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(AZCentral)   We're not saying the country is getting stupider, but more and more Americans are happily buying new cars without even taking them out for a single test drive. "Honestly, I hate dealing with car salesmen"   (azcentral.com) divider line 237
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2012-08-13 07:39:20 PM
Andy Thedjoprasetyono

I get wanted to stay anonymous, especially when your job is essentially to screw people over, but you could have just told them 'Smith.'
 
2012-08-13 08:58:22 PM
Why not pay car salesmen a flat wage so they don't prey upon anyone within sniffing distance like a coyote that hasn't eaten in 3 weeks. This way they are more likely to give you room to breath while you look around. Then if you want to test drive, they won't lose your car keys, turn up the radio to cover weird noises, make you drive 1/8th of a mile and say 'turn around' and all that crap.

This is the consumer saying 'we don't like the process, so we won't participate'.
 
2012-08-13 09:01:58 PM

Nadie_AZ: Then if you want to test drive, they won't lose your car keys, turn up the radio to cover weird noises, make you drive 1/8th of a mile and say 'turn around' and all that crap.


Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive. Never. If they say they have to, tell them that's unacceptable and begin to leave. They'll change their mind about it if you've demonstrated even the barest hint of being a real customer. And if they don't, chances are the next dealer won't be as big of an ass.
 
2012-08-13 09:04:37 PM
i test drove a porsche cayman s the other day. i figured it would get me to the gym faster than my BMW....

/true story, bro.
//helluva car
///not sure i could handle the noise of a mid-engine 6 right behind my head all day tho
 
2012-08-13 09:06:54 PM

Pocket Ninja: Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive.


When I was right out of college, I did buy my car specifically from the one salesman who just gave me the keys.

But after that it wasn't such a big deal and the salesjerks have been informative not just about the car, but frequently which are the safest or best streets to test the cars on, or which is the quickest way to the freeway.

I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.
 
2012-08-13 09:08:15 PM

RoyBatty: I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.


Or marrying a girl before you kick her tires.
 
2012-08-13 09:28:03 PM
I bought a 2000 Mazda 626 with 90000 miles on it after only a short test drive, and three years later, I couldn't be happier with my purchase. As anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence, everyone should do the same thing I did.

Seriously, in retrospect, while I did get lucky with the car, I should have vetted it more thoroughly as a matter of principle.
 
2012-08-13 09:33:41 PM

FlashHarry: i test drove a porsche cayman s the other day. i figured it would get me to the gym faster than my BMW....

/true story, bro.
//helluva car
///not sure i could handle the noise of a mid-engine 6 right behind my head all day tho


Hell with either of those cars. Nothing like needing constant hugely expensive service.
 
2012-08-13 09:34:34 PM
Realtors are worse.
 
2012-08-13 09:34:53 PM
That and our version of a "new" car design trends toward shiat that's meant to look 40 years old.
 
2012-08-13 09:35:25 PM

RoyBatty: Pocket Ninja: Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive.

When I was right out of college, I did buy my car specifically from the one salesman who just gave me the keys.

But after that it wasn't such a big deal and the salesjerks have been informative not just about the car, but frequently which are the safest or best streets to test the cars on, or which is the quickest way to the freeway.

I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.


rent it for a week, that's the way to go.
 
2012-08-13 09:36:01 PM

Quantum Apostrophe: Realtors are worse.


Yeah, at least new car salesmen are selling you something new at an inflated new car price.

Realtors sell you something old and beat up for double an inflated new car price.
 
2012-08-13 09:36:08 PM
One word: ThunderCougarFalconBird
 
2012-08-13 09:36:53 PM

RoyBatty: Pocket Ninja: Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive.

When I was right out of college, I did buy my car specifically from the one salesman who just gave me the keys.

But after that it wasn't such a big deal and the salesjerks have been informative not just about the car, but frequently which are the safest or best streets to test the cars on, or which is the quickest way to the freeway.

