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2012-08-14 09:21:28 AM

Pichu0102: I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.


The Feds forgive student loans if your school looses accredation. At least they used to.
 
2012-08-14 09:22:08 AM

Animatronik: They shouldnt destroy the university over this, just make institute reforms.


Isn't this what we're talking about? "Show us you've made administrative reforms, or we won't be able to reaffirm your accreditation"?
 
2012-08-14 09:22:28 AM

uberaverage: Jerry Sandusky was married and running a childrens' charity. And the only people who were expected to know he was abusing kids were employeed by Penn St.?


Obviously. No one should be held accountable except PSU.

I believe that's called a "red herring?"
 
2012-08-14 09:22:46 AM

SpectroBoy: But think of this. If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.


The people who were responsible for this VERY clearly did something illegal. In the face of being imprisoned, (and our penalties for this kind of thing are STEEP) the idea that the place you work might be shuttered is incredibly moronic, and has been from the beginning.

Its like advocating the addition of a really big fine to the penalties for murder. Maybe they won't murder if they know there'll be a financial risk!

Idiot
 
2012-08-14 09:22:54 AM

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Who, exactly, is going to continue going to a non-accredited university?


Whoever wants to?

Are you suggesting that PSU's ability to market itself is more important than taking appropriate action against it when it does wrong? Are they too big to fail? This board of accreditation has a right to look at the institutions it endorses. If they don't live up to the well defined standards they've established, they have the right to revoke accreditation. What does it mean for the other schools accredited by that body if a school that engages in criminal activities at the highest level gets to maintain its accreditation? What does it mean for prospective students looking at schools to choose. What then would other schools have to do to lose their accreditation in the future.

I understand PSU is a long standing, and very popular institution with which many people identify. That should not exempt it from punishment for wrongdoing, just as it doesn't mean people who went their and earned degrees are diminished in any way by this scandal.
 
2012-08-14 09:23:35 AM

liam76: I am all for putting the full force of the law and any accrediting group for higher education, academics, etc against any individual who had a hand on covering this up but any action that punished the 10's of thousands of people who knew nothing about this, had no hand in it, and won't even hurt the people responsible is worse than pointless.


According to this thread, none of those people matter, because revenge.
 
2012-08-14 09:25:05 AM

Aarontology: I'm all for killing their football program, but this is farking insane.


Oh, right, because it's all football's fault that the president gave the guy powers. And it's so unique a situation and every other school would get killed if they enabled a pedophile to operate for years within their midst.

We'll ignore the econ professor who was linked to earlier at UPenn who was known as a child rapist for years and no one knows about. It's because the econ program was too strong! Damn economics-loving America!

It's ridiculous to punish the individuals involved and not the whole school when it's a professor, but when its an ex-football coach, well, sh*t, it's all football's fault and football has to take all the punishment!
 
2012-08-14 09:25:31 AM

greentea1985: If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.


True enough, but despite my calls for actually removing the football program, I have yet to see any credible evidence that this actually occurred and was not ginned up by the same folks who think Elvis is still alive, Bigfoot is real, and Global Warming isn't happening.
 
2012-08-14 09:26:46 AM

Kyro: The Muthaship: I'd say the issue of potentially revoking their accreditation has to do with the gross misfeasance and malfeasance perpetrated by the administration of the school in handling this scandal.

99% of the people that will be hurt by removing their accreditation are not administration. You're talking about a school that's got close to 100,000 students and 10,000 employees. You're supporting costing thousands of people their degrees and their jobs(in a fairly condensed area, tough luck local economy), just to nail a handful of individuals? Why are you scratching an itch with a bomb?


So in your mind, it doesn't matter if an institution agreed to certain standards to get accredited, those standards can simply be ignored because actually enforcing them will negatively impact members of the institution.
 
2012-08-14 09:27:05 AM
I see a ton of overreaction and overstatement here. This wasn't even a threat, it was a warning. And yeah, any place where you can get away with something like the Sandusky thing for years should result in regular punitive reporting on your leadership structure to ensure that your university isn't structurally flawed and is able to manage itself. They DO need to have reasonable measures to, for instance, not just give people grades for nothing.

