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(Canoe)   Original WWF title belt found in New York attic   (slam.canoe.ca) divider line 47
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2012-08-13 01:35:09 PM
I guessed Bruno's attic, and then RTFA. Close enough!
 
2012-08-13 01:42:25 PM
Does HHH have any room left on his arms for an additional belt?
 
2012-08-13 01:49:39 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Does HHH have any room left on his arms for an additional belt?


The way they give them away like every 30 days, probably not.
 
2012-08-13 01:52:46 PM
Hey dumbassmitter, its the WWWF or WWE. WWF was not used as their name until '79 and WWE is their current name, so pick one of those two
 
2012-08-13 02:06:38 PM
In before the "Shouldn't this be under the Entertainment tab?" Bullshiat.
 
2012-08-13 02:07:00 PM
World Championship belt, shaped like America. High quality vintage trolling.
 
2012-08-13 02:11:31 PM
The original holder of said belt, a large panda, has yet to be reached for comment.
 
2012-08-13 02:13:16 PM

SkylineRecords: World Championship belt, shaped like America. High quality vintage trolling.


And the United States belt looks like its shaped like Ohio.
 
2012-08-13 02:13:43 PM
Oh gawd...

Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.
 
2012-08-13 02:19:34 PM
Bruno Sammartino, THE MAN!!!
Back when it was REAL.....
 
2012-08-13 02:22:54 PM
i134.photobucket.com

/what a WWF belt might look like
 
2012-08-13 02:23:05 PM

Rustybumperjack: In before the "Shouldn't this be under the Entertainment tab?" Bullshiat.


Well, no.

In the 60s pro-wrestling was presented as an actual sport, not the way that we see it today. Today's pro wrestling emphasizes entertainment; yesterdays wrestling emphasizes athletic ability. Sure, it being a scripted nature is well known today, but in the 60s no pro-wrestler would dare to reveal this.
 
2012-08-13 02:23:07 PM

FinFangFark: Oh gawd...

Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.


"Wheel that corpse into this ring, he must show proper respect FOR THIS BUSINESS..."
 
2012-08-13 02:24:53 PM

cman: Hey dumbassmitter, its the WWWF or WWE. WWF was not used as their name until '79 and WWE is their current name, so pick one of those two


Wow, snap out of it.
 
2012-08-13 02:26:16 PM
Still looks better than the WWE Title. :-(
 
2012-08-13 02:28:03 PM

cman: Hey dumbassmitter, its the WWWF or WWE. WWF was not used as their name until '79 and WWE is their current name, so pick one of those two


i.imgur.com

This means something. This is important.
 
2012-08-13 02:28:27 PM

robsul82: FinFangFark: Oh gawd...

Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.

"Wheel that corpse into this ring, he must show proper respect FOR THIS BUSINESS..."


well after the Katie Vick angle, we know Paul isn't afraid to lock up with a corpse.
 
2012-08-13 02:51:24 PM

SkylineRecords: World Championship belt, shaped like America. High quality vintage trolling.


Actually, the belt was Buddy Rogers' US Heavyweight Championship, which was used as a placeholder belt right after Vince Sr. split from the NWA and crowned Rogers WWWF Champion (in a tournament in Rio).

It was still being used when Bruno Sammartino beat Rogers a month or two later for the title, but obviously the physical belt went back to Rogers, then to this guy at some point.
 
2012-08-13 02:59:26 PM

FirstNationalBastard: SkylineRecords: World Championship belt, shaped like America. High quality vintage trolling.

Actually, the belt was Buddy Rogers' US Heavyweight Championship, which was used as a placeholder belt right after Vince Sr. split from the NWA and crowned Rogers WWWF Champion (in a tournament in Rio).

It was still being used when Bruno Sammartino beat Rogers a month or two later for the title, but obviously the physical belt went back to Rogers, then to this guy at some point.


makes you wonder how this guy get the belt. Knowing those old school guys, I bet there's an interesting story behind it.
 
2012-08-13 03:10:33 PM

robsul82: FinFangFark: Oh gawd...

Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.

"Wheel that corpse into this ring, he must show proper respect FOR THIS BUSINESS..."