I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.


i guess it depends, if you're buying a corolla, and its your 3rd lifetime corolla, you probably don't need to test drive it. if you've never driven whatever the model is, you probably would want to
 
2012-08-13 09:36:55 PM
Hey....this is a great thread....

Anybody want to ballpark the cost of a 1969 Chevelle SS with a 396 big block...all original with matching numbers. 50,000 miles.
 
2012-08-13 09:39:31 PM
Meh, a car's a car.
 
2012-08-13 09:39:37 PM

Kanemano: RoyBatty: Pocket Ninja: Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive.

When I was right out of college, I did buy my car specifically from the one salesman who just gave me the keys.

But after that it wasn't such a big deal and the salesjerks have been informative not just about the car, but frequently which are the safest or best streets to test the cars on, or which is the quickest way to the freeway.

I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.

rent it for a week, that's the way to go.


I lease with an option to buy.
 
2012-08-13 09:40:47 PM
"stupider"

/ICWYDT
 
2012-08-13 09:41:23 PM
When I bought by WRX the sales guy gave me the keys and said "Bring it back in an hour or two. You have to drive a ways to get to the fun roads." There was absolutely no pressure.

Other dealerships were just slimy. I'm not buying a car after a half mile test drive.

One guy was almost in tears after I told him that if he contacted me I would never set foot in their dealership again. He called me.
 
2012-08-13 09:41:45 PM

tlchwi02: RoyBatty: Pocket Ninja: Never let the salesman ride with you on a test drive.

When I was right out of college, I did buy my car specifically from the one salesman who just gave me the keys.

But after that it wasn't such a big deal and the salesjerks have been informative not just about the car, but frequently which are the safest or best streets to test the cars on, or which is the quickest way to the freeway.

I can certainly understand buying a car online, but I can't imagine not test driving it. That would be like buying a cow without tasting the milk.

i guess it depends, if you're buying a corolla, and its your 3rd lifetime corolla, you probably don't need to test drive it. if you've never driven whatever the model is, you probably would want to


I might not bother test driving a genuinely new car right off the boat. Test driving a new model of a new car only proves that that model runs.

But if you buy anything with even one driver who had it for one day, you better test drive it, because it does NOT have a guarantee of working correctly.
 
2012-08-13 09:42:04 PM
Unimportant liter threadjack/advice plea:

Is there any car that rides as good as mine? I drive a 1996 Acura 3.2 TL with 215000 miles on it, and you couldn't tell the age from the ride or performance. Fantastic whether you put your foot down or drive like an old man. My dad drives a 2008 Accord, and that thing rides like absolute shiat. It doesn't know how to steer or accelerate without overdoing it, the seating position is weird and I can feel every pebble in the road. You could figure that subtracting the luxury make of my car but adding 12 years of engineering would be a wash, but no. What the hell happened? Anyway, is there any newer, more fuel efficient car out there that is super smooth but can break out sport-nasty when you feel like it? I need to know before 2025 when my car finally bites the dust.
 
2012-08-13 09:42:23 PM

Nadie_AZ: Why not pay car salesmen a flat wage so they don't prey upon anyone within sniffing distance like a coyote that hasn't eaten in 3 weeks. This way they are more likely to give you room to breath while you look around. Then if you want to test drive, they won't lose your car keys, turn up the radio to cover weird noises, make you drive 1/8th of a mile and say 'turn around' and all that crap.

This is the consumer saying 'we don't like the process, so we won't participate'.


They don't pay car salesmen a flat fee because they are salesmen. The reason for commissions is to provide motivation, and to increase sales. Flat salaries don't promote sales. The car dealership does not exist to provide people with cars. It exists so the owner can play golf all day and buy things. This is why sales people are paid on commission.
 
2012-08-13 09:42:28 PM
*bell curve degrades, elongates, flattens...*
 
2012-08-13 09:43:57 PM

bulldg4life: Hey....this is a great thread....

Anybody want to ballpark the cost of a 1969 Chevelle SS with a 396 big block...all original with matching numbers. 50,000 miles.


