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(NYPost)   It's not news; It's CNN. No, really, it's not news   (nypost.com) divider line 151
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2012-08-13 03:01:54 PM  
While I'm sure CNN will fark this up, I really wish people wouldn't blanket statement the term "reality show".

What Anthony Bourdain does is different than Jersey Shore or Bad Girls Club.
 
2012-08-13 03:10:20 PM  
How about they go back to covering news instead of reading from Twitter?
 
2012-08-13 03:16:41 PM  

rynthetyn: How about they go back to covering news instead of reading from Twitter?


They only have to hang on through November. Then it's either bailout ("too big to fail") or bankruptcy ("Damn! We guessed wrong about presenting editorials as news")
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-13 03:31:17 PM  
The funny thing is that the article is on the NY Post.
 
2012-08-13 03:50:05 PM  

vpb: The funny thing is that the article is on the NY Post.


Well, they are the "not news" experts.
 
2012-08-13 03:58:08 PM  
Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?
 
2012-08-13 03:59:41 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?


You didn't RTFA, did you?
 
2012-08-13 04:01:48 PM  
Especially if you have the CNN news app.... bad enough I was getting way more Olympics "breaking news" reports than needed, but the topper was an "alert" that the "Olympics have been officially marked completed by whomever the head guy is". REALLY? I need an alert that the Olympics ended?
 
2012-08-13 04:07:54 PM  

dletter: Especially if you have the CNN news app.... bad enough I was getting way more Olympics "breaking news" reports than needed, but the topper was an "alert" that the "Olympics have been officially marked completed by whomever the head guy is". REALLY? I need an alert that the Olympics ended?


I got that same alert from the AP app.
 
2012-08-13 04:26:49 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?


that sounds sooooo booooooring
 
2012-08-13 04:31:31 PM  
There are a lot of websites and TV shows that commonly state they aren't news, and they provide more news than CNN.
 
2012-08-13 04:56:14 PM  

MacEnvy: Well, they are the "not news" experts.


Drew would like a word with you.
 
2012-08-13 05:04:45 PM  

Friskya: MacEnvy: Well, they are the "not news" experts.

Drew would like a word with you.


NY Post has seniority, at least.
 
2012-08-13 05:09:23 PM  
I wouldn't expect anything better from the Clinton News Network.
 
2012-08-13 05:09:35 PM  
I wonder if this headline will be on the Daily Show tonight, or tomorrow?
 
2012-08-13 05:09:40 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?


Try and emulate Fox News.
 
2012-08-13 05:11:25 PM  
Pretty much going to drop the same comment in here that I just left in TFA but hey:

Well, TLC no longer stands for The Learning Channel, A&E used to give us Arts & Entertainment and the History Channel at least would give us old reels of WWII to watch. Now its about Cake Bosses, prostitots, Ice Road Truckers, and human clown cars. So why WOULDN'T Cable News Network abandon the news?
 
2012-08-13 05:14:08 PM  
I hope they put on Ow, My Balls!
 
2012-08-13 05:16:06 PM  
This is why I removed CNN from my rss feed. I got tired of all the useless celebrity video links clogging it up.
 
2012-08-13 05:16:12 PM  
Don't forget HLN, which I've given up on entirely, and the Weather Channel, which I still have some hope for. At least they are willing to preempt their reality shows at the first sign of real severe weather.
 
2012-08-13 05:16:21 PM  
And with their "premier" newsperson, Fahreed Zacarias now in deep shiat, their credibility will be tarnished, making it that much harder for them be relevant...

downstairs: While I'm sure CNN will fark this up, I really wish people wouldn't blanket statement the term "reality show".

What Anthony Bourdain does is different than Jersey Shore or Bad Girls Club.


yeah....the Jersey Shore and Bad Girls Club cast aren't nearly as self-important or pretentious as that douchnozzle Bourdain...
 
2012-08-13 05:17:05 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?


See, this is like the old "MTV should play music videos again" argument. No, they shouldn't, because no one cares about getting their news from TV any longer. Those people that do still watch TV for their news don't really want news, they just want Fox News to tell them that everything they believe is right, and all their problems are someone else's fault.
 
2012-08-13 05:17:08 PM  
CNN International does quite a bit of this already. Let's see, off the top of my head...

CNN Business Traveler (starring cartoon butler Richard Quest)
Living Golf
Mainsail (about sailing)
Open Court (about tennis)
CNNGo (travel show they already have; think The Layover, but worse)

Any one of which, when aired, gets the same sized timeslot as Christiane Amanpour interviewing, say, Hamid Karzai, or Aung Sun Suu Kyi.
 
2012-08-13 05:17:29 PM  
Convinced that its current programming badly needs updating

Isn't this bad English? Shouldn't it be "needs to be updated"? Sounds so freaking yokel the way they have it. It's the way my in-laws from Missouri talk
 
2012-08-13 05:18:21 PM  
They're looking for celebrities willing to talk politics for a late-night talk show?

How will they ever find a liberal celebrity willing to talk politics?
 
2012-08-13 05:19:21 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?


And they need to stop it with the lame weekend specials like Black in America or their Heroes series. How about actual investigative news like what 60 Minutes does.
 
2012-08-13 05:20:11 PM  

bhcompy: Convinced that its current programming badly needs updating

Isn't this bad English? Shouldn't it be "needs to be updated"? Sounds so freaking yokel the way they have it. It's the way my in-laws from Missouri talk


Or even worse, "needs updated"
 
2012-08-13 05:20:16 PM  

dletter: but the topper was an "alert" that the "Olympics have been officially marked completed by whomever the head guy is". REALLY? I need an alert that the Olympics ended?


I get text alerts from them, and yeah... that was great. A scheduled event is not breaking news!
 
2012-08-13 05:20:20 PM  
News is like art.
It's up to the individual to decide if it's worthy of the lofty title.

Like my oil painting of a nude Edward R. Murrow chest-bumping Chewbacca.
 
2012-08-13 05:21:04 PM  

KatjaMouse: Pretty much going to drop the same comment in here that I just left in TFA but hey:

Well, TLC no longer stands for The Learning Channel, A&E used to give us Arts & Entertainment and the History Channel at least would give us old reels of WWII to watch. Now its about Cake Bosses, prostitots, Ice Road Truckers, and human clown cars. So why WOULDN'T Cable News Network abandon the news?


it's so sad, isn't it? as more people got more channels those channels became not worth watching. CNN is just another fine example of well paid professionals driving a car right off a cliff. it makes one wonder if there is some bizarre conspiracy to make certain anyone with a triple digit IQ will stop buying televisions.
 
2012-08-13 05:21:51 PM  
TV is dying, try not to pay too much attention to the corpse that's still twitching.
 
2012-08-13 05:22:02 PM  
The whole idea of 24 hour news channels is terrible. Right and Left leaning "news" channels are responsible for much of the mental illness in this country.

The sensationalism seems to have effected people in a way that they can no longer tell what is important from what is not. People now watch news for an endorphin rush.
 
2012-08-13 05:22:42 PM  
Well, it's working for FOX.
 
2012-08-13 05:23:01 PM  

moralpanic: And they need to stop it with the lame weekend specials like Black in America or their Heroes series. How about actual investigative news like what 60 Minutes does.


But no one would watch.

Oh, wait... 60 minutes still does very well.
 
2012-08-13 05:23:02 PM  

MorePeasPlease:

Like my oil painting of a nude Edward R. Murrow chest-bumping Chewbacca.


cdn.styleforum.net
 
2012-08-13 05:23:08 PM  
Can they at least hire some hot news readers so I have something to fap to?
 
2012-08-13 05:25:49 PM  
As a casual observer who didn't bother looking for spoilers my issue wasn't the tape delay. Mine was if you watch NBC you would think the Olympics consisted of only swimming and gymnastics and beach volleyball. I'd of liked to see a wider variety of sports being shown.
 
