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(Huffington Post)   Old and busted: stripping Penn State of football wins. The new hotness: stripping Penn State of its academic accreditation   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 283
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2012-08-14 08:15:07 AM  

Kyro: One asshole and his prick friends cover up some insidious actions, and that's an excuse to punish tens of thousands of innocent staff and alumni that were just as disgusted and angry as the rest of the country?

Stop being stupid.


A few dozen people at Enron committed crimes and 20,000 people lost their jobs and shareholders lost over 70 billion dollars. The world isn't always fair.
 
2012-08-14 08:15:25 AM  

Nick Nostril: I guess I don't get the connection between ACADEMIC accreditation and felonies committed by member(s) of the football team's staff. I get it that the school's high command was in on the kiddy diddling cover up, but they should all be charged, tried, and if convicted, sent up the creek, not have the school's accreditation taken away.

If it's just a matter of punishing the school, I think the stigma will do a good job of that.


Jo Pa died before he could get punished. We need to punish everyone else to make up for it. We should probably punish all Division 1 schools with football programs honestly. Its the culture that is to blame you see. This obviously happens at every school in the country. If you disagree with me you are part of the problem and should probably go to jail too, because you just dont get it. Those childrens lives were ruined. So should everyone elses. Its only fair.
 
2012-08-14 08:15:49 AM  
As a Penn State Grad I am ashamed of what the Football staff did. But to take away the value of MY diploma by taking away the school's accrediation is too much. I know I sound selfish but I think of all the alumni when I say this. Even though i have nothing to do with the football staff or program (aside from attending all but 2 games during my 4 years 91-95) I feel true remorse about what happened to the victims of these crimes. I truely weep for them Punish those that did the crimes and those that covered it up. Please do not punish me or the thousands of others who attended The Pennsylvania State University.
 
2012-08-14 08:15:51 AM  

SpectroBoy: If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.


You think other schools still think covering up shiat like this is a good idea? And the only way to make them think otherwise is to nuke the degrees of every other student that ever went there?
 
2012-08-14 08:16:23 AM  

Kyro: thatboyoverthere: Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.

How about the engineering student that went to Penn State, was completely disinterested in football and is now job searching with a toxic degree? How is this at all that student's fault?


I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas. Those poor kids were duped into attending PSU by predatory admissions officers.
 
2012-08-14 08:17:36 AM  

Kyro: thatboyoverthere: Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.

How about the engineering student that went to Penn State, was completely disinterested in football and is now job searching with a toxic degree?


Tell him to get a job at Penn State.
 
2012-08-14 08:18:41 AM  

Carth: A few dozen people at Enron committed crimes and 20,000 people lost their jobs and shareholders lost over 70 billion dollars. The world isn't always fair.


Ah.. so that's justification to intentionally punish thousands of others who had nothing to do with it.

Your punishment for the US's role in the Trail of Tears is pending. Sorry. The world isn't always fair.
 
2012-08-14 08:20:33 AM  
spentmiles:

I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas.

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com

8/10
 
2012-08-14 08:20:41 AM  
Well, this will finally unrape those children.
 
2012-08-14 08:21:07 AM  
So now they are going to punish EVERY Penn State student and alumni.

Good luck getting a job recent Penn State alumns. You arent getting shiat if your school is no longer accredited.

/what's next? The entire state of Pennsylvania?
 
2012-08-14 08:21:08 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: liam76:

PSU actually treated their player mor elike regular students than most big footballs schools.

The Kool-Aid ... stop drinking it


From your link.

Penn State football has long been regarded as an example of a well-run program that graduates an above-average percentage of its players while operating within the rules and winning on the field.

One person made the claim about their special treatment (which even if it is true doesn't mean they aren't better than most other big football schools) but the NCAA has never had any complaints against PSU for special treatment of players. Also the only facts in your article are the 35 Penn State players faced internal discipline or criminal charges between 2003-09. 35/5 years is 7 infractions a year. With a team that numbers around what 100, 125, 7 infractions a year doesn't seem like a lot to me.
 