"And by proper respect I mean laying down so I can wear the belt for five more months and never actually defend it."
 
2012-08-13 03:13:52 PM

cman: Rustybumperjack: In before the "Shouldn't this be under the Entertainment tab?" Bullshiat.

Well, no.

In the 60s pro-wrestling was presented as an actual sport, not the way that we see it today. Today's pro wrestling emphasizes entertainment; yesterdays wrestling emphasizes athletic ability. Sure, it being a scripted nature is well known today, but in the 60s no pro-wrestler would dare to reveal this.


Let's just say this: Wrestling was "reality TV" before it was a) cool and b) FUBARed by the networks.

/and still real to some...
//...dammit!
 
2012-08-13 03:14:35 PM
vreenak.jpg
 
2012-08-13 03:28:48 PM

FinFangFark: Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.


Considering he's married into the McMahon family, he may get them.
 
2012-08-13 03:31:49 PM

Krustofsky: FinFangFark: Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.

Considering he's married into the McMahon family, he may get them.


It may not be that simple. Vince JR bought the company from his father Vince SR. If the belt was not part of the purchase agreement then the WWE has no claim on it.
 
2012-08-13 03:33:11 PM
That must have been what he was after.....

i7.photobucket.com

/seemed mandatory to post
 
2012-08-13 03:37:29 PM
Well, here's Rogers with the belt

i267.photobucket.com

Here's Bruno, right after winning the belt in May of '63

ecwfrenchtribute.free.fr

And here's the first WWWF Belt Bruno wore for the duration of his first run.

catch-americain.wifeo.com

i186.photobucket.com

The belt remained through the switch to Ivan Koloff, and to Pedro Morales. Sometime during Morales's run, they switched to this belt

www.wrestlehistory.com

Which lasted through the remainder of Morales's run, the Stan Stasiak transition, Bruno's second reign, Superstar Billy Graham's run, and up until Kung Fu Billy Graham destroyed the belt in '82 when Bob Backlund was champ.

Bob Backlund cries after Kung Fu Billy Graham smashes his belt.

After that was the Big Green

www.wrestling101.com

Which was worn by Backlund, Iron Shiek, and for the first 6 months or so of Hulk Hogan's run.

I'm going to stop now, because Hogan '84, Hogan '86, and the Winged Eagle are all pretty well known.
 
2012-08-13 03:47:33 PM

upndn: cman: Hey dumbassmitter, its the WWWF or WWE. WWF was not used as their name until '79 and WWE is their current name, so pick one of those two

Wow, snap out of it.


Looks like found Vince's fark handle
 
2012-08-13 04:02:15 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Bob Backlund cries after Kung Fu Billy Graham smashes his belt.


Someone should tell him a hammer works much better.
 
2012-08-13 04:07:53 PM
Wrestling and Cheerleading are both sports.
 
2012-08-13 04:13:00 PM

Devo: Wrestling and Cheerleading are both sports.


Yes, but at least Cheerleading is fun to watch. It is like kamakazie gymnastics with lots of synchronized yelling.
 
2012-08-13 04:14:39 PM

robsul82: FirstNationalBastard: Bob Backlund cries after Kung Fu Billy Graham smashes his belt.

Someone should tell him a hammer works much better.


www.gregthehammervalentine.com

/considering what he did to Tito's IC belt, you're right.
 
2012-08-13 04:14:44 PM
So glad there isn't a lien on it somewhere...


/WOOOOOOO!
 
2012-08-13 04:50:32 PM

FirstNationalBastard: robsul82: FirstNationalBastard: Bob Backlund cries after Kung Fu Billy Graham smashes his belt.

Someone should tell him a hammer works much better.

[www.gregthehammervalentine.com image 361x352]

/considering what he did to Tito's IC belt, you're right.


I believe Greg is also Meatloaf
 
2012-08-13 05:06:35 PM
Pfft. No spinner?
 
2012-08-13 05:21:54 PM
Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.
 
2012-08-13 05:25:50 PM

No Line For Beer: Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.


Huh. I know they have a ceremony to induct wrestlers.... considering the strange museums all over the country, you'd think they'd build one.
 