2012-08-13 05:25:59 PM  
What's hilarious is that after the AOL/Time Warner thing happened and then unwound, you can tell which group took on the AOL people... CNN.

The same garbage those AOL clowns did at AOL, they thought would be good ideas at CNN. Basically, CNN has become the news equivalent of the AOL homepage.
 
2012-08-13 05:26:45 PM  
What is with the idiot in the comments who keeps referring to the owner, Ted Turner? He hasn't owned CNN in well over a decade.
 
2012-08-13 05:26:45 PM  
"And now here's Honey Boo Boo, our Pakistan correspondent..."
 
2012-08-13 05:26:51 PM  
uh, wrong thread.. picture I said that in the Olympics thread...
 
2012-08-13 05:27:06 PM  

jayhawk88: See, this is like the old "MTV should play music videos again" argument. No, they shouldn't, because no one cares about getting their news from TV any longer. Those people that do still watch TV for their news don't really want news, they just want Fox News to tell them that everything they believe is right, and all their problems are someone else's fault.


The same thing could be said about people who watch MSNBC. They want to blame others for failures in life.

It's the same recipe -- just different ingredients.

But the problem with online media is that people pick and choose what they read. And they tend to read what supports their beliefs.
 
2012-08-13 05:29:18 PM  
MTV = reality programming revolving around people you'd not waste a cup of water on if they were on fire
Food Network = contests/reality programming mostly revolving around cake
History Channel = reality programming for hard working Rednecks
Sci-FI Channel aka "Syfy" = no clue anymore
Weather Channel = reality programming pretending to be human interest stories

Why would CNN be about news? Duh.
 
2012-08-13 05:30:17 PM  
Everything is right on schedule for the 2016 Presidential nomination process, for both parties, to be a Reality TV Show
 
2012-08-13 05:34:13 PM  

hdhale: MTV = reality programming revolving around people you'd not waste a cup of water on if they were on fire
Food Network = contests/reality programming mostly revolving around cake
History Channel = reality programming for hard working Rednecks
Sci-FI Channel aka "Syfy" = no clue anymore
Weather Channel = reality programming pretending to be human interest stories

Why would CNN be about news? Duh.


If CNN wiggled in a few porn reality programs, they'd be back in the black in no time.
 
2012-08-13 05:34:35 PM  
I try to watch CNN on weekends from time to time, but Fredricka Whitfield, Soledad Obrien and Don Lemon and so spectacuarly stupid and terrible anchors that it is just impossible. I don't need them to go the Fox route and bring only beauty queens, but finding competent anchors would be a start. I can't speak to the competency of their weekday anchors, but I'm assuming they're also terrible.
 
2012-08-13 05:34:36 PM  

KrispyKritter: it makes one wonder if there is some bizarre conspiracy to make certain anyone with a triple digit IQ will stop buying televisions.


Oh for Pete's sake, will people just stop with this 'the REALLY smart people don't watch television and it's going to die and all televisions in the whole world will be out on the curb any day now because of the Internet' claptrap? It's going to stay. It will. TV's a little more durable than vaudeville. There is intelligent viewing out there if you know where you're looking, and besides, even smart people want to take a load off and watch something dumb sometimes. I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period. I know full well that Wipeout is silly, stupid, people-fall-down-go-boom guilty pleasure material. I watch it anyway.
 
2012-08-13 05:35:41 PM  

rynthetyn: How about they go back to covering news instead of reading from Twitter?


Just let 'em go because man, they're gone.
 
2012-08-13 05:37:20 PM  

hdhale: MTV = reality programming revolving around people you'd not waste a cup of water on if they were on fire
Food Network = contests/reality programming mostly revolving around cake
History Channel = reality programming for hard working Rednecks
Sci-FI Channel aka "Syfy" = no clue anymore
Weather Channel = reality programming pretending to be human interest stories

Why would CNN be about news? Duh.


Just how much goddamn TV do you watch?

Yeah yeah yeah, we all know you only watch BBC news and documentaries.
 
2012-08-13 05:38:10 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I try to watch CNN on weekends from time to time, but Fredricka Whitfield, Soledad Obrien and Don Lemon and so spectacuarly stupid and terrible anchors that it is just impossible. I don't need them to go the Fox route and bring only beauty queens, but finding competent anchors would be a start. I can't speak to the competency of their weekday anchors, but I'm assuming they're also terrible.


Anderson Cooper. Also Sanjay Gupta. And the aforementioned Christiane Amanpour. There's also Kaj Larsen, who they recently grabbed off Current in the wake of Olbermann showing up, breaking the news division all to hell and then getting himself fired, leaving a smoking shell where a halfway decent network used to be.

I disagree with you on Soledad O'Brien, but that's your call.
 
2012-08-13 05:38:11 PM  

jayhawk88: I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?

See, this is like the old "MTV should play music videos again" argument. No, they shouldn't, because no one cares about getting their news from TV any longer. Those people that do still watch TV for their news don't really want news, they just want Fox News to tell them that everything they believe is right, and all their problems are someone else's fault.


Not true. I don't need my breaking headlines from the television, but having in-depth pieces and analysis is still nice. The news apps mostly give you a tiny selection of highly truncated stories, the websites aren't great on in-depth video and are overwhelmed with Entertainment "news". CNN needs to go back to doing it's damn job and stop with the iReports BS and headlines like "Are you a Compulsive Ice Chewer?"

Honestly the best news coverage in the US is still the BBC.
 
2012-08-13 05:40:39 PM  

Gosling: Oh for Pete's sake, yadda yadda


Muthafuggin' THIS
 
2012-08-13 05:41:05 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: I try to watch CNN on weekends from time to time, but Fredricka Whitfield, Soledad Obrien and Don Lemon and so spectacuarly stupid and terrible anchors that it is just impossible. I don't need them to go the Fox route and bring only beauty queens, but finding competent anchors would be a start. I can't speak to the competency of their weekday anchors, but I'm assuming they're also terrible.


I work from home and sometimes have CNN on in the background.

Weekday yes. Terribly. Prime time, Anderson Cooper is good.
 
2012-08-13 05:41:29 PM  

LaraAmber: Honestly the best news coverage in the US is still the BBC.


I presented nicely. But it's hard for me to trust a news reporting organization that is owned by a government,.
 
2012-08-13 05:42:55 PM  

downstairs: Weekday yes. Terribly. Prime time, Anderson Cooper is good.


No daytime Anderson Cooper for you?
 
2012-08-13 05:43:59 PM  
I gave up on CNN when they did that iReport thing.
 
2012-08-13 05:44:26 PM  

uber humper: downstairs: Weekday yes. Terribly. Prime time, Anderson Cooper is good.

No daytime Anderson Cooper for you?


Uhhhhh.... hell no! I prefer to pretend that show doesn't exist.

*puts fingers in ears*
 
2012-08-13 05:45:29 PM  

BMFPitt: I gave up on CNN when they did that iReport thing.


Yeah, this. Lets see... send a seasoned journalist out there via sattelite, or just hope some gawker gets it on their iPhone and sends it to us for free?
 
2012-08-13 05:46:05 PM  

downstairs: uber humper: downstairs: Weekday yes. Terribly. Prime time, Anderson Cooper is good.

No daytime Anderson Cooper for you?

Uhhhhh.... hell no! I prefer to pretend that show doesn't exist.

*puts fingers in ears*


He should be ashamed of himself. I thought that format went out in the 1990's. It's like creating Yahoo all over again.
 
2012-08-13 05:47:06 PM  
I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.
 
2012-08-13 05:48:50 PM  

uber humper: He should be ashamed of himself. I thought that format went out in the 1990's. It's like creating Yahoo all over again.


