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2012-08-13 01:34:06 PM  
"Gun purchases spread like communicable disease vectors. Crazy people sneeze, and we all catch colds"

"Crazy people sneeze, and we all catch colds"

"Crazy people sneeze"

"Crazy people"

I think I found the real problem here, and it's not the guns.
 
2012-08-13 01:34:30 PM  
President Madagascar, a man in Brazil bought a gun!

/shut down everything.
 
2012-08-13 01:35:11 PM  
*cough*gottalovelivinginfear*cough*
 
2012-08-13 01:35:27 PM  
I know, right? After the Giffords shooting, my doctor quarantined me in the hospital until I bought at least one Glock and 200 rounds of FMJ.
 
2012-08-13 01:35:47 PM  
"That suggests that people with driving under the influence convictions should be barred from buying a gun, Wintemute said."

It's a solid plan.
 
2012-08-13 01:36:25 PM  
The best thing about those USAToday comments is people saying "well said" about comments that aren't very well said and "great point" about points that aren't very great.

/got nuthin'
 
2012-08-13 01:37:11 PM  
Wow, so when people are exposed to a hobby they enjoy they adopt said hobby. When people feel threatened they acquire tools to defend themselves. Shocking...
 
2012-08-13 01:38:56 PM  
pew, pew, pew ...


/you'll get my finger gun when you cut it from my cold dead hand
//pew, pew, pew
///finger banger
 
2012-08-13 01:40:10 PM  
Oh, it's this thread again. Well, let's repeat for the record:

1. Outright gun bans rarely work (Britain's worked, but knife crime rose as a result)
2. Arming most of the public doesn't work either (see Texas)
3. Neither of the above do anything to address the root causes of crime, so neither will ever be effective as anything but a mild deterrent to the laziest criminals.
 
2012-08-13 01:40:49 PM  
A scientific approach to making guns safer?
How about one that realizes the guns are working just fine.

/the drug war, the economy, and mental health care in the US, Not so much...
/violence is lower where the standard of living is higher.
 
2012-08-13 01:41:46 PM  
Gun owners should be treated like lepers then.
 
2012-08-13 01:44:55 PM  

Parmenius: I know, right? After the Giffords shooting, my doctor quarantined me in the hospital until I bought at least one Glock and 200 rounds of FMJ.


You really don't want FMJ as a self defense round.
Good for practice time at the range, though.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-08-13 01:47:59 PM  
Guns don't kill people so it's obviously the coughing.

/spread the love
 
2012-08-13 01:48:50 PM  
If the doctor in TFA thinks that shootings drive gun sales, he should look into what threats of a ban do.

/Obama is the gun salesman of the Century - just because the NRA convinced people that he was going to "take our guns!"
 
2012-08-13 01:49:57 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Oh, it's this thread again. Well, let's repeat for the record:

1. Outright gun bans rarely work (Britain's worked, but knife crime rose as a result)
2. Arming most of the public doesn't work either (see Texas)
3. Neither of the above do anything to address the root causes of crime, so neither will ever be effective as anything but a mild deterrent to the laziest criminals.


meh - where is the study giving the ratio of where people own the guns work/live/play vs. where the (bulk of the) crime is?

my guess is that most legally owned guns are in the suburbs, whereas most violent (gun) crime is in the inner cities. Then there are also the gun crimes (i.e. armed robbery, assault, etc...) where a gun is present, but not used. There is also the question of how much crime is committed against people currently armed.

/just a question or two... no one seems to be able to answer....
 
2012-08-13 01:53:25 PM  
Gun porn thread! Just picked up my first gun, a Beretta PX4 Storm in 9mm, a week ago and put 200 rounds through it. Shoots like a dream.

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2012-08-13 01:55:43 PM  

Private_Citizen: If the doctor in TFA thinks that shootings drive gun sales, he should look into what threats of a ban do.

/Obama is the gun salesman of the Century - just because the NRA convinced people that he was going to "take our guns!"


