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2012-08-14 07:21:37 AM
Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.
 
2012-08-14 07:26:31 AM
I'm pretty sure I was wondering of the students should sue because that Penn State degrees could become toxic and not worth what they paid for anymore.
Still wondering that now.
 
2012-08-14 07:29:12 AM
Shouldn't accreditation be contingent on robust procedures for dealing with academic misconduct? A system which insists that football players be exempt from all disciplinary procedures does not quite meet that requirement.
 
2012-08-14 07:30:08 AM
Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?
 
2012-08-14 07:33:16 AM
My grandfather went there. I went there. My sister and her husband went there. My nephew goes there.
I got this to say to PSU.

Well, Bye.
 
2012-08-14 07:34:10 AM
I'm actually really against that. Think how many random non-football-loving Penn State alumni and students there now who would legitimately be seriously hurt by this.
 
2012-08-14 07:35:10 AM
This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.
 
2012-08-14 07:36:19 AM
thats great, they will punish everyone but the people responsible. the people responsible will still get their pensions and negotiated retirements. the educators, support staff, students and surrounding community will be the ones to suffer. gotta love good ole murican justice. murica fark yeah!
 
2012-08-14 07:37:39 AM
And the feds are still looking in to the rumor that Sandusky was trading kid smut with a prominent booster.
 
2012-08-14 07:38:12 AM
Revoking Penn State's entire academic accreditation ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did the Computer Science Department train Sandusky to create Excel spreadsheets for tracking vulnerable children? Did the English Department teach him to write loving sonnets and whisper them sweetly to young boys as he twirled his fingers in their hair? Did the psychology department tutor him in manipulation techniques? No, no, and no. Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?

As outlined in the Freech report, the low level employees of the athletic department were responsible for recruiting young boys by way of various football camps. The underlings, like McQueary, got the scraps while the choice pickings were sent up the line to Sandusky. Sandusky, along with those of similar rank, then tested the boys with various forms of sexual abuse. The cream of the crop -- the 1-2% out of the hundreds of applicants -- were then sent up to Paterno who basically wrote the book on sodomy. When Paterno was done with the kid, he'd have sex with him one last time while slitting his throat. The janitors of the athletic department would then discard the bodies in the incinerators. As Freech pointed out, this system went on for decades. It ran so smoothly that no one detected a thing. It wasn't until McQueary sent a boy with herpes up the chain that Sandusky got angry and threatened to fire him. McQueary, whose wife was battling ovarian cancer at the time, couldn't afford to lose his medical benefits, so he blew the proverbial whistle.

Yet even with all of those facts, the NCAA just slapped their wrists and sent them to the corner for a little while. If I was a Penn State student, I would dig up Paterno myself and defile his corpse with an ax handle. As to why Sandusky is still alive testifies to the far reach of college football. I'm sure he's promising scholarships to every inmate with a hard on or a shank. He will get his in hell.

The academic departments at Penn State have their own controversies - experimenting on disabled children, sex for grades, undergrad knife fights - all of which need to be addressed, but not lumped into the Penn State Athletics Boy farking Factory.
 
2012-08-14 07:38:38 AM
After the school closes and everyone moves out, I suggest nuking the site with a tactical meteor. Make it our Tunguska. Only way to be sure.
 
2012-08-14 07:39:32 AM
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2012-08-14 07:40:50 AM

hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.


The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.
 
2012-08-14 07:41:41 AM
 
2012-08-14 07:41:45 AM

Endive Wombat: What happens with the physical school itself?


Minimum-security prison?

Not kidding... that's what I've seen happen to some (much, much smaller) defunct colleges.
 
2012-08-14 07:41:59 AM
So all those degrees in Creative Linebacking aren't going to be worth diddly squat?
 
2012-08-14 07:42:33 AM
ARTFA, it's pretty clear their primary issue is money: after PSU gets sued into oblivion, will they still be able to function as a real school? It doesn't appear to be aimed at the Sandusky incident directly.
 