Exactly. If anything, he should be doing more 60 Minutes bits.
 
2012-08-13 05:51:00 PM  
At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, the heart of CNN went away when people like Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff left.

And Wolf Blitzer has the worst diction in the world.

Fareed Zakaria was the best thing on CNN, but now his cred is in doubt.
 
2012-08-13 05:52:13 PM  
Ok, good. CNN is toast. The only thing America needs now is a 'Der Sturmer' channel to REALLY reel in the audience.
 
2012-08-13 05:52:13 PM  

coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.


I've read a few of your posts and very rarely agree with you -- but I'll agree with you about A-J.
 
2012-08-13 05:55:01 PM  

LessO2: Fareed Zakaria was the best thing on CNN, but now his cred is in doubt.


Yeah, I'm hoping that's the last time he'll ever end up with plagiarism on his hands. A lesser journalist would have seen their career come to a screeching halt on that. He's otherwise good enough to where he can still recover from it, but that was a hack mistake that he's better than to make.
 
2012-08-13 05:56:08 PM  
CNN: "mitt romney allegedly raped a baby today. we'll give you more on a candidate/rapist in a bit. But first, a hard-hitting expose on barack obama: Most awesome president ever, or TOO awesome for america?"
 
2012-08-13 05:58:24 PM  
So have fewer channels. You add a new programming niche and all you get is a reduced slice of advertising. Since each channel has a smaller audience, there is less revenue to return into program creation. So everything ends up being a fawning reality show, less because of taste and more because there's no budget.

So consolidate MTV, CNN, The Weather Channel, and the Cartoon Network.

Real Music Videos and Classic Cartoons all day long. None of that reality programming shiat. No commentary or pundits. No shrieking divas. No farking rap shiat. No artless harlots just spreading their buttcheeks to a disco beat. None of that Speed Racer hipster shiat. Scooby Doo sucked cawk in the 70s, still sucks cawk now.

Just Bugs Bunny and Wiley Coyote and Animaniacs and ZZ Top and Pearl Jam. Three minute local weather on the hour. Three minute national news on the half hour.

I'd watch the fook out of that.
 
2012-08-13 06:01:02 PM  
I've got it...a Point/Counterpoint show with Jack Cafferty and Jeanne Moos!
 
2012-08-13 06:02:33 PM  

Gosling: KrispyKritter: it makes one wonder if there is some bizarre conspiracy to make certain anyone with a triple digit IQ will stop buying televisions.

Oh for Pete's sake, will people just stop with this 'the REALLY smart people don't watch television and it's going to die and all televisions in the whole world will be out on the curb any day now because of the Internet' claptrap? It's going to stay. It will. TV's a little more durable than vaudeville. There is intelligent viewing out there if you know where you're looking, and besides, even smart people want to take a load off and watch something dumb sometimes. I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period. I know full well that Wipeout is silly, stupid, people-fall-down-go-boom guilty pleasure material. I watch it anyway.


I don't know about smart people, but I know the industry is continuing to shed TV patrons. No doubt it will take time, but the writing is on the wall for the packaged high priced provider. They don't offer either high enough quality nor diverse enough content to justify $80 a month basic digital. The only thing I hear from most people is sports.
 
2012-08-13 06:04:47 PM  

Tyranicle: Ok, good. CNN is toast. The only thing America needs now is a 'Der Sturmer' channel to REALLY reel in the audience.


CNN's reverting to the historical mean. Before 60 Minutes, news was not supposed to make money or grab ratings as a thing. News does not pull ratings. News does not make money. News is a loss leader. Good journalism provides prestige to the rest of the media empire.

Seriously. CNN, MSNBC and Fox News keep dickwaving their ratings against each other, but... go compare them to cable as a whole and then see where they all stand. You rarely see their ratings compared to the ratings of non-news networks, and that's because all three stack up terribly. But because cable news has managed to segregate its ratings into a theoretical pocket dimension of suck, Fox News is treated as some sort of juggernaut solely because they get better ratings than CNN and MSNBC, and CNN and MSNBC are treated as flailing dying corpses solely because they get worse ratings than Fox News.
 
2012-08-13 06:05:12 PM  
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2012-08-13 06:06:29 PM  

letrole: So have fewer channels. You add a new programming niche and all you get is a reduced slice of advertising. Since each channel has a smaller audience, there is less revenue to return into program creation. So everything ends up being a fawning reality show, less because of taste and more because there's no budget.

So consolidate MTV, CNN, The Weather Channel, and the Cartoon Network.

Real Music Videos and Classic Cartoons all day long. None of that reality programming shiat. No commentary or pundits. No shrieking divas. No farking rap shiat. No artless harlots just spreading their buttcheeks to a disco beat. None of that Speed Racer hipster shiat. Scooby Doo sucked cawk in the 70s, still sucks cawk now.

Just Bugs Bunny and Wiley Coyote and Animaniacs and ZZ Top and Pearl Jam. Three minute local weather on the hour. Three minute national news on the half hour.

I'd watch the fook out of that.


That's the way I feel about it. These BS commentators are there to fill time. Stations devoted to 24 hour news have too much time to burn.

If it makes you feel any better, cable news will be going the route of broadcast news. The younger generation won't have anything to do with it. Just like I have never watched ABC, CBS, NBC news -- because it's for old people; the next generation won't watch cable news. And I'm all for it. It's manipulative crap. All of it!
 
2012-08-13 06:07:15 PM  

I Browse: I've got it...a Point/Counterpoint show with Jack Cafferty and Jeanne Moos!


Abe Simpson yelling at a cloud versus fat woman trying to be Leno.
 
2012-08-13 06:11:04 PM  
By the way, for a package of good journalists, look at this (hotlinked) picture:

www.jackarcher.com

That was Current's Vanguard team circa 2009. All five of these people kick ass. From left, and I've already mentioned two of them:

Kaj Larsen (now with CNN, does CNN Presents)
Mariana van Zeller (now with National Geographic)
Laura Ling (now with E!, does E! Investigates)
Christof Putzel (still with Current)
Adam Yamaguchi (still with Current)
 
2012-08-13 06:11:26 PM  
I remember when it was news every half hour. I like that on the radio. Don't care for opinion, just news.
Unfortunately that model wouldn't work today. We have the Internet, and I use Google news as an aggregator. TV news is done, except perhaps for local programming.

The Internet has devalued music, most TV, news, just about all information, and made it available to everyone. Sort of the common, human goal I think, but where there is no revenue, it may go through some sort of cycle. Media formats die, then someone starts something in the vacuum??

Someone stop Brokaw from talking anymore. Its so low and slow, he is going to start breaking glass or attracting elephants.
 
2012-08-13 06:12:32 PM  

Gosling: Tyranicle: Ok, good. CNN is toast. The only thing America needs now is a 'Der Sturmer' channel to REALLY reel in the audience.

CNN's reverting to the historical mean. Before 60 Minutes, news was not supposed to make money or grab ratings as a thing. News does not pull ratings. News does not make money. News is a loss leader. Good journalism provides prestige to the rest of the media empire.

Seriously. CNN, MSNBC and Fox News keep dickwaving their ratings against each other, but... go compare them to cable as a whole and then see where they all stand. You rarely see their ratings compared to the ratings of non-news networks, and that's because all three stack up terribly. But because cable news has managed to segregate its ratings into a theoretical pocket dimension of suck, Fox News is treated as some sort of juggernaut solely because they get better ratings than CNN and MSNBC, and CNN and MSNBC are treated as flailing dying corpses solely because they get worse ratings than Fox News.


