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(CNBC)   Germany and France starting to stink like the rest of the PIIGS in Europe   (cnbc.com) divider line 24
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2012-08-13 02:46:08 PM  
Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?

Is it just vaguely possible that "frugality" and "thrifty" but still actually "actively supporting infrastructure and the future" would be better?
 
2012-08-13 02:46:46 PM  
...and maybe "don't RAISE taxes, but maybe get all your people who are dodging taxes completely into the system"?
 
2012-08-13 02:59:18 PM  

unlikely: Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?


upload.wikimedia.org

...for the Germans' internal austerity measures. Yes, they had some when they were trying to absorb the Oesties, but that's been 20+ years ago now.

//Or maybe pretty much everyone is farked economically....nah, couldn't be that.
 
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2012-08-13 03:22:40 PM  
rising anti-bailout sentiment in the euro zone core countries could be likened to the emergence of the Tea Party as a political force in the U.S.

Sounds super serious.
 
2012-08-13 03:53:54 PM  
Europe's Core Begins to Look Like the Periphery

Heh. Wallerstein
 
2012-08-13 05:08:30 PM  

unlikely: Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?


Sure, if you can demonstrate they've reduced government spending in a meaningful way.
 
2012-08-13 05:22:26 PM  
Its all because of those damn gypsies in greece.........
 
2012-08-13 05:29:41 PM  

YixilTesiphon: unlikely: Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?

Sure, if you can demonstrate they've reduced government spending in a meaningful way.


That's the point. They haven't done much of anything except cut services, piss off the populace, and scare investors into going Madagascar.
 
2012-08-13 05:35:08 PM  

unlikely: YixilTesiphon: unlikely: Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?

Sure, if you can demonstrate they've reduced government spending in a meaningful way.

That's the point. They haven't done much of anything except cut services, piss off the populace, and scare investors into going Madagascar.


Then we're in agreement. I got the wrong impression from your post.
 
2012-08-13 06:02:03 PM  

unlikely: Is it just vaguely possible that "austerity" the way they're doing it isn't the answer?

Is it just vaguely possible that "frugality" and "thrifty" but still actually "actively supporting infrastructure and the future" would be better?


It's not a solvable problem if one assumes continuation of the Euro.

Therefore: the euro will not continue. Germany (+ Netherlands, Finland) will leave.

/Eventually.

// After economic Armageddon

/// Yay

//// Not really

// Ho hum
 
2012-08-13 07:23:11 PM  
The U.S caused all of this in 2008
Europe is next 2013

Then whole world economy will collapse in 2014 -2015

Countries who before couldnt go to war cause itd screw with their economy
like China will invade other countries

this will be a tough decade considering climate change and food shortages
 
2012-08-13 08:36:59 PM  
FTA: "The euro is a fundamentally flawed concept..."

I would say the currency is not the problem, it is the economic basis that currency is based on. It is probably a good thing to have a common currency, but the way that each country still mostly manages its own finances is the bug. It made the EU too vulnerable to its weaker members. The EU needed its own budget that is a lot more separated from the countries under it.

Far too late to do anything about it now however.
 
2012-08-13 10:00:32 PM  

Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.


Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.
 
2012-08-13 10:59:52 PM  
Maybe they should just take a shower every now and then.
 
2012-08-13 11:55:12 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.


You know who else......


/I went there.
 
2012-08-14 12:28:59 AM  

Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.

You know who else......

/I went there.


Yeah...low hanging fruit and all that.
 
2012-08-14 03:33:54 AM  
You know, I'm glad that we as a species have 'evolved' past the need for actual pillaging to move on to this shifting about of pretend electronical IOUs.
 
2012-08-14 08:03:36 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.


We can forge a world economy that will rule for a thousand years!
 
2012-08-14 08:06:46 AM  

lewismarktwo: You know, I'm glad that we as a species have 'evolved' past the need for actual pillaging to move on to this shifting about of pretend electronical IOUs.


Well, there is a certain cynicism in it - but the fact that we have found "civilized", bloodless ways of engaging in imperialism, colonialism, and slavery DOES actually constitute a step forward for our species, and a step toward eventually eliminating those practices altogether.
 
2012-08-14 09:40:34 AM  

jso2897: lewismarktwo: You know, I'm glad that we as a species have 'evolved' past the need for actual pillaging to move on to this shifting about of pretend electronical IOUs.

Well, there is a certain cynicism in it - but the fact that we have found "civilized", bloodless ways of engaging in imperialism, colonialism, and slavery DOES actually constitute a step forward for our species, and a step toward eventually eliminating those practices altogether.


Yeah... about that. Seen Africa lately?
 
2012-08-14 11:56:05 AM  

StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.


I really hope this is snark.
 
2012-08-14 12:22:29 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.

You know who else......

/I went there.

Yeah...low hanging fruit and all that.


I think that qualified as "Fruit already in little basket with cellophane and a price tag"
 
2012-08-14 01:24:59 PM  

Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.

You know who else......

/I went there.

Yeah...low hanging fruit and all that.

I think that qualified as "Fruit already in little basket with cellophane and a price tag"


Guilty as charged.

Oh, and RickyWilliams'sBong must be new here. (Hint: if there is any doubt, there is no doubt.)
 
2012-08-14 01:45:24 PM  

StoneColdAtheist: Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Flint Ironstag: StoneColdAtheist: Slives: Far too late to do anything about it now however.

Hardly, the Euro-zonians just need to understand the primacy of "One People, One Currency, One Leader". Under Germany's leadership we can fix Europe today, and the world tomorrow.

You know who else......

/I went there.

Yeah...low hanging fruit and all that.

I think that qualified as "Fruit already in little basket with cellophane and a price tag"

Guilty as charged.

Oh, and RickyWilliams'sBong must be new here. (Hint: if there is any doubt, there is no doubt.)


I'd really like to see the Euro break so i can go see Italy and not break the bank on money conversions.
 
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