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(NPR)   LA to NYC in 46 minutes? Welcome to the future of hypersonic flying   (npr.org ) divider line
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2012-08-13 03:09:46 PM  
phasers.celsius1414.com

Would you like the chicken or the fish?
 
2012-08-13 03:10:03 PM  

WelldeadLink: Make that 146 minutes, because snowflake ears will require flying from NY to LA over Panama.



Not to mention all the folks who will have their windows shattered between those places every time it flies over. I remember sonic booms being a multiple daily occurrence over San Diego. My uncles house outside of Del Mar had the old Phantoms, the F-111s and later the F-14s fly over 20 or more times a day under 500 feet altitude, pushing up right against trans-sonic speeds and sometimes going over that. The resultant boom being well over 130 Db and shattering glass. This wasn't outlawed until 1972 and the pilots pretty much still ignored the regulations for 10 years after that. It wasn't until the area got built up with tract houses and mini-malls and such that they cracked down. It used to be rural, now it looks like Malvina Reynolds worst nightmare.
 
2012-08-13 03:12:46 PM  
You guys are crazy. No way this is being designed for transport due to the reasons pointed out in all of these comments.

This is clearly a weapons/surveillance platform.

Satellites are expensive to move and that moving uses a finite amount of fuel stored on board.

Need to know what is happening over a small portion of the world 7,000 miles away that isn't normally covered by satellite or won't be covered for another 8 hours? No problem, we'll have eyes on target in an hour. Decide that the target 7,000 miles away needs eliminated? Slam your payload into it at 3,000mph and you'll make quite the crater just from kinetic energy alone.
 
2012-08-13 03:14:54 PM  

95629: 3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.


I don't believe you can hear the sonic boom from inside the plane, if that's what you're getting at.
 
2012-08-13 03:16:23 PM  

Harry Freakstorm: One hour trying to park at the airport

45 minutes waiting for the shuttle to take you to the airport

One hour in line, waiting for the ticket agent

One and a half hours waiting in line for your TSA grope

Two hours waiting for the hypersonic jet to arrive from Cleavland ("Good news everybody! The pilot has reported that he has departed Fort Worth! He only has to stop at Little Rock, Indianapolis, Dayton,...")
Two hours sitting on the runway waiting for clearance from Clarence.


Yeah, but none of those are as annoying as sitting in the plane. I *hate* sitting in a plane for more than an hour... I'm antsy.
 
2012-08-13 03:16:30 PM  

LordOfThePings: [phasers.celsius1414.com image 333x385]

Would you like the chicken or the fish?


Yes, I remember, I had the lasagna.
 
2012-08-13 03:20:21 PM  
They will still lose your luggage in Atlanta.
 
2012-08-13 03:22:29 PM  
i172.photobucket.com

Still waiting.
 
2012-08-13 03:22:32 PM  
Gimme on o' them engines. I got an Impala

Jato car
 
2012-08-13 03:22:38 PM  
i270.photobucket.com

Can't wait.
 
2012-08-13 03:22:54 PM  

GungFu: [web-omnibus.com image 692x545]

Space Elevators, yo!

More fun as well.


Reality, yo!

Not as fun, but there you go.
 
2012-08-13 03:29:05 PM  
Gonna make a hypersonic make outta youuuu
Don't stop me now...
 
2012-08-13 03:30:06 PM  

95629: This will never happen for a few reasons....

1) The actual time of the flight is a small portion of the travel time door to door. It may take you 10 hours door to door to do a 4 hour flight. Cut that down to 1 hour and you've only shaved 30% off your travel time.

2) Cost. People have shown that they'll make more to get less, not pay more to get more. Air travel is headed towards being a bus in the sky rather than the other direction.

3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

4) Pollution. Same as noise. This thing is going to dump huge amounts of bad stuff into the upper atmosphere.

5) Time value. When the Concorde was created, the idea was that people who valued their time could save it by spending more on a fast plane ticket. That is rapidly changing today with the ability of people to communicate remotely (video/teleconferencing/email/etc). In addition, planes are getting WiFi. Time in flight is no longer "dead time" to a businessman. He can work there just like he would in the office... he's not losing out on that time as much and therefore the cost isn't worth it.

If it does happen, it'll be a small business jet with a small production run for those without anything else to do with their money. Normal people like you and I will never benefit from something like this.