Fox News was second in total viewing in primetime for the second consecutive week among advertising supported basic cable networks (excludes Disney) trailing only USA Network. That's the first time that's happened since the Japan earthquake over a year ago (2/28/11-3/13/11, 3/14/11-3/20/11) and there wasn't a huge news story fueling it this time around. Also the landscape is a bit different this year with TBS being fueled by reruns of The Big Bang Theory and Fox News still managed to average a hundred thousand more viewers in primetime for the week (1.875 million vs. 1.774 million).

Meanwhile in primetime viewership CNN was all the way down at #35 for the week averaging just 512,000 viewers, trailing fox by nearly 1.4 million viewers and even trailing #27 MSNBC's 728,000 viewers by a wide margin.
Fox News #2 In Ad-Supported Basic Cable Primetime Viewers for Second Consecutive Week; CNN Left in the Dust
 
2012-08-13 06:13:46 PM  

coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.


Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...
 
2012-08-13 06:14:44 PM  

Gosling: You rarely see their ratings compared to the ratings of non-news networks, and that's because all three stack up terribly.


They get the viewers, FOX especially, but the problem is they're all old. BillO can sometimes barely crack the 18-49 cable top 100, rarely some other FOX people on a big news day.

On Thursday, BillO got 2.6 million total viewers, but only a 0.2 demographic rating. That total number is pretty good, beating some well known cable shows like Project Runway, but PR gets a 0.7 rating. Even shows like Conan and sitcom repeats with less than a million total viewers can blow away BillO in the 18-49 demographic
 
2012-08-13 06:15:50 PM  

Gosling: Mariana van Zeller (now with National Geographic)


Nat Geo has gone to hell with American Gipsy and the border patrol shiate. There are alot of hardcore researchers, who devoted their life to National Geographic, are rolling in their graves.

Running those shows, is like a nun turning tricks on the side. Except I might watch that.
 
2012-08-13 06:17:16 PM  
CNN's never been great, but it seems like they've taken a giant dip downwards ever since I stopped getting cable and therefore stopped watched it... from what I've heard.

/not my fault
//sorry guys
 
2012-08-13 06:20:57 PM  

uber humper: Gosling: Mariana van Zeller (now with National Geographic)

Nat Geo has gone to hell with American Gipsy and the border patrol shiate. There are alot of hardcore researchers, who devoted their life to National Geographic, are rolling in their graves.

Running those shows, is like a nun turning tricks on the side. Except I might watch that.


Here is a link to one of van Zeller's Nat Geo reports. You judge for yourself.
 
2012-08-13 06:21:22 PM  
It's almost as if cable is hardly worth paying $120-$150 a month for.
 
2012-08-13 06:22:39 PM  

thomps: I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?

that sounds sooooo booooooring


I'd be just as glad to go back to the Olden Days when there were only three news stations, nobody had to jostle for ratings and advertising, and we actually got NEWS instead of this "fair & balanced" crap.
 
2012-08-13 06:23:41 PM  

InmanRoshi: It's almost as if cable is hardly worth paying $120-$150 a month for.


$96 and change after tax for me for basic ~100 channel cable, HD and DVR, and 10/1 internet.
 
2012-08-13 06:25:40 PM  
www.capitolcommentary.com
 
2012-08-13 06:26:52 PM  

Gosling: uber humper: Gosling: Mariana van Zeller (now with National Geographic)

Nat Geo has gone to hell with American Gipsy and the border patrol shiate. There are alot of hardcore researchers, who devoted their life to National Geographic, are rolling in their graves.

Running those shows, is like a nun turning tricks on the side. Except I might watch that.

Here is a link to one of van Zeller's Nat Geo reports. You judge for yourself.


Thanks, I'll bookmark to watch later.

That's not my point. I'm saying that the brand Nat Geo has been cheapened by low-class filler -- ie. American Gipsy.
 
2012-08-13 06:29:17 PM  
Actually, van Zeller's done three documentaries for Nat Geo so far:

Narco Bling (the one I just linked to)
Sex for Sale: American Escort
Guerrilla Gold Rush (part 1, part 2, part 3)
 
2012-08-13 06:29:47 PM  

smitty04: [www.capitolcommentary.com image 704x547]


Advertisers don't give a fark about old people. And they have good reason to. My one set of grandparents died in the late 90's and their house was stuck in the 60s. My living grandparents house is stuck in the 80s. Old people don't buy a lot of big ticket stuff. Take a look at this, cable ratings from Thursday night.

NFL PRE-SEASON FOOTBALL L ESPN 8:00 PM 3386 1.4
Family Guy ADSM 11:30 PM 3122 1.2
Big Bang Theory, THE TBSC 9:30 PM 2918 1.2
Burn Notice USA 9:00 PM 4036 1.1
Suits USA 10:01 PM 3423 1.1
Family Guy ADSM 11:00 PM 2907 1.1
Big Bang Theory, THE TBSC 9:00 PM 2130 0.9
Anger Management FX 9:30 PM 2100 0.9
Big Bang Theory, THE TBSC 10:30 PM 1950 0.8
American Dad ADSM 10:30 PM 2336 0.8
Awkward SSN 2 MTV 10:31 PM 1815 0.8
SULLIVAN & SON TBSC 10:00 PM 1948 0.8
S OLY PM NBCSN 12:00 PM 2244 0.7
SNOOKI & JWOWW MTV 10:00 PM 1614 0.7
Project Runway LIF 9:00 PM 2027 0.7
SPORTSCENTER LATE L ESPN 11:13 PM 1364 0.7
American Dad ADSM 10:00 PM 2020 0.7
CHILDRENS HOSPITAL ADSM 12:00 AM 1636 0.7
Family Guy TBSC 8:30 PM 1313 0.6
Pawn Stars HIST 9:30 PM 2132 0.6
CAJUN JUSTICE AEN 10:30 PM 1440 0.6
CAJUN JUSTICE AEN 11:01 PM 1379 0.6
MONDAY NIGHT COUNTDOWN L ESPN 7:00 PM 1264 0.6
SpongeBob NICK 10:30 AM 3041 0.6
Anger Management FX 8:59 PM 1361 0.5
Pawn Stars HIST 9:00 PM 1938 0.5
CAJUN JUSTICE AEN 10:00 PM 1339 0.5
AFTER The First 48 AEN 9:00 PM 1307 0.5
SpongeBob NICK 5:30 PM 2753 0.5
FAIRLY ODD PARENTS NICK 11:00 AM 2929 0.5
SpongeBob NICK 10:00 AM 2604 0.5
SPORTSCENTER 12AM L ESPN 12:33 AM 920 0.5
NTSF:SD:SUV:: ADSM 12:15 AM 1257 0.5
Daily Show CMDY 11:00 PM 1374 0.5
Colbert Report CMDY 11:31 PM 1159 0.5
NCIS USA 8:00 PM 2548 0.5
SpongeBob NICK 4:30 PM 2460 0.5
Family Guy TBSC 8:00 PM 1082 0.5
TWO/HALF MEN FX 8:29 PM 1213 0.5
CAJUN JUSTICE AEN 11:31 PM 1079 0.4
Auction Kings DISC 9:00 PM 1249 0.4
Wilfred FX 10:00 PM 947 0.4
FRIENDS NAN 12:35 AM 1188 0.4
SpongeBob NICK 5:00 PM 2636 0.4
DOC MCSTUFFINS DSNY 9:30 AM 2091 0.4
KING OF THE HILL ADSM 9:30 PM 1361 0.4
TWO/HALF MEN FX 7:29 PM 977 0.4
MUSIC VIDEO DSNY 5:25 PM 2747 0.4
IMPACT WRESTLING SPIKE 8:00 PM 1210 0.4
Conan TBSC 11:00 PM 893 0.4
SpongeBob NICK 9:00 AM 2441 0.4
KING OF QUEENS TVL 12:00 AM 1026 0.4
KING OF QUEENS TVL 11:30 PM 1014 0.4
TWO/HALF MEN FX 7:59 PM 1163 0.4
MINNIES BOW-TOONS DSNY 9:25 AM 1879 0.4
VICTORIOUS NICK 6:00 PM 2339 0.4
NCIS USA 6:00 PM 1775 0.4
NCIS USA 7:00 PM 2160 0.4
NEVER LAND PIRATE BAND DSNY 9:55 AM 2040 0.4
MICKEY MOUSE CLUBHOUSE DSNY 9:00 AM 1909 0.4
FRIENDS TBSC 5:30 PM 903 0.4
WORLDS DUMBEST TRU 10:00 PM 902 0.4
Covert Affairs USA 11:02 PM 1186 0.4
KING OF QUEENS TBSC 6:30 PM 849 0.4
KING OF QUEENS TBSC 6:00 PM 839 0.4
SEINFELD TBSC 7:30 PM 960 0.4
GEORGE LOPEZ NAN 1:08 AM 1067 0.4
Louie FX 10:30 PM 703 0.4
NFL PRESEASON LIVE NFLN 7:30 PM 736 0.4
Good Luck Charlie DSNY 10:30 PM 2665 0.4
Pawn Stars HIST 8:30 PM 1505 0.4
HOUSE HUNTERS INTL HGTV 10:30 PM 1240 0.3
KING OF QUEENS TVL 12:38 AM 840 0.3
Chopped ALL-STARS FOOD 9:00 PM 1004 0.3
FRIENDS TBSC 5:00 PM 809 0.3
Pawn Stars HIST 8:00 PM 1288 0.3
TWO/HALF MEN FX 7:00 PM 870 0.3
Chopped ALL-STARS FOOD 10:00 PM 843 0.3
The First 48 AEN 7:00 PM 849 0.3
Auction Kings DISC 10:30 PM 857 0.3
Ancient Aliens HIST 7:00 PM 1065 0.3
WORLDS DUMBEST TRU 9:00 PM 858 0.3
Auction Kings DISC 10:00 PM 897 0.3
HOUSE HUNTERS HGTV 10:00 PM 1111 0.3
BEHIND MANSION WALLS ID 12:00 AM 822 0.3
SEINFELD TBSC 7:00 PM 823 0.3
The First 48 AEN 8:00 PM 877 0.3
Auction Kings DISC 8:30 PM 950 0.3
TOTALLY BIASED FX 11:00 PM 560 0.3
Chopped ALL-STARS FOOD 7:00 PM 819 0.3
EVIL TWINS ID 1:00 AM 774 0.3
Auction Kings DISC 9:30 PM 904 0.3
HOUSE HUNTERS INTL HGTV 11:30 PM 1054 0.3
HOUSE HUNTERS HGTV 11:00 PM 942 0.3
48 HOURS ON ID ID 2:00 AM 771 0.3
EVERYBODY LOVES RAYMOND TVL 10:30 PM 1010 0.3
EVIL TWINS ID 10:00 PM 860 0.3
BRAVO MOVIE BRVO 8:30 PM 887 0.3
GREAT LAKE WARRIORS HIST 10:00 PM 868 0.3
THE OREILLY FACTOR FOXNC 8:00 PM 2601 0.2