Also, if Penn State goes under tomorrow, that means nothing to the diplomas alumni hold. Maybe their reputation goes down a little. Then again, I got a diploma from a crap school and no one ever asks me about it beyond "Do you have a BS? Great!" I have eclipsed my credential by actually doing my job with proficiency and flashes of brilliance since I graduated so no one really cares.

\Overstatements about something that is over blown.

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\\\Smells like Derp-tory!
 
2012-08-14 09:28:53 AM

Super_pope: Its like advocating the addition of a really big fine to the penalties for murder. Maybe they won't murder if they know there'll be a financial risk!


Or saying "In addition to you, we'll execute your whole family if you are found guilty of murder." Because that's going to be effective.
 
2012-08-14 09:30:13 AM
How many of you RTFA instead of just posting some gut emotional reaction based on the headline? I guess this is Fark, so I shouldn't be surprised.

TFA: The commission said in an Aug. 8 notice that Penn State remains accredited while "on warning" but it wants a monitoring report submitted by the end of next month detailing steps taken to ensure full compliance with governmental requirements, that the university's mission is being carried out, that the commission will be fully informed and that Penn State is complying with standards on leadership and governance as well as integrity.

The commission also wants the report to address the university's ability to bear financial obligations stemming from "the investigation and related settlements, etc." It said "a small team visit" will be made, a standard practice "to verify institutional status and progress."

. . .

"Middle States is focusing on governance, integrity, and financial issues related to information in the Freeh report and other items related to our current situation."

Bowen said the body doesn't issue a warning unless it believes that an institution can make improvements and remain in compliance, and "this is certainly true for Penn State.


Calm the fark down, people. They probably won't lose their accreditation.
 
2012-08-14 09:30:41 AM
Since trying to strip them of something that can't really be stripped (their athletic record) isn't working, they try to find something that will work(the academic accreditation). It won't work.

Good to see that I've been proven right that no amount of "justice" will be enough for the few. It'll be sweet, sweet justice to see Penn State's appeal to go through successfully, undo the penalties that aren't really working, and thwart those who want scorched earth.
 
2012-08-14 09:30:48 AM

The Muthaship: I understand PSU is a long standing, and very popular institution with which many people identify. That should not exempt it from punishment for wrongdoing, just as it doesn't mean people who went their and earned degrees are diminished in any way by this scandal.


Y'know, I was in the middle of typing out a long explanation of why you're being shortsighted, but it occurs to me that you're just an idiot and not worth the time to even type these few lines.
 
2012-08-14 09:31:43 AM

IAmRight: It's ridiculous to punish the individuals involved and not the whole school when it's a professor, but when its an ex-football coach, well, sh*t, it's all football's fault and football has to take all the punishment!


The econ department in conjunction with senior administrative officials didn't cover up the crimes for over a decade in order to preserve the reputation, and more importantly, the income of the department, nor did those crimes happen in the econ department with the full knowledge of the administration. That's what the difference is, and it's a pretty f*cking big difference.

One was one sick fark. The other was one sick fark being enabled and aided by other sick farks to protect a program.
 
2012-08-14 09:32:40 AM

The Muthaship: Whoever wants to?


Nobody. Scholarships will run dry, student loans will vanish. You're going to run the school solely off students with enough cash to pay tuition, but not enough sense to avoid a school whose degrees aren't worth the paper they're printed on? It'll dry up their income almost immediately. The maintenance on the buildings alone will exceed their funding. You'll bankrupt the school frighteningly fast.

Meanwhile, the 40,000 students that graduated last year now have a degree that's poison on their resume. Who the hell is going to higher a student from a non-accredited university?

And all this just so we can make sure that the administration(who were almost all replaced) and the perpetrator(who is already in prison) are properly punished?
 
2012-08-14 09:32:58 AM

kim jong-un: You don't understand how college works do you? What school do you transfer to? Do they honor your credits? Do you keep your scholarships? Did you not develop a cadre of students in your field to study with? What about your research? Is the new school even within 300 miles?

The entire concept of academic vengeance with regard to this is the stupidest thing I've heard of in a long time and I just came from the politics tab.



THIS.

Logic, reason, and justice have no meaning with Penn State's rabid critics. They just want scorched earth.
 
2012-08-14 09:33:08 AM
No, just no.

