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(Fox News)   Connecticut nuclear plant, which supplies 50% of CT's power and 12% of all power to New England, shuts down because the ocean is too warm   (foxnews.com) divider line 118
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2012-08-13 11:04:37 PM
Oh wow.

FTFA: Unit 2 of Millstone Power Station has occasionally shut for maintenance or other issues, but in its 37-year history it has never gone down due to excessively warm water, spokesman Ken Holt said on Monday.

But this isn't a symptom of climate change. Nooo way. Don't you dare suggest it is. It's just a freakishly warm summer just like the last 10 summers were freakishly warm summers.

The water may not be warmer than 75 degrees and following the hottest July on record has been averaging 1.7 degrees above the limit, the Nuclear Regulatory Commission said. The federal agency issued an "emergency license amendment" last week, allowing Millstone, a subsidiary of Dominion Resources Inc., to use an average temperature of several readings.

Because standards for nuclear power plants are super flexible!
 
2012-08-14 12:32:18 AM
In before the global warming deniers.

/its not global warming
//yes I read the terms and conditions
///not a slide show
//and other lies to follow
 
2012-08-14 12:36:17 AM
75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?
 
2012-08-14 12:51:52 AM

Bontesla: Because standards for nuclear power plants are super flexible!


Erm, no. Using an average of several readings results in a more accurate reading, allowing operation closer to the regulatory limit.
 
2012-08-14 12:58:15 AM
Sheesh, people. There is no such thing as man-made global warming. We cannot do that on such a large scale. It's only just the atmosphere and water that is getting warmer.
 
2012-08-14 01:05:57 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?


Science is a cold biatch like that, yes.

/probably a safety margin too
 
2012-08-14 01:07:25 AM
This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!
 
2012-08-14 01:10:43 AM
images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Time for drastic measures?
 
2012-08-14 01:27:08 AM

This About That: Bontesla: Because standards for nuclear power plants are super flexible!

Erm, no. Using an average of several readings results in a more accurate reading, allowing operation closer to the regulatory limit.


Erm, no. Using an average of several readings to obtain a more accurate reading is wonderful for many things - like preheating an oven.

The maximum temperature allowed is an arbitrarily safe number. Anything closer to the actual temperature necessary to prevent adequate cooling is "too risky." The existing standard for determining whether or not the water is an appropriate temperature is also designed to be arbitrarily safe. The more flexible those standards become, the closer we may become to a potential problem. Hence - any reading above x is considered to be "unsafe."
 
2012-08-14 01:27:44 AM

ThatGuyGreg: MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?

Science is a cold biatch like that, yes.

/probably a safety margin too


Safety margin is correct.
 
2012-08-14 01:30:21 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!


THIS.

It's freaking SNOWING in the Himalayas right now. Where's your global warming now?!!?11?
 
2012-08-14 01:39:03 AM

Bontesla: The maximum temperature allowed is an arbitrarily safe number. Anything closer to the actual temperature necessary to prevent adequate cooling is "too risky." The existing standard for determining whether or not the water is an appropriate temperature is also designed to be arbitrarily safe. The more flexible those standards become, the closer we may become to a potential problem. Hence - any reading above x is considered to be "unsafe."


What in the fsck are you trying to say?
 
2012-08-14 02:48:39 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: AdolfOliverPanties: This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!

THIS.

It's freaking SNOWING in the Himalayas right now. Where's your global warming now?!!?11?


The refrigerator in my garage stopped working yesterday!!!
 
2012-08-14 05:06:11 AM
Hey, let's ask the Americans to conserve energy like they did in Japan. I wonder how that will turn out...
 
2012-08-14 05:11:08 AM

lucksi: Hey, let's ask the Americans to conserve energy like they did in Japan. I wonder how that will turn out...


The power companies will jack up the rates because they couldn't make enough with everyone conserving power.

Bonuses have to be paid, you know.

fark Tepco.
 
2012-08-14 05:13:35 AM
you know they could prob just put the pipes a few feet lower in the water.
 
2012-08-14 05:17:52 AM

fusillade762: Eddie Adams from Torrance: AdolfOliverPanties: This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!

THIS.

It's freaking SNOWING in the Himalayas right now. Where's your global warming now?!!?11?

The refrigerator in my garage stopped working yesterday!!!


It's so hot in Texas that my refrigerator MAGNETS stopped working.