Look at all those shows that did better than BIllO in 18-49, and BillO does so much better than everyone else at FOX News.
 
2012-08-13 06:30:00 PM  
News and late night? Can't you combine the two? I mean, seriously, I know he'd be competition, but seriously, ask Jon Stewart for help. Or hell, just WATCH the daily show and blatantly rip it off. If you can execute it half as well as they can you can get a quality news program that might actually draw viewers. And for god's sake don't put it up against Stewart himself, he'll rip it to shreds. Put it on before or after him, just not at the same time.
 
Ehh
2012-08-13 06:31:02 PM  
hammettman: coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.

Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...


Every time I watch a minute or so of CNN in the morning when the BBC or Al-Jazeera is running a commercial or riding one of its hobby-horses, I just get angry quickly. CNN isn't news. It's propaganda mixed with BS mixed with a high school pep rally.

Next up: What somebody said about somebody else--what's your opinion? We have a collection of idiots to tell you what they think others will say.
 
2012-08-13 06:31:09 PM  

InmanRoshi: It's almost as if cable is hardly worth paying $120-$150 a month for.


Haha...nice.
 
2012-08-13 06:34:35 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I'd be just as glad to go back to the Olden Days when there were only three news stations, nobody had to jostle for ratings and advertising, and we actually got NEWS instead of this "fair & balanced" crap.


Unfortunately, that's not the way progress works. We will not regress to 3 stations that broadcast news a few times a day.

The future will be built more around social media. More user generated content, fewer professional pundits. And more aggregrators like Huffington Post and Drudge.
 
2012-08-13 06:35:39 PM  
Newsroom was really good last night.
 
2012-08-13 06:36:21 PM  

uber humper: Gyrfalcon: I'd be just as glad to go back to the Olden Days when there were only three news stations, nobody had to jostle for ratings and advertising, and we actually got NEWS instead of this "fair & balanced" crap.

Unfortunately, that's not the way progress works. We will not regress to 3 stations that broadcast news a few times a day.

The future will be built more around social media. More user generated content, fewer professional pundits. And more aggregrators like Huffington Post and Drudge.


I know that. I can dream can't I? The more news outlets become media-driven ratings generators, the less news we get, is all. Which is sad, because I used to love CNN for being nothing but a news channel.
 
2012-08-13 06:36:29 PM  

uber humper: That's not my point. I'm saying that the brand Nat Geo has been cheapened by low-class filler -- ie. American Gipsy.


Oh, I'm not disagreeing.

Here's the thing. TV has reached a point where comparing network to network isn't really always the best way to go. Neither is journalism; you can't go organization to organization as a whole. TV and journalism are both at a place where rooting for laundry is going to get you nowhere. Look for the individual performers; the proverbial names on the back of the jersey, not the name on the front. CNN might suck, but Anderson Cooper is good. MSNBC might suck, but Rachel Maddow is good. National Geographic might suck, but Mariana van Zeller is good. OWN might suck, but Lisa Ling is good.

We're in a DVR and hyperlink era. You can go straight to the good parts of any network and any news organization and leave the bad parts to suck in silence. Find the good journalists, then just follow them wherever they happen to migrate.
 
2012-08-13 06:38:53 PM  

Gosling: but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period


*raises hand*

Yeah. I'm boring :(.

*sulks off*
 
2012-08-13 06:39:46 PM  

Gyrfalcon: uber humper: Gyrfalcon: I'd be just as glad to go back to the Olden Days when there were only three news stations, nobody had to jostle for ratings and advertising, and we actually got NEWS instead of this "fair & balanced" crap.

Unfortunately, that's not the way progress works. We will not regress to 3 stations that broadcast news a few times a day.

The future will be built more around social media. More user generated content, fewer professional pundits. And more aggregrators like Huffington Post and Drudge.

I know that. I can dream can't I? The more news outlets become media-driven ratings generators, the less news we get, is all. Which is sad, because I used to love CNN for being nothing but a news channel.


Agreed.
 
2012-08-13 06:44:10 PM  

Gosling: KrispyKritter: it makes one wonder if there is some bizarre conspiracy to make certain anyone with a triple digit IQ will stop buying televisions.

Oh for Pete's sake, will people just stop with this 'the REALLY smart people don't watch television and it's going to die and all televisions in the whole world will be out on the curb any day now because of the Internet' claptrap? It's going to stay. It will. TV's a little more durable than vaudeville. There is intelligent viewing out there if you know where you're looking, and besides, even smart people want to take a load off and watch something dumb sometimes. I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period. I know full well that Wipeout is silly, stupid, people-fall-down-go-boom guilty pleasure material. I watch it anyway.


