. I personally would like to know that the school I went to wasn't flat broke after the athletic department and the administration thought it was a better idea to protect a child rapist than to protect the community and the children who were victimized.

/PSU alum
//Good luck getting any money from me
 
2012-08-14 12:24:46 PM
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2012-08-14 12:29:39 PM

Krustofsky: /PSU alum
//Good luck getting any money from me


Yep. They got all they're gonna get outta me when I was a student.
 
2012-08-14 12:32:04 PM

Great Porn Dragon: (For example, in Kentucky (which has no medical marijuana law and still aggressively prosecutes mere possession), you're supposed to get a marijuana tax stamp if you own more than five plants or 42.5 grams, and the tax rates are steep ($1000 per plant or $150 for the minimum amount with increases of $3.50 per gram afterwards). Failure to pay the tax is double the amount of the tax and it's considered a class C felony (with imprisonment of 5-10 years and a possible fine of up to $10,000).


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2012-08-14 12:39:47 PM

liam76: spentmiles: I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas. Those poor kids were duped into attending PSU by predatory admissions officers

What is Romney's stance on this?


wide
 
2012-08-14 12:41:52 PM

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


It becomes a movie set, or set of a TV show... or another school moves in.
 
2012-08-14 12:45:03 PM

Pichu0102: I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.


Why would students' degrees now be toxic? No students were accused of molestation, just the faculty. That's like saying anyone from Aurora, CO should be allowed to sue because being from Aurora is toxic and they'll have a hard time getting a job. The perpetrators, in both scenarios, have been caught, and everyone knows it.
 
2012-08-14 12:59:55 PM

stonicus: Pichu0102: I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.

Why would students' degrees now be toxic? No students were accused of molestation, just the faculty. That's like saying anyone from Aurora, CO should be allowed to sue because being from Aurora is toxic and they'll have a hard time getting a job. The perpetrators, in both scenarios, have been caught, and everyone knows it.


That is the reason that Penn State supporters give to support their argument that Penn State shouldn't be punished for any of this.

Like I have said in previous Penn State threads, just wait until the civil suits start rolling in. When this happens you will really hear some disgusting shiat flow from the mouths of Penn State supporters.
 
2012-08-14 01:05:10 PM

ongbok: stonicus: Pichu0102: I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.

Why would students' degrees now be toxic? No students were accused of molestation, just the faculty. That's like saying anyone from Aurora, CO should be allowed to sue because being from Aurora is toxic and they'll have a hard time getting a job. The perpetrators, in both scenarios, have been caught, and everyone knows it.

That is the reason that Penn State supporters give to support their argument that Penn State shouldn't be punished for any of this.

Like I have said in previous Penn State threads, just wait until the civil suits start rolling in. When this happens you will really hear some disgusting shiat flow from the mouths of Penn State supporters.


The students didn't screw up, But Penn State did. The students should be protected and shielded from blowback, but the instution itself is deserving of punishment. When you hire a teacher, or department head, or a football coach, you're saying "this person is part of Penn State now".
 
2012-08-14 01:15:54 PM
I called for the death penalty, but this isn't quite what I had in mind.
 
2012-08-14 01:26:14 PM
Finally. Good by Penn State. No one's going to miss you.

/only way to go after Neisworth and Lasaga
//feel a bit sorry for the students
///no pity for the profs, admins, and staff
 
2012-08-14 01:26:28 PM

stonicus: ongbok: stonicus: Pichu0102: I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.

Why would students' degrees now be toxic? No students were accused of molestation, just the faculty. That's like saying anyone from Aurora, CO should be allowed to sue because being from Aurora is toxic and they'll have a hard time getting a job. The perpetrators, in both scenarios, have been caught, and everyone knows it.

That is the reason that Penn State supporters give to support their argument that Penn State shouldn't be punished for any of this.

Like I have said in previous Penn State threads, just wait until the civil suits start rolling in. When this happens you will really hear some disgusting shiat flow from the mouths of Penn State supporters.