2012-08-13 05:28:35 PM

downstairs: No Line For Beer: Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.

Huh. I know they have a ceremony to induct wrestlers.... considering the strange museums all over the country, you'd think they'd build one.


Add the fact that Vince likes money, I'm surprised they don't have one.
 
2012-08-13 05:29:10 PM

downstairs: No Line For Beer: Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.

Huh. I know they have a ceremony to induct wrestlers.... considering the strange museums all over the country, you'd think they'd build one.


See, that would cost money and be productive. Vince McMahon HATES spending money on something that could potentially make a profit.
 
2012-08-13 05:50:36 PM

cman: downstairs: No Line For Beer: Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.

Huh. I know they have a ceremony to induct wrestlers.... considering the strange museums all over the country, you'd think they'd build one.

See, that would cost money and be productive. Vince McMahon HATES spending money on something that could potentially make a profit.


Heh. I haven't been a fan of wrestling since the N.W.O. era, but I'd totally visit.
 
2012-08-13 05:54:53 PM

cman: downstairs: No Line For Beer: Great, now they finally fill that empty display case in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Oh, wait.

/Though to be fair, there is a physical WWE Hall of Fame, it's just an actual hallway in an office building.

Huh. I know they have a ceremony to induct wrestlers.... considering the strange museums all over the country, you'd think they'd build one.

See, that would cost money and be productive. Vince McMahon HATES spending money on something that could potentially make a profit, but spending money just to spend money (XFL, WBF) he loves that


Fixt
 
2012-08-13 06:08:03 PM
They've allegedly been looking at buildings in Florida for like 10 years to build an actual Hall of Fame. Going by that progress, the WWE Network should be on the air in 2025.
 
2012-08-13 07:02:04 PM
[Derail]
I can think of a couple of spots in the Orlando area that would be prime for a WWE Hall of Fame and construction contracts in the area are a steal at this time, but there's a couple of hurdles:
1) Finding an acceptable lease/purchase price on land in the area
2) Finding an organization to operate/staff the building
3) Once you know the size of the land, the building still needs to be designed
4) The WWE is still smarting a bit from the WWE New York disaster. All the potential profits/customers in the world don't matter if the people you go into business with fark you over.

As far as what I'd like to see it be:

I'd love to see a WWE Hall Of Fame with an attached arena. The arena could triple as a permanent NXT arena, training facility, and once a month - PPV auditorium. Make it an extra ticket event or increase the price of admission on PPV Sundays and throw in the event viewing as a "freebie."

Instead of just plaques, display life-size (fiberglass?) statues of the inductees. (I'd go through half a memory card myself posing in front of Bobby Heenan.) Family entrants can be displayed in a series of portraits. And celebrity inductees can be represented in a separate room. (And when he gets inducted, Liberace can have the closet.)

[/derail]
 
2012-08-13 07:04:12 PM

No Line For Beer: (And when he gets inducted, Liberace can have the closet.)

[/derail]


When Vince needs points from GLAAD for some stupid thing he's done, Liberace will be inducted into the HoF.

...But who would accept for him?
 
2012-08-13 11:20:11 PM

cman: Krustofsky: FinFangFark: Triple H is gonna want these belts...great.

Considering he's married into the McMahon family, he may get them.

It may not be that simple. Vince JR bought the company from his father Vince SR. If the belt was not part of the purchase agreement then the WWE has no claim on it.


No, but they can certainly pay the man enough money to get it.
 
2012-08-14 01:02:27 AM

FirstNationalBastard: No Line For Beer: (And when he gets inducted, Liberace can have the closet.)

[/derail]

When Vince needs points from GLAAD for some stupid thing he's done, Liberace will be inducted into the HoF.

...But who would accept for him?


I really do not want to think about anyone receiving for Liberace.
 
2012-08-14 10:23:46 AM
Original WWWF title found in attic
By GREG OLIVER - Producer, SLAM! Wrestling

A major piece of wrestling history was recently discovered: The title belt that Buddy Rogers dropped to Bruno Sammartino to start off the World Wide Wrestling Federation in May 1963.