2012-08-14 07:44:18 AM

greentea1985: hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.

The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.


So farking what? Do any of those major University officials run the academic programs? Does the Sandusky scandal indicate anything about the academic performance of Penn State students? Is the quality of teachers in question? No.

/not a Penn State grade or football fan
 
2012-08-14 07:45:25 AM
My problem with this is that the punishment goes back to the students instead of the school itself, or more importantly, the administration. The fine levied against Penn St.? They said it reduced the amount of scholarships available for new and continuing students. And now, removing accreditation once again only hurts the students. I think all or almost all of the upper echelon of administration should be fired or maybe even personally fined if possible. Let the president of the school have to personally pay for the penalty. I know that my alma mater was smaller than Penn State, and the Chancellor made more money than the President of the United States--I think the leader of Penn State could afford it.
 
2012-08-14 07:45:46 AM
We are... State Pen.!
 
2012-08-14 07:47:41 AM

Rincewind53: greentea1985: hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.

The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

So farking what? Do any of those major University officials run the academic programs? Does the Sandusky scandal indicate anything about the academic performance of Penn State students? Is the quality of teachers in question? No.

/not a Penn State grade or football fan


Wasn't one of the University officials the report said helped coverup child rape the president of the college?
 
2012-08-14 07:48:27 AM
It sounds like they're most worried the lawsuits are going to bankrupt the university and they want to know PSU is going to deal with that as it relates to the funding of academic programs.
 
2012-08-14 07:50:03 AM
"WE ARE"

//facepalm
 
2012-08-14 07:50:07 AM

Carth: Rincewind53: greentea1985: hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.

The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

So farking what? Do any of those major University officials run the academic programs? Does the Sandusky scandal indicate anything about the academic performance of Penn State students? Is the quality of teachers in question? No.

/not a Penn State grade or football fan

Wasn't one of the University officials the report said helped coverup child rape the president of the college?


The president of a college has very little to do with day-to-day academics, and much more to do with fundraising and long-term strategy.
 
2012-08-14 07:50:40 AM
Well just call me part of the mob that thinks they should get bent over.
 
2012-08-14 07:51:20 AM
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2012-08-14 07:51:22 AM
y u hurt

JO PA!

why?
 
2012-08-14 07:53:45 AM

spentmiles: Revoking Penn State's entire academic accreditation ranks as the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. Did the Computer Science Department train Sandusky to create Excel spreadsheets for tracking vulnerable children? Did the English Department teach him to write loving sonnets and whisper them sweetly to young boys as he twirled his fingers in their hair? Did the psychology department tutor him in manipulation techniques? No, no, and no. Why should the faculty, support staff, and students of these areas be punished for the crimes of the athletic department?

As outlined in the Freech report, the low level employees of the athletic department were responsible for recruiting young boys by way of various football camps. The underlings, like McQueary, got the scraps while the choice pickings were sent up the line to Sandusky. Sandusky, along with those of similar rank, then tested the boys with various forms of sexual abuse. The cream of the crop -- the 1-2% out of the hundreds of applicants -- were then sent up to Paterno who basically wrote the book on sodomy. When Paterno was done with the kid, he'd have sex with him one last time while slitting his throat. The janitors of the athletic department would then discard the bodies in the incinerators. As Freech pointed out, this system went on for decades. It ran so smoothly that no one detected a thing. It wasn't until McQueary sent a boy with herpes up the chain that Sandusky got angry and threatened to fire him. McQueary, whose wife was battling ovarian cancer at the time, couldn't afford to lose his medical benefits, so he blew the proverbial whistle.

Yet even with all of those facts, the NCAA just slapped their wrists and sent them to the corner for a little while. If I was a Penn State student, I would dig up Paterno myself and defile his corpse with an ax handle. As to why Sandusky is still alive testifies to the far reach of college football. I'm sure he's promising scholarships to every inmate with a hard on or ...