2012-08-14 08:23:10 AM  

Kyro: Carth: A few dozen people at Enron committed crimes and 20,000 people lost their jobs and shareholders lost over 70 billion dollars. The world isn't always fair.

Ah.. so that's justification to intentionally punish thousands of others who had nothing to do with it.

Your punishment for the US's role in the Trail of Tears is pending. Sorry. The world isn't always fair.


Hindsight is 20/20. People get punished for things completely out of their control every day. I feel bad for the innocent PSU grads if this does actually happen, but they won't be the first or last collateral damage of a major incident.
 
2012-08-14 08:23:14 AM  
i1247.photobucket.com


This Penn State BS is tired and boring......

/Best pic to come out of all of this, she is awaiting the seed....
 
2012-08-14 08:26:34 AM  

spentmiles: I heard on NPR yesterday that Obama is putting together a plan to buy back all of those toxic degrees and replace them with Harvard diplomas. Those poor kids were duped into attending PSU by predatory admissions officers


What is Romney's stance on this?
 
2012-08-14 08:27:50 AM  
i1094.photobucket.com

No reason, I just felt like this was somehow relevant....
 
2012-08-14 08:29:13 AM  

MAYORBOB: Animatronik: Penn State is a world class university, which has nothing to do with Paterno or the administrators who looked the other way.

They shouldnt destroy the university over this, just make institute reforms.

In which world?


The same one that you and I reside in. Ranked 51st in the world according to this list Link
 
2012-08-14 08:29:27 AM  
Won't somebody think of the students??? Bwhahahahahahahahaaaa!!!



The teachers allowed sub par students (athletes to Penn State graduates) to pass.
This action sanctioned and demanded by the school administration.
When a tower of shiat collapses, you gonna get slimed.
This school is not the only one that needs a huge enema.
If you are a real student....should have been smart enough to chose another school.......
Papa Joe would never....yea and the police never lie....
 
2012-08-14 08:32:59 AM  

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


Casino resort.
 
2012-08-14 08:33:10 AM  

domino324: People get punished for things completely out of their control every day. I feel bad for the innocent PSU grads if this does actually happen, but they won't be the first or last collateral damage of a major incident.


The difference is this is a conscious decision. It's not like their accreditation is lost in a brush fire. We're talking about an intentional move to punish thousands of people over a weak connection to a small group of slimeball individuals.

The fact that any of you are okay with this even being considered is abhorrent.

Y'know.. Sandusky was involved with football games with quite a few other teams, who made no attempt to stop him. We had better just remove the accreditation of all NCAA schools. Sorry, students of those schools. You're too closely connected with Sandusky. You should have done something to stop him.
 
2012-08-14 08:33:24 AM  
liam76:

One person made the claim about their special treatment

Vicky Triponey, who resigned her post as the university's standards and conduct officer in 2007

/ not just one random person
// I think everyone here (yourself excluded) would agree that Penn State football was pretty damn good at hiding things
/// that chicken is enjoying your cawk
 
2012-08-14 08:36:14 AM  

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


Tune in for the new hotness a few months from now: PENN STATE NEVER EXISTED.

/complete with faculty and alumni getting "disappeared"
//State College, PA will be renamed No-Man's-Land
 
2012-08-14 08:37:51 AM  
Spanier and Corbett are still laughing at your outrage.
 
2012-08-14 08:40:40 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Next week's article: Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?


Of course. Don't forget anyone who resided in the state of Pennsylvania for any time from the period 1998-2009. Or anyone who has ever watched Penn State play on tv. If you disagree, you are a child molester sympathizer.
 
2012-08-14 08:42:50 AM  
I still vote for mass genocide against everyone who has ever set foot in the town. Glad to see the rest of you finally coming around.
 
2012-08-14 08:42:58 AM  
I don't buy the my diploma from PSU is now "toxic". If a resume came across my desk and the person graduated from PSU, my opinion of that individual wouldn't change. At all. Unless the name on the resume was Sandusky. But we're not hiring football coaches or pedos.
 