$70,000

/your price may vary
//fantastic car
 
Ehh
2012-08-13 09:44:00 PM
Charlotte [before her wedding]: I finally get to sleep with Trey.
Carrie: Excuse me?
Miranda: You haven't slept with him yet?
Samantha: Honey, before you buy the car you take it for a test drive!
 
2012-08-13 09:45:12 PM
stfu subby I've driven it in GT and Forza, plus the insurance settlement just came in
 
2012-08-13 09:45:30 PM
I always wanted a Z. I did all my research and knew the options I wanted. Test driving the car wasn't going to change my mind. I ordered a 2012 370Z and had it delivered. It's a bad ass car and I love it. Never had to step foot in a dealership. The best part is, I didn't have some asshole breathing down my neck asking me if I wanted paint and underbody protection.
/Paint protection?
//Really?
///I know how to wax a car
 
2012-08-13 09:45:48 PM

Fano: One word: ThunderCougarFalconBird


Oldsmobuick
 
2012-08-13 09:46:08 PM

bulldg4life: Hey....this is a great thread....

Anybody want to ballpark the cost of a 1969 Chevelle SS with a 396 big block...all original with matching numbers. 50,000 miles.


350 or 375 hp 396? Gearing upgrade?
 
2012-08-13 09:46:23 PM

untaken_name: They don't pay car salesmen a flat fee because they are salesmen. The reason for commissions is to provide motivation, and to increase sales. Flat salaries don't promote sales. The car dealership does not exist to provide people with cars. It exists so the owner can play golf all day and buy things. This is why sales people are paid on commission.


Most salesmen in the new car sales industry couldn't sell a strapon to Ru Paul, and they don't really deserve such commissions.

Used car salesmen... now THAT'S a tough job. And commissions don't really earn them anything, so why not keep them going?
 
2012-08-13 09:46:26 PM
An ex g/f loved Porsche so we bee bopped over to the dealership one day to look around.
A salesman came out, greeted us, and asked if we were there to check out the new Audi TT.
I said that we wanted to take a look at the Porsches.
He turned around and walked back inside.
Can't say that I blame him, but I'll never buy anything from that dealership.
 
2012-08-13 09:47:27 PM
2013 Ford Mustang Shelby GT500. No, you don't get a test drive at any dealer. You know what you want going in. You order 1 month before they build them, order to your spec, and don't pay an ADM. Heaven on wheels.
 
2012-08-13 09:48:07 PM
1. Tall people can't buy cars without literally trying them on for size -- if your head hits the roof or the top of the windshield is at chin level, or if there is no room for legs or knees or both feet, driving's just an exercise in sustained misery.

1.a. Yes I'm aware the seat reclines. I hate driving while reclining, it feels unnatural.

2. I love small cars. I can only afford economy cars. I've discovered that when you do your shopping in the lower priced market segments and the salesmen won't spend too many minutes being a pest.
 
2012-08-13 09:48:33 PM
If I drive a friend's car and like it, why would I need to test drive it again?

Also, buy thru fleet sales if you're willing to do your homework first and know exactly what you want and what the "out the door" price range is for the car. They're not going to waste time telling you how many speakers the sound system has or try to sell you lighted door sills and other crap. They'll give you a list of cars in the area that meet your specs, you haggle for 15-20 minutes over the price, and you're done.

Of course, that's assuming you have cash or very good credit. Don't waste the fleet guy's time with your 500 score. It ruins it for the rest of us.
 
2012-08-13 09:48:48 PM
My current car is the only one I ever put any research into. It's a Honda Pilot. What's the point in the test drive? I knew every thing I needed to know in the showroom.


/Still did the test drive
 
2012-08-13 09:48:55 PM
Bought my most recent vehicle ('11 Tacoma) with an email blast to the sales managers of all the local dealerships. Told them to respond back with a signed offer for the vehicle with my specs listed.

They were all on the same email and yes, each mgr could see each others' names.

/got a good deal
 
2012-08-13 09:49:13 PM

bulldg4life: Hey....this is a great thread....

