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2012-08-13 01:29:50 PM  
What's Bolt's 40 time?
 
2012-08-13 01:37:26 PM  
Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.
 
2012-08-13 01:40:12 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


Came to say this......

It would be interesting to try to get the 40 yard dash added as an Olympic event.... would NFL players possibly be persuaded to compete (other than it interfering with training camp)... what is the best 40m split in 100m sprint competitions?
 
2012-08-13 01:59:16 PM  
Id like to see Usain bolt try to catch a ball with 500 pounds of angry rib eye bearing down on him!
 
2012-08-13 02:22:20 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


Yeah, I understand that. But maybe that's his strategy? Maybe that helps him conserve energy or something?

I don't know much about track. I do know in swimming they mentioned that you don't want to be too quick off the block.
 
2012-08-13 02:35:54 PM  

slayer199: Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


40 yard splits are measured from a standing start, Bolt is coming out of starting blocks. Let Bolt have a standing start and then see what happened.
 
2012-08-13 02:44:15 PM  
Bolt takes something like 3 or 4 fewer strides than the other runners when he runs the 100.
 
2012-08-13 02:48:07 PM  

WhyteRaven74: 40 yard splits are measured from a standing start, Bolt is coming out of starting blocks. Let Bolt have a standing start and then see what happened.


Doesn't make a difference at 25m

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15079987
 
2012-08-13 03:35:55 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.
 
2012-08-13 03:40:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.

Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.


That is true... would be interesting for these runners to "train" for a 40.... but, it is a point that these really fast NFL WRs train to be fast 30-40 yards down the field... they don't really have use to be fast the full length of a football field..... although would be interesting, could you get enough hangtime on a kickoff to have a world class runner be ready to tackle the receiver immediately on a kickoff return?

Also, I am not totally aware... are those 40 times in pads or out of pads? I think out right at the combine?
 
2012-08-13 03:46:02 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


Wait, if your numbers are correct, Usain Bolt would have ran 40 yards in 4.252 seconds. That appears to be less than 4.32, so Bolt is still faster. I can't account for the starting from blocks thing though.
 
2012-08-13 03:49:09 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.


No it wouldn't. For 100 meters he's running all out the entire race. Bolt is a big guy and many smaller guys will stay with and even beat him in the first 40m. In one heat, I believe the sprinter from China was beating him in the first 40m however Bolt's top end speed is much greater than any other person on this planet.

dletter: although would be interesting, could you get enough hangtime on a kickoff to have a world class runner be ready to tackle the receiver immediately on a kickoff return?


Sure if there wasn't angry 250 pound plus guys blocking for the other team.
 
2012-08-13 03:49:56 PM  
I am winning all the sports.
 
2012-08-13 03:50:28 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Let Bolt have a standing start and then see what happened.


With the way you have phrased it, you seem to indicate that a standing start is faster (I have no earthly idea which is faster, but I'm guessing people have tested this).

If a standing start is faster, why in the f*ck do they start in blocks? Can someone not just say they'd rather have a standing start?
 
2012-08-13 03:51:32 PM  

dletter: ould you get enough hangtime on a kickoff to have a world class runner be ready to tackle the receiver immediately on a kickoff return?


The world class runners would have a hell of a time getting by the other 10 guys on the field preparing to block for the returner
 
2012-08-13 03:51:49 PM  
Most NFL 40 times are out of pads. I'm pretty sure 40yd times are now electronically timed off of the runners movement (unlike reacting to a gun in track and field). Also I remember reading somewhere that Bolt's 60m split during his WR 100 was like 6.3 seconds. The article says Robinson's best 60m was 6.8?

Put them both in blocks and reacting to a gun, Bolt would win hands down. Robinson may have him for the first few steps but I really can't see many circumstances where Bolt loses a race period.
 
2012-08-13 03:52:57 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


How is Denard timed? Bolt's timer starts electronically with the gun; he's at 0.15 or so by the time he begins his first step. If Robinson's timer is standing with a stopwatch and listening for the gun to start his time will register as faster than it really is.
 
2012-08-13 03:53:20 PM  
ESPN track and field reporter Larry Rawson said on the radio after reviewing Bolt's 20-meter splits that Bolt would run 40-yard dash in a time that would burn up the field turf.

