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2012-08-13 12:15:43 PM  
"-I was not at all prepared for the Kaylee sex scene."

How? I'd been ready since episode one.


And where the F was "One More Time with Feeling"?!?!

Over all a very good list.

Ahhhhhh Charisma Carpenter so many kittens died in your name....
 
2012-08-13 12:29:15 PM  
Is it the one where the female casts of Buffy and Firefly re-enact the classic Where The Boys Aren't Vol 1 or did I imgaine that one?
 
2012-08-13 12:47:09 PM  
Good list. I can see why each one was on there and how hard it is to narrow it down. Top twenty might be an easier task.
 
2012-08-13 01:01:48 PM  
I loved Buffy.

Firefly just isn't that good.
 
2012-08-13 01:03:51 PM  
Good, Smile Time was on there.

/look at the credits for Smile Time... who came up with the story, co-wrote, and directed it? Ben Edlund, creator of The Tick.
//SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
 
2012-08-13 01:05:41 PM  
Dollhouse gets snubbed again! "Epitaph One" should have been on there.
 
2012-08-13 01:07:24 PM  

FishyFred: Dollhouse gets snubbed again! "Epitaph One" should have been on there.


Read on AFTER the list.
 
2012-08-13 01:25:27 PM  
Can't forget when Pee Wee dies. F'in awesome!
 
2012-08-13 02:07:54 PM  
"The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.
 
2012-08-13 03:14:27 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.

/No, not that one. If she'd been, then I'd've said "Our Mrs. Reynolds" and "Trash".
 
2012-08-13 03:18:51 PM  

kronicfeld: I loved Buffy.

Firefly just isn't that good.


Dude, you might get killed by the sheer amount of Firefly angst and wankery about to come your way.
 
2012-08-13 03:32:11 PM  
Except for Anya's speech, I really didn't like "The Body" at all. And her speech isn't enough to put it on the list, and never at #1.

Otherwise, good list.
 
2012-08-13 03:32:57 PM  
I actually don't hate this list. Sweet. Although I would have mentioned 'A Hole in the World' as an episode and not just in passing (Angel 5.15)
 
2012-08-13 03:42:14 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


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2012-08-13 03:43:32 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Agreed. Objects in Space is the best.
 
2012-08-13 03:48:35 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Jaynestown is still my favorite. If only for two quotes:

1. "The hero of Canton, the man they calll meeeee."
2. "We need to go to the crappy planet where I'm a hero!"
 
2012-08-13 03:54:52 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Are you alliance?
 
2012-08-13 03:59:23 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?


Am I a lion?
 
2012-08-13 04:06:11 PM  

Nickster79: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?

Am I a lion?


I don't think of myself as a lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.
 
2012-08-13 04:09:49 PM  
I loved Buffy, Angel and Firefly. They have all been over for a very, very long time. Get over it already.
 
2012-08-13 04:40:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Good, Smile Time was on there.

/look at the credits for Smile Time... who came up with the story, co-wrote, and directed it? Ben Edlund, creator of The Tick.
//SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON


Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.
 
2012-08-13 04:42:42 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?
 
2012-08-13 05:00:05 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: I actually don't hate this list. Sweet. Although I would have mentioned 'A Hole in the World' as an episode and not just in passing (Angel 5.15)


This, this, and more this

Not having "hole in the world" in this list is a travesty.

/At least they got "Hush" right
//Am also glad "once more with feeling" isn't on it -- it's good but overrated
 
2012-08-13 05:05:41 PM  
Solid list...

The Message may not be the strongest Firefly episode, but his review of it is spot on.

Shepherd gets his Badass moment, (Although "Kneecaps" from War Stories was freaking awesome as well, and it shows the viewers that while the war may have made Mal who he is, the crew is his life now, and he will defend them without mercy.

Once More With Feeling is probably my favorite episode of any TV series ever. Probably because I am theatre geek, and also because my work crew is also full of people with great voices, and there have been MANY occasions where we would spontaneously burst into song, and it would almost always end up with us doing most, if not all of the songs from Once More With Feeling.
 
2012-08-13 05:36:34 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


That one is probably my second least favorite ("Hear of Gold" gets that honnor), but it actually has some of my favorite dialog from the show.

Mal: Cattle on the ship three weeks, she don't go near 'em. Suddenly we're on Jianying, and she's got a driving need to commune with the beasts?
River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see sky, and they remember what they are.
Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Mal: Well look at this. 'Pears we got here just in the nick of time. What does that make us?
Zoë: Big damn heroes, sir.
Mal: Ain't we just.

