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2012-08-14 08:38:09 AM
The future of Facebook? Go look at MySpace, it will give you a clue.
 
2012-08-14 08:47:30 AM
There are ads on Facebook?
 
2012-08-14 08:54:59 AM
What a wonderfully insightful and thought-provoking blog post on a topic that hasn't been thoroughly dissected by every financial and business talking head on earth over the past year. Keep shining light on the darkness, Dominic, you and Diogenes may be soul mates.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:16 AM

Pocket Ninja: What a wonderfully insightful and thought-provoking blog post on a topic that hasn't been thoroughly dissected by every financial and business talking head on earth over the past year. Keep shining light on the darkness, Dominic, you and Diogenes may be soul mates.


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2012-08-14 10:03:23 AM

Walker: The future of Facebook? Go look at MySpace, it will give you a clue.


Keep dreaming.

/nothing new at all in this link
//your blog sucks
 
2012-08-14 10:46:37 AM
May be it is just me but I've become bored with FaceBook. As a way of spreading the misery I only post pictures of or stories about my cat.

/I do not own a cat
 
2012-08-14 10:50:34 AM
Facebook has already served it's purpose. It made Mark Zuckerberg a billionaire. That's all it was ever designed to do.
 
2012-08-14 10:51:07 AM

Walker: The future of Facebook? Go look at MySpace, it will give you a clue.


Myspace is still around, and has a lot of bands.

So I'm guessing Facebook will still be around, and have a lot of lolcats.
 
2012-08-14 10:51:38 AM
I think the must coontiest thing that FB has ever done is that if you comment on a post that is "public" knowing so or not, makes what you put appear in all of your friends news feed and there is NO way of turning that "feature" off. If it was not for it being an easy way to regularly stay in contact with people I hold dear then I would be off it in a second.

/No one else will move to Google+
// I'm not on using my real name, I'm not a complete farking moron
 
2012-08-14 10:53:14 AM
The future of facebook is that when kids realize that their parents, who grew up with FB, are tech (or at least FB) savvy, and are more than happy to use FB to closely monitor their child's social life, they won't want to use it anymore. When it no longer is seen as a "cool" thing, it's something Aunt Mildred uses to look at baby pictures, and no self respecting kid will go near it.
 
2012-08-14 10:58:17 AM

grinding_journalist: The future of facebook is that when kids realize that their parents, who grew up with FB, are tech (or at least FB) savvy, and are more than happy to use FB to closely monitor their child's social life, they won't want to use it anymore. When it no longer is seen as a "cool" thing, it's something Aunt Mildred uses to look at baby pictures, and no self respecting kid will go near it.


That's already happening. Lots of kids were upset when FB bought instragram, cause FB is what all the "old people" use. No kid will be using their parents social network.
 
2012-08-14 11:05:03 AM
What has really hacked me off is the 'trending videos' and 'trending articles' that are displacing actual news from friends. I realise you can get rid of these with browser extensions but you really shouldn't have to...but yes, I'm the product, yadda yadda yadda...
 
2012-08-14 11:05:36 AM
Check out Zurker
 
2012-08-14 11:17:38 AM
Your Facebook, your Assbook.... What's the difference?
 
2012-08-14 11:17:47 AM

sure haven't: grinding_journalist: The future of facebook is that when kids realize that their parents, who grew up with FB, are tech (or at least FB) savvy, and are more than happy to use FB to closely monitor their child's social life, they won't want to use it anymore. When it no longer is seen as a "cool" thing, it's something Aunt Mildred uses to look at baby pictures, and no self respecting kid will go near it.

That's already happening. Lots of kids were upset when FB bought instragram, cause FB is what all the "old people" use. No kid will be using their parents social network.


Then they should change Facebook to MyLawn, so they can GTFO.
 
2012-08-14 11:22:14 AM

skodabunny: What has really hacked me off is the 'trending videos' and 'trending articles' that are displacing actual news from friends. I realise you can get rid of these with browser extensions but you really shouldn't have to...but yes, I'm the product, yadda yadda yadda...


...turn it off in the FB settings you farking retard.

