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(NPR)   LA to NYC in 46 minutes? Welcome to the future of hypersonic flying   (npr.org) divider line 112
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2012-08-13 12:13:19 PM
Hm. That's gonna make joining the mile high club an even trickier endeavor.
 
2012-08-13 12:16:32 PM
Meh.. Let me know when it's 90 minutes from New York to Paris, and everyone gets Spandex jackets.
 
2012-08-13 12:18:33 PM

markie_farkie: Meh.. Let me know when it's 90 minutes from New York to Paris, and everyone gets Spandex jackets.


what a beautiful world it would be.
 
2012-08-13 12:26:46 PM
Make that 146 minutes, because snowflake ears will require flying from NY to LA over Panama.
 
2012-08-13 12:26:51 PM

FlashHarry: markie_farkie: Meh.. Let me know when it's 90 minutes from New York to Paris, and everyone gets Spandex jackets.

what a beautiful world it would be.


Undersea by rail.
 
2012-08-13 12:32:50 PM
Wake me up when it's more than just some slow day news report about an advanced prototype test

/like when they start taking reservations
 
2012-08-13 12:33:08 PM
Didn't one of the other hypersonic jet testbeds vibrate itself apart when it got itself up to speed?
 
2012-08-13 12:33:50 PM

propasaurus: FlashHarry: markie_farkie: Meh.. Let me know when it's 90 minutes from New York to Paris, and everyone gets Spandex jackets.

what a beautiful world it would be.

Undersea by rail.


Eternally free, and eternally young.
 
2012-08-13 12:34:36 PM

RexTalionis: Didn't one of the other hypersonic jet testbeds vibrate itself apart when it got itself up to speed?


And it stole a bucks worth of quarters, too
 
2012-08-13 12:39:37 PM
Now if they could only get it down to 26 minutes, I could be at the gym in time.
 
2012-08-13 12:39:55 PM
You won't make it through security in 46 minutes.
 
2012-08-13 12:55:43 PM
"After about 300 seconds, the test craft is supposed to break up and fall into the ocean."

Um.
 
2012-08-13 12:57:34 PM

RexTalionis: Didn't one of the other hypersonic jet testbeds vibrate itself apart when it got itself up to speed?


Screaming out for a "your mom"

//evokes images of your mom screaming out, ect.
 
2012-08-13 01:28:30 PM
"Imagine being able to fly from Los Angeles to New York City in less time than it takes to commute from most of Long Island into Manhattan."

What are: paragraphs that have opened Popular Science articles for 75 years?
 
2012-08-13 02:39:11 PM
I have been wondering when the super rich would get tired of 20hour flights in huge super jets and instead had a 5-6 hour flight in an 8 person jet.

Seems like it's starting to happen.
 
2012-08-13 02:40:00 PM

Pocket Ninja: Hm. That's gonna make joining the mile high club an even trickier endeavor.


I'd have to figure out what to do with the other 44 minutes.
 
2012-08-13 02:42:10 PM
One hour trying to park at the airport

45 minutes waiting for the shuttle to take you to the airport

One hour in line, waiting for the ticket agent

One and a half hours waiting in line for your TSA grope

Two hours waiting for the hypersonic jet to arrive from Cleavland ("Good news everybody! The pilot has reported that he has departed Fort Worth! He only has to stop at Little Rock, Indianapolis, Dayton,...")
Two hours sitting on the runway waiting for clearance from Clarence.
 
2012-08-13 02:42:13 PM
I didn't have time to read the article, because I have to be in NYC in 46 minutes.
 
2012-08-13 02:42:27 PM

RexTalionis: Didn't one of the other hypersonic jet testbeds vibrate itself apart when it got itself up to speed?


i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-13 02:43:05 PM
This will never happen for a few reasons....

1) The actual time of the flight is a small portion of the travel time door to door. It may take you 10 hours door to door to do a 4 hour flight. Cut that down to 1 hour and you've only shaved 30% off your travel time.

2) Cost. People have shown that they'll make more to get less, not pay more to get more. Air travel is headed towards being a bus in the sky rather than the other direction.

3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

4) Pollution. Same as noise. This thing is going to dump huge amounts of bad stuff into the upper atmosphere.

5) Time value. When the Concorde was created, the idea was that people who valued their time could save it by spending more on a fast plane ticket. That is rapidly changing today with the ability of people to communicate remotely (video/teleconferencing/email/etc). In addition, planes are getting WiFi. Time in flight is no longer "dead time" to a businessman. He can work there just like he would in the office... he's not losing out on that time as much and therefore the cost isn't worth it.



If it does happen, it'll be a small business jet with a small production run for those without anything else to do with their money. Normal people like you and I will never benefit from something like this.
 
2012-08-13 02:43:19 PM
Imagine a world where energy costs are low enough that supersonic flight is economically viable.

/First we have to eliminate 60% of energy users.
 