River Tam: The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
Mal: See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like.

Book: That's... that's quite a lot of blood, isn't it?
Mal: Just means you ain't dead.
Book: 'Fraid I might be needin' a preacher.
Mal: That's good. You lie there and be ironical.

More...
 
2012-08-13 05:37:51 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


I basically ignored the River and Simon parts of that story and focused on Shepherd's part. Personally I didn't really like "The Message" much either, less even than the whorehouse episode that everyone reviles.
Dude was a whiny biatch that deserved what he got.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Except for Anya's speech, I really didn't like "The Body" at all. And her speech isn't enough to put it on the list, and never at #1.

Otherwise, good list.


Personally I liked "The Body" and hold it in about as high esteem as the author of the article. Everything in that episode was superbly done, from the lack of music, to the makeup artists doing a decent job of making Buffy seem like she went all pale and sick suddenly. The writers were just spot on for some of the varied types of reactions people have to the situation in that episode. Buffy going all childlike with "Mommy?", to freaking out that she broke something doing CPR, to crashing when she told Giles that they couldn't move the body. Hell everyone's acting in that episode was superb. Even Dawn's.
 
2012-08-13 05:37:51 PM  
I'm surprised few people mentioned "Safe" of Firefly. I quite enjoyed looking into Simon and River's past.
 
2012-08-13 05:46:50 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.


They're locked in for 3 more season?! I did notice that about half way though the last season they start cracking jokes about what was next, and went so far as to tell the Vampire Alpha "See you next season". I thought that was cocky for a "little show that could".

SWEET. Now I just need to talk to the casting director about the females he is hiring. The hotness has definitely decreased over the years...
 
2012-08-13 05:50:43 PM  

timujin: Nickster79: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?

Am I a lion?

I don't think of myself as a lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.


Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.
 
2012-08-13 05:50:54 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


It's got a joke about black market beagles. How is that not funny? And I liked the "That's a post-holer. You dig holes... for posts" bit, too. Also, it starts some of the back story for Simon and River.
 
2012-08-13 06:00:40 PM  

EZ1923: Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.


It think you meant "Objects in Space". "Out of Gas" is the one where Serenity is crippled by an explosion (probably my favorite).

I LOVE the intro to "Objects in Space". The scene in the cargo hold, where River picks up the "branch" is beautifully shot.
 
2012-08-13 06:18:02 PM  
"Out of Gas" is probably my favorite, simply because I like the backstories and because the way they do transitions between current and flashback is so seamless you just get swept along. It also has some of my favorite dialog:


Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"

Captain: "You'd have done the same"
Mal: "We can already see I haven't"

Mal: [silently staring at Serenty, fade to credits]
 
2012-08-13 06:18:54 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Yep.
 
2012-08-13 06:20:25 PM  
The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

/forever
 
2012-08-13 06:25:29 PM  
Silly subby, fox doesn't cancel great shows for baseball. They cancel great shows for truly banal shiat like reality tv or the true american sport, 'rasslin
 
2012-08-13 06:26:20 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ahhhhhh Charisma Carpenter so many kittens died in your name....


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2012-08-13 06:28:16 PM  

praxcelis: Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"


That whole scene's great.

Mal: Ship like this, be with you 'til the day you die.
Zoë: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

I also like Mal convincing Jayne to switch sides.
 
2012-08-13 06:33:51 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: EZ1923: Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.

It think you meant "Objects in Space". "Out of Gas" is the one where Serenity is crippled by an explosion (probably my favorite).

I LOVE the intro to "Objects in Space". The scene in the cargo hold, where River picks up the "branch" is beautifully shot.


Yes, yes I did mean Objects in Space. Out of Gas is a close second.
 
2012-08-13 06:35:47 PM  

praxcelis: "Out of Gas" is probably my favorite, simply because I like the backstories and because the way they do transitions between current and flashback is so seamless you just get swept along. It also has some of my favorite dialog:


Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"

Captain: "You'd have done the same"
Mal: "We can already see I haven't"

Mal: [silently staring at Serenty, fade to credits]


My favorite quote:

Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoë: I imagine that's so, sir.
 
2012-08-13 06:38:18 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: I also like Mal convincing Jayne to switch sides.


Jayne: *blam* "How big a room?"

/should have included that
 
2012-08-13 06:44:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: K.B.O. Winston: Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.

They're locked in for 3 more season?! I did notice that about half way though the last season they start cracking jokes about what was next, and went so far as to tell the Vampire Alpha "See you next season". I thought that was cocky for a "little show that could".