Rawson: "Forty yards, if he was being hand-timed by a scout and reacting to his movement - not electronically timed the way they do it [in track and field] - his 40-yard dash on a track, in spikes, would be 3.73 seconds."

Host: [Laughter] "He would run a sub four-second 40-yard dash?"

Rawson: "Listen, I did the math as though it was electronically timed, which it's not for football - electronically timed - and it came out to 3.97 seconds."


RTFA
 
2012-08-13 03:55:25 PM  

xtragrind: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.

No it wouldn't. For 100 meters he's running all out the entire race. Bolt is a big guy and many smaller guys will stay with and even beat him in the first 40m. In one heat, I believe the sprinter from China was beating him in the first 40m however Bolt's top end speed is much greater than any other person on this planet.

dletter: although would be interesting, could you get enough hangtime on a kickoff to have a world class runner be ready to tackle the receiver immediately on a kickoff return?

Sure if there wasn't angry 250 pound plus guys blocking for the other team.


graphics8.nytimes.com

Are you sure about that part?
 
2012-08-13 03:55:30 PM  

downstairs: Yeah, I understand that. But maybe that's his strategy? Maybe that helps him conserve energy or something?


Conserve energy? It's a 10 second race that requires 12 calories to complete. Until you get to races like the 800 meter the only thing those guys are thinking is: RUNFASTRUNFASTRUNFASTRUNRUNRUNMYLUNGSAREBURNINGRUNRUNRUNRUN
 
2012-08-13 03:57:37 PM  
Regardless of whether or not he could "beat" Bolt at any interval in a foot race, I'm curious if Denard actually learned to not stare down his initial read this offseason

Aside from the national championship game, the Mich v Va Tech game was the only bowl I could watch from start to finish, and I lost count of how many times he threw in double-coverage by the third quarter. Look off your intended target once in awhile. Jesus.
 
2012-08-13 04:00:24 PM  

jbuist: downstairs: Yeah, I understand that. But maybe that's his strategy? Maybe that helps him conserve energy or something?

Conserve energy? It's a 10 second race that requires 12 calories to complete. Until you get to races like the 800 meter the only thing those guys are thinking is: RUNFASTRUNFASTRUNFASTRUNRUNRUNMYLUNGSAREBURNINGRUNRUNRUNRUN


12 calories? Really? That's shocking to me.
 
2012-08-13 04:02:27 PM  
It's weird how much people need to defend Bolt and say he'd beat anyone at any short distance. Who the f*ck cares if these guys even could beat him at that distance? It's a completely arbitrary number that has nothing to do with anything.
 
2012-08-13 04:05:10 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: 12 calories? Really? That's shocking to me.


It takes less than ten seconds (for those guys) to complete. Nothing is going to burn a ton of calories over that period of time.
 
2012-08-13 04:06:29 PM  

IAmRight: It's weird how much people need to defend Bolt and say he'd beat anyone at any short distance. Who the f*ck cares if these guys even could beat him at that distance? It's a completely arbitrary number that has nothing to do with anything.


Are you saying Fark isn't the place to try to prove people's arbitrary and ultimately unimportant claims wrong?
 
2012-08-13 04:06:49 PM  

PC LOAD LETTER: Bolt takes something like 3 or 4 fewer strides than the other runners when he runs the 100.


He covers 88 inches per stride in the 100m (42 strides).

You do the math.
 
2012-08-13 04:08:19 PM  
It's interesting to see how athletes would do in other venues.

Bolt, for example, would probably make a world-record 400m sprinter.

Calvin Johnson would be a great volleyball player.

LeBron James would destroy the world in handball.

Denard Robinson would be a decent number 4 wide receiver in the NFL.

It's fun to imagine.
 
2012-08-13 04:09:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.


that was his split time from the Olympics.
 
2012-08-13 04:11:15 PM  
 
2012-08-13 04:11:37 PM  

you have pee hands: IAmRight: It's weird how much people need to defend Bolt and say he'd beat anyone at any short distance. Who the f*ck cares if these guys even could beat him at that distance? It's a completely arbitrary number that has nothing to do with anything.