The students didn't screw up, But Penn State did. The students should be protected and shielded from blowback, but the instution itself is deserving of punishment. When you hire a teacher, or department head, or a football coach, you're saying "this person is part of Penn State now".


Seriously, what blow back are the students getting? They won't have a good football team? Is anybody denying Penn State alumni, current students or faculty any jobs? No. None of that is happening and any talk of it is just the people that want Penn State to walk away free and clear claiming that they are victims.

And this whole accreditation flap is a real concern due to the fact that Penn State is facing huge financial burden and there are real concerns whether or not they can remain solvent.
 
2012-08-14 01:32:48 PM

Zik-Zak: Pochas: Penn State raised 7 million dollars last year for children with cancer, they raise a similar amount of money every year.

Research is carried out there to create novel methods of treating all manner of diseases.

Example : http://live.psu.edu/story/55260

They also do research for renewable energy, fundamental science, space exploration.

I think there ought to be some punishment for what Sandusky did, but consider how many people, and which people, are really being punished if the school is shut down.

As far as this thread is concerned, they're all kid-rapists by association. The janitors, the international students, the scientists (those white-tower elitists), the food staff, the freshmen who are just now moving into the dorms, they're guilty too. So is all of central PA. Hell, the Big 10 have their hands dirty as well, burn everything!

CLEANSE IT IN THE NAME OF THE EMPEROR!

/starting to get into WH40K, sorry


Two scientists at Penn State, Lasaga and Neisworth, with no ties to the football program, also raped kids. Lasaga is serving 20 years for raping a kid after he moved to Yale. Neisworth paid an out of court settlement and is professor for the development of autistic children.

There is also the small matter of missing DA and presumed to be dead Ray Gricar.
 
2012-08-14 01:33:23 PM

beta_plus:
///no pity for the profs


yeah, that farking football loving childrape empowering philosophy department. They should have done more.
 
2012-08-14 01:35:23 PM

beta_plus:
There is also the small matter of missing DA and presumed to be dead Ray Gricar.


You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. JFK was assassinated because of PSU. The Challenger was shot down because it carried PSU evidence. 9/11 was an inside job to distract the media from PSU.
 
2012-08-14 01:35:53 PM
It's funny all the people who think this is going too far for Penn State were at best awfully quiet or outright cheering when these guys paid the ultimate price:

www.infoservices.com

/those poor, poor accountants who had their lives ruined and had nothing to do with Enron
 
2012-08-14 01:37:36 PM

Axissillian: beta_plus:
///no pity for the profs

yeah, that farking football loving childrape empowering philosophy department. They should have done more.


You mean like Lasaga and Neisworth?

/one pedo is a tragedy
//two pedos is a coincidence
///three - that's a bit suspicious
 
2012-08-14 01:41:01 PM

Axissillian: beta_plus:
There is also the small matter of missing DA and presumed to be dead Ray Gricar.

You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. JFK was assassinated because of PSU. The Challenger was shot down because it carried PSU evidence. 9/11 was an inside job to distract the media from PSU.


yep, nothing suspicious about his disappearance. He was only just the guy in charge of investigating PSU. After he disappeared, his car was found abandoned and locked with cigarette ash in it despite him being a non-smoker, his laptop was found in the river WITH THE HARD DRIVE MISSING, and when the hard drive was later recovered it was in such bad shape that the guys who got the flight data from the Challenger couldn't read it. I'm sure it was just some tweeker desperate for cash who did it.

/but that's no reason to suspect the PSU admins
 
2012-08-14 01:45:41 PM

beta_plus: It's funny all the people who think this is going too far for Penn State were at best awfully quiet or outright cheering when these guys paid the ultimate price:


An outside agency didn't go in and force them to close up - they were forced to close because no one wanted to employ them anymore and the lawsuits swallowed up their assets. Similarly, Enron didn't have the money it claimed it had, then its stock dried up. It wasn't forced to close by the government.