I never understand why people endlessly biatch about 'oh I get this from FB!' when you can turn ALL of it off in the settings. And when something sneaks through, you can turn THAT off by clicking the arrow next to it and checking the 'unsubscribe from X by Y' button.

Sybarite: There are ads on Facebook?


Facebook itself is a giant add, even with ABP and Noscript, it loads a ton of side-bar likes, etc, which are simply data farming items, and adds hidden as 'you might like' suggestions.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:04 AM

kroonermanblack: ...turn it off in the FB settings you farking retard.


Calm down, mate. I couldn't find a way to do that in the settings; that was my first port of call.
 
2012-08-14 11:26:49 AM

kroonermanblack: Facebook itself is a giant add, even with ABP and Noscript, it loads a ton of side-bar likes, etc, which are simply data farming items, and adds hidden as 'you might like' suggestions.


Sure...I'm the retard....
 
2012-08-14 11:32:17 AM
I'm gonna go talk about this in a google hangout.
 
2012-08-14 11:32:35 AM
ASSBOOK
 
2012-08-14 11:46:16 AM

Mr. Potatoass: Your Facebook, your Assbook.... What's the difference?


The Smilebooks runs different directions?
 
2012-08-14 11:49:48 AM
It's seems unnecessary to have a centralized site to stay in touch with people, it's not like they are offering you a unique, physical device - it's just text.

Perhaps a popular app will come along that, once installed, puts you into a network of your choice, no matter how large or small.

I can't see the internet still being stuck in the 1996 phase of low-res graphics/text websites that we are still in now. By 2020, I would think the internet may be entirely unrecognizable to what it is today.
 
2012-08-14 11:56:25 AM
Can anyone explain the purpose behind the fake "bot" facebook pages that are "liking" advertisements on Facebook? What's the business model behind them? Or is the suspicion that it's a black-ops side of Facebook itself that is paying folks in Asia to create these bots to drive up numbers?
 
2012-08-14 11:56:53 AM
done in one
 
2012-08-14 12:00:45 PM

geek_mars: Mr. Potatoass: Your Facebook, your Assbook.... What's the difference?

The Smilebooks runs different directions?


well played. +1 internets for you!
 
2012-08-14 12:09:03 PM

cefm: Can anyone explain the purpose behind the fake "bot" facebook pages that are "liking" advertisements on Facebook? What's the business model behind them? Or is the suspicion that it's a black-ops side of Facebook itself that is paying folks in Asia to create these bots to drive up numbers?


Every time they get a "like" they pay FB, like Google's per-click advertising package. So create a bot, it spends all day and night "liking" then FB rakes in the Shekels in advertising revenue...
 
2012-08-14 12:10:16 PM

Walker: The future of Facebook? Go look at MySpace, it will give you a clue.


Yeah, but the argument is that Facebook has more of a network effect than MySpace did (fax machine vs. putting a poster of yourself up on a telephone pole). And later generations of a product always seem to do better; I mean, MySpace kicked Geocities' ass, yeah?

Not sayin' you're wrong though.

zvoidx: not like they are offering you a unique, physical device - it's just text.


... yet....

There are rumors of a Facebook phone, but they are probably just vapor / "analysts" up their own ass. Probably.

cefm: Or is the suspicion that it's a black-ops side of Facebook itself that is paying folks in Asia to create these bots to drive up numbers?


Or maybe the third-party ad platforms are cutting in people for a fraction of the amount they get for a click? Facebook could be (relatively) clean in it (to this point)... but if more evidence mounts that there's something fishy going on, they're going to have to deal with it. I think it's more likely that people on FB have time to kill and will click on anything, but I wouldn't be surprised to see some solid proof that there are fraudbots running.

Of course, I've never had a FB account, as I haven't got the ego (nobody cares what I think, and I prefer to do my babbling shiat-flinging pseudo-anonymously, anyway), so I could be completely wrong... but I do find the company and its history and impact on society fairly interesting to watch.
 
