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(Entertainment Weekly)   Mel Gibson wonders why people don't like him. "It's kind of hard to pinpoint exactly what needs to be forgiven and I don't consider that anything does because I didn't hurt anyone." Then he smeared feces on the wall   (popwatch.ew.com) divider line 90
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2012-08-14 05:05:56 AM

browntimmy: I don't get where this Mel makes amazing movies stuff comes from. I was just looking at imdb, in over a 30 year career we've got Braveheart, Lethal Weapon, Mad Max, a couple okay ones like Apocalypto and Ransom, and then a whole shiat load of stinkers.

If you want a more talented asshole to laud over pick Russel Crowe.


And Crowe is just a general asshole, not a racist one.
 
2012-08-14 06:40:22 AM

omeganuepsilon: What if, say, a jewish person created a great movie about his faith and about how bad Hitler was.

What would you say to Germans who begin complaining loudly and blackballing that jewish guy from the industry?

Then, after years of being shunned and passively aggressively railroaded, this jewish guy gets drunk and goes and says something like "farking germans, started so many wars!", what would you say then?


You just compared Hitler to the jews for "killing" Christ? What a farking Moron.
 
2012-08-14 06:41:48 AM

Kurmudgeon: Really? I never heard of "blood libel" until I joined Fark way back when. I'm pretty sure I haven't been here for 2000 years.
/seems like it sometimes


So... your ignorance proves what, exactly?
 
2012-08-14 06:58:18 AM

liam76: You just compared Hitler to the jews for "killing" Christ? What a farking Moron.


Compared yes, said they're the same thing? Not so much.

Crucifixion isn't really the warm fuzzy thing you're pretending it to be though.
 
2012-08-14 07:06:28 AM

omeganuepsilon: liam76: You just compared Hitler to the jews for "killing" Christ? What a farking Moron.

Compared yes, said they're the same thing? Not so much.


Yeah, the comparison alone makes you a farking moron. A guy who directly led the effort to wipe out various groups of people and succeeded in industrial slaughter of 6 million jews, the likes of which had never been seen before or since in our hisroty doesn;t have fark all to do with the Jews and Christ.


omeganuepsilon: Crucifixion isn't really the warm fuzzy thing you're pretending it to be though


Where did I pretend it was a "warm adn fuzzy" thing?
 
2012-08-14 07:19:42 AM

liam76: omeganuepsilon: liam76: You just compared Hitler to the jews for "killing" Christ? What a farking Moron.

Compared yes, said they're the same thing? Not so much.

Yeah, the comparison alone makes you a farking moron. A guy who directly led the effort to wipe out various groups of people and succeeded in industrial slaughter of 6 million jews, the likes of which had never been seen before or since in our hisroty doesn;t have fark all to do with the Jews and Christ.


omeganuepsilon: Crucifixion isn't really the warm fuzzy thing you're pretending it to be though

Where did I pretend it was a "warm adn fuzzy" thing?


So, we should condemn the germans of today? Is that what you're telling me?

The point was the grudges held to this day, in either case, are not justifiable. Suffering a personal affront at a story about them is what is retarded, does nothing but re-open wounds... that most people of today never had.

Each film-maker(Mel and my scenerio) merely detail history and it's atrocities in their movies. Neither should suffer repercussions from that. If you don't see how that would grate on a person, I pity you.
 
2012-08-14 07:38:59 AM

omeganuepsilon: So, we should condemn the germans of today? Is that what you're telling me?


No. What I am telling you is that you are a farking moron for making that pants on the head retarted comparison, and every one of your statements is digging you deeper in the stupid hole.

Hitler deserves blame. You compared the Jews to Hitler, which means you think they deserve blame, and if you are going to blame an entire people for the act of a leader, then you would be the one blaming "germans" for the holocaust.



omeganuepsilon: The point was the grudges held to this day, in either case, are not justifiable. Suffering a personal affront at a story about them is what is retarded, does nothing but re-open wounds... that most people of today never had.


A grudge against hitler isn't justifiable?

The personal affront most people have with Mel are his racist rants.


omeganuepsilon: Each film-maker(Mel and my scenerio) merely detail history and it's atrocities in their movies. Neither should suffer repercussions from that. If you don't see how that would grate on a person, I pity you.


Here is the thing, he didn't detail history as understood by the Catholic Church (which he claims to be a member of). Which I didn't have a problem with. I enjoyed the movie, even though he portyrayed many jews with the "big noses", and in a negative light. I do however have a problem with Mel as given his rants, I don't think this was just an issue of trying to make a compelling movie, I think it is how he sees Jews.
 
2012-08-14 07:58:57 AM
I don't think he hates Jews. I think his hatred for some Jews overcomes the rest in his head when he's drunk & Mad Mel. I think he also admires some Jews. It's very nuanced, I think. He's hardly one-dimensional... there's hate in there, mixed with all other things Mad Mel. There's a brilliance to the madness.