It is one thing to nuke the fark out of the football program as an object lesson to the rest of the world that "This is what happens to your precious little armored wankball program when your D-Coord rapes kids and you fail to report."

Nuking the academic side is just plain lazy. PSU has done a lot to expand and provide health services to the mid state, they've done a lot to become a fairly good school in PA and they are the the best the state has in terms of mass public education (not that Pitt is bad, but PSU can support a larger student body). On the academic side you determine who was in on the coverup and the pedo ring. You take both those groups and you throw them in jail cells for at least a couple of decades. You have the DoE take control of the school (or at least the appointment of senior academic admins) for a time period, and you move forward from there. If the BoT has an issue with that you tell them to shut the fark up since they were clearly incapable of running a clean school.

At the end of the day if the BoT decides to go down in flames, then yes I guess you have to strip accreditation, but assuming the BoT is willing to accept DoE management of the school for a time period, I see no reason to remove the accreditation. Simply nuking PSU though farks over a lot of people who depend on its health care services (the medical faculty is gone the minute accreditation is gone, so a lot of people lose the specialist they were seeing) and of course the students/degree holders. The medical and academic arms of PSU are actually legit public goods. You don't go rip up the Interstate System or something like that just because it turns out a bunch of the engineers on it were child rapists, you purge the company and move forward.
 
2012-08-14 09:33:20 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Kyro: The Muthaship: I'd say the issue of potentially revoking their accreditation has to do with the gross misfeasance and malfeasance perpetrated by the administration of the school in handling this scandal.

99% of the people that will be hurt by removing their accreditation are not administration. You're talking about a school that's got close to 100,000 students and 10,000 employees. You're supporting costing thousands of people their degrees and their jobs(in a fairly condensed area, tough luck local economy), just to nail a handful of individuals? Why are you scratching an itch with a bomb?

So in your mind, it doesn't matter if an institution agreed to certain standards to get accredited, those standards can simply be ignored because actually enforcing them will negatively impact members of the institution.


If their accreditation was removed because they fail to meet the requirements of accreditation, that's different from "One of their old coaches is a pedophile, so we need to remove their accreditation" which seems to be what most of the people who didn't read the article seem to think is happening.
 
2012-08-14 09:34:27 AM

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: Y'know, I was in the middle of typing out a long explanation of why you're being shortsighted, but it occurs to me that you're just an idiot and not worth the time to even type these few lines.


It's okay. I doubt there would've been anything new in it.

/I don't deny being an idiot.
//but, do you how do you think this board would look if they didn't at least act concerned about what went down at PSU?
 
2012-08-14 09:35:12 AM

HotWingConspiracy: So in your mind, it doesn't matter if an institution agreed to certain standards to get accredited, those standards can simply be ignored because actually enforcing them will negatively impact members of the institution.


I think that holding tens of thousands of people's livelihoods hostage over the administrative policy that was applied(or not applied) to one man is retarded. Punish the individuals involved, not the entire goddamn institution.
 
2012-08-14 09:36:50 AM

velvet_fog: Calm the fark down, people. They probably won't lose their accreditation.


My Boobies was directed more at the people in the thread who actually like the idea. I'd say overall I agree with you. A couple members of the BoT are being troublesome, like the ones who want to go sue the NCAA. This seems like a shot the bow of those guys, kind of a "Why don't you shut up and stop tempting the dynamite monkey that is the Clery Act armed DoE."

Unless the nutcases take control of the BoT and decide to fight to the bitter end, then yeah PSU gets slapped around a little, some DoE monitoring, and things more forward.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:14 AM
Burn. It. To. The. Ground.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:38 AM

Kyro: And all this just so we can make sure that the administration(who were almost all replaced) and the perpetrator(who is already in prison) are properly punished?


As has been stated, if PSU can make improvements in their management, and show that they have rooted out the problem individuals, they are in no real danger of losing it. But, if the Middle States Commission on Higher Education didn't even look at this, they'd lose their credibility.

And if they find that things are going forward the way they were under the past administration, then they should strip PSU of their accreditation.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:50 AM

Kyro: I think that holding tens of thousands of people's livelihoods hostage over the administrative policy that was applied(or not applied) to one man is retarded. Punish the individuals involved, not the entire goddamn institution.