It will never happen because hypersonics are mostly going to be used for drone attacks and missile intercepts. Plus, they still have to be carried aloft by an ordinary B-2. The hypersonics so far can't take off from the ground and hit warp speed; they have to be lifted into the stratosphere for maximum speed. There'd be zero advantage in a faster cross-country flight if you first had to board a B-2 style plane to reach cruising altitude.

So dream on, geeks, but we won't see ground-to-ground hypersonic travel any time soon.
 
2012-08-13 03:33:50 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Gonna make a hypersonic make man outta youuuu
Don't stop me now...


dammit
 
2012-08-13 03:34:38 PM  

wildcardjack: Imagine a world where energy costs are low enough that supersonic flight is economically viable.

/First we have to eliminate 60% of energy users.


^ came here to say what he said, in so many words. This is the winnah
 
2012-08-13 03:39:14 PM  
The 80s called, they want their supersonic jets and original concept back.
 
2012-08-13 03:43:56 PM  
Kit Fister
The 80s called, they want their supersonic jets and original concept back.


Did you warn them about 9/11? You bastard!
 
2012-08-13 03:45:08 PM  
Imagine a world where it is so easy to trick people, that all you have to do is talk about flying really fast from one major city to another, and all the sudden, everyone forgets what this thing is supposed to be.

It's a farking missile you morons. It's never going to carry passengers, it was never designed for passengers. Besides, you wouldn't survive the acceleration anyway, so I'm not sure why you want to take a ride.

This thing isn't a test bed for a new hyper fast people carrier. It's a test bed for the next generation of ICBMs.
 
2012-08-13 03:49:09 PM  

EatHam: You won't make it through security in 46 minutes.


I do.

TSA Pre.
 
2012-08-13 04:02:20 PM  
but is it faster than someone shooting off a load??
 
2012-08-13 04:05:12 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: FTA: "it will accelerate to about 3,600 mph"


The X-15 was doing 4,000+ mph 50 years ago, and we still don't have airlines anywhere near that speed. I don't think this is going to do much for commercial air travel. Cool, though.


Nah, boyee, you must have added a zero to that speed, *wikis the X-15 as he types* 'cause I ain't never heard of something that... fast... before...
...
Two. Kilometers. A. Second.
???
What the fark?!?!
 
2012-08-13 04:16:37 PM  

AbbeySomeone: AbbeySomeone: Gonna make a hypersonic make man outta youuuu
Don't stop me now...

dammit


You heard about my girlfriend's nickname for me, huh?
 
2012-08-13 04:19:47 PM  

AngryJailhouseFistfark: How fast can it do the Kessel run?


12 Parsecs.
 
2012-08-13 04:27:47 PM  
What hypersonic flying might look like

www.pinkvengeance.com
 
2012-08-13 04:30:10 PM  
So, one step closer to a public reveal of the Aurora program?
 
2012-08-13 04:32:00 PM  
pixhost.me
 
2012-08-13 04:53:25 PM  

GungFu: [web-omnibus.com image 692x545]

Space Elevators, yo!

More fun as well.


and I can just parachute to my destination!
 
2012-08-13 05:18:06 PM  
Won't you pretty much have to make the plane out of one piece, if you're gonna expect it to carry any significant amount of weight, just so that it will hold together?
 
2012-08-13 05:42:11 PM  

downstairs: 95629: 3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

I don't believe you can hear the sonic boom from inside the plane, if that's what you're getting at.


I can assure you that was not the point. It's the sonic boom from the outside that gets certain people's knickers in a twist. I remember there was a nationwide campaign to keep the Concorde from flying cross-country back in 1977 due to the perceived disruption the sonic boom would cause. Engineering efforts have been underway for a good while now to help minimize or even eliminate the boom using materials and nosecone shapes.
 
2012-08-13 05:45:45 PM  
We should build this. After all the planet is now for the super rich.
 
2012-08-13 05:51:02 PM  
Plus six hours getting through airport security, baggage and trying to find your rental car.
 
2012-08-13 06:10:00 PM  

skodabunny: Give up on the scramjets, they only ever end up disintegrating or shaking themselves apart. Hybrid rocket engines are where it's at, a la Skylon.