SWEET. Now I just need to talk to the casting director about the females he is hiring. The hotness has definitely decreased over the years...


It's not a dead-lock, but he's got a three season arc he wants to run with and the actors have said they'd be on board for it. With CW moving it to Wednesdays, I imagine as long as it does even decent numbers I don't think they'd want to cancel it. They've stuck with it so far.

Plus, with it now on Netflix Instant they should be picking up new viewers.

/that's how I got into it
//and Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead, and...
 
2012-08-13 07:04:09 PM  

rickycal78:

Personally I liked "The Body" and hold it in about as high esteem as the author of the article. Everything in that episode was superbly done, from the lack of music, to the makeup artists doing a decent job of making Buffy seem like she went all pale and sick suddenly. The writers were just spot on for some of the varied types of reactions people have to the situation in that episode. Buffy going all childlike with "Mommy?", to freaking out that she broke something doing CPR, to crashing when she told Giles that they couldn't move the body. Hell everyone's acting in that episode was superb. Even Dawn's.


While it's a great episode, it 'tried' a little too hard to merit a top spot. For example, when the ambulance folks were there and they were telling Buffy that her mother was dead, they would cut to scenes where they showed the big guy's back for most of the picture and Buffy was only on like the leftmost 10% of the screen to give it more 'effect'. Also when they were at the hospital and they voiceover the doctor to give the effect that Buffy was only hearing lies from the doc. There were a ton of great things about this episode (top among them the Willow/Tara scene and immediately after when Xander and Anya come over) there were some things like this that just made me feel it 'tried' too hard in places.

Since I'm surprised no one's done this yet I'll start (I haven't seen Firefly so you'll get a Buffy/Angel favorite list)

Buffy
1) Hush S4.10
2) New Moon Rising S4.19 (a highly underrated episode in my opinion, though they botch Willow's coming out. This probably gets #2 because I'm an Avid Tara fan and Willow chooses her)
3) Restless S4.22
4) The Body S5.16
5) The Gift S5.22
6) The Wish S3.9
7) Graduation Day Part 1 S3.21
8) Surprise/Innocence S2.13/14 (Lumping these into two because I can)
9) Family S5.6 (Only Tara-centric episode)
10) Villains S6.20

Angel
1) A Hole in the World S5.15
2) Smile Time S5.14
3) I Will Remember You S1.8 (I'm not a huge Buffy/Angel relationship fan but this episode was great)
4) Reunion S2.10
5) Orpheus S4.15
6) Five by Five S1.18
7) Waiting in the Wings S3.13
8) Not Fade Away S5.22
9) Soulless S4.11
10) Are you now or have you ever been S2.2

/I can't believe two episodes from Season 4 made it on my top 10 Angel list
 
2012-08-13 07:32:59 PM  

IlGreven: Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.


Ariel and Trash were definitely two of the best.

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.


You're kidding, right? It's like they didn't even bother to hire a Chinese coach. That was the one thing that broke my immersion in that show.
 
2012-08-13 07:33:44 PM  
I feel awful saying this, but 'Dollhouse' is like a lost orgasm for me. I love the show. I have it all on DVD, and I've watched it through several times (some episodes more than others, especially "Epitaph 1"). I love the look and feel, the actors, the characters, the intrigue, the story arcs short and long, and pretty much everything. It's just that, at every moment, it felt like it was *just about* to hit a crescendo, like Whedon's other shows had for me so many times, I'd always feel sure *this* was the one, and then.. episode ends. Damn! SO CLOSE! There were moments on 'Firefly' that reduced me to tears. There were moments on 'Buffy' that took my breath away and struck me dumb. But somehow, 'Dollhouse' never *quite* did that for me. There were a few moments that came very close. ("Home sweet home" was one that sticks with me for some reason.) But it always fell just a few excruciating inches short of real release.

Part of it, perhaps, is that I was never completely sold on the Echo-Ballard bond. A great deal of Season 2 rests on this vehicle, but the vehicle wasn't sufficiently convincing for me. I found Echo herself very compelling, but I found Ballard too puppyish, too unfocused. Other than his bond to Echo, he seemed to lack a general personal character focus, and it felt to me too much like he was just sitting around with a dust cover when he was off camera, waiting for her to need him for something, or provide some impetus for her to act. I don't know if Dushku and Penikett just lacked chemistry or what. Though I concede that Penikett also didn't do a whole lot for me in BSG, either, so maybe it's just him.

