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2012-08-13 02:59:58 PM
Moral of this story: Why the F?!! are you sticking your hand in a gator's mouth anyway, dumbass. Serves you right.
 
2012-08-13 03:02:20 PM
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark.
 
2012-08-13 03:03:58 PM
I think "handler" is a more appropriate term than "trainer" when it comes to a friggin alligator...
 
2012-08-13 03:04:22 PM

Gyrfalcon: Moral of this story: Why the F?!! are you sticking your hand in a gator's mouth anyway, dumbass. Serves you right.



Maybe there really isn't many better things to do in Cleveland.
 
2012-08-13 03:04:33 PM
If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.
 
2012-08-13 03:05:10 PM
"Elephant in the living room" that is...
 
2012-08-13 03:06:04 PM
Crikey!
 
2012-08-13 03:06:13 PM
Abject stupidity: An enduring trait of humanity,an endearing trait to alligators.
 
2012-08-13 03:07:10 PM
Why is it so many websites now whore themselves out to mandatory commercials before being able to "see" the story?

I never sit through them and click off

Obnoxious as hell.
 
2012-08-13 03:07:15 PM
Vertical video? check.
Horrible, distracting background music? Check.

OK, zoom in to make it look like it was filmed in lego stop motion,
then edit it into several non-consecutive parts and play with the speed
so you can't tell what the hell is happening,

and

profit.
 
2012-08-13 03:08:27 PM
You just know the alligator was planning that. Months and months of training, biding time, waiting for an audience.
 
2012-08-13 03:08:33 PM
Alligators can't be trained to any significant degree. Crocodiles are more typically used in these kinds of sideshows because of their trainability. Also, their jaws are longer, so their bite strength is far below that of alligators.

And it doesn't hurt that their teeth are exposed when their jaws are closed, so they look way scarier. But they are just big teddy bears and develop a strong rapport with their trainers after a few months of daily training.

Alligators are just nasty brutes, in comparison.
 
2012-08-13 03:08:47 PM
Good Boy...

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2012-08-13 03:10:10 PM

Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.


I'm of the opinion that exotic animals should simply be illegal to own unless you're a zoo, certified rehabber or a vet. I don't know why we allow people to own pythons, lions and baboons and such. It makes no sense to me.
 
2012-08-13 03:10:45 PM
Somehow reminds me of Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of a hat.
 
2012-08-13 03:10:58 PM
Pythons, lions, and baboons. Oh my!
 
2012-08-13 03:12:20 PM

RoyBatty: Somehow reminds me of Bullwinkle pulling a rabbit out of a hat.


Yea, wrong hat.
 
2012-08-13 03:12:24 PM
dang, i was hoping for a story about cajun alligator being served somewhere. that stuff is good.
 
2012-08-13 03:13:31 PM

Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.


No, to be a lion tamer, you first have to have a lion tamer hat.
 
2012-08-13 03:14:04 PM

RottNDude: I think "handler" is a more appropriate term than "trainer" when it comes to a friggin alligator...


Somehow, calling this guy a "hand"ler might be a bit of stretch.
 
2012-08-13 03:14:34 PM
And on this occasion, not a single fark was given.
 
2012-08-13 03:15:52 PM
Only has one arm and no legs... Seems the gator has been winning a lot, but the guy does have tenacity.

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Actually a solider wounded by an IED getting his wish to wrestle a gator.
 
2012-08-13 03:16:37 PM
Stubby,
Please learn how apostrophes work. It's not that difficult. Really.
 
2012-08-13 03:17:22 PM
Get a big enough one that gets your arm and goes into a roll... kiss that arm goodbye.
 
2012-08-13 03:17:42 PM
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Joe Dirt: There are three rules when dealin' with a deadly alligator. And yes, they are deadly, don't kid yaself. Rule number one, I'm number one. Ya hear that, I like ta kid around. Rule two, the croc's number two. Now before I begin...
Kid at Gator Farm: Hey, what's rule three?
Joe Dirt: What's that? Kid, give me a break now.
Kid at Gator Farm: So you don't know rule three?
Joe Dirt: Yeah, you want a match? My face and your ass! How 'bout that friend? Huh? I mean, your ass and my face, what's up?
Joe Dirt: Here we go, I'm a bit of a crocophile, so don't try this at home. This here's Rocky, and he ain't no puppy. Now, let's see if Rocky's got some cavities.
[Joe opens Rocky's mouth]
Joe Dirt: This mofo knows not to mess with Sir Joseph Dirt.
[Joe puts his head inside Rocky's mouth, then screams as Rocky moves his head up and down thrashing Joe around]
Joe Dirt: [Rocky throws Joe out of his mouth as crowd laughs and cheers] Oh, when bad pets go bad, dang.
Joe Dirt: [Babbling nonsensically] It's like the cartoons, I'm seein' all "tweet tweet".
 