Please, America, take this forward, because if it's left to us Brits it'll just plane never get off the ground.


SABRE is not a hybrid. It is a combined cycle engine. SpaceshipOne used a hybrid.
 
2012-08-13 06:33:30 PM  
Why bother with the risk of constant high-temp and pressure hypersonic flight and just launch into LEO and then re-enter for a shorter duration heat-generating flight phase?
 
2012-08-13 07:34:09 PM  
THEY HAVE TO PET? who does
THEY do.
 
2012-08-13 07:35:02 PM  
Yes.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:35 PM  

Deathfrogg: WelldeadLink: Make that 146 minutes, because snowflake ears will require flying from NY to LA over Panama.


Not to mention all the folks who will have their windows shattered between those places every time it flies over. I remember sonic booms being a multiple daily occurrence over San Diego. My uncles house outside of Del Mar had the old Phantoms, the F-111s and later the F-14s fly over 20 or more times a day under 500 feet altitude, pushing up right against trans-sonic speeds and sometimes going over that. The resultant boom being well over 130 Db and shattering glass. This wasn't outlawed until 1972 and the pilots pretty much still ignored the regulations for 10 years after that. It wasn't until the area got built up with tract houses and mini-malls and such that they cracked down. It used to be rural, now it looks like Malvina Reynolds worst nightmare.


Thunderstorms and Space Shuttle booms don't destroy windows ten miles away. They're just noise.
 
2012-08-13 07:48:24 PM  

pennysdeuce: wildcardjack: Imagine a world where energy costs are low enough that supersonic flight is economically viable.

/First we have to eliminate 60% of energy users.

^ came here to say what he said, in so many words. This is the winnah


Consider it done, after it gets done carrying all the previously described warheads.
 
2012-08-13 07:58:26 PM  
What ever happened to flying cars?
 
2012-08-13 08:11:53 PM  

Deep Contact: What ever happened to flying cars?


They already exist.

*cue link*
 
2012-08-13 08:49:00 PM  

Tubesteak: [i270.photobucket.com image of hot airline stewardesses]
Can't wait.


That won't happen, at least not in America, because of the airline attendents union. Coinciding with life-prolongation and a rising retirement age, the average stewardess will be be 80 years old on these high-value international flights.
 
2012-08-13 08:56:40 PM  
Will people finally shut up about kids on a plane now?
 
2012-08-13 09:04:34 PM  

Deep Contact: What ever happened to flying cars?


People can't drive safely in 2D, you want them yakking on their phones and doing makeup in 3D too?

It's hard to get a pilot's license for a reason.
 
2012-08-13 09:07:32 PM  

Ass Exploder: [pixhost.me image 413x300]


What is this from?
 
2012-08-13 09:28:27 PM  

ZombieApocalypseKitten: Will people finally shut up about kids on a plane now?


Wasn't that a Samuel L Jackson movie?
 
2012-08-13 09:36:45 PM  
It'll be hard to bring this scramjet to reality, when the vast majority of the world's experts on the subject are evidently yakkin' on Fark.
 
2012-08-13 09:48:22 PM  

rico567: It'll be hard to bring this scramjet to reality, when the vast majority of the world's experts on the subject are evidently yakkin' on Fark.


You'd be surprised, mocker.
 
2012-08-13 11:26:13 PM  
What fun is that? Trying to avoid stopping in bat country is half the fun of traveling.
 
2012-08-13 11:40:18 PM  
Came for the Spaceballs/gone plaid reference. Leaving satisfied.
 
2012-08-14 12:18:24 AM  
It would take some engineering breakthroughs and significant capital investment to create a commercial implementation, but I think the long term future of high speed transit is in vacuum/maglev trains. You could theoretically achieve speeds with that that would leave hypersonic flying in the dust, and without a lot of the pollution problems.
 
2012-08-14 12:23:37 AM  

shower_in_my_socks: The X-15 was doing 4,000+ mph 50 years ago, and we still don't have airlines anywhere near that speed.


Pedantic but significant point: the X-15 was rocket powered and ran out of fuel a little under a minute and a half after the engine was fired. This scramjet won't be as fast, but if they manage to reach the 300 second goal, it's a big step up from the X-15's capabilities.

/this does not invalidate the X-15's status as coolest flying thing ever, though
 
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