If that was the case, the prosecutions would be enough.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:52 AM

Aarontology: The econ department in conjunction with senior administrative officials didn't cover up the crimes for over a decade in order to preserve the reputation, and more importantly, the income of the department, nor did those crimes happen in the econ department with the full knowledge of the administration.


"In 1993, Ward had been the subject of a sting at his Ardmore mansion, where several teenage boys lived with him, and he was accused of molesting a 13-year-old there as often as 100 times. But after two highly publicized trials, he was sentenced to just five years of probation, during which time he continued to teach at Wharton and to travel - on Penn's dime - to Thailand and other hot spots where the touch of a young boy could be had for a price."

Naw, they just knew about this and continued to employ him and continued to watch him work with at-risk kids for years, paying for him to go to Thailand and "work with" youth there. But naw, there's nothing reprehensible about their actions. Totally not the same, situations where the institution knew about a faculty member's pedophilia thanks to it being reported to police, the faculty member using connections to keep himself out of jail, and the university continuing to employ the person and pay for them to have sex with minors.
 
2012-08-14 09:38:24 AM

The Muthaship: /I don't deny being an idiot.


Well I'm glad we got that cleared up.

The Muthaship: //but, do you how do you think this board would look if they didn't at least act concerned about what went down at PSU?


Absolutely. But there's more ways to look concerned. Your boss doesn't have to come down and threaten the secretary with a stapler to the throat just to get someone to clear a paper jam.
 
2012-08-14 09:39:33 AM

ha-ha-guy: It is one thing to nuke the fark out of the football program as an object lesson to the rest of the world that "This is what happens to your precious little armored wankball program when your D-Coord rapes kids and you fail to report."

Nuking the academic side is just plain lazy.


It's not lazy to be buttmad at football for it, though.
 
2012-08-14 09:39:43 AM

fatalvenom: Burn. It. To. The. Ground.


Only if you mean that you want to burn all the rabid "critics" - people who have been proven by things like this to not accept anything - to the ground.
 
2012-08-14 09:39:45 AM

Kyro: Your boss doesn't have to come down and threaten the secretary with a stapler to the throat just to get someone to clear a paper jam.


It sounds like the "warning" is their lowest level of action. And that's all they did.
 
2012-08-14 09:40:46 AM

liam76: spentmiles: I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas. Those poor kids were duped into attending PSU by predatory admissions officers

What is Romney's stance on this?


Wide.
 
2012-08-14 09:41:01 AM
WHAT"S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!? YOU FOOTBALL WORSHIPPING JOE PATERNO APOLOGISTS!!!
CHILDREN WERE ABUSED!!!
THE ENTIRE UNIVERSITY NEEDS TO BE CLOSED AND EVERY SINGLE MAN, WOMAN AND CHILD ARRESTED AND JAILED FOR LIFE!!!!
 
2012-08-14 09:41:29 AM

Kyro: HotWingConspiracy: So in your mind, it doesn't matter if an institution agreed to certain standards to get accredited, those standards can simply be ignored because actually enforcing them will negatively impact members of the institution.

I think that holding tens of thousands of people's livelihoods hostage over the administrative policy that was applied(or not applied) to one man is retarded. Punish the individuals involved, not the entire goddamn institution.


Did you read the article? The accreditation board is concerned with Penn State not being able to pay their bills. A school losing accreditation because it can't meet financial obligations isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Do you think Penn State should be exempt from the rules because their financial troubles come from legal problems?
 
2012-08-14 09:41:50 AM

HaywoodJablonski: Next week's article: Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?


No, but if you think they should, you shouldn't have any hand in PSU's fate.
 
2012-08-14 09:44:01 AM

Alpha Sierra Foxtrot: uberaverage: Jerry Sandusky was married and running a childrens' charity. And the only people who were expected to know he was abusing kids were employeed by Penn St.?

Obviously. No one should be held accountable except PSU.

I believe that's called a "red herring?"


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2012-08-14 09:44:26 AM

Carth: Did you read the article? The accreditation board is concerned with Penn State not being able to pay their bills. A school losing accreditation because it can't meet financial obligations isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Do you think Penn State should be exempt from the rules because their financial troubles come from legal problems?