2012-08-13 03:21:15 PM
That's some mighty fined alligator trainin' there, Lou.
 
2012-08-13 03:22:53 PM

mongbiohazard: Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.

I'm of the opinion that exotic animals should simply be illegal to own unless you're a zoo, certified rehabber or a vet. I don't know why we allow people to own pythons, lions and baboons and such. It makes no sense to me.


This documentary was insane, they have an auction in Ohio you can go to and for like 500 bucks you can buy the most poisonous snakes on the entire planet. They showed one of those shopper type publications where you can advertise to sell your old golf clubs or whatever but it instead was filled with listing after listing of any exotic pet you can imagine and many people were just giving them away free"to good homes"...
 
2012-08-13 03:28:29 PM
Holy Crap!!!

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2012-08-13 03:29:50 PM
Haha! I love it. I always root for the bull in bullriding but seeing more of these moments with the popularity of all the 'gator shows. Keep sticking those hand and arms in places they don't belong for my momentary entertainment boys!
 
2012-08-13 03:31:49 PM
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Everybody talkin about 'That gator went crazy!" ... That gator ain't go crazy. That gator went GATOR!!
 
2012-08-13 03:35:36 PM
Moron. No sympathy.
 
2012-08-13 03:46:27 PM

Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.


Netflix? yeah I just saw it too. Scary as shiat. I love how everyone frames it as some sort of libertarian ideal. It's my money and property. I'm the one taking the risk. What can't I have a tiger in my apartment?

And yet the public winds up dealing with them one way or the other, from the emt who has to go collect the severed arm and bandage what used to be a face, to the cops who have to go big game hunting at night, to animal control who has to care for and rehome venomous snakes.

Come to think of it, would it violate separation of church and state if confiscated or abandoned venomous snakes were given to the snake handlers of Appalachia? Because anyone stupid enough to handle rattlesnakes as their church service shouldn't have one snake, they should have ALL THE SNAKES.
 
2012-08-13 03:58:13 PM

rockradio1: Why is it so many websites now whore themselves out to mandatory commercials before being able to "see" the story?

I never sit through them and click off

Obnoxious as hell.


As I tell the children whenever they ask questions such as this: "The bottom line is...the bottom line."

It's always all about the money, honey.
 
2012-08-13 04:07:06 PM
Wasn't there a guy in Michigan that set all of his exotic animals free and then shot himself?
 
2012-08-13 04:08:40 PM

mongbiohazard: Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.

I'm of the opinion that exotic animals should simply be illegal to own unless you're a zoo, certified rehabber or a vet. I don't know why we allow people to own pythons, lions and baboons and such. It makes no sense to me.



I agree with this sentiment.
Not that anyone really cares, but I'm quite the nerd as far as animals go. I spent the greater part of my childhood catching anything that crawled, slithered or swam. There is a crazy huge difference between domesticated animals and wild ones. No one knows this better than the animals.

If you decide to keep, say, a chimpanzee in your home, don't be surprised when if finally gets the chance and rips your face off. Wild animals might look cute because they have eyelids and all, but they have no interest in being cute for our amusement. And something like an alligator?! That thing hasn't evolved since before the dinosaurs were around. Well, other than being smaller than they used to be. Point is - they haven't evolved because they didn't need to. They are about as perfect as an animal can get (beaten only by sharks and lobsters - no one even knows how long they can live.)

In any case, having one as a pet, and playing around with it in front of a crowd is completely moronic.

//Obvious.
 
2012-08-13 05:47:09 PM

mongbiohazard: Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.

I'm of the opinion that exotic animals should simply be illegal to own unless you're a zoo, certified rehabber or a vet. I don't know why we allow people to own pythons, lions and baboons and such. It makes no sense to me.


With the exception of pythons, generally these ARE illegal to keep--unless you have a USDA permit in states with weak licensing, USDA permit and state Department of Fish and Wildlife licensing in states with stronger laws.

Unfortunately, pretty much anyone can claim they're running a zoo or an "educational exhibit" and get a USDA permit, which in states with weak licensing is enough to get you the DFW permit (assuming that they require one at all)--Missouri and certain Southeastern states are a bit infamous for this.

Kentucky (of all states) actually has some of the stronger licensing outside of California--pretty much any animal considered to be dangerous (either inherently or due to zoonotic disease risk) or that is non-native and at risk of establishing a breeding population in KY is prohibited unless you actually can show solid proof you're a zoo or a bona fide educational facility AND are required to have state as well as USDA inspections--generally this means only AZA accredited zoos and aquariums get licenses to house dangerous exotics or potential invasives, and only legit rehabbers otherwise get licensed.