There were many stellar performances throughout the series, but I have to say that I found Adair Tishler's the most rewarding. Her foul-mouthed tirade just before being subdued in "Epitaph 1" was all too brief, but glorious while it lasted.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:14 PM  

Creoena: While it's a great episode, it 'tried' a little too hard to merit a top spot. For example, when the ambulance folks were there and they were telling Buffy that her mother was dead, they would cut to scenes where they showed the big guy's back for most of the picture and Buffy was only on like the leftmost 10% of the screen to give it more 'effect'. Also when they were at the hospital and they voiceover the doctor to give the effect that Buffy was only hearing lies from the doc. There were a ton of great things about this episode (top among them the Willow/Tara scene and immediately after when Xander and Anya come over) there were some things like this that just made me feel it 'tried' too hard in places.

Since I'm surprised no one's done this yet I'll start (I haven't seen Firefly so you'll get a Buffy/Angel favorite list)

Buffy
1) Hush S4.10
2) New Moon Rising S4.19 (a highly underrated episode in my opinion, though they botch Willow's coming out. This probably gets #2 because I'm an Avid Tara fan and Willow chooses her)
3) Restless S4.22
4) The Body S5.16
5) The Gift S5.22
6) The Wish S3.9
7) Graduation Day Part 1 S3.21
8) Surprise/Innocence S2.13/14 (Lumping these into two because I can)
9) Family S5.6 (Only Tara-centric episode)
10) Villains S6.20


I'm not sure I get the it "tried too hard" criticism. The whole point of those scenes you mentioned were to hammer home how much her mother's death was affecting her, which I thought it did perfectly.

I also never understand why some people seem to like "Restless" so much. I know there was a lot of foreshadowing and references but I just can never get into the episode.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:37 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: IlGreven: Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.

Ariel and Trash were definitely two of the best.

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

You're kidding, right? It's like they didn't even bother to hire a Chinese coach. That was the one thing that broke my immersion in that show.


In a 'making of' reel, a couple of the actors talk about how they were coached and drilled in how to pronounce it properly, but realised they really never would. In the end, this is okay, though. This is an English-language show, made for an English-language audience. The Chinese only needs to *sound* authentic -- to anglophones. Chinese is very difficult for most Westerners to learn, unlike the Latin- and Nordic-Germanic languages that are much more closely related to English. It takes years of serious dedicated study. That's a lot to ask of actors who already have a lot of their plate. This wasn't an Oscar shot, and not really even an Emmy shot. More, the show is almost entirely allegorical rather than literal; it's a Western, in space, in the future, but it's mostly about our present and past, the same way the original Star Trek was. If you parse it out rationally, it actually makes almost no sense at all. But that's not the point of it. So it's not actually important if the Chinese is correct for viewers fluent in Chinese, any more than it's important for the cartoonish ship's engine to make sense to an engineer.
 
2012-08-13 08:20:24 PM  
Can I put in a good word for 'The Zeppo'?
 
2012-08-13 08:31:10 PM  

Wolfmanjames: Can I put in a good word for 'The Zeppo'?


I wish you would. Entertainment Weekly did *not* understand that episode. The reviewer complained that 'this is the worst thing we've ever faced' was becoming tired and trite.

So, in other words, they missed the fact everything other than Zander's plot line was self-parody.

/pretty good self-parody too
 
2012-08-13 08:38:46 PM  
48 comments without someone reminding us that Firefly is over. Wow! I, for one, am amazed.

/The trolls have really been laying down on the job of late.
 
2012-08-13 09:02:01 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Plus that bastard killed Fred.
 
2012-08-13 09:02:09 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: In a 'making of' reel, a couple of the actors talk about how they were coached and drilled in how to pronounce it properly, but realised they really never would. In the end, this is okay, though. This is an English-language show, made for an English-language audience. The Chinese only needs to *sound* authentic -- to anglophones. Chinese is very difficult for most Westerners to learn, unlike the Latin- and Nordic-Germanic languages that are much more closely related to English. It takes years of serious dedicated study. That's a lot to ask of actors who already have a lot of their plate. This wasn't an Oscar shot, and not really even an Emmy shot. More, the show is almost entirely allegorical rather than literal; it's a Western, in space, in the future, but it's mostly about our present and past, the same way the original Star Trek was. If you parse it out rationally, it actually makes almost no sense at all. But that's not the point of it. So it's not actually important if the Chinese is correct for viewers fluent in Chinese, any more than it's important for the cartoonish ship's engine to make sense to an engineer.


I guess that's true.

But what compounds the horrible is the fact that Nathan Fillion has the worst Chinese in the history of white people speaking Chinese. And he persists on flaying the language alive on Castle, as if it's his personal joke.