If that happens here, no one wants to go there anymore and the settlements take up everything they have, then so be it. That is not what the "I hate Penn State" brigade is advocating, however.
 
2012-08-14 01:46:39 PM

beta_plus: yep, nothing suspicious about his disappearance. He was only just the guy in charge of investigating PSU. After he disappeared, his car was found abandoned and locked with cigarette ash in it despite him being a non-smoker, his laptop was found in the river WITH THE HARD DRIVE MISSING, and when the hard drive was later recovered it was in such bad shape that the guys who got the flight data from the Challenger couldn't read it. I'm sure it was just some tweeker desperate for cash who did it.


He was also working on a case involving the mob at the time. But I'm sure those guys are just "tweekers desperate for cash."
 
2012-08-14 01:46:50 PM

beta_plus:
yep, nothing suspicious about his disappearance. He was only just the guy in charge of investigating PSU. After he disappeared, his car was found abandoned and locked with cigarette ash in it despite him being a non-smoker, his laptop was found in the river WITH THE HARD DRIVE MISSING, and when the hard drive was later recovered it was in such bad shape that the guys who got the flight data from the Challenger couldn't read it. I'm sure it was just some tweeker desperate for cash who did it.

/but that's no reason to suspect the PSU admins


Ok cool, I just wanted to confirm you get all your information from conspiracy websites and forums, and have never, you know, read a newspaper.

Hint: read a newspaper to find out why everything you just said is comically dumb.
 
2012-08-14 01:54:15 PM
FTFA: "This action has nothing to do with the quality of education our students receive,"

End of quote: "Except, you know, for the ones who are getting raped while in our care..."
 
2012-08-14 01:55:42 PM
For the Butt Hurt PSU defenders:

Except for some OSU fans, this is not about PSU in particular. Most of us couldn't care less about college football - the NFL is a far better game and more conveniently scheduled. This is about corruption so extreme in American academia that the sexual assault of children became OK across multiple departments (google Lasgaga and Neisworth). The only reason PSU has been allowed to continue to exist even this long is because it's a school. Any other institution would have been shuttered in weeks if not days. PSU can scream "nothing is more important than education! it's for our future!" and get at least a delay and possible pass where no one else could ("it's for the children!" probably doesn't work anymore, though). This shouldn't be the case. No person or institution is supposed to be above the law.

It's pretty obvious that this has been going on for a long time at many different schools. If there is a reason to pick on PSU in particular, it is the astounding arrogance in which the school's admins, profs, staff, and students have behaved in this case.

If they could shut down Wharton, the Citadel, LA County Public Schools, or any other academic institution that has pulling this garbage, we'd cheer just as hard.
 
2012-08-14 02:04:07 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Punishments don't work, we should just let people get away with doing whatever the fark they want to!

Idiot.



Threatening to burn down the office of a child molester who's going to jail for the rest of his life is not going to make other people who molest children think, "Oh shoot. I really like my desk. Better not have sex with kids!"

Punishment works just fine. Taking on gigantic punitive sanctions for other people onto a criminal's punishments is stupid and meaningless. Making useless threats when gigantic civil and criminal penalties have already been committed to is pointless. "These guys would have thought twice if they knew the football program would get the death penalty!"

No. No they farking wouldn't have. They didn't think twice about GOING TO JAIL FOR A FEW DECADES. Its sad that you think the people who commit crimes like this are going to worry about a little football.
 
2012-08-14 02:05:05 PM

beta_plus: his is about corruption so extreme in American academia that the sexual assault of children became OK across multiple departments (google Lasgaga and Neisworth).


Ok, I am gonna have to call bullshiat on this one since you seem so dedicated to using it as a crutch.