A local gun store (boasting over 8000 firearms in stock) had a life-size standee of Bill Clinton with a sign hung on it that read, "Our best employee".

When Obama was elected, ammo almost impossible to find. The pantswetting right-wingers were convinced there was some civil war just waiting to happen.

It seems to me that if any bloody anything happened, it's because the racists and right-wingers have spent so long psyching themselves out, that they just snap and start shooting random people.

That the most unhinged and mentally unfit among us have strong political protection to amass large collections of firearms is a dangerous situation.
 
2012-08-13 01:56:05 PM  

TXEric: Parmenius: I know, right? After the Giffords shooting, my doctor quarantined me in the hospital until I bought at least one Glock and 200 rounds of FMJ.

You really don't want FMJ as a self defense round.
Good for practice time at the range, though.

/Just sayin'


I prefer my trusty Glock 47, it's pocket sized for easy concealment, and shoots 12 guage rounds from a 75 round snail drum. Since you never know what threat you might encounter, I keep it loaded with a mix of 00 buckshot, armor piercing sabot rounds, flechette rounds, and dragons breath rounds. As a bonus, the barrel is ceramic and the frame is plastic, so I don't even have to take it out for metal detectors.
 
2012-08-13 01:56:16 PM  
Owning a gun a disease? Wow... that's awfully silly.

The *real* disease here is Humanity. We're going to find ways to kill each other regardless. So you might as well level the playing field and arm yourself. Or wind up in an early grave. Your choice.
 
2012-08-13 01:57:10 PM  
"Bans on assault weapons and multiple magazines that allow rapid and repeat firing are other possible steps"

Sweet SINGLE USE GUNS! Just shoot it and forget it!
 
2012-08-13 01:57:57 PM  

CrappityCrap: Owning a gun a disease? Wow... that's awfully silly.

The *real* disease here is Humanity. We're going to find ways to kill each other regardless. So you might as well level the playing field and arm yourself. Or wind up in an early grave. Your choice.


It's the constant escalation that is the issue.

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2012-08-13 01:59:19 PM  
Mass shootings are profoundly anomalous as a percentage of general population.

Legal gun ownership as a deterrent to crime is profoundly demonstrable across the United States.

Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-08-13 01:59:43 PM  

mexican bathtub cheese: Mass shootings are profoundly anomalous as a percentage of general population.

Legal gun ownership as a deterrent to crime is profoundly demonstrable across the United States.

Your argument is invalid.


[citation needed]
 
2012-08-13 02:00:05 PM  

pxlboy


When Obama was elected, ammo almost impossible to find. The pantswetting right-wingers were convinced there was some civil war just waiting to happen.


Nah - the pantswetting right-wingers were convinced the ebil Demmycrat was gonna take their guns, and as demand went up so did the prices.
 
2012-08-13 02:01:10 PM  
Disease patterns, observing how a problem spreads. Gun ownership - a precursor to gun violence - can spread "much like an infectious disease circulates," said Daniel Webster, a health policy expert and co-director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research in Baltimore.

Dude, look, just because you got screwed out of having the best dictionary by those Oxford guys doesn't mean you need to start going crazy on us.

How can "gun ownership" spread like a disease? A gun owner was at the salad bar and I woke up and HOLY shiat there are guns all over the house! I knew I should have washed my hands before I ate!
 
2012-08-13 02:01:41 PM  

pxlboy:
It seems to me that if any bloody anything happened, it's because the racists and right-wingers have spent so long psyching themselves out, that they just snap and start shooting random people.



So writes the Brit.
 
2012-08-13 02:03:49 PM  

pxlboy: That the most unhinged and mentally unfit among us have strong political protection to amass large collections of firearms is a dangerous situation.


If that is your criteria for gun ownership, then we need to disarm every police force in the nation as being a police officer has one of the highest suicide ratios for any profession (I think Doctors have the highest ratio), and most are already unhinged to begin with.