2012-08-13 02:44:41 PM
bbsimg.ngfiles.com
 
2012-08-13 02:44:59 PM
Yawn.

We called that back in the 70s.

27-28 July 1976 : SR-71A sets speed and altitude records (Altitude in Horizontal Flight: 85,068.997 ft (25,929.030 m) and Speed Over a Straight Course: 2,193.167 miles per hour (3,529.560 km/h))

and

the "Speed Over a Recognized Course" record for flying from New York to London distance 3,508 miles (5,646 km), 1,435.587 miles per hour (2,310.353 km/h), and an elapsed time of 1 hour 54 minutes and 56.4 seconds, set on 1 September 1974

Child, please.
 
2012-08-13 02:45:05 PM
It will take longer to get through security and have TSA feel the 'nads.
 
2012-08-13 02:45:24 PM
Bu..bu.. but chemtrails!!!
 
2012-08-13 02:45:28 PM
That whole dropping the rocket thing would seem rather problematic.
 
2012-08-13 02:45:32 PM
Sounds familiar....

horyaalmedia.com

Oh yeah.
 
2012-08-13 02:46:03 PM
FTA: "it will accelerate to about 3,600 mph"


The X-15 was doing 4,000+ mph 50 years ago, and we still don't have airlines anywhere near that speed. I don't think this is going to do much for commercial air travel. Cool, though.
 
2012-08-13 02:46:20 PM

Pocket Ninja: Hm. That's gonna make joining the mile high club an even trickier endeavor.


I guess farkers will just have to settle with being twice daily members of the solo 8 feet under club.
 
2012-08-13 02:49:15 PM

EatHam: You won't make it through security in 46 minutes.


Came here to say this. ^
 
2012-08-13 02:50:06 PM
Give up on the scramjets, they only ever end up disintegrating or shaking themselves apart. Hybrid rocket engines are where it's at, a la Skylon.

Please, America, take this forward, because if it's left to us Brits it'll just plane never get off the ground.
 
2012-08-13 02:50:33 PM

wildcardjack: Imagine a world where energy costs are low enough that supersonic flight is economically viable.

/First we have to eliminate 60% of energy users.


Just put a nuclear reactor in each one. They'll pay for themselves when they hook up to the grid between flights!
 
2012-08-13 02:50:40 PM

95629: This will never happen for a few reasons....

walloftext


Yes, all of those reasons. And the fact that the aircraft in the article is unmanned and launched from the wing of a B-52. That also plays a minor role.
 
2012-08-13 02:51:35 PM

95629: This will never happen for a few reasons....

1) The actual time of the flight is a small portion of the travel time door to door. It may take you 10 hours door to door to do a 4 hour flight. Cut that down to 1 hour and you've only shaved 30% off your travel time.

2) Cost. People have shown that they'll make more to get less, not pay more to get more. Air travel is headed towards being a bus in the sky rather than the other direction.

3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

4) Pollution. Same as noise. This thing is going to dump huge amounts of bad stuff into the upper atmosphere.

5) Time value. When the Concorde was created, the idea was that people who valued their time could save it by spending more on a fast plane ticket. That is rapidly changing today with the ability of people to communicate remotely (video/teleconferencing/email/etc). In addition, planes are getting WiFi. Time in flight is no longer "dead time" to a businessman. He can work there just like he would in the office... he's not losing out on that time as much and therefore the cost isn't worth it.



If it does happen, it'll be a small business jet with a small production run for those without anything else to do with their money. Normal people like you and I will never benefit from something like this.


Even though it's not feasible for civil aviation, this has military applications which means it'll have all the development funding that the developers ask for it.
 
2012-08-13 02:51:36 PM

shower_in_my_socks: FTA: "it will accelerate to about 3,600 mph"


The X-15 was doing 4,000+ mph 50 years ago, and we still don't have airlines anywhere near that speed. I don't think this is going to do much for commercial air travel. Cool, though.


Pretty much.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_2707
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_L-2000

Even at our cheap energy peak, with the full Space Age going on, it made no sense.
 
2012-08-13 02:52:11 PM

95629: 1) The actual time of the flight is a small portion of the travel time door to door. It may take you 10 hours door to door to do a 4 hour flight. Cut that down to 1 hour and you've only shaved 30% off your travel time.

2) Cost. People have shown that they'll make more to get less, not pay more to get more. Air travel is headed towards being a bus in the sky rather than the other direction.

3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

4) Pollution. Same as noise. This thing is going to dump huge amounts of bad stuff into the upper atmosphere.

5) Time value. When the Concorde was created, the idea was that people who valued their time could save it by spending more on a fast plane ticket. That is rapidly changing today with the ability of people to communicate remotely (video/teleconferencing/email/etc). In addition, planes are getting WiFi. Time in flight is no longer "dead time" to a businessman. He can work there just like he would in the office... he's not losing out on that time as much and therefore the cost isn't worth it.