2012-08-14 08:43:08 AM  
You can't punish our football team, innocent people may be harmed!

You can't punish our institution, innocent people may be harmed!

/innocent people were harmed
//that's why both are being punished
 
2012-08-14 08:44:14 AM  
It seems to me that a strong, credible threat of possibly losing accreditation (and thereby destroying the school) will serve as a strong incentive to PSU administration and other university admins to get their houses in order.

Losing it shouldn't just be a punishment for wrongdoing, it should be a rather big stick used to beat some sense into the school to make them ensure it NEVER happens again.
 
2012-08-14 08:45:16 AM  
The thread: Innocent students are being punished because of the football program!

The article: The Sandusky investigation revealed that the school administration is dysfunctional and they need to get it together or lose accreditation. It does not reflect on the quality of education the student are receiving.
 
2012-08-14 08:47:23 AM  

The Muthaship: You can't punish our football team, innocent people may be harmed!

You can't punish our institution, innocent people may be harmed!

/innocent people were harmed
//that's why both are being punished


Yeah. Everyone knows two wrongs make JUSTICE.
 
2012-08-14 08:48:08 AM  

spentmiles: Revoking Penn State's entire academic accreditation ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did the Computer Science Department train Sandusky to create Excel spreadsheets for tracking vulnerable children? Did the English Department teach him to write loving sonnets and whisper them sweetly to young boys as he twirled his fingers in their hair? Did the psychology department tutor him in manipulation techniques? No, no, and no. Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?

As outlined in the Freech report, the low level employees of the athletic department were responsible for recruiting young boys by way of various football camps. The underlings, like McQueary, got the scraps while the choice pickings were sent up the line to Sandusky. Sandusky, along with those of similar rank, then tested the boys with various forms of sexual abuse. The cream of the crop -- the 1-2% out of the hundreds of applicants -- were then sent up to Paterno who basically wrote the book on sodomy. When Paterno was done with the kid, he'd have sex with him one last time while slitting his throat. The janitors of the athletic department would then discard the bodies in the incinerators. As Freech pointed out, this system went on for decades. It ran so smoothly that no one detected a thing. It wasn't until McQueary sent a boy with herpes up the chain that Sandusky got angry and threatened to fire him. McQueary, whose wife was battling ovarian cancer at the time, couldn't afford to lose his medical benefits, so he blew the proverbial whistle.

Yet even with all of those facts, the NCAA just slapped their wrists and sent them to the corner for a little while. If I was a Penn State student, I would dig up Paterno myself and defile his corpse with an ax handle. As to why Sandusky is still alive testifies to the far reach of college football. I'm sure he's promising scholarships to every inmate ...


trololol
 
2012-08-14 08:48:28 AM  

Kyro: Yeah. Everyone knows two wrongs make JUSTICE.


Punishing an institution for wrongdoing is, itself, a wrong now?
 
2012-08-14 08:53:00 AM  
What do football victories and academic accreditation have to do with child molesting? Why punish the school and its students for the actions of a few employees and an ex-employee that had nothing to do with the school itself? Unless the primary purpose of the institution became intentionally recruiting victims for Sandusky it makes no sense at all.

The football program I couldn't care less about, but a school should only lose academic accreditation because it fails to properly teach.
 
2012-08-14 08:56:05 AM  

The Muthaship: Punishing an institution for wrongdoing is, itself, a wrong now?


You're not punishing the institution. You're punishing every current and recent employee, as well as every alumni that earned that school's degree.

You want to punish the entire administration? Remove the administration. Hold THEM accountable. Why the fark should the janitor that's been there 30 years be punished? Why should all of Penn State's students be punished for what Sandusky and some of the school's officials pulled?

I don't recall anyone wanting to punish USC for O.J.
 