Are you saying Fark isn't the place to try to prove people's arbitrary and ultimately unimportant claims wrong?


If you cherry pick the parameters anything is possible.

I could easily beat Usain Bolt in a game of chess. That guy brings his queen out way too early.
 
2012-08-13 04:11:40 PM  
... but I am smarter than a 5th Grader!
 
2012-08-13 04:11:45 PM  
Attention arseholes! A 40 is not an actual race. Step up to a 60m if you want to stop sounding like idiots.
 
2012-08-13 04:12:19 PM  

Gosling: I am winning all the sports.


I'm breaking up with Heather Graham because I need my space.
 
2012-08-13 04:16:19 PM  
I'd still put my money on Bolt throwing a better spiral than Denard.
 
2012-08-13 04:20:09 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.


Bolt was slow off the blocks because he was worried about a false start - like the one that DQ'ed him from the 2011 World championships. He might not have that concern in a non-race against Denard.

Then again, he did get beat by HRH Prince Harry, so I guess anything's possible.
 
2012-08-13 04:21:39 PM  

jbuist: I padded the number a bit. A 100 lb person running at 10 mph would take about 20 seconds to cover 100 meters, and she would burn about 4 calories, as estimated using the calculator at Health Discovery. A 150 lb. person running at 10 mph would burn about 7 calories, and a 200 lb person would burn about 9 calories.


I think the calorie burn afterward would be a lot bigger. Bolt running 100m is sort of like one of those monster weightlifters doing a 500 lb clean and jerk. It doesn't take very long or burn that many calories directly but it's pretty hard on the body and is going to require some muscle repair.
 
2012-08-13 04:21:52 PM  
I bet I'd only lose to Bolt by 1 or 2 seconds in the first 5 meters of a race.
 
2012-08-13 04:23:58 PM  
"Denard probably couldn't beat him at 100 meters"

Thanks guy from the article. I think that it has been previously established and recently confirmed that the set of people who can beat usain bolt in the 100m race has zero members.
 
2012-08-13 04:24:32 PM  
Usain Bolt should spend the rest of the year unexpectedly showing up wherever these idiots train and whipping them at a 40-yard-dash. If buy that video
 
2012-08-13 04:25:19 PM  

slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.


No he is not.

Football 40s have the clock start on the runner. In track, the runner starts on the clock/gun. It is .15 each way, .3 total.

Any national class sprinter will destroy every football player in the 40. The only exceptions are the guys who were also NCAA sprint champs.
 
2012-08-13 04:27:50 PM  

ole prophet: Attention arseholes! A 40 is not an actual race. Step up to a 60m if you want to stop sounding like idiots.


That is an underrated race. Our College had the fastest kid at that race...AND HE WAS WHITE.

The sprinters were explaining it to me, that the most beneficial exercises for that race were olympic lifts (clean, jerk, snatch and have fun rearranging those words).

Also blocks are supposed to help your starts only if you are good at using them. It gets harder to use them the taller you get. I didn't use them in the 110s because at my level I thought they hurt my time, but oher racers would be stubborn and use them which I thought hurt their time.
 
2012-08-13 04:27:50 PM  
Are there any Olympians currently in the NFL? The last one I remember was James Jett. He actually beat Lewis for 4th place in the trials for the Olympics, which put him on the 4x100 relay. But they let Lewis run in the Olympics and Jett was an alternate. Still got a gold medal though.
 
2012-08-13 04:28:27 PM  

HaywoodJablonski: Usain Bolt should spend the rest of the year unexpectedly showing up wherever these idiots train and whipping them at a 40-yard-dash. If buy that video


Great idea.

Though he should offer 2:1 odds, minimum $50k bet.
 
2012-08-13 04:29:17 PM  

bacongood: slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.

No he is not.

Football 40s have the clock start on the runner. In track, the runner starts on the clock/gun. It is .15 each way, .3 total.

Any national class sprinter will destroy every football player in the 40. The only exceptions are the guys who were also NCAA sprint champs.


Along those lines, Jeff Demps would pose a bigger challenge to Bolt in the 40. He's insanely fast, has experience with the 40, and his PR in the 60m is 6.52, not too far behind Bolt. Besides, everyone knows Bolt is slowest in the first 40m.
 