One's opinion of Apocalypto tends to get clouded by that view of Mad Mel. Historical inaccuracies (OMFG RACIST!), his Christianity (even though the protagonist leaves that behind & shows no interest in the Xians in the film, unlike the bad guys) = those things make an amazing chase flick into something less. Yet who but Mad Mel would do that movie? In Yucatec Mayan?

I would have watched a Mad Mel movie about the Maccabees. It would have been brilliant, I'm sure.

/Braveheart... like, where did that come from? Totally unexpected when Mad Mel cranked that out, back in the day. Boggles the mind.
 
2012-08-14 08:00:32 AM

liam76: You compared the Jews to Hitler, which means you think they deserve blame


Wrong, I compare their acts.

liam76: A grudge against hitler isn't justifiable?


He's farking dead you idiot, so no. Also, I meant a grudge against germans. (a very real thing for some people, still today).

liam76: I don't think this was just an issue of trying to make a compelling movie, I think it is how I pretend that he sees Jews.


A less than verbose inebriated person makes a slur against people, some of which affected his life and career in a negative way. That is all you've seen.

Newsflash: People often act out when they're hurt, often in embarrassing ways, even to the point of saying things they really don't feel.

True,
Mel Gibson has some issues, probably severe, but people digging into what his anger before the fact rants really mean, are a bit of the pants on head variety themselves. People do stupid shiat when they're drunk and/or emotionally distressed. Sure hold him accountable, but don't read into it and exaggerate it because you want to hate someone and make yourself look virtuous by comparison.

Something something glass house.
 
2012-08-14 08:14:43 AM
Meh.

Mel made a few food movies once. Then he let the booze get the better of him, he went loony, and doesn't make good movies any more. Even if he did, I'd probably be too distracted by memories of his racist, misogynist rants to enjoy the movie.

Besides, there are much more interesting people to be talking about.

For instance, Mila Kunis is crazy hot, really funny, and can stuff her fist in her mouth.
 
2012-08-14 08:15:33 AM
/few GOOD movies, that is
//really need to proofread betterer
 
2012-08-14 08:34:17 AM
Mel Gibson's problems go WAAAAY beyond his hatred of Jews. His problem centers around his desire to be forgiven for being a complete tool who demands special treatment from others without caring about their feelings. We call those people dicks, assbags, assholes, self-centered jerks, etc.

Since he's one of those things, he gets to live with the label. It's fortunate, because he really likes labels. He loves to scream and shout the most offensive and hateful things that come into his mind. And he thinks that everything will be cool when it's over.

He made a few great movies, but it went to his head and now he's unlikeable.
 
2012-08-14 08:37:42 AM

ChaoticLimbs: His problem centers around his desire to be forgiven for being a complete tool who demands special treatment from others without caring about their feelings


He has gotten special treatment. How many big studio movies has he been in since his little rant?
 
2012-08-14 08:38:16 AM

omeganuepsilon: Wrong, I compare their acts.


Really, "What if, say, a jewish person created a great movie about his faith and about how bad Hitler was." What is the equivalent to Hitler in your little comparison here?


omeganuepsilon: He's farking dead you idiot, so no.


People can't hold grudges against dead peopel? Really?


omeganuepsilon: Also, I meant a grudge against germans. (a very real thing for some people, still today) .


And I explaind that you were the one justifying a grudge against Germans in your stupid comparison.

A very real thing? Yes I recall all those anti-German hate groups running around.

omeganuepsilon: A less than verbose inebriated person makes a slur against people, some of which affected his life and career in a negative way. That is all you've seen.


He made slurs against people he has portrayed in movies in a very negative light. Things start to add up, well at least they start to add up to people who don't compare jews with Hitler.
 
2012-08-14 08:57:18 AM

Pyro Messiah: Yes, we get it. You're victims. Thanks for the reminder.

The thing about TPOTC is, everybody other than the Romans in that movie are Jewish. According to the story, Jesus was set up to be killed by one particular group of peope known as the Pharisees. Yes, they were Jews. But so are all the good guys in the movie.

/That doesn't support your victim complex though
//Sorry


I'm not Jewish, and I don't have a victim complex.
 
2012-08-14 09:01:52 AM

liam76: omeganuepsilon: Wrong, I compare their acts.

Really, "What if, say, a jewish person created a great movie about his faith and about how bad Hitler was." What is the equivalent to Hitler in your little comparison here?


omeganuepsilon: He's farking dead you idiot, so no.

People can't hold grudges against dead peopel? Really?


omeganuepsilon: Also, I meant a grudge against germans. (a very real thing for some people, still today) .

And I explaind that you were the one justifying a grudge against Germans in your stupid comparison.