Yes, people are going to continue watching TV, but the current model is unsustainable. I watch TV shows, but I don't own a TV, and I don't have cable. Netflix is objectively better. The response of the powers that be to the changing environment is to create more garbage that pushes more people to cancel their cable subscription, and to avoid changing their business model in any significant way. No, TV isn't going away, but things are going to change and a lot of heads are going to roll.
 
2012-08-13 06:44:27 PM  

KatjaMouse: Pretty much going to drop the same comment in here that I just left in TFA but hey:

Well, TLC no longer stands for The Learning Channel, A&E used to give us Arts & Entertainment and the History Channel at least would give us old reels of WWII to watch. Now its about Cake Bosses, prostitots, Ice Road Truckers, and human clown cars. So why WOULDN'T Cable News Network abandon the news?


They also have science on SyFy and scifi on the science channel
 
2012-08-13 06:48:43 PM  
It probably already been said, but lets restore the 'truth in newscasting law' and we can get back to real news on the news stations and delete foxnews at the same time.

/Canadas foxnews north gets around the truth law by having daily 'commentary' from in house d-bags.
//Pre-zombie Reagan removed the truth law.
 
2012-08-13 06:51:59 PM  
How about doing unbiased in-depth real world issues-based investigative news. Nobody else is.
 
2012-08-13 06:56:00 PM  

Gosling: uber humper: That's not my point. I'm saying that the brand Nat Geo has been cheapened by low-class filler -- ie. American Gipsy.

Oh, I'm not disagreeing.

Here's the thing. TV has reached a point where comparing network to network isn't really always the best way to go. Neither is journalism; you can't go organization to organization as a whole. TV and journalism are both at a place where rooting for laundry is going to get you nowhere. Look for the individual performers; the proverbial names on the back of the jersey, not the name on the front. CNN might suck, but Anderson Cooper is good. MSNBC might suck, but Rachel Maddow is good. National Geographic might suck, but Mariana van Zeller is good. OWN might suck, but Lisa Ling is good.

We're in a DVR and hyperlink era. You can go straight to the good parts of any network and any news organization and leave the bad parts to suck in silence. Find the good journalists, then just follow them wherever they happen to migrate.


You're right. The same goes for pretty much any product. People are no longer loyal to brands. Even as a kid, I always though it was funny when someone said I am a Ford man or to see someone only wearing clothes of one (or very few) brands.

Now, when people stop treating political parities as brands, this will be a better place.
 
2012-08-13 06:56:07 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-08-13 06:57:48 PM  

Gyrfalcon: I know that. I can dream can't I? The more news outlets become media-driven ratings generators, the less news we get, is all. Which is sad, because I used to love CNN for being nothing but a news channel.


Quality journalism tends to be- it's not entirely, but it tends to be a younger person's game. The younger someone is, I've noticed, the more idealistic they are in how journalism's supposed to be done. They don't have big-media resources to do their job, though, so they tend to scrap it out in smaller channels and smaller websites, booking plane tickets to absolutely insane locations like Somalia and North Korea and Yemen and DR Congo. The better ones turn in absolute goddamned masterpieces, and rack up awards and accolades like Michael Phelps on turbo. The big places find them rather quickly after that.

So now they have big credentials and big resources behind you, but they also have big institutional pressures on them from the moment they walk in the door. If they're lucky or principled enough, they can either maintain their own standards in the face of pressure to maintain 'access' and please the sponsors they now have to deal with, or at least bounce around until they find a place where they can. If they're not, they get institutionalized, and they end up an increasingly lesser form of their former self, eventually doing little more than sitting behind an anchor desk reading news gathered by people doing what they used to do, and giving pulled-punch interviews to people for fear of losing 'access', people who would have been smacked upside the head by their former self.
 
2012-08-13 07:01:33 PM  
Pffft, this is nothing, Fox News has been doing this for years....minus the reality part.
 
2012-08-13 07:15:12 PM  

Gosling: Gyrfalcon: I know that. I can dream can't I? The more news outlets become media-driven ratings generators, the less news we get, is all. Which is sad, because I used to love CNN for being nothing but a news channel.

Quality journalism tends to be- it's not entirely, but it tends to be a younger person's game. The younger someone is, I've noticed, the more idealistic they are in how journalism's supposed to be done. They don't have big-media resources to do their job, though, so they tend to scrap it out in smaller channels and smaller websites, booking plane tickets to absolutely insane locations like Somalia and North Korea and Yemen and DR Congo. The better ones turn in absolute goddamned masterpieces, and rack up awards and accolades like Michael Phelps on turbo. The big places find them rather quickly after that.

So now they have big credentials and big resources behind you, but they also have big institutional pressures on them from the moment they walk in the door. If they're lucky or principled enough, they can either maintain their own standards in the face of pressure to maintain 'access' and please the sponsors they now have to deal with, or at least bounce around until they find a place where they can. If they're not, they get institutionalized, and they end up an increasingly lesser form of their former self, eventually doing little more than sitting behind an anchor desk reading news gathered by people doing what they used to do, and giving pulled-punch interviews to people for fear of losing 'access', people who would have been smacked upside the head by their former self.


True that. The only mean, hard-hitting older journalist was Mike Wallace, that I can recall offhand.
 
2012-08-13 07:20:14 PM  

LessO2: At the risk of sounding like a curmudgeon, the heart of CNN went away when people like Bernard Shaw and Judy Woodruff left.

And Wolf Blitzer has the worst diction in the world.

Fareed Zakaria was the best thing on CNN, but now his cred is in doubt.


I was just talking about Bernard Shaw in another thread, recently. THat was a dude who just looked you in the face and gave you some sober, dispassionate facts. You know, news.

Every so often I'll tune in to CNN. Jesus, it's just awful. Not as evil and abrasive as Fox, but equally worthless.
I grew up with CNN and miss it terribly. Of course, as others have pointed out, I used to love the History Channel, Discovery, TLC, et al. Look, we're getting the entertainment we deserve. These execs know that a return to straight news would result in even worse ratings than they currently have. That's on us.

tevis.net

"Everyone ready? 'Cos it's about to rain cold hard facts up in here."
 
2012-08-13 07:21:30 PM  
Not at all surprised. They pay their execs so much money that the station is failing. They don't actually give us any useful news. What makes them think they will keep any viewers when they run reality shows that everyone else has already for 20 years?

Reality TV CNN? Do they not do that already?

FAIL.
 
2012-08-13 07:27:00 PM  

Pharmdawg: They also have science on SyFy and scifi on the science channel


Citation needed.
 
2012-08-13 07:34:28 PM  

jayhawk88: I_Am_Weasel: Here's an idea, CNN. Instead of holographic news reporters have some GOOD news reporters. Reporting actual news. As exciting as 12 hours of Wolf Blitzer is, it's hardly news. I'm not talking about the news that a dog in Topeka can operate a microwave, more along the lines of what the rebels are doing in that there latest of African countries with political strife. Take us back to a time that included Bernard Shaw said things like " "it's a dichotomy!, it's a dichotomy!", and others uttered the phrase "clearly I've never been there, but I feel like we're at the center of hell".

You used to do news, CNN, but now, now...what the hell is it that you do?

See, this is like the old "MTV should play music videos again" argument. No, they shouldn't, because no one cares about getting their news from TV any longer. Those people that do still watch TV for their news don't really want news, they just want Fox News to tell them that everything they believe is right, and all their problems are someone else's fault.


Actually, if CNN had just been a news site, they'd be okay. BBC is a worldwide thing because they do news, news, and news--it's like reading a newspaper on your radio.

Of course, when BBC went to TV, they threw in most British TV because they also realized news is not a twenty-four-seven thing...
 