/the question is - where is the line in the sand that can apply to EVERYONE? define "mentally unfit", and then once thats done, how to keep it from sliding down the path of "any one who is not of political party X", or some such blanket orwellian BS....
 
2012-08-13 02:04:11 PM  
I got a disease from a gun once, and I never used them as sex toys again.
 
2012-08-13 02:04:26 PM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph:

1. Outright gun bans rarely work (Britain's worked, but knife crime rose as a result)

No one has proposed this. Obama has actually increased access to guns.

2. Arming most of the public doesn't work either (see Texas)

Have you ever even been to Texas? Hardly "most" of Texas is armed.
 
2012-08-13 02:05:24 PM  
TFA: we live in a society saturated with guns. Later: about one-third of American homes have [a gun].

Doesn't sound saturated to me -- a good marketing campaign could (almost) triple the number of homes with guns. "Git yer fresh, tasty semi-auto right here -- and super-size it!"

Headlines doctors target "gun violence". Regular violence - meh!
 
2012-08-13 02:07:17 PM  

pxlboy: mexican bathtub cheese: Mass shootings are profoundly anomalous as a percentage of general population.

Legal gun ownership as a deterrent to crime is profoundly demonstrable across the United States.

Your argument is invalid.

[citation needed]


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2012-08-13 02:08:37 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: [www.sciencephoto.com image 524x530]

Won't someone please think of the children!!?


Every time I do though I have to buy another 10k rounds.
 
2012-08-13 02:08:39 PM  
but but my 37 guns are perfectly normal!


/try not to suck any guns on your way through the parking lot.
 
2012-08-13 02:09:02 PM  

Marine1: "Gun purchases spread like communicable disease vectors. Crazy people sneeze, and we all catch colds"

"Crazy people sneeze, and we all catch colds"

"Crazy people sneeze"

"Crazy people"

I think I found the real problem here, and it's not the guns.


Given the choice between a lunatic armed with an automatic weapon or a lunatic armed with congestion and wheezing, I'm going to roll the dice and go with the possibility of sniffles.
 
2012-08-13 02:09:05 PM  

arethereanybeernamesleft: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

1. Outright gun bans rarely work (Britain's worked, but knife crime rose as a result)

No one has proposed this. Obama has actually increased access to guns.

2. Arming most of the public doesn't work either (see Texas)

Have you ever even been to Texas? Hardly "most" of Texas is armed.


1. I wasn't implying that anyone did propose such a ban. Certainly, gun owners can carry more places now than they did under Bush. Mine was a general statement about gun bans in general.

2. I lived in Houston for 15 years. At least half of all trucks on the roads there had gun racks on them. Sure, it's an anecdote, but probably not that far off. :)
 
2012-08-13 02:09:14 PM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph: "Neither of the above do anything to address the root causes of crime"

Americans can't address the root causes of, really, any social problem. We're incapable. To address the root causes of social problems is to admit that the Universe is a chaotic place where things happen for no real reason; a place where horrible things *will* happen to good people.

Americans are uniquely constituted to be impervious to that idea.

We will contort any list of facts to match the comforting bed time story that we tell ourselves, to the point that people who make so much as a *mistake* are cast out, and treated as a horrible monster who clearly should have known better or been raised better. And then we'll feel *vindicated* when that person is left with no options other than to behave poorly, as it will demonstrate that we were right all along.

Criminals? Bad people. Addicts? Weak people. Unemployed? Lazy people. Single parents? Immoral people. The poor? profligate people.
We heap penalties and punishments and barriers and guilt upon them until we get the thoroughly unsurprising results that retroactively excuse our behavior.
 
2012-08-13 02:09:43 PM  

Private_Citizen: TXEric: Parmenius: I know, right? After the Giffords shooting, my doctor quarantined me in the hospital until I bought at least one Glock and 200 rounds of FMJ.

You really don't want FMJ as a self defense round.
Good for practice time at the range, though.