Oh please. Don't be so dense. This is entirely the MSC rattling its sabre so they don't get viewed as looking the other way on the matter as Paterno did. They're covering their own asses by threatening to burn the whole building down.
 
2012-08-14 09:44:38 AM

Aarontology: The econ department in conjunction with senior administrative officials didn't cover up the crimes for over a decade in order to preserve the reputation, and more importantly, the income of the department, nor did those crimes happen in the econ department with the full knowledge of the administration. That's what the difference is, and it's a pretty f*cking big difference.


I was under the impressiont he Econ dept knew about the allegations and continued to fund his travel to Thailand for a few years.

So yeah, I don't see any real difference.
 
2012-08-14 09:45:57 AM

Kyro: Carth: Did you read the article? The accreditation board is concerned with Penn State not being able to pay their bills. A school losing accreditation because it can't meet financial obligations isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Do you think Penn State should be exempt from the rules because their financial troubles come from legal problems?

Oh please. Don't be so dense. This is entirely the MSC rattling its sabre so they don't get viewed as looking the other way on the matter as Paterno did. They're covering their own asses by threatening to burn the whole building down.


You didn't answer the question. If Penn State can't cover their financial obligations should they be treated like other schools and lose their accreditation?
 
2012-08-14 09:46:15 AM
OK, see, THIS is going too far.

There's a cancer in that school that needs to be addressed, but you do that by excising the tumor, not shooting the patient in the back of the head. The NCAA death penalty -or, failing that, a government-issued order to shut down the football program for a few years- would be adequate to solve the cultural problem that led to this mess. Killing the school is completely unnecessary.
 
2012-08-14 09:49:31 AM

IAmRight: Naw, they just knew about this and continued to employ him and continued to watch him work with at-risk kids for years, paying for him to go to Thailand and "work with" youth there. But naw, there's nothing reprehensible about their actions. Totally not the same, situations where the institution knew about a faculty member's pedophilia thanks to it being reported to police, the faculty member using connections to keep himself out of jail, and the university continuing to employ the person and pay for them to have sex with minors.


Notice that he was arrested and brought to trial and punished and how he wasn't protected for fourteen years by the administration who had full knowledge of his crimes in order to protect the reputation and revenues of the econ department? Whereas Sandusky was raping children on Penn State property with the full knowledge of JoePa and other administrative officials who covered it up for fourteen years to protect the program

The two situations are not analogous.
 
2012-08-14 09:49:48 AM

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


NAMBLA purchases it as a national shtine.
 
2012-08-14 09:50:15 AM

Millennium: The NCAA death penalty -or, failing that, a government-issued order to shut down the football program for a few years- would be adequate to solve the cultural problem that led to this mess.


How does shutting down the football program address a dishonest and criminal administration?

I understand those named individuals have been removed, but the environment that spawned it is still there. Aren't they obliged to make sure the changes have the desired effect?
 
2012-08-14 09:50:25 AM

liam76: I was under the impressiont he Econ dept knew about the allegations and continued to fund his travel to Thailand for a few years.


There wasn't the institutional criminal cover up though, that's the difference.
 
2012-08-14 09:52:41 AM

Kyro: The Muthaship: Punishing an institution for wrongdoing is, itself, a wrong now?

You're not punishing the institution. You're punishing every current and recent employee, as well as every alumni that earned that school's degree.

You want to punish the entire administration? Remove the administration. Hold THEM accountable. Why the fark should the janitor that's been there 30 years be punished? Why should all of Penn State's students be punished for what Sandusky and some of the school's officials pulled?

I don't recall anyone wanting to punish USC for O.J.


www.climategate.com
...until it is time to share any blame.
 
2012-08-14 09:53:42 AM
Penn State raised 7 million dollars last year for children with cancer, they raise a similar amount of money every year.

Research is carried out there to create novel methods of treating all manner of diseases.

Example : http://live.psu.edu/story/55260

They also do research for renewable energy, fundamental science, space exploration.

I think there ought to be some punishment for what Sandusky did, but consider how many people, and which people, are really being punished if the school is shut down.
 
2012-08-14 09:54:57 AM

Carth: You didn't answer the question. If Penn State can't cover their financial obligations should they be treated like other schools and lose their accreditation?