2012-08-13 07:35:12 PM  
CNN
the only news cast that makes you think of semen while you watch

img.gawkerassets.com
 
2012-08-13 07:35:49 PM  
Listen, lad. I built this network up from nothing. When I started , all there was was ABC, CBS and NBC. Others said I was daft to build an all news network on cable, but I built CNN all the same, just to show 'em. It was great. But I needed more. So, I built the CNN Checkout Channel especially for grocery stores. That died in 1993. So, I built a third one, CNNSI. That one died in 2002. But the fourth one, Headline News stayed up! And that's what you're gonna get, lad: a former great idea that today struggles with delusions of relevance..

I want my MTV back.
 
2012-08-13 07:42:25 PM  

hammettman: coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.

Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...


PBS and the BBC are both publicly funded and have the luxury of reporting hard news at length without obsessing over ratings. Al Jazeera, funded by the state of Qatar, has yet to turn a profit. If there was market demand for a 24x7 hard news channel we'd have one.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:58 PM  
I make my living off the Evening News
Just give me something-something I can use
People love it when you lose,
They love dirty laundry

Well, I coulda been an actor, but I wound up here
I just have to look good, I don't have to be clear
Come and whisper in my ear
Give us dirty laundry


-Don Henley
 
2012-08-13 08:07:20 PM  
I thought the news was reality. Silly me.
 
2012-08-13 08:16:26 PM  

fozziewazzi: hammettman: coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.

Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...

PBS and the BBC are both publicly funded and have the luxury of reporting hard news at length without obsessing over ratings. Al Jazeera, funded by the state of Qatar, has yet to turn a profit. If there was market demand for a 24x7 hard news channel we'd have one.


Therein lies the rub. News divisions of old were never intended, nor needed to "turn a profit" but were part of networks as a whole, which used to operate in the public interest. Having news divisions which reported factually was part of that contract.
 
2012-08-13 08:43:34 PM  
"No-uh?"
 
2012-08-13 08:44:33 PM  

runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.


News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.
 
2012-08-13 08:48:13 PM  

uber humper: LaraAmber: Honestly the best news coverage in the US is still the BBC.

I presented nicely. But it's hard for me to trust a news reporting organization that is owned by a government,.


But what about a "news" organization run by the corporation that runs the government?
 
2012-08-13 08:49:05 PM  
My prescription for CNN and HNN

1) Fire all of their on-air talent
2) Hire journalists
3) Drop all of the TV shows on HNN except Headline News. That was the original value proposition.
4) Embrace copy-editing and fact-checking
5) eschew any sort of bias

To sum it up, be a good news outlet.
 
2012-08-13 08:52:59 PM  

Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.


"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)
 
2012-08-13 09:06:00 PM  
Sometimes newer isn't better.
There was a time when you could turn on Headline News or CNN and find out what was happening in the world or nation. Now you've got Anderson Pooper braying and Nancy Grace harping and shrewing and Wolf bellowing. Only good thing about Headline News any more is Robin Meade's mammaries.
 
2012-08-13 09:08:45 PM  

Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)


I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.
 
2012-08-13 09:28:48 PM  

Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)

I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.


"No shiat, Sherlock? You just assaulted an officer of the law, mtf, so did I mention putting your hands, fingers-laced, against the back of your farking head? Do it now. 'You have the right to remain silent...'"

*smooch, hugs, and love*

"What's this? This looks like a bag of plagiarizing, man. What's this? Cash? AND, plagiar-buds? Seriously?"

"Book 'em."

;)
 
2012-08-13 09:30:42 PM  

hammettman: fozziewazzi: hammettman: coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.

Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...

PBS and the BBC are both publicly funded and have the luxury of reporting hard news at length without obsessing over ratings. Al Jazeera, funded by the state of Qatar, has yet to turn a profit. If there was market demand for a 24x7 hard news channel we'd have one.

Therein lies the rub. News divisions of old were never intended, nor needed to "turn a profit" but were part of networks as a whole, which used to operate in the public interest. Having news divisions which reported factually was part of that contract.


Which is why I miss the old days when news wasn't part of the ratings game.

Screw Ted Turner.
 
2012-08-13 09:35:03 PM  

Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)

I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.

"No shiat, Sherlock? You just assaulted an officer of the law, mtf, so did I mention putting your hands, fingers-laced, against the back of your farking head? Do it now. 'You have the right to remain silent...'"

*smooch, hugs, and love*

"What's this? This looks like a bag of plagiarizing, man. What's this? Cash? AND, plagiar-buds? Seriously?"

"Book 'em."

;)


BRING IT ON BIATCH!
 
2012-08-13 09:35:53 PM  
Good Riddance!!!

CNN was the start of the politically charged (in this particular case leftist) news media, under Ted Turner and Hanoi Jane at the helm in the early 80's. Yep, I said it. If you didn't live it back then, IT WAS BLATANT! We were shocked NIGHTLY by the apparent lack of political and news neutrality, regardless of the Regan administration's troubles. News outlets were not supposed to do that, just report UNBIASED FACTS. CNN broke that mold. Ted and Jane, limousine liberals the both of them.

Before CNN, news outlets had a sense of professionalism and at least gave the facts for us all to decide upon for ourselves. See Cronkite, Rather, Brokaw, etc. Warts and all, they were at least professionals we could "somewhat"(Dan Rather included) TRUST.

CNN started the media slide into political partisanship as opposed to good journalism through the 80's and 90's. Fark them!!!! Glad they finally die. They led us into a world of Fox News, Limbaugh, MSNBC, Maddow, Beck, O'Riely, Mathews, etc instead of our nightly source of simple 5 o' clock news FACTS!!

Anything to sacrifice and gain those ratings points for a new 24 hour news cycle I guess was more important, along with their agenda. Thanks for setting the stage today, CNN.

GOT TO KEEP THEM WATCHING, SENSATIONALIZE IT, ETC, ETC!!!

Die off in what you created, CNN.
 
2012-08-13 09:38:38 PM  

Gyrfalcon: hammettman: fozziewazzi: hammettman: coco ebert: I wish they'd take a page from Al-Jazeera International.

Yes, Al-Jazeera does embody the essence of unvarnished, unbiased journalism. They have picked up the torch, dropped by the major broadcast networks in the 80's, carried on by CNN during the Turner reign in the 90's, kept alight by the beeb and PBS during the early naughts... Unfortunately, the BBC and PBS don't offer full time coverage, but, I'm actually sensing, in a tilting at windmills kind of way, a rebirth of actual news outlets. Network news, with its pablum, is being savaged by small outlets and even parody -- TDS and Colbert. I have a feeling that real news will at some point make a comeback. Film at 11...

PBS and the BBC are both publicly funded and have the luxury of reporting hard news at length without obsessing over ratings. Al Jazeera, funded by the state of Qatar, has yet to turn a profit. If there was market demand for a 24x7 hard news channel we'd have one.

Therein lies the rub. News divisions of old were never intended, nor needed to "turn a profit" but were part of networks as a whole, which used to operate in the public interest. Having news divisions which reported factually was part of that contract.

Which is why I miss the old days when news wasn't part of the ratings game.

Screw Ted Turner.


I disagree.

Ted Turner is holding one of the largest herds of bison, land, and watersheds/acquifers of any mogel, next to Mr. Buffet.

Mr. Turner/Buffet, I want to eat bison everyday, and so doesn't-know-yet America...

*bow*

;)
 
2012-08-13 09:39:50 PM  

Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)

I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.

"No shiat, Sherlock? You just assaulted an officer of the law, mtf, so did I mention putting your hands, fingers-laced, against the back of your farking head? Do it now. 'You have the right to remain silent...'"

*smooch, hugs, and love*

"What's this? This looks like a bag of plagiarizing, man. What's this? Cash? AND, plagiar-buds? Seriously?"