/Just sayin'

I prefer my trusty Glock 47, it's pocket sized for easy concealment, and shoots 12 guage rounds from a 75 round snail drum. Since you never know what threat you might encounter, I keep it loaded with a mix of 00 buckshot, armor piercing sabot rounds, flechette rounds, and dragons breath rounds. As a bonus, the barrel is ceramic and the frame is plastic, so I don't even have to take it out for metal detectors.


I'll take 3 of them.
 
2012-08-13 02:10:27 PM  

Private_Citizen: TXEric: Parmenius: I know, right? After the Giffords shooting, my doctor quarantined me in the hospital until I bought at least one Glock and 200 rounds of FMJ.

You really don't want FMJ as a self defense round.
Good for practice time at the range, though.

/Just sayin'

I prefer my trusty Glock 47, it's pocket sized for easy concealment, and shoots 12 guage rounds from a 75 round snail drum. Since you never know what threat you might encounter, I keep it loaded with a mix of 00 buckshot, armor piercing sabot rounds, flechette rounds, and dragons breath rounds. As a bonus, the barrel is ceramic and the frame is plastic, so I don't even have to take it out for metal detectors.


Sweet.
 
2012-08-13 02:11:52 PM  
Quote from TFA:

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise,...

Recently, NPR ran an interview of someone who was familiar with the topic of mass murder. That person defined mass murder as being 4 or more people and said that there has been no uptick whatsoever in the incidence of mass murder. Every time something bad happens, there's an epidemic of hand wrining. This is why we have the TSA, nanny cams, and are heading towards opening a Pre-Crime Bureau. Yet, we still drink too much, eat too much, operate lawn mowers and motor vehicles.


I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?
 
2012-08-13 02:12:36 PM  

MEHOKIE: pxlboy:
It seems to me that if any bloody anything happened, it's because the racists and right-wingers have spent so long psyching themselves out, that they just snap and start shooting random people.

So writes the Brit.


1. I wasn't using bloody in that way. Perhaps a better word choice, but if something *violent* happens, it will the crazies and not the government who initiates it.

2. I'm not British.
 
2012-08-13 02:14:02 PM  

arethereanybeernamesleft: Grand_Moff_Joseph:

1. Outright gun bans rarely work (Britain's worked, but knife crime rose as a result)

No one has proposed this. Obama has actually increased access to guns.

2. Arming most of the public doesn't work either (see Texas)

Have you ever even been to Texas? Hardly "most" of Texas is armed.


He increased access to carrying guns in national park after he let a federal judge's injunction go uncontested and an unrelated rider allowing CCW in national parks was attached to the most significant piece of consumer credit legislation in my lifetime. So to recap, before he was strongarmed into being "for it," he was demonstrably against it.
 
2012-08-13 02:14:48 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: "That suggests that people with driving under the influence convictions should be barred from buying a gun, Wintemute said."

It's a solid plan.


In other news, gun sales in Wisconsin drop 99%.

/I'm sure the guy with 13 DWIs was released because of the cop's DWI catch-and-release program
 
2012-08-13 02:16:19 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Quote from TFA:

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise,...

Recently, NPR ran an interview of someone who was familiar with the topic of mass murder. That person defined mass murder as being 4 or more people and said that there has been no uptick whatsoever in the incidence of mass murder. Every time something bad happens, there's an epidemic of hand wrining. This is why we have the TSA, nanny cams, and are heading towards opening a Pre-Crime Bureau. Yet, we still drink too much, eat too much, operate lawn mowers and motor vehicles.


I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?


Probably not. I can't seem to think of any prominent rifle, shotgun, or handgun manufacturers in the US. Nor can I think of a huge conglomerate that makes one of the fastest firing guns in the world.
 
2012-08-13 02:18:37 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Quote from TFA:

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise,...