A very real thing? Yes I recall all those anti-German hate groups running around.

omeganuepsilon: A less than verbose inebriated person makes a slur against people, some of which affected his life and career in a negative way. That is all you've seen.

He made slurs against people he has portrayed in movies in a very negative light. Things start to add up, well at least they start to add up to people who don't compare jews with Hitler.


you both should just shut up and blow me.
 
2012-08-14 09:37:50 AM

Mugato: logistic: God forbid someone not like Jews.

Well, you're not wrong. I'm not saying that Mel Gibson isn't a douchebag but drug and rape a 13 year old girl? Why are you talking about old shiat? Get convicted of getting blown by a 12 year old boy? Big time producer Joel Silver will still work with you. Just don't be farking stupid enough to talk shiat about the Jews, not in Hollywood unless you want to produce your own films.


I got the Roman reference, but who's the second dude?
 
2012-08-14 09:51:57 AM

reverend maynard: I got the Roman reference, but who's the second dude?


Victor Salva
 
2012-08-14 11:42:58 AM

browntimmy: I don't get where this Mel makes amazing movies stuff comes from. I was just looking at imdb, in over a 30 year career we've got Braveheart, Lethal Weapon, Mad Max, a couple okay ones like Apocalypto and Ransom, and then a whole shiat load of stinkers.

If you want a more talented asshole to laud over pick Russel Crowe.


Apocalypto is better than just ok
 
2012-08-14 11:46:23 AM

omeganuepsilon: shivashakti: logistic: God forbid someone not like Jews. Who gives a shiat? If he had said his problem lie with Asians, it would never have made the news. I'm kinda thinking there's bigger things going on in the world than what one Australian thinks of one group of people that harassed the fark out of him during the release of one of his films.

Yeah, I mean, what could happen to the Jews if people start talking about how they're evil, Christ-killers or stuff like that? I mean, it's not like some crazy bastard could get into power and start killing six million of them or anything.

What if, say, a jewish person created a great movie about his faith and about how bad Hitler was.

What would you say to Germans who begin complaining loudly and blackballing that jewish guy from the industry?

Then, after years of being shunned and passively aggressively railroaded, this jewish guy gets drunk and goes and says something like "farking germans, started so many wars!", what would you say then?


You just described every Holocaust film ever, from Diary of Anne Frank to Schindler's List and Life is Beautiful. And most of us don't have to be drunk to complain about the Germans starting so many wars. Most Germans will complain about how their ancestors started so many wars and ruined it for the rest of them.

Of course, if you have Germans staying in your hotel, it is just considered polite not to mention the War. I did it once but I think I got away with it.
 
2012-08-14 12:04:48 PM

soporific:
Of course, if you have Germans staying in your hotel, it is just considered polite not to mention the War. I did it once but I think I got away with it.


Had a German faculty member here and he did not problem talking about it, but then he had a Ph.D. in chemistry so he was a little more rational than most. For him it seemed to be a "that was *that* generation of German people, not mine" way of looking at it.

(And he had served in the German military.)
 
2012-08-14 12:08:24 PM

soporific:

Of course, if you have Germans staying in your hotel, it is just considered polite not to mention the War. I did it once but I think I got away with it.


Actually, the context the topic came up in, half the U.S. being duped into invading Iraq and some of the more disgusting abridgements and abuses of human rights, it wasn't like anyone was getting judgmental in that conversation. No, Iraq wasn't the Holocaust, but he could discuss a populace being led down the primrose path by their elected leaders.
 
2012-08-14 12:32:52 PM
Have an opinion about other people = ZOMG you're a horrible person! We don't want your kind here!!!!

Rape an underage girl = Man is an artistic genius and should be forgiven.
 
2012-08-14 12:42:56 PM
1) The man knows how to tell a story on film.

B) Gotta respect Jodie Foster for not going with the trend and, if not defending him, supporting him.

In the third place - Edge of Darkness wasn't too bad.
 
2012-08-14 12:47:12 PM
(reads through thread)

I don't want to live on this planet any more....
 
2012-08-14 05:02:51 PM
"Get the Gringo" was a good movie. This guy may be crazy, but he still can make a decent film.
 
2012-08-14 05:33:50 PM

Evenbiggerknickers: you both should just shut up and blow me.


Well played. Enough so that I'll drop that specific tangent.

/still hold my stance though
//a few off-color words when drunk or under heavy stress don't define anyone

AlHarris31: "Get the Gringo" was a good movie. This guy may be crazy, but he still can make a decent film.


It was good, a shame it wasn't publicized much. Standard action fare, but good.
 
2012-08-14 06:56:06 PM

AlHarris31: "Get the Gringo" was a good movie. This guy may be crazy, but he still can make a decent film.