(Of note, Kentucky used to have some rather lax laws, but tightened them up considerably after a zoonotic disease outbreak in a rather innocuous population--monkeypox being contracted from prairie dogs and African pouched rats kept as pets (the prairie dogs and the pouched rats apparently caught monkeypox from some other African wildlife, as the source of the infection was a major "exotic pets" dealer in the Midwest). Monkeypox is similar enough to smallpox that it put a real fear of God in state departments of health and the CDC, hence why there are some very strict laws on the books here. About the only other state I've seen with stricter laws that are consistently enforced is California, and their concern is exotics getting established populations--technically ferrets are still illegal to own there, as are pythons and practically all animals with a history of domestication less than about 400 years or so; fancy rats are barely legal there.)

(Yes, this has successfully kept out exotic animal shows such as the "gator show" described; someone tried to get a boxing chimp show at the KY State Fair shortly after Kentucky toughened up its laws and was told in no uncertain terms that this would NOT be allowed. To this day, about the only groups that can LEGALLY keep primates in KY (and this is all around) are the Louisville Zoo, U of L and UK's medical schools and UK's veterinary school, and a primate rehab facility that houses rescued chimpanzees and other primates.)
 
2012-08-13 05:52:24 PM
Also...not surprised this happened in Ohio; Ohio is (sadly) one of those states with (by far) some of the laxest laws regarding private individuals keeping exotic animals as pets, with little to no enforcement by their state DFW OR the USDA (as others have pointed out, the problem in Ohio is so rife that it's been the subject of documentaries).

In fact, this is the same lovely state where someone running a private zoo in their backyard had multiple large cats escape (and ultimately have to be shot) in a suburb of Zanesville, OH--after MULTIPLE citations of the owner for keeping the big cats in unsuitable, unsafe and cruel conditions.
 
2012-08-13 06:00:56 PM

ArgusRun: Headso: If you haven't seen it check out the documentary "Elephant in the room"... I didn't know this until I saw the doc but apparently you can buy pretty much any exotic animal you want or even get them for free. So pretty much anyone can be an "alligator trainer" or a "snake handler" or a "lion tamer", just because someone has these animals does not mean they should have them or even that they have proper conditions for them to live in.

Netflix? yeah I just saw it too. Scary as shiat. I love how everyone frames it as some sort of libertarian ideal. It's my money and property. I'm the one taking the risk. What can't I have a tiger in my apartment?

And yet the public winds up dealing with them one way or the other, from the emt who has to go collect the severed arm and bandage what used to be a face, to the cops who have to go big game hunting at night, to animal control who has to care for and rehome venomous snakes.

Come to think of it, would it violate separation of church and state if confiscated or abandoned venomous snakes were given to the snake handlers of Appalachia? Because anyone stupid enough to handle rattlesnakes as their church service shouldn't have one snake, they should have ALL THE SNAKES.


Actually, they COULDN'T give those snakes to "snake handler" churches for multiple reasons:

a) At least in Kentucky, timber rattlers are not only considered to be threatened (if not outright endangered) but are explicitly defined as dangerous wildlife that can only be kept by a licensed zoo or rehabber registered with the State Department of Fish and Wildlife.

b) Interestingly, the use of venomous reptiles in religious services is specifically illegal in Kentucky and has been since 1948 (when a number of followers died); it's a misdemeanor fine of $50 to $250 per offense (which is a fair chunk of money to the sorts of folks who worship in "snake handlin'" Oneness Pentecostal churches) and the snakes get confiscated by the DFW. The same generally tends to be true of most Appalachian states where "snake handlin'" churches exist (TN and Alabama also specifically have laws against this).

c) From what I have generally heard thirdhand (from people who've lived and/or went to college in areas where "snake handlin'" churches exist) it's generally the practice to capture snakes before services and to release them afterward specifically so DFW doesn't confiscate the snakes and so there's no evidence of illegal activity.

d) In Kentucky at least (due to how the law is written in prohibiting the use of venomous reptiles in church services), many of the "snake handlin'" churches get around the law by having "Bible studies" in the home where the snakes get brought out. (In this case, it's now actually a larger penalty if they get caught, but until recently there actually wasn't a law against keeping "hot" herps without a license.)
 
2012-08-13 06:30:24 PM
That was a little one too. I hate to see what would have happened with a bigger one. I hate to see this kind of thing happen.
 
2012-08-13 08:03:44 PM
Not a very good alligator trainer then?

Does he have a hat?
 
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