Anybody want to ballpark the cost of a 1969 Chevelle SS with a 396 big block...all original with matching numbers. 50,000 miles.


With a reasonably straight body, about $25K. Pristine: $60K.
 
2012-08-13 09:49:39 PM
That's farking stupid. I'll normally rent a car and take it on a road trip before I buy.
 
2012-08-13 09:49:40 PM
So? I purchased my van in 2004 without a test drive. Everything I had read made me believe it would serve my requirements and there was no reasonable alternative to compare it with.

Now, a motorcycle, that requires a test ride. Without the sales person, naturally.
 
2012-08-13 09:50:41 PM
Well if its a GM model, its made by the government so you know it's good! Everything government does is flawless, no reason to test drive it.
 
2012-08-13 09:50:47 PM

Phaeon: you couldn't tell the age from the ride or performance.


Um, "your Mom joke" here.
 
2012-08-13 09:51:15 PM

Palmer Eldritch: I bought a 2000 Mazda 626 with 90000 miles on it after only a short test drive, and three years later, I couldn't be happier with my purchase. As anecdotal evidence is the best kind of evidence, everyone should do the same thing I did.

Seriously, in retrospect, while I did get lucky with the car, I should have vetted it more thoroughly as a matter of principle.


I swear by Mazdas, and I'm not sure why more people don't buy them.

/2012 Mazda 3 Grand Touring
/3rd Mazda
/couldn't be happier with it
 
2012-08-13 09:51:22 PM
I didn't test drive the minivan I just bought, what's the point? Features sold the car that took my soul

/had to sell my Stage 3 S4, damn kids
 
2012-08-13 09:52:00 PM

Mmmrky:
One guy was almost in tears after I told him that if he contacted me I would never set foot in their dealership again. He called me.


Quit lying. You know you crumpled like a Democrat when the phone rang, and even went so far as to get the clearcoat rustoleum protection package AND the no-fog vanity mirror upgrade.
 
2012-08-13 09:52:19 PM

phaseolus: 1. Tall people can't buy cars without literally trying them on for size -- if your head hits the roof or the top of the windshield is at chin level, or if there is no room for legs or knees or both feet, driving's just an exercise in sustained misery.

1.a. Yes I'm aware the seat reclines. I hate driving while reclining, it feels unnatural.

2. I love small cars. I can only afford economy cars. I've discovered that when you do your shopping in the lower priced market segments and the salesmen won't spend too many minutes being a pest.


i44.tinypic.com

But phaseolus, yo, he drives a car like this...
 
2012-08-13 09:52:42 PM
The fact that you buy a new car should be proof enough.
 
2012-08-13 09:53:03 PM
I wish car salesmen would learn that the customer's experience with the dealership is crucial to a sale. I shopped 15 or twenty different dealerships until I finally found one who knew his shiat, stayed away from the pressure sell, and treated me respectfully. I bought right away.

/Thanks, Bryan Fox!
//Oh, and FARK YOU, Billy Fuccillo!
 
2012-08-13 09:53:05 PM
I think that means the country is getting lazy and apathetic, subby.

But the country is getting "stupider" because of the religious right and their GOP butt-puppets.
 
2012-08-13 09:53:23 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Andy Thedjoprasetyono

I get wanted to stay anonymous, especially when your job is essentially to screw people over, but you could have just told them 'Smith.'


Or Gene Masseth, LOL!
 
2012-08-13 09:53:24 PM
I guess I'm one of these people that doesn't see the inherent value of a test drive. Bought a Scion FR-S last weekend without a test drive, didn't even as much as sit in one before I showed up at the dealership with cash in hand.

And you know what? Test driving that car wouldn't have made me wanted to buy it any more than I did. Doing research and talking with a friend that owned one did far more for me than sitting next to a salesman driving what would be my new car around for a few miles.

/Car had 2 miles on the odometer when I drove it home, presumably from the filling up the tank and them having it washed for me
//Told my best friend I would make babbies with the car if it had a uterus, I love it that much
//Prepares for the onslaught of the Toybaru twins haters
 
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