Could someone let me know if Carth is a known troll? I'm not terribly active on the main page, but I'm having trouble believing somebody would be this intentionally misdirecting.

But I'll read the article to you anyway.

The commission said in an Aug. 8 notice that Penn State remains accredited while "on warning" but it wants a monitoring report submitted by the end of next month detailing steps taken to ensure full compliance with governmental requirements, that the university's mission is being carried out, that the commission will be fully informed and that Penn State is complying with standards on leadership and governance as well as integrity.

The commission also wants the report to address the university's ability to bear financial obligations stemming from "the investigation and related settlements, etc." It said "a small team visit" will be made, a standard practice "to verify institutional status and progress."


So rather than focusing on what the comission actually demanded an answer on, you're harping on their secondary point that was so critical they actually used "etc" in it?

But to answer your intentionally leading question: no, Penn State should not be immune to their financial obligations. However, I would task you to find me a university that's been in dire financial straights(easy) that's lost its accreditation(not quite as easy).
 
2012-08-14 09:56:05 AM

Carth: Kyro: Carth: Did you read the article? The accreditation board is concerned with Penn State not being able to pay their bills. A school losing accreditation because it can't meet financial obligations isn't exactly a new phenomenon. Do you think Penn State should be exempt from the rules because their financial troubles come from legal problems?

Oh please. Don't be so dense. This is entirely the MSC rattling its sabre so they don't get viewed as looking the other way on the matter as Paterno did. They're covering their own asses by threatening to burn the whole building down.

You didn't answer the question. If Penn State can't cover their financial obligations should they be treated like other schools and lose their accreditation?


Never happen, the state of PA will prop up their flagship University to the tune of a couple billion if needed. The CiC will support them and grant direct to them to keep in decent fiscal health. PSU doesn't operate in a vacuum here.
 
2012-08-14 09:56:16 AM

Accreditation is an academic thing. Many times, it is living up to a standard and proving that, academically, you are successfully doing what you claim to be doing, which is educating.

As horrible as the recent PSU situation is, it does NOT warrant losing accreditation.

Based on recently discovered events, if ANY school deserves to lose accreditation, it's this one:

eaglgymnastics.com


Short story of UNC:
Sham classes were offered to athletes who received high grades on transcripts, raising their grades so they could remain eligible.
What do I mean by sham? The classes didn't have assignments, and didn't even MEET.

This means that UNC was actually playing ineligible players, but the NCAA so far hasn't said anything about the case, and most likely won't. The case will just be quickly forgotten, and the knee-jerk reactionists and media can continue their cry for PSU to be burned down.
 
2012-08-14 09:56:28 AM

Aarontology: IAmRight: Naw, they just knew about this and continued to employ him and continued to watch him work with at-risk kids for years, paying for him to go to Thailand and "work with" youth there. But naw, there's nothing reprehensible about their actions. Totally not the same, situations where the institution knew about a faculty member's pedophilia thanks to it being reported to police, the faculty member using connections to keep himself out of jail, and the university continuing to employ the person and pay for them to have sex with minors.

Notice that he was arrested and brought to trial and punished and how he wasn't protected for fourteen years by the administration who had full knowledge of his crimes in order to protect the reputation and revenues of the econ department? Whereas Sandusky was raping children on Penn State property with the full knowledge of JoePa and other administrative officials who covered it up for fourteen years to protect the program

The two situations are not analogous.


Let me be up front about this. I am fine with crucifying the PSU admins who had a hand in this, but if you don't see the similiarities between PSU and a school that allows someone who has been convicted of inapropriate relations with kids to go to Thailand on their dime with no supervision, you r head is buried it he sand.

Aarontology: There wasn't the institutional criminal cover up though, that's the difference


Sending a guy to a country where his crime is commonplace is a cover-up.
 
2012-08-14 09:57:10 AM

Pochas: Penn State raised 7 million dollars last year for children with cancer, they raise a similar amount of money every year.

Research is carried out there to create novel methods of treating all manner of diseases.

Example : http://live.psu.edu/story/55260

They also do research for renewable energy, fundamental science, space exploration.

I think there ought to be some punishment for what Sandusky did, but consider how many people, and which people, are really being punished if the school is shut down.


Yes Billy, that's right. We'll cure your cancer right after we brutally rape you. Ice cream?
 
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