6) Engineering. It's gonna be a cast iron biatch of a problem to make a passenger cabin that will withstand those speeds. I remember reading about the Blackbird, and how one of the biggest issues they had was figuring out how to keep the pilots from literally cooking.
 
2012-08-13 02:54:01 PM

JolobinSmokin: I have been wondering when the super rich would get tired of 20hour flights in huge super jets and instead had a 5-6 hour flight in an 8 person jet.

Seems like it's starting to happen.


Pssh, 5-6 hours is way too long. They're going to go this way:
Spaceships!

A Dutch company is working on passanger travel via suborbital spaceships.
 
2012-08-13 02:54:25 PM
This is great except:

1) the lawyers will have a field day with the enviro-earth-huggers tying this up in court.

2) the lawyers will have another field day the first time someone's snowflake dies in an accident, or is potentially injured in a potential accident

3) The lawyers will sue when a country, (AAAAAACHinaOOOO!!!), excuse me, will create the same thing, but it will cost 1/2 the price, being unburdened by pesky regulatory safety rules regarding manufacturing or operating such a craft.

So, as Shakespeare once wrote, "The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers!"
 
2012-08-13 02:54:47 PM

czei: "After about 300 seconds, the test craft is supposed to break up and fall into the ocean."

Um.


"Flight 43 now arriving at Oahu...Midway...Guam...Palau...Manila..."
 
2012-08-13 02:55:15 PM

EatHam: You won't make it through security in 46 minutes.


Yeah, no kidding. You're gonna have to spend like 3 hours taking a cab over there, baggage check-in, security, and general "buffer zone" time. Your plane will probably be delayed anyways. You may end up on the tarmac for 4 hours. The fact that your trip a few states over will only take 20 min is irrelevant, it's still basically your entire day.
 
2012-08-13 02:57:27 PM
How fast can it do the Kessel run?
 
2012-08-13 03:00:35 PM

FlashHarry: markie_farkie: Meh.. Let me know when it's 90 minutes from New York to Paris, and everyone gets Spandex jackets.

what a beautiful wonderful world it would be.

 
2012-08-13 03:02:25 PM

czei: "After about 300 seconds, the test craft is supposed to break up and fall into the ocean."

Um.


Yeah, its a test flight to test an engine. It doesn't have any landing abilities and couldn't slow down to land if had them, creating an aircraft that could would be probably 10x the cost. So its options are 1) keep flying till it crashes somewhere in Asia, or 2) Self Destruct.
 
2012-08-13 03:04:10 PM
Barry Newman unavailable for comment.
bucketfountain.com
 
2012-08-13 03:04:29 PM
Given the amount of fuel this will use, it's going to be military-only for the foreseeable future.
 
2012-08-13 03:04:36 PM

95629: This will never happen for a few reasons....

1) The actual time of the flight is a small portion of the travel time door to door. It may take you 10 hours door to door to do a 4 hour flight. Cut that down to 1 hour and you've only shaved 30% off your travel time.

2) Cost. People have shown that they'll make more to get less, not pay more to get more. Air travel is headed towards being a bus in the sky rather than the other direction.

3) Noise. People already complain about the super quiet airliners we have today. They'd never let something like this fly, especially with the sonic booms associated.

4) Pollution. Same as noise. This thing is going to dump huge amounts of bad stuff into the upper atmosphere.

5) Time value. When the Concorde was created, the idea was that people who valued their time could save it by spending more on a fast plane ticket. That is rapidly changing today with the ability of people to communicate remotely (video/teleconferencing/email/etc). In addition, planes are getting WiFi. Time in flight is no longer "dead time" to a businessman. He can work there just like he would in the office... he's not losing out on that time as much and therefore the cost isn't worth it.



If it does happen, it'll be a small business jet with a small production run for those without anything else to do with their money. Normal people like you and I will never benefit from something like this.


I wouldn't worry about it. It will never be a people mover. It will be used to push warheads around the globe in record time.
 
2012-08-13 03:06:03 PM

dericwater: what a beautiful wonderful world it would be.


Yes, blowing dwindling energy on ferrying around rich white people for thrill rides. That's what makes a wonderful world for you?
 
2012-08-13 03:06:30 PM

emersonbiggins: czei: "After about 300 seconds, the test craft is supposed to break up and fall into the ocean."

Um.

"Flight 43 now arriving at Oahu...Midway...Guam...Palau...Manila..."


She's starting to shake.
She's starting to "shimmy"....
She's starting to... to...
"Shudder", Ted?
She's starting to SHUDDER!

/well at least she's not starting to "break up"
 
2012-08-13 03:08:22 PM
web-omnibus.com

Space Elevators, yo!

More fun as well.
 
2012-08-13 03:08:50 PM

EatHam: You won't make it through security in 46 minutes.


Came for this and not really looking forward to the hypersonic patdown by the shortbus security.
 
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