2012-08-14 08:57:29 AM  

SpectroBoy: Rincewind53: I'm actually really against that. Think how many random non-football-loving Penn State alumni and students there now who would legitimately be seriously hurt by this.

True.

But think of this. If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.

I think there is a system-wide problem in looking the other way for sports teams in schools and going nuclear on Penn State would certainly help clean up that shiat.

And the current students can simply transfer. That's an inconvenience at most.


You don't understand how college works do you? What school do you transfer to? Do they honor your credits? Do you keep your scholarships? Did you not develop a cadre of students in your field to study with? What about your research? Is the new school even within 300 miles?

The entire concept of academic vengeance with regard to this is the stupidest thing I've heard of in a long time and I just came from the politics tab.
 
2012-08-14 09:02:39 AM  

Kyro: I don't recall anyone wanting to punish USC for O.J.


Did the administration, up to and including the president of the university take active steps to cover up O.J.'s crime? Perhaps over a course of years? I'd say the issue of potentially revoking their accreditation has to do with the gross misfeasance and malfeasance perpetrated by the administration of the school in handling this scandal. They aren't being punished for what Sandusky did, they are being punished for what they did and didn't do If they behaved this way in this instance, there are likely other examples of their ineptitude. My guess is, having a crooked administration lead a school that is accredited reflects badly on the Middle States Commission on Higher Education. I doubt they like that.
 
2012-08-14 09:04:36 AM  

SweetDickens: If you are a real student....should have been smart enough to chose another school.......


No kidding! All REAL students have psychic powers to know what the administrators are up to behind closed doors. Anyone who thinks the ENTIRE CAMPUS didn't know what was going on is a fool. Obviously, every single person on campus was is on it. They probably had weekly pedo parties and invited the entire town. Death to everyone in Pennsylvania, I say. It's the only way.
 
2012-08-14 09:06:06 AM  
I'm all for killing their football program, but this is farking insane.

This is actually punishing innocent students and faculty, unlike not being able to play in the post season or taking down a statue.
 
2012-08-14 09:07:56 AM  
So now we've gone from cheering about hurting a few hundred people associated with the football program who had nothing to do with the coverup to talking about hurting tens of thousands of past and current students, business owners and residents.

But yea, this hasn't gone way beyond punishing administrative misconduct by a half dozen people and turned almost exclusively into a hate-a-thon by jerkasses gleefully leveraging child rape to get their jollies out of watching a rival school suffer during the lead-in to football season. Nope. Not at all. It's perfectly reasonable to destroy an entire economy and the educations of thousands of people who had nothing to do with it because a dead football coach and three administrators covered up a crime. Yep. Makes perfect sense.
 
2012-08-14 09:08:15 AM  
The NCAA's weak half-measure of a punishment was the crescendo of this whole thing in the public's eyes. They consider this over; any more punishment will be seen as cruel. It's infuriating to think about, really, so I do my best not to consider the fact that not even institutionalized child rape is enough to bring about real change at a university. That's not what the people want, they want it all to be over now. This football season the healing will begin, as if PSU was itself somehow grievously harmed.
 
2012-08-14 09:08:31 AM  
Rhythmic slapping. You would think that would put everything in perspective. The people of this fine college town should stick a plunger up their ass and rhythmically jam it in and out several hundred times. I don't think they are exhibiting the right level of empathy yet.
 
2012-08-14 09:11:01 AM  

The Muthaship: I'd say the issue of potentially revoking their accreditation has to do with the gross misfeasance and malfeasance perpetrated by the administration of the school in handling this scandal.


99% of the people that will be hurt by removing their accreditation are not administration. You're talking about a school that's got close to 100,000 students and 10,000 employees. You're supporting costing thousands of people their degrees and their jobs(in a fairly condensed area, tough luck local economy), just to nail a handful of individuals? Why are you scratching an itch with a bomb?
 
2012-08-14 09:14:27 AM  

veedeevadeevoodee: liam76:

One person made the claim about their special treatment

Vicky Triponey, who resigned her post as the university's standards and conduct officer in 2007

/ not just one random person


I never said "random" but it was one person, who never made a peep until there was blood in the water.
 