With Lasaga and Neisworth, there were both not enough evidence to even press charges. Hell, the only person in the Neisworth case who did have charges pressed was also acquitted. How was Penn State involved in this? Do you really think a completely different administration from the one in the Sandusky situation put in a concerted effort to destroy literally all the evidence of wrong-doing at a moment's notice?

Or, do you think that literally anyone accused of a crime should be immediately assumed guilty and banned from any job anywhere for life? Because, while it is a tragedy when a child predator gets away from a lack of evidence, its also a tragedy for an innocent person to have their life ruined because we "want to be super duper safe and sure."

I cannot tell you if you are delusional or merely stupid.
 
2012-08-14 02:05:46 PM

Axissillian: beta_plus:
yep, nothing suspicious about his disappearance. He was only just the guy in charge of investigating PSU. After he disappeared, his car was found abandoned and locked with cigarette ash in it despite him being a non-smoker, his laptop was found in the river WITH THE HARD DRIVE MISSING, and when the hard drive was later recovered it was in such bad shape that the guys who got the flight data from the Challenger couldn't read it. I'm sure it was just some tweeker desperate for cash who did it.

/but that's no reason to suspect the PSU admins

Ok cool, I just wanted to confirm you get all your information from conspiracy websites and forums, and have never, you know, read a newspaper.

Hint: read a newspaper to find out why everything you just said is comically dumb.


No one really knows. But in those cases, look at who has the biggest incentive to make someone like that disappear.

/hint: it's not the mob
//maybe you should stop reading alternet so much
 
2012-08-14 02:10:48 PM

Axissillian: beta_plus: his is about corruption so extreme in American academia that the sexual assault of children became OK across multiple departments (google Lasgaga and Neisworth).

Ok, I am gonna have to call bullshiat on this one since you seem so dedicated to using it as a crutch.

With Lasaga and Neisworth, there were both not enough evidence to even press charges. Hell, the only person in the Neisworth case who did have charges pressed was also acquitted. How was Penn State involved in this? Do you really think a completely different administration from the one in the Sandusky situation put in a concerted effort to destroy literally all the evidence of wrong-doing at a moment's notice?

Or, do you think that literally anyone accused of a crime should be immediately assumed guilty and banned from any job anywhere for life? Because, while it is a tragedy when a child predator gets away from a lack of evidence, its also a tragedy for an innocent person to have their life ruined because we "want to be super duper safe and sure."

I cannot tell you if you are delusional or merely stupid.


I can't tell if you are in mad love with PSU in particular, or will defend any educational institution no matter how horrific their crimes and attempt to block legitimate investigations of possible crimes because "Education is the most important thing there is!".

I also can't tell if you just love PSU or that you believe that non government institutions do not have a right to free association when it comes to academia and may not end their relationships with them at their discretion.

/let me guess, you thought Arthur Andersen got exactly what it deserved
 
2012-08-14 02:10:56 PM

beta_plus:
No one really knows. But in those cases, look at who has the biggest incentive to make someone like that disappear.


Why would Penn State have an incentive to murder someone who ACCORDING TO THE ARTICLE YOU farkING POSTED he declined to press any charges?

Do you think Penn State has assassins who break into the homes of DA's and plant evidence of faking their death on a computer?
 
2012-08-14 02:11:47 PM

beta_plus: /those poor, poor accountants who had their lives ruined and had nothing to do with Enron


Lots of people have been laid off because businesses made bad decisions and went bankrupt. Hell, lots of people have been laid off because business made good decisions, were bought out, and then departments were consolidated. It's not remotely the same as having someone de-accredit the school if you're two semesters from graduation.

They should absolutely clean house but punishing the current students is vindictiveness for its own sake.
 
2012-08-14 02:12:13 PM

beta_plus: Axissillian: beta_plus:
There is also the small matter of missing DA and presumed to be dead Ray Gricar.