2012-08-14 12:29:04 PM

SFSailor:

Of course, I've never had a FB account, as I haven't got the ego (nobody cares what I think, and I prefer to do my babbling shiat-flinging pseudo-anonymously, anyway), so I could be completely wrong... but I do find the company and its history and impact on society fairly interesting to watch.


It also quite disturbing to find out what arseholes many of your "friends" actually are
 
2012-08-14 12:43:03 PM
We just had a large fire near where I live. The only way we got decent information was from the City Facebook page. The surrounding Cities and the National Guard also posted on their perspective Facebook pages as well.

I for one love Facebook.

The local media was worthless during the entire ordeal.
 
2012-08-14 01:04:44 PM

gmoney101: SFSailor:

Of course, I've never had a FB account, as I haven't got the ego (nobody cares what I think, and I prefer to do my babbling shiat-flinging pseudo-anonymously, anyway), so I could be completely wrong... but I do find the company and its history and impact on society fairly interesting to watch.

It also quite disturbing to find out what arseholes many of your "friends" actually are


I found out most of my local friends think vaccines are evil, most of my family is indeed creationists, and my engineering friends from college subscribe to conspiracy theorist monthly, it just got to depressing to be on there.

That's kinda why I quit it. And if you dare make a comment that was even slightly against (I'm a pretty consistent devil's advocate in person) than someone's friend or friend of friend it can lead to all sorts of problems.

Then there was getting stalked. Not a fun experience.
 
2012-08-14 01:07:44 PM
Facebook sucked when it went from college only to high school and college... Then sucked more when they opened it to the public.
 
2012-08-14 01:10:15 PM
The only purpose Facebook has ever represented is to allow people to pretend they have a life more interesting than the one they actually live. Also, to pretend they have "friends" who give a shiat.

/Besides also allowing Big Brother the possibility to access all of our personal information
 
2012-08-14 01:47:06 PM

blacksharpiemarker: The only purpose Facebook has ever represented is to allow people to pretend they have a life more interesting than the one they actually live. Also, to pretend they have "friends" who give a shiat.


It has also allowed me to get a shiat load of free stuff from really good breweries.
 
2012-08-14 01:47:25 PM

gmoney101: It also quite disturbing to find out what arseholes many of your "friends" actually are


Or, in some of our cases, revealing to our "friends" what assholes we are. ; )

Yeah, I've stayed far away for several reasons: (1) Don't want to have to bite my tongue if a friend/relative says something clinically retarded (2) Don't want to have to be in a position of having to be rude and "not friend" (or whatever it is) someone who wants to see all my shiat and (3) really don't want potential employers finding something. But I do understand that this means I may be missing out on snapshots and reunions. *May be.*

Or, really, the only reason: I know I'd have fewer "friend links" than I have fingers on one hand, and that would just be another heap of weight on the "fark it, kill yourself" side of the scale. And since my dog can't have a page, I'm not sure I'd even need one finger.

But the trajectory of the company is entertaining to watch. And I have already collected a few wagers on my "shoulda shorted it" opinion.

Beerguy: The only way we got decent information was from the City Facebook page.


This is quite alarming to me. In the grand scheme of things, few people have FB pages (or even computer access). AM radio or something, at the very least, should be reliable for information in an emergency rather than "hey, let's all have FB pages," shouldn't it? After the last hurricane grazed my 'hood, the only data in and out I had was cellular SMS for a bit, but my radios still worked. Hmmm.

Now I need to find out what my city's plan is for information dissemination. And possibly go be an old crank at a committee meeting somewhere.

meat0918: someone's friend or friend of friend it can lead to all sorts of problems.


And I think this is why Fark and the like will -always- exist. Anonymity leads to honesty trumping politeness and political repercussions. Sure, it leads to asshattery, snark and baldfaced lying, but if RandomFarker094 says something woefully ill informed, hateful and stupid, BrilliantFarker201 and 15 others can beat the hell out of him without fearing having to sit next to him at Thanksgiving, or getting a call from a mutual friend, or being told by their boss that they're fired.

I'd much rather do the shouting-at-clouds that is Fark than get in some pointless argument with some family members farkwit neighbor. While everyone they know is watching.

blacksharpiemarker: The only purpose Facebook has ever represented is to allow people to pretend they have a life more interesting than the one they actually live.