/Curie temperature joke for those with enough material science under their belt.
 
2012-08-14 05:18:20 AM
Remember kids, the water around this plant covers the entire surface of the earth.

And also, climate trends can now be judged based on a few days data.
 
2012-08-14 05:20:13 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: The power companies will jack up the rates because they couldn't make enough with everyone conserving power.

Bonuses have to be paid, you know.

fark Tepco.


If you don't like it, turn off your box.
 
2012-08-14 05:20:52 AM
www.memecreator.org

The ocean is TOO DAMN WARM!
 
2012-08-14 05:23:09 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?


Something has to be the limit, apparently it's 74.9
 
2012-08-14 05:25:04 AM

SevenizGud: AverageAmericanGuy: The power companies will jack up the rates because they couldn't make enough with everyone conserving power.

Bonuses have to be paid, you know.

fark Tepco.

If you don't like it, turn off your box.


I'm not following. What box?
 
2012-08-14 05:25:32 AM
Yeah, the oceans just might be heating up.

www.nodc.noaa.gov

www.skepticalscience.com
 
2012-08-14 05:25:59 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: AdolfOliverPanties: This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!

THIS.

It's freaking SNOWING in the Himalayas right now. Where's your global warming now?!!?11?


See, here is the problem with right wing talking points these days, I genuinely can't tell joking and stupidity.

/guess it's because all the talking points are stupid jokes
 
2012-08-14 05:30:58 AM
Just let it go over the parameters. It's only a nuclear plant, not like it's going to explode or anything.
 
2012-08-14 05:35:52 AM

ThatGuyGreg: MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?

Science is a cold biatch like that, yes.

/probably a safety margin too


Safety margin? Sounds like Communism to me.
 
2012-08-14 05:35:57 AM
Maybe we can stop regulating nuclear power plants and they will all explode and give us nuclear winter, thus cooling the planet and allowing new reactors to go online.


/morbo comment goes here
 
2012-08-14 05:41:05 AM
This About That:

What in the fsck are you trying to say?


That an existing safety requirement shouldn't be changed for a non-safety-related "emergency." When said requirement was defined at the time the plant was built, the temperature measurement interval, measurement averaging and the like would also have been specified. Changing that now in a rush reduces the safety of the system as a whole.
 
2012-08-14 05:42:24 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?


Problem isn't adequate cooling, the problem is protecting the fish/climate/wildlife.

It'd cost quite a few million, but this problem could be 'solved' by evaporating or even dry towers to eliminate the heat without directly returning it to the ocean. The problem is that they aren't allowed to return water any hotter than 75, but right now their INTAKE is actually hotter than that.
 
2012-08-14 05:43:27 AM
We have one nuclear power plant in my country and in the past years, they've often had to run stinted during the summer because they aren't allowed heat up the river used for cooling more than 3°C and it's not allowed to go over 28°C (both are biological limits for fish and plants and such in the river). In the past 5 years they've invested into building a bunch of extra cooling towers so they can run full power over the summer.
 
2012-08-14 05:47:01 AM
Get a longer intake pipe, then.
 
2012-08-14 05:49:01 AM

Firethorn: Problem isn't adequate cooling, the problem is protecting the fish/climate/wildlife.

Squik2: Changing that now in a rush reduces the safety of the system as a whole wildlife.

FTFM.

Thanks for the clarification, Firethorn.
 
2012-08-14 05:49:23 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: 75° seawater won't cool the reactor adequately?

/but 74° will?


Yes.
 
2012-08-14 06:01:07 AM
I'm going to join the money scheming libs and deny that that last ice age is coming to an end. We must not let the ice age end. Quick, throw quilts over the glaciers.
 
2012-08-14 06:07:50 AM

david_gaithersburg: I'm going to join the money scheming libs and deny that that last ice age is coming to an end. We must not let the ice age end. Quick, throw quilts over the glaciers.


The last ice age ended ~10,000 years ago.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-14 06:22:34 AM

God-is-a-Taco: Maybe we can stop regulating nuclear power plants and they will all explode and give us nuclear winter, thus cooling the planet and allowing new reactors to go online.


/morbo comment goes here


see people, this is how it's done. life, lemonade, etcetera.
 
2012-08-14 06:23:40 AM

Baryogenesis: david_gaithersburg: I'm going to join the money scheming libs and deny that that last ice age is coming to an end. We must not let the ice age end. Quick, throw quilts over the glaciers.