2012-08-13 04:30:30 PM  

dletter: The Stealth Hippopotamus: slayer199: ***snip***


As a WR, you are trying to get the quickest start possible from a standing position, which is why some cornerbacks will try to jam them at the line to throw off route timing. At the combine, there are no pads or defenders, which is why some teams try to downplay how fast a guy really is in a football setting, no matter what their 40 time is.

In a flat track sprint, I would take Bolt over any other challenger. In an agility race that requires lateral movement, in addition to blazing speed, I would take Mike Vick (in his prime), Devin Hester, and Cam Newton in that order. In a football game, I would take Barry Sanders over anyone.

Seems an appropriate MadLibs copypasta from a thread long ago:

1) Pick your favorite running event, I don't care.

2) Give Bolt 2 weeks to train.

3) Then give him a blocks start and a standing start vs. you and your football player.

You won't have a chance.

Not because he's a great runner, which he is, but because he has such a huge speed advantage over your football player.
 
2012-08-13 04:31:56 PM  

dletter: The Stealth Hippopotamus: slayer199: Bolt is slow out of the block...he was trailing the competition at 40 in every race....but by 60 he had caught up and by 80 he was pulling away easily.

Denard runs a 4.32 40 yard dash. Usain Bolts' 40m split was 4.65 and there are 43.7445 yards in 40 meters...so yeah, Denard is faster in the 40 yard dash.

Bolt never ran a 40. I'm sure his plan would be different if he did.

That is true... would be interesting for these runners to "train" for a 40.... but, it is a point that these really fast NFL WRs train to be fast 30-40 yards down the field... they don't really have use to be fast the full length of a football field..... although would be interesting, could you get enough hangtime on a kickoff to have a world class runner be ready to tackle the receiver immediately on a kickoff return?

Also, I am not totally aware... are those 40 times in pads or out of pads? I think out right at the combine?


I knew Bolt was slowish comparitively out of the blocks, but there's be no reason to not train for the first 40 (accelleration), there'd be no energy wasted. You can't get tired in 100m, most humans who train for specific sprinting events don't have to conserve energy or experience fatigue until around 150m-200m. I'd guess Bolt is slow out of the blocks due to his height and (as mentioned) the ramifications of a false start.

This should be more a discussion of Denard's world class speed if it is as he says. 40 times have always been very subjective based on assistant coach hand timers, though they are getting more and more precise with laser-measured starts and finish lines.

For me, because it was at a time when I was most intersted, watching Andre Cason and Leroy Burrell running the 60m Indoors was when humans were fastest at accellerating to top speed.
 
2012-08-13 04:35:11 PM  

Eccentric Fixation: Are there any Olympians currently in the NFL? The last one I remember was James Jett. He actually beat Lewis for 4th place in the trials for the Olympics, which put him on the 4x100 relay. But they let Lewis run in the Olympics and Jett was an alternate. Still got a gold medal though.


RGIII would have been an Olympic caliber 400 hurdler if he had stuck with it but he doesn't have the insane burst and top end speed that the 100m guys have.

Trindon Holliday was a 10 flat 100m runner which isn't Olympic level but is pretty damn fast. I think Gatlin tried out for some team or another when he picked up a drug ban from sprinting but even though he was fast as hell he couldn't play.
 
2012-08-13 04:36:40 PM  
John Cena could beat Usain Bolt in the 100, because John Cena always overcomes the odds.
 
2012-08-13 04:43:41 PM  

you have pee hands: RGIII would have been an Olympic caliber 400 hurdler if he had stuck with it but he doesn't have the insane burst and top end speed that the 100m guys have.


Yeah he ran a 13.28(going from subway commercial memory), which would get him in the finals. That's farking impressive given that he's got a heavy upper body.
 
2012-08-13 04:53:16 PM  
Usain bolt ran the first 40 yards of the 2009 world championships (his fastest 100 yard time) in ~4.35 seconds (link). Subtracting out the delay from the gun means that his fastest 40-time is about 4.2-4.25, which is obviously very fast, but is within the range of Chris Johnson. Saying that some of the very fastest NFL players couldn't compete with Bolt in the 40 is silly, and the sub-4 time given in the article is just ridiculous.
 
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