2012-08-14 09:15:46 AM  

DigitalSorceress: Losing it shouldn't just be a punishment for wrongdoing, it should be a rather big stick used to beat some sense into the school to make them ensure it NEVER happens again


If you want to prevent this from happening, you have to pass a Federal Law banning college student from participating in any non-academic activities.
 
2012-08-14 09:15:59 AM  

Kyro: You're supporting costing thousands of people their degrees and their jobs


No one loses their degree, no one necessarily loses their job. Whether or not the school loses their accreditation has no effect on their ability to run the school. It is a voluntary membership organization. They can also apply for re-accreditation later (in the unlikely event they actually lose it). Do you want colleges run by people whose SOP is covering up crimes of a very serious nature to be accredited institutions? I don't.
 
2012-08-14 09:16:47 AM  

Owangotang: The NCAA's weak half-measure of a punishment was the crescendo of this whole thing in the public's eyes. They consider this over; any more punishment will be seen as cruel. It's infuriating to think about, really, so I do my best not to consider the fact that not even institutionalized child rape is enough to bring about real change at a university. That's not what the people want, they want it all to be over now. This football season the healing will begin, as if PSU was itself somehow grievously harmed.


Or they just don't believe that a horrible act by a small group of people requires massive collateral damage to everyone in a 10 mile radius. Some of us actually realize that Hammurabi's code is antiquated and barbaric. The "crescendo" in this whole thing is when the people who committed the crimes get punished for what they did individually and go to prison.
 
2012-08-14 09:17:09 AM  

The Muthaship: Kyro: You're supporting costing thousands of people their degrees and their jobs

No one loses their degree, no one necessarily loses their job. Whether or not the school loses their accreditation has no effect on their ability to run the school. It is a voluntary membership organization. They can also apply for re-accreditation later (in the unlikely event they actually lose it). Do you want colleges run by people whose SOP is covering up crimes of a very serious nature to be accredited institutions? I don't.


Who, exactly, is going to continue going to a non-accredited university?
 
2012-08-14 09:18:56 AM  
maybe i am reading the story wrong but form what i can read here is what I think is being said/looked at.

1st. between the lawsuits about to hit Penn Stat, the lost of money form the football program, and the lost money form collage students who will now pick a new school to go to if they don't want a school with this on its records. The schools going be out a lot of money.

2nd. as the older teachers retire they may have a hard time getting new teachers who are good enough to teach to the right standards that the accreditdation place has in place to be accreditied by them.

Sounds more to me that whats going on is the accredition place wants to put a team in place to see if after the dust settles form the lawsuits and such is Penn Stat going be able to still meet their standards to be accredited.
 
2012-08-14 09:19:22 AM  

The Muthaship: No one loses their degree, no one necessarily loses their job. Whether or not the school loses their accreditation has no effect on their ability to run the school.


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2012-08-14 09:20:09 AM  
Jerry Sandusky was married and running a childrens' charity. And the only people who were expected to know he was abusing kids were employeed by Penn St.?
 
2012-08-14 09:20:49 AM  

The Muthaship: Did the administration, up to and including the president of the university take active steps to cover up O.J.'s crime? Perhaps over a course of years? I'd say the issue of potentially revoking their accreditation has to do with the gross misfeasance and malfeasance perpetrated by the administration of the school in handling this scandal. They aren't being punished for what Sandusky did, they are being punished for what they did and didn't do If they behaved this way in this instance, there are likely other examples of their ineptitude.


The "they" being punished by this is the new administration, past and current students, and current facualty. The "they" who did it were a small group of administrators that are no longer with the university.

I am all for putting the full force of the law and any accrediting group for higher education, academics, etc against any individual who had a hand on covering this up but any action that punished the 10's of thousands of people who knew nothing about this, had no hand in it, and won't even hurt the people responsible is worse than pointless.
 
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