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2012-08-14 07:54:02 AM

Rincewind53: greentea1985: hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.

The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

So farking what? Do any of those major University officials run the academic programs? Does the Sandusky scandal indicate anything about the academic performance of Penn State students? Is the quality of teachers in question? No.

/not a Penn State grade or football fan


They agreed to certain standards to get accredited. Sucks for them if they've failed to adhere to those standards.
 
2012-08-14 07:54:06 AM
Next week's article: Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?
 
2012-08-14 07:54:08 AM

greentea1985: If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.


Whoa, wait. Granted I haven't been following the case intently, but that's the first I've heard of this. Got a source?
 
2012-08-14 07:54:58 AM

miss diminutive: greentea1985: If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

Whoa, wait. Granted I haven't been following the case intently, but that's the first I've heard of this. Got a source?


Rumors need sources?
 
2012-08-14 07:55:53 AM
Penn State is a world class university, which has nothing to do with Paterno or the administrators who looked the other way.

They shouldnt destroy the university over this, just make institute reforms.
 
2012-08-14 07:58:13 AM
HaywoodJablonski:

Should Every Penn State Student, Administrator, Faculty Member and Alumnus be Murdered in Their Sleep?

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2012-08-14 07:59:22 AM

Rincewind53: greentea1985: hornblowerfan: This is ridiculously stupid and unwarranted. Do not penalize inmocent students for what the football staff has done. Even now, there are 4 young-ish people in my department at work who are Penn State graduates and who practically wear black ribbons to mourn the loss of their careers.

The problem is it wasn't just the football staff. Several major University officials including the former president are implicated in the cover-up. The involvement of non-athletic department university officials is threatening the accredation. If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

So farking what? Do any of those major University officials run the academic programs? Does the Sandusky scandal indicate anything about the academic performance of Penn State students? Is the quality of teachers in question? No.

/not a Penn State grade or football fan


Because the officials are expected to have some control over the faculty and staff. I think the real fear is the massive settlements to Sandusky victims coupled with the loss of income from the football program will cause the academic departments to be gutted, reducing the value of a PSU degree. That's why the accreditation organization wants to know how much money PSU has. If they think there isn't enough to cover the settlements without destroying academics, they'll pre-emptively remove PSU's accreditation.
 
2012-08-14 07:59:28 AM
What scares me about Penn state is that I have no reason to believe that other school administrations (or any other bureaucracy) isn't capable of something similar.

Maybe we'll get to a point where administration will shrewdly decide its in their best interest to take a small amount of bad PR now rather than cover it up and risk a huge scandal.
 
2012-08-14 07:59:43 AM
I guess I don't get the connection between ACADEMIC accreditation and felonies committed by member(s) of the football team's staff. I get it that the school's high command was in on the kiddy diddling cover up, but they should all be charged, tried, and if convicted, sent up the creek, not have the school's accreditation taken away.

If it's just a matter of punishing the school, I think the stigma will do a good job of that.
 
2012-08-14 08:00:25 AM
this is farking Moronic. I am wondering why they aren't going after University of Pennsylvania for the sex abuse scandal in their economics dept?

orbister: Shouldn't accreditation be contingent on robust procedures for dealing with academic misconduct? A system which insists that football players be exempt from all disciplinary procedures does not quite meet that requirement.


PSU actually treated their player mor elike regular students than most big footballs schools.

Go look at their graduation rates and grades.
 
2012-08-14 08:02:55 AM

Animatronik: Penn State is a world class university, which has nothing to do with Paterno or the administrators who looked the other way.

They shouldnt destroy the university over this, just make institute reforms.


In which world? Paterno and the administrators who looked the other way (one of whom is the president of PSU) somehow have nothing to do with the university? In fact, the football culture was so strong and pervasive in Happy Valley that Joe Pa literally had more power than the university president until this story blew. No, the school shouldn't be destroyed. After the accrediting authorities and lawsuits get through pauperizing the school, it might just have the makings of a mighty fine community college.
 