Or rather, someone told him his Chinese was actually really good as something of a mean-spirited joke and no one has had the heart to tell him it's awful in a decade.

/still love the dude
//still love Firefly the mostest
 
2012-08-13 09:22:10 PM  
ONCE MORE WITH FEELING, THE ONLY GOOD MUSICAL EPISODE EVER
 
2012-08-13 09:41:10 PM  
Oh man, I almost forgot about Villains/Seeing Red. I always want to think of those as just one episode though. Tara dying was almost as bad as Fred dying =(.


/bored now.
 
2012-08-13 10:28:53 PM  

RivenSilver: ONCE MORE WITH FEELING, THE ONLY GOOD MUSICAL EPISODE EVER


"It must be bunnies!!!"
- Anya - hot, funny, horny, dangerous and crazy!!
 
2012-08-13 10:33:06 PM  
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Thank you Joss.
 
2012-08-13 11:10:25 PM  
honestly, one o =f my favoritees is tabla rasa.

"Randy! Randy Giles? Why not just name me horny Giles? No wonder I hate you"

\"welcome to the nancy tribe"
\\hate the ending =/
 
2012-08-13 11:32:54 PM  
Did anyone mention that this list fails without "Objects in Space"
 
2012-08-13 11:40:29 PM  
Maybe it's just me, but I found Buffy one of the least interesting characters on the show. Willow, Anya, Faith, Giles, Spike....all infinitely more interesting than Buffy, especially after Season 4.

Then again I also enjoyed Dollhouse so maybe there's just something wrong with my brain.
 
2012-08-14 12:11:31 AM  

Imperious Rex!: Maybe it's just me, but I found Buffy one of the least interesting characters on the show


Its not just you. Sometimes I wonder if Joss made her a bit cardboard and predictable BECAUSE she is the hero. She is the embodiment of The Hero, or The One. The story needs her to act a certain way so the audience is comfortable and in familiar territory. The supporting cast can be for fun and games and heart and soul, but The Hero needs to play to the archetype. This might be true in Angel's case as well.

Mal is playing the role of the loveable rogue, so he gets to have a personality.
 
2012-08-14 12:26:03 AM  
I don't know, I like Angel as a character even after he got his own show. I actually thought Buffy was a bit of a biatch most of the time, and most of the time for no good reason.

I can't speak to Firefly, I just couldn't get past the first few episodes. I did like Serenity though, so please no flaying.
 
2012-08-14 12:30:55 AM  
Buffy has two modes: She has to nut up and save the world... again. Or she goes boo-hoo in a corner before nutting up and saving the world. Because she is "The One" these are pretty much the only two choices a writer has for a character like that. I can only think of a few episodes where Buffy is allowed to act like a person rather than an archetype. The Body being one of them.
 
2012-08-14 12:37:52 AM  
Except for the guys who played Giles and Spike, the actors on the shows were very mediocre.
 
2012-08-14 02:22:02 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: "-I was not at all prepared for the Kaylee sex scene."

How? I'd been ready since episode one.


I am glad to know I am not the only one who has an unhealthy obsession with that scene.
 
2012-08-14 02:30:25 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: IlGreven: Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.

Ariel and Trash were definitely two of the best.

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

You're kidding, right? It's like they didn't even bother to hire a Chinese coach. That was the one thing that broke my immersion in that show.


You're upset that 400-500 years from now in another solar system casual cursing doesn't sound like perfect modern day chinese?
 
2012-08-14 03:10:44 AM  

Summer Glau's Love Slave: 48 comments without someone reminding us that Firefly is over. Wow! I, for one, am amazed.

/The trolls have really been laying down on the job of late.


You didn't read all of them closely. It also isn't a troll. They just had a 10 year reunion for the 1/2 season show that was Firefly. Loved the show, but even I can say it's time to let it go.
 
2012-08-14 03:50:57 AM  
I never watched Buffy because I thought it would be like the movie, which I thought was shiat. I may have to go to Netflix and see what the big deal is.

/was also late to the party in Firefly.
 
2012-08-14 04:04:56 AM  

srtpointman: I never watched Buffy because I thought it would be like the movie, which I thought was shiat. I may have to go to Netflix and see what the big deal is.

/was also late to the party in Firefly.


They're pretty different, in many ways, mostly stylistically. Whedon wrote the film, but had no control over it after that, so it's very different than he'd wanted it to be. The film was played almost as farce, but Whedon had intended it to be much more like the show, more serious a lot of the time. The concept, as he explained it, is an analogue of the high school experience, and this is much more evident