Recently, NPR ran an interview of someone who was familiar with the topic of mass murder. That person defined mass murder as being 4 or more people and said that there has been no uptick whatsoever in the incidence of mass murder. Every time something bad happens, there's an epidemic of hand wrining. This is why we have the TSA, nanny cams, and are heading towards opening a Pre-Crime Bureau. Yet, we still drink too much, eat too much, operate lawn mowers and motor vehicles.


I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?


My carry sidearm is sold by a United States of America homed business.

The firearm itself is made in Czechoslovakia.
 
2012-08-13 02:19:26 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: Quote from TFA:

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise,...

Recently, NPR ran an interview of someone who was familiar with the topic of mass murder. That person defined mass murder as being 4 or more people and said that there has been no uptick whatsoever in the incidence of mass murder. Every time something bad happens, there's an epidemic of hand wrining. This is why we have the TSA, nanny cams, and are heading towards opening a Pre-Crime Bureau. Yet, we still drink too much, eat too much, operate lawn mowers and motor vehicles.


I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?


Somebody should let the Gov of New York know


Link

ALBANY - If Gov. Cuomo's appetite for more gun control is serious, there's no shortage of bills on the menu.

From microstamping shell casings and banning assault weapons, to toughening penalties for lax storage, teaching anti-gun violence in schools and providing tax credits for the purchase of gun safety equipment, lawmakers are pushing more than a dozen measures to beef up New York's already tough gun-control laws.

Cuomo last week called the increase in gun violence "undeniable" following the massacres in Colorado and Wisconsin, as well as shootings in the city.

But if Republicans retain control of the state Senate in November, Cuomo's storied arm-twisting abilities could be tested when the Legislature reconvenes next year.
 
2012-08-13 02:20:48 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?


Smith & Wesson?
Ruger, which is affordable quality. :-) My Ruger Mark III 22/45 (wiki) is great fun, and wonderful for target practice with cheap shooting. Then again, I really like the Springfield Armory XD(m)...sold by an American company, but manufactured in Croatia.
 
2012-08-13 02:22:25 PM  
Somebody just farking sneezed: Texas A&M University reports shooting Link
 
2012-08-13 02:25:32 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Wow, so when people are exposed to a hobby they enjoy they adopt said hobby. When people feel threatened they acquire tools to defend themselves. Shocking...


If only it was simply the hobby and not a knee jerk reaction to a couple of nutjobs.
 
2012-08-13 02:26:39 PM  

Fail in Human Form: Contents Under Pressure: Quote from TFA:

Mass shootings don't seem to be on the rise,...

Recently, NPR ran an interview of someone who was familiar with the topic of mass murder. That person defined mass murder as being 4 or more people and said that there has been no uptick whatsoever in the incidence of mass murder. Every time something bad happens, there's an epidemic of hand wrining. This is why we have the TSA, nanny cams, and are heading towards opening a Pre-Crime Bureau. Yet, we still drink too much, eat too much, operate lawn mowers and motor vehicles.


I am dismayed to see the Italian made Beretta above. Isn't *anything* made in the US anymore?

Somebody should let the Gov of New York know


Link

ALBANY - If Gov. Cuomo's appetite for more gun control is serious, there's no shortage of bills on the menu.

From microstamping shell casings and banning assault weapons, to toughening penalties for lax storage, teaching anti-gun violence in schools and providing tax credits for the purchase of gun safety equipment, lawmakers are pushing more than a dozen measures to beef up New York's already tough gun-control laws.

Cuomo last week called the increase in gun violence "undeniable" following the massacres in Colorado and Wisconsin, as well as shootings in the city.

But if Republicans retain control of the state Senate in November, Cuomo's storied arm-twisting abilities could be tested when the Legislature reconvenes next year.


I've had quite enough of that asshole to last a lifetime. Where he gets is outsized influence, I will never know.
 
2012-08-13 02:27:34 PM  

Coelacanth: Somebody just farking sneezed: Texas A&M University reports shooting Link



Link
 
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