You have no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes. JFK was assassinated because of PSU. The Challenger was shot down because it carried PSU evidence. 9/11 was an inside job to distract the media from PSU.

yep, nothing suspicious about his disappearance. He was only just the guy in charge of investigating PSU. After he disappeared, his car was found abandoned and locked with cigarette ash in it despite him being a non-smoker, his laptop was found in the river WITH THE HARD DRIVE MISSING, and when the hard drive was later recovered it was in such bad shape that the guys who got the flight data from the Challenger couldn't read it. I'm sure it was just some tweeker desperate for cash who did it.

/but that's no reason to suspect the PSU admins


Yeah, Grahm Spanier was sending out hitmen.

And BTW, nobody here is saying that we should not go after the Admins who were involved.
 
2012-08-14 02:13:05 PM

beta_plus:

I can't tell if you are in mad love with PSU in particular, or will defend any educational institution no matter how horrific their crimes and attempt to block legitimate investigations of possible crimes because "Education is the most important thing there is!".

I also can't tell if you just love PSU or that you believe that non government institutions do not have a right to free association when it comes to academia and may not end their relationships with them at their discretion.

/let me guess, you thought Arthur Andersen got exactly what it deserved


Ok, delusional AND stupid. Thanks for clearing that up.
 
rka
2012-08-14 02:21:10 PM

you have pee hands: They should absolutely clean house but punishing the current students is vindictiveness for its own sake.


No student has been punished.

Continually crying about the students, when the students are still going about their daily lives as before is deflection at it's worse and contributes in large part to the mockery and derision of the whole PSU "culture".

Nothing that has been done up to this point has hurt any students.
 
2012-08-14 02:28:00 PM

rka: you have pee hands: They should absolutely clean house but punishing the current students is vindictiveness for its own sake.

No student has been punished.

Continually crying about the students, when the students are still going about their daily lives as before is deflection at it's worse and contributes in large part to the mockery and derision of the whole PSU "culture".

Nothing that has been done up to this point has hurt any students.


Right, but they are trying to punish students, which is why people are complaining.
 
2012-08-14 02:29:31 PM
Accreditation committees look at a lot more than the academics of an institution. My college received one for the dysfunctional behavior of its Board of Trustees. They wanted to see a plan implemented for reducing what they felt was inappropriate micromanagement. The problem was addressed and the warning was lifted. They also look for fiscal management, staffing, and governance issues. These are all things that have a great deal to do with an institution's ability to function to proper accredited standards. From the article, this is what the accreditation board is looking at with Penn State, and for good reason. But a warning is not the last step before accreditation is stripped -- there's probation, and other steps. Losing accreditation usually takes a few years. I doubt that this will happen to Penn State.
 
2012-08-14 02:29:35 PM

rka: Nothing that has been done up to this point has hurt any students.


What affect do you think removing the schools status as an accredited institution would have on the students? What purpose do you think it would serve?
 
2012-08-14 02:35:51 PM

Kyro: thatboyoverthere: Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.

How about the engineering student that went to Penn State, was completely disinterested in football and is now job searching with a toxic degree? How is this at all that student's fault?


They chose the school. They intentionally went to a school where football rules all, and as it turns out, farks little kids AND trades them around to alum.

Frankly, they chose poorly.

Next time pick a really good engineering school, and this won't be a problem. No one has ever accused the football coach at MIT of being a child raping sadist.
 
rka
2012-08-14 02:37:49 PM

you have pee hands: rka: Nothing that has been done up to this point has hurt any students.

What affect do you think removing the schools status as an accredited institution would have on the students? What purpose do you think it would serve?


The purpose would be to honor the guidelines of being a accredited school. If PSU is unable to maintain those guidelines, why should they maintain their status?

Axissillian: Right, but they are trying to punish students, which is why people are complaining.


No they are not trying to punish students. That's idiotic and it's why people are laughing at you. This constant persecution complex is so out of touch and out of place.

They are ensuring PSU honors the guidelines for being accredited in the first place. PSU has plenty of opportunity to ensure they continue to meet the guidelines and if they do so absolutely nothing will come of this.
 
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