The last ice age ended ~10,000 years ago.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]


I think he was referring to the little ice age.
 
2012-08-14 06:25:23 AM
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2012-08-14 06:29:55 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: AdolfOliverPanties: This is a phenomenon. It is called summer. Pull your heads out of the freakishly overheated and possibly turning to glass sand, libs!

THIS.

It's freaking SNOWING in the Himalayas right now. Where's your global warming now?!!?11?


Yeah.

I mean, theres the north pole and the south pole, and they're covered in ice. That doesnt sound too warm to me. There are 7 continents, and if two of them are covered in ice I'm not too worried about any "global warming". That means like 5/7ths of the world is fine right now.
 
2012-08-14 06:34:02 AM
A few nuclear plants blew up in japan and I recall the farkosphere didn't think it was a problem
 
2012-08-14 06:34:44 AM
Huh. I guess I can say the stupid literally burns.
 
2012-08-14 06:35:29 AM

stirfrybry: A few nuclear plants blew up in japan and I recall the farkosphere didn't think it was a problem


Happens all the time. Well within design parameters. Elevated levels of radioactivity in the surrounding area is nothing more than extra bananas delivered in the early Japanese spring.
 
2012-08-14 06:37:47 AM
So nuclear power is unreliable because warm water

Hydrogen fuel cells are unreliable because hydrogen
Solar power is unreliable because clouds
Wind power is unreliable because wind
Hydro power is unreliable because drought
Fossil fuel is unreliable because OMG run out in 1000 years

Face it, we're farked no matter what we do, so we might as well just give up, lay down, and die.
 
2012-08-14 06:39:51 AM

Baryogenesis: david_gaithersburg: I'm going to join the money scheming libs and deny that that last ice age is coming to an end. We must not let the ice age end. Quick, throw quilts over the glaciers.

The last ice age ended ~10,000 years ago.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]


.
.
Actually, the ice started melting 10,000 years ago, but you, me and the other Ice Age Is Coming To An End Deniers can halt it via money trading schemes.
 
2012-08-14 06:42:55 AM
It's as warm as it's been in the last 150 years of Earth's 4,500,000,000 year existence. Quick! Commission more university research into the effect of rat farts!
 
2012-08-14 06:43:06 AM
Gee, I wish people could find a use for hot water. Anyone know of a use of hot water?

Imagine if every major street had some huge coolant pipes below it for in the winter, no more salt on roads.

Or if everyone's house got a bit of that run off heat. You'd never have a hot water heating bill again.

At least for the winter.
 
2012-08-14 06:45:48 AM
And then the Methane Hydrate will be released
 
2012-08-14 06:47:08 AM

Squik2: This About That:

What in the fsck are you trying to say?

That an existing safety requirement shouldn't be changed for a non-safety-related "emergency." When said requirement was defined at the time the plant was built, the temperature measurement interval, measurement averaging and the like would also have been specified. Changing that now in a rush reduces the safety of the system as a whole.


OK, here's an example. Suppose you regularly drive past an automated speed limit radar-and-camera speed trap that issues you a ticket at exactly 60 MPH. You know that the typical car speedometer can be, let's say, 5% off. This means that to be safe you have to regulate your speed to an indicated 57 MPH to be sure you avoid exceeding an actual 60 MPH. Then you acquire a GPS device that you know is accurate to within 0.5 MPH. Now you can operate using the more accurate measurement at 59.5 MPH without exceeding the limit. You gain 2.5 MPH without changing or exceeding the speed limit. This is what they did by using the average reading (with NRC approval), thus gaining a little bit of allowable intake temperature without exceeding or changing the allowable limit. No rules were bent, no safety was compromised, no anti-nuclear conspiracy raving was justified.
 
2012-08-14 06:47:53 AM

Red Shirt Blues: Baryogenesis: david_gaithersburg: I'm going to join the money scheming libs and deny that that last ice age is coming to an end. We must not let the ice age end. Quick, throw quilts over the glaciers.

The last ice age ended ~10,000 years ago.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 600x400]

I think he was referring to the little ice age.


That wasn't an ice age.
 
2012-08-14 06:51:03 AM
If we would just stop measuring the water temperature, we wouldn't have this problem. Think of the Job Creators™!
 
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