2012-08-14 08:07:59 AM

miss diminutive: greentea1985: If the rumors are true and Sandusky farmed out boys to Second Mile donors and PSU boosters, PSU is toast.

Whoa, wait. Granted I haven't been following the case intently, but that's the first I've heard of this. Got a source?


SI, CBS, and the New York Daily News

Wait, here's a better link from the NY Daily News, in case someone doesn't like fannation

So, yeah. This might be a thing.
 
2012-08-14 08:09:34 AM
liam76:

PSU actually treated their player mor elike regular students than most big footballs schools.

The Kool-Aid ... stop drinking it
 
2012-08-14 08:09:46 AM

LiberalEastCoastElitist: What scares me about Penn state is that I have no reason to believe that other school administrations (or any other bureaucracy) isn't capable of something similar.


They are. They have been caught. They just don't make headlines because football (especially at PSU) is an attention getter. You got football itself and all its baggage (money, questions of its role in schools, etc), you got a fallen "hero" (Paterno, I woudl never categorize him as such before the scandal, guy was a good coach who remembered they were students first, but that was enought o get that label in college football), andyou got a big school. Move it to U Penn, and the economics dept and it is a blip in the news.

Nobody heard about this one
 
2012-08-14 08:10:43 AM
One asshole and his prick friends cover up some insidious actions, and that's an excuse to punish tens of thousands of innocent staff and alumni that were just as disgusted and angry as the rest of the country?

Stop being stupid.
 
2012-08-14 08:11:15 AM

Endive Wombat: Fine, assuming they lose their accreditation, the school is toast at that point. Students can transfer to other schools...the campus basically becomes a ghost town. What happens with the physical school itself?


Sold to pay the settlements and court ordered payments.
 
2012-08-14 08:11:40 AM
In other news.. a lot of the players that colleges are saying can come over for free, Are probably still paying leases on the apartments they're living in. Getting out of a lease early is a biatch
 
2012-08-14 08:11:57 AM
The commission also wants the report to address the university's ability to bear financial obligations stemming from "the investigation and related settlements, etc."

They just want to get paid.
 
2012-08-14 08:12:17 AM
Not a PSU grad, student or a big college football fan, but this strikes me as a step to far.
 
2012-08-14 08:12:45 AM

Something_Creative: My problem with this is that the punishment goes back to the students instead of the school itself, or more importantly, the administration. The fine levied against Penn St.? They said it reduced the amount of scholarships available for new and continuing students. And now, removing accreditation once again only hurts the students. I think all or almost all of the upper echelon of administration should be fired or maybe even personally fined if possible. Let the president of the school have to personally pay for the penalty. I know that my alma mater was smaller than Penn State, and the Chancellor made more money than the President of the United States--I think the leader of Penn State could afford it.


To clarify one of your points - it reduced the number of *athletic* scholarships available. IIRC,
it was only *football* scholarships, at that (I could be wrong...I'm known for that....)

Didn't say anything about the precious few academic scholarships for those of us who aren't
so athletically inclined.
 
2012-08-14 08:13:13 AM

Rincewind53: I'm actually really against that. Think how many random non-football-loving Penn State alumni and students there now who would legitimately be seriously hurt by this.


True.

But think of this. If they set the precedent that looking the other way can cost you YOUR ENTIRE SCHOOL then it is MUCH less likely to happen again at another school.

I think there is a system-wide problem in looking the other way for sports teams in schools and going nuclear on Penn State would certainly help clean up that shiat.

And the current students can simply transfer. That's an inconvenience at most.
 
2012-08-14 08:13:37 AM

thatboyoverthere: Yelp I'm having a really hard time giving a fark for them.


How about the engineering student that went to Penn State, was completely disinterested in football and is now job searching with a toxic degree? How is this at all that student's fault?
 
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