(a) Honestly, I think that's MySpace, and why FB's outlook may be brighter.

While I initially agreed with your stance, I think this opinion dates us. I am told by hipper, younger, more social people than I that, "if you don't have a FB page, you don't get invited to anything." And I believe them. I can also watch that spreading to apply to parents organizing their kids' crap...

... those of us old enough to remember mocking people with .edu and @aol email addresses on usenet, and, having done so, being obviously childless, may -never- have a reason to be on FB.
 
2012-08-14 01:47:45 PM
Facebook is charging roughly 1/7 what Yahoo charges for ads. They have a lot of upside if they will just get the right people in charge of their advertising sales.
 
2012-08-14 01:48:19 PM

mechgreg: It has also allowed me to get a shiat load of free stuff from really good breweries.


FULL STOP.

This is relevant to my interests.

Off to the googlewebz. Beer Drinker 875 may need a FB page.
 
2012-08-14 01:51:43 PM

SharkTrager: Facebook is charging roughly 1/7 what Yahoo charges for ads. They have a lot of upside if they will just get the right people in charge of their advertising sales.


Yeah, but are their success metrics comparable to Yahoo? If their ad -> click through -> sale conversion rate is the same, you make a wonderful point.

If not (and a few (admittedly, few) anecdotal tales indicate they are very much not), then that's not really relevant.

Now I may need to poke around and see if there's any decent data about that....

Regardless, FB's looming problem remains making money off mobile. Hence the reason the FB phone rumors won't die.

/ don't know why I find it so interesting when I don't use it
// of course, I find nuclear physics interesting, and I don't use that (err, directly), either
 
2012-08-14 02:00:25 PM

blacksharpiemarker: The only purpose Facebook has ever represented is to allow people to pretend they have a life more interesting than the one they actually live. Also, to pretend they have "friends" who give a shiat.

/Besides also allowing Big Brother the possibility to access all of our personal information


We post all our events that we invite people to up on Facebook, it really is invaluable at least to me to be able to look and see what's going on during the weekend and when, ect. I think its great.
 
2012-08-14 02:45:46 PM

Beerguy: We just had a large fire near where I live. The only way we got decent information was from the City Facebook page. The surrounding Cities and the National Guard also posted on their perspective Facebook pages as well.

I for one love Facebook.

The local media was worthless during the entire ordeal.


Working on an Air Force base, on more than one occasion I've found out about something important from their FB page well before they updated any other resource. That's pretty handy during winter time when severe snowfall forces base closures (Why yes, I do get snow days as an adult!).
 
2012-08-14 03:57:39 PM

SFSailor: mechgreg: It has also allowed me to get a shiat load of free stuff from really good breweries.

FULL STOP.

This is relevant to my interests.

Off to the googlewebz. Beer Drinker 875 may need a FB page.


The british breweries seem to love giving away free stuff. I have an awesome looking Fuller's wooden pub clock hanging on the wall in my basement that I won off their facebook page. Even though pretty much all their contests say open to residents of the UK only they don't seem to mind sending stuff to Canada (as long as it is not actual beer).
 
2012-08-14 05:54:25 PM
Facebook charges what they do for ads because they have to. How else can they afford to pay their engineering staff to write a custom php compiler?
 
2012-08-14 06:13:20 PM
Does that mean the FB pages for dogs, squirrels, cats and all of the rest of the non-human fauna are not considered fake? How about we knock them off your claimed total too FB.
 
2012-08-14 08:22:18 PM
Here is the future of Facebook:

People will continue to use it as a conduit to post pictures of their trendy-named kids and await "likes" and compliments/validation in the comments section.

"Look at Bennett and Jaden in their Halloween costumes"

"Here we are on vacation standing in front of something expensive. Look how excited and successful my life is."

"Exciting news everyone, Brayden got accepted into a super elite private school because he is so smart. This means I am smart too."

fark you facebookers
 
2012-08-14 09:00:34 PM
Facebook has a business model? Holy shiat!
 
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