I've never heard of it
 
2012-08-14 07:15:11 PM

Crewmannumber6: AlHarris31: "Get the Gringo" was a good movie. This guy may be crazy, but he still can make a decent film.

I've never heard of it


It came out earlier this year, but I don't think it was released in theaters. It may have been a video on demand thing. If you can find it, its worth a rental. I really enjoyed it.
 
2012-08-14 07:39:43 PM

logistic: God forbid someone not like Jews. Who gives a shiat?


Clearly not you, but I find it hard to appreciate an actor when I know that he's a bigot. Maybe if Gibson had some kind of unique talent or was producing Great Works of Art (tm), I'd be willing to make allowances, but it's not like there's not a ton of actors who can do just as well as he can in a given role so, fark him, why do we need him? I'm sure that there's plenty of deserving actors out there who aren't carrying a fraction of his baggage.
 
2012-08-15 12:09:26 AM

bulok: Have an opinion about other people = ZOMG you're a horrible person! We don't want your kind here!!!!

Rape an underage girl = Man is an artistic genius and should be forgiven.


Oooh that's good. Racists aren't racist and misogynists aren't misogynist, they just "have an opinion".
 
2012-08-15 12:59:09 AM

browntimmy: bulok: Have an opinion about other people = ZOMG you're a horrible person! We don't want your kind here!!!!

Rape an underage girl = Man is an artistic genius and should be forgiven.

Oooh that's good. Racists aren't racist and misogynists aren't misogynist, they just "have an opinion".


Since you missed the boat on that one...
What he's saying, is Mel "the racist" gets vilified terribly...while Roman Polanski gets worshipped.
 
2012-08-15 12:45:06 PM

omeganuepsilon: browntimmy: bulok: Have an opinion about other people = ZOMG you're a horrible person! We don't want your kind here!!!!

Rape an underage girl = Man is an artistic genius and should be forgiven.

Oooh that's good. Racists aren't racist and misogynists aren't misogynist, they just "have an opinion".

Since you missed the boat on that one...
What he's saying, is Mel "the racist" gets vilified terribly...while Roman Polanski gets worshipped.


Um, yeah, there was no way to miss his point, I just found the first part hilariously disingenuous. But you were very helpful.
 
2012-08-15 05:01:22 PM

browntimmy: I just found the first part hilariously disingenuous.


I don't see it that way. It is the trend on fark, indeed, society, to treat everyone with the unpopular opinion as the scum of the earth, be it celeb or fellow poster. Reference being the Penn and Teller episode I posted earlier. Some people tend to have this belief that they can dictate what others say and even think according to their own proprieties. That's what democracy means to them, their right to not be offended by others, even if it has to be limiting that that other person's rights as if they don't count at all as human. You know who else thought some people didn't deserve rights?

I think it's a very apt way of wording what's going on.
 
2012-08-15 07:31:37 PM
Except no one is saying Mel should be in jail because he hates Jews. How are people limiting Mel's rights by calling him an asshole and not wanting to work with him? He's allowed free speech, but we're not allowed to respond?
 
2012-08-15 08:36:56 PM

browntimmy: Except no one is saying Mel should be in jail because he hates Jews. How are people limiting Mel's rights by calling him an asshole and not wanting to work with him? He's allowed free speech, but we're not allowed to respond?


Nice straw man. I wasn't talking about any actual "rights".

Read it again, in context of the post itself, and indeed, the rest of the thread.

If you're not smart or empathetic enough to understand after doing that, there's no sense in continuing the discussion. I am only able to help with ignorance, not your shortcomings that limit your ability to understand.
 
2012-08-16 01:09:30 AM

omeganuepsilon: If you're not smart or empathetic enough to understand after doing that, there's no sense in continuing the discussion. I am only able to help with ignorance, not your shortcomings that limit your ability to understand.


Wow, someone's full of horseshiat today.

/gotta love the types that proclaim they're smarter than everyone without ever actually proving it.
 
2012-08-16 01:51:04 AM

browntimmy: omeganuepsilon: If you're not smart or empathetic enough to understand after doing that, there's no sense in continuing the discussion. I am only able to help with ignorance, not your shortcomings that limit your ability to understand.

Wow, someone's full of horseshiat today.

/gotta love the types that proclaim they're smarter than everyone without ever actually proving it.


Just you.

Now I proclaimed it. Before, I only thought it was a possibility, there are many reasons for you not understanding...(second language, inebriation, etc) But thanks for clearing it up, now I know to not reply to you further.
 
2012-08-16 03:51:30 AM
Yep, that's pretty much the exact response I was predicting.
 
2012-08-16 01:03:20 PM

browntimmy: /gotta love the types that proclaim they're smarter than everyone without ever actually proving it.


Is that what you do, go around all day proving to people that you're smarter than them? You sound like a barrel of laughs.
 
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