"Book 'em."

;)

BRING IT ON BIATCH!


Relax, Tex.

I write.

You react.
 
2012-08-13 09:47:31 PM  

Office Ninja: Die off in what you created, CNN.


CNN didn't create it. Don Hewitt created it.
 
2012-08-13 10:02:38 PM  

Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)

I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.

"No shiat, Sherlock? You just assaulted an officer of the law, mtf, so did I mention putting your hands, fingers-laced, against the back of your farking head? Do it now. 'You have the right to remain silent...'"

*smooch, hugs, and love*

"What's this? This looks like a bag of plagiarizing, man. What's this? Cash? AND, plagiar-buds? Seriously?"

"Book 'em."

;)

BRING IT ON BIATCH!

Relax, Tex.

I write.

You react.

Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: Indubitably: Tyranicle: runwiz: I thought the news was reality. Silly me.

News is propaganda. That's why CNN is going out of business. People are tired of the usuall bulshiat propaganda. After all, you have an agenda, right? Why wouldn't the owners and editors? Problem is, their agenda's don't fall in line with the veiwers anymore. Times have changed.

"If you work in news, you might lose a few points on that license with the casual misspelling, sir. Sir, do you allow plagiarizing at your news organization, sir? Do you have any plagiarizings in the car, sir? Please step out of the car, sir. Put your hands, with your fingers laced, against the back of your head, sir, please, 'You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say'..."

;)

I'm old and typeing this on a phone. Forgive the misspellings.

"No shiat, Sherlock? You just assaulted an officer of the law, mtf, so did I mention putting your hands, fingers-laced, against the back of your farking head? Do it now. 'You have the right to remain silent...'"

*smooch, hugs, and love*

"What's this? This looks like a bag of plagiarizing, man. What's this? Cash? AND, plagiar-buds? Seriously?"

"Book 'em."

;)

BRING IT ON BIATCH!

Relax, Tex.

I write.

You react.


Plagiarizing? Wtf?
 
2012-08-13 10:44:16 PM  
The thing is, CNN and ALL the 24-hour news nets, fell into a pattern of doing their job the cheapest, easiest way, and that's not the way that does the best job. Do a crappy job, you lose viewers. Lose viewers, you lose advertisers.

How about you stop wheeling a story for more than 3 days, to start with. And, stop doing everything by in-studio remote sat feeds from flacks and pundits, and get back to field acquisition. You know, going out and finding stories to report on, using reporters. The gear costs can't be holding you down any more, you can feed using the internet by FTP. There are scads of young, hungry journalism students looking to do better than 302nd market local news.

Instead, you wallow in pundit spin/feedback stories about the reaction to the reaction story to an original story from 2 days ago. You don't report news anymore: you fill time with news-like noise, because that was cheaper and more efficient than doing a real job.
 
2012-08-13 10:49:02 PM  

Gosling: I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period.


static.bbci.co.uk
 
2012-08-13 11:17:29 PM  
It's pretty sad the only American news show focused on reporting actual news does it in between comedic sketches and celebrity interviews, and it still gets called liberal, pretentious and biased by its critics. People in this country can't even handle joke news, much less real news, so it surprises me not that CNN has said "F*ck it, let's go full TLC with this b*tch."
 
2012-08-14 12:05:04 AM  
Uverse dropped Fox News from its basic lineup, leaving me with only HLN, CNN, and MSNBC for news. My TV has been spending a lot more alone time with itself...
 
2012-08-14 12:12:16 AM  
Certainly Not News
 
2012-08-14 12:44:42 AM  
I am in the mood to learn something. Let me turn on The Learning Channel

img2.timeinc.net

Hmmm, maybe some music television...

mtv.mtvnimages.com

Maybe I can learn some history...

www.frugal-cafe.com

uhm...maybe some sports...

www.fouracepoker.com

Eeeesh, what's the weather like?

i.ytimg.com

FARK! What's news?

wonkette.com

I guess when you spend ZERO on production, whatever you make is pure profit.
 
2012-08-14 01:07:40 AM  

Gosling: Office Ninja: Die off in what you created, CNN.

CNN didn't create it. Don Hewitt created it.


the Mad Magazine cartoonist?
 
2012-08-14 01:18:23 AM  

Maul555: S


Cut the cord. Netflix + Hulu (+ even Amazon Prime) is way less expensive than cable anyway, and you can watch 90% of the good stuff that's out there legally.

Unless you want to watch HBO stuff, then you're screwed. *evil glare @ HBO*
 
2012-08-14 01:25:58 AM  
Might as well, CNN already looks like a "reality" based TV show.
farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-08-14 01:34:46 AM  

uber humper: The whole idea of 24 hour news channels is terrible. Right and Left leaning "news" channels are responsible for much of the mental illness in this country.

The sensationalism seems to have effected people in a way that they can no longer tell what is important from what is not. People now watch news for an endorphin rush.


Well, it wasn't a total loss. Afterall it gave us Fark!

/ fwiw
 
2012-08-14 01:41:44 AM  

I Browse: I've got it...a Point/Counterpoint show with Jack Cafferty and Jeanne Moos!


"Jane, you ignorant slut."
 
2012-08-14 02:09:22 AM  

Gosling: Why Would I Read the Article: I try to watch CNN on weekends from time to time, but Fredricka Whitfield, Soledad Obrien and Don Lemon and so spectacuarly stupid and terrible anchors that it is just impossible. I don't need them to go the Fox route and bring only beauty queens, but finding competent anchors would be a start. I can't speak to the competency of their weekday anchors, but I'm assuming they're also terrible.

Anderson Cooper. Also Sanjay Gupta. And the aforementioned Christiane Amanpour. There's also Kaj Larsen, who they recently grabbed off Current in the wake of Olbermann showing up, breaking the news division all to hell and then getting himself fired, leaving a smoking shell where a halfway decent network used to be.

I disagree with you on Soledad O'Brien, but that's your call.


I've loved lusted her since ZDtv, cutting in on Leo and Kate (also way hawt) to do tech news or something - I never really have listened to a word she says.
 
2012-08-14 02:52:49 AM  
Corporate news: "Presstitutes".
 
2012-08-14 04:21:31 AM  

Sticky Hands: the Mad Magazine cartoonist?


The guy who produced 60 Minutes.
 
2012-08-14 05:16:28 AM  
CNN is for homosexual people. there i said it.
 
2012-08-14 06:18:21 AM  
While we're at it, clean up their sister network too, HLN....

1. Get rid of Nancy Grace.
2. Get rid of the "Issues" chick who has to remind everyone she's an alcoholic on every program.

That would be a start.
 
2012-08-14 09:02:22 AM  
Sad to say, but, "news" as it is remembered before about the early 1990s is basically dead. Right now what constitutes news is either:

A) Either highly slanted coverage of "hot button" topics which is generally opinion thinly veiled as news
B) Light fluffy pop pieces about entertainment or somebody's cute dog that are there to distract you from (A)
C) Coverage of actually breaking "news" events, but, which eventually degrade into (A) rather quickly
 
2012-08-14 10:04:10 AM  

Gosling: I don't know about you, but I don't know anyone who's watching Masterpiece Theatre marathons. Or Masterpiece Theatre period.


Raises hand

That, Game of Thrones, and My Little Pony. I'd hit up Gravity Falls, but I can't be assed to torrent cartoons anymore. Plus Mable is Pinkie Pie-lite anyway.
 
2012-08-14 11:27:31 AM  
pmcmovieline.files.wordpress.com

Called it.
 
2012-08-14 12:51:32 PM  

uber humper: The future will be built more around social media. More user generated content, fewer professional pundits. And more aggregrators like Huffington Post and Drudge.


I just projectile vomited.
 
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