It was in Johnny Barend's attic.

After Barend died in September 2011, it fell to his widow, Annie, to start going through their accumulated assets in their home in Avon, New York. She has plans to eventually move back to her native Hawaii.

She was as surprised as anyone to come across two title belts in the couple's attic, unglamorously wrapped in a bath towel. Johnny had never mentioned them to her, though she was more than familiar with his career.

Intrigued, Annie contacted me and got me a photo of the "World's Champion" title belt, that had a small, circular photo of Johnny Barend in the centre.

After consulting a few historians and beltmakers, it was quickly established that it had to be the United States title that "Nature Boy" Buddy Rogers brought from Ohio to New York, the belt that was used when Vince McMahon Sr. decided to created a new world title.

"I'm not always that great with the older belts, but I recognized that one immediately," said beltmaker extraordinaire Dave Millican, who makes the belts for the WWE, among other contracts.

"It makes you wonder what else is stashed away in people's attics. It really does," Millican mused. "It makes you wonder what other historical belts, and not just belts, but pieces of wrestling history, are stashed away in attics that people don't even realize they have. Annie didn't even realize what she had -- and why would she?"

Millican decided that he wanted to own the piece of history, with the added bonus of the second belt, a United States tag team title belt, with "1962" burned into the leather.

A deal was struck, and he flew up from Memphis on Friday to get the titles. "It's been an anxious couple of weeks to get to see this thing, both of them, especially the U.S. one, in person," said Millican.

As the matchmaker, I was invited along, and got to (briefly) wear the same title belt as Buddy Rogers and Bruno Sammartino.

In a phone interview, Sammartino admitted that he never knew what happened to the belt itself.

"That belt that Buddy had, they thought, I don't know what they thought, they felt it wasn't a good belt. I don't know who had it, who gave it to them, whatever, but they didn't think anything of it. They went and made the one that I wore all those years," said Sammartino, who does have the original title belt that was created for his first title reign that lasted just short of eight years. It turns out that title, which was retired after a new belt was made for Pedro Morales, was languishing in an office. "Phil Zacko and [Gorilla] Monsoon gave it to me. That one I have. I had it polished up, because it was kind of worn."

Worn would describe both of the belts found at the Barend home. But nowhere near worn out. Someone along the way had the foresight to use plastic ratchet straps to hold the leather in tight with the belt. The plates all need a good polishing, but are not significantly dented or worn in other ways.

It was fascinating listening to Millican explain things to Annie and I, just having gotten to see the belt in person. He made note of the 1962 plate on the tag belt, and how it had to have been used for more years than that, since there was evidence that another plate had been on the leather. Though we were all reluctant to do so, Millican swore that if the plate at the bottom of the "World's champion" belt was screwed off, it would say "United States champion" underneath.

Given that Rogers and Barend were very good friends, Millican said that it made sense that the title belt ended up where it did.

"I think that really the fact that it was obviously transferred back to Buddy, even though Bruno never lost the title back to Buddy, shows that it was really Buddy's belt," said Millican. "At some point, Johnny, because of the connection with Buddy, got the belt. I don't have those answers, but that's clearly how it happened -- it has to be part of the connection."

Beyond that, there are still many unanswered questions, some of which will never be answered.

- Why is Johnny Barend's photo on the belt? When and why was it put there? He was never a recognized world champion, but he did defend the title as a U.S. belt apparently.

- Did Barend get the title belt before or after Rogers died in 1992?

- What jeweler made the belt? When and where? It probably came out of Columbus, Ohio, where Rogers was established for so long and was the U.S. champion.

- Where is the other tag team title?

For the immediate future, Millican is going to put the belts in his safe, and plans to "dig up what I can find in way of old film or old photos."

"This was from an era when even Buddy probably didn't think the belt was worth very much," said Millican.

Fortunately, it is now in the hands of someone who thinks otherwise.
 
2012-08-14 04:41:44 PM

Kurmudgeon: Bruno Sammartino, THE MAN!!!
Back when it was REAL.....


Interestingly enough, he lives about a half hour or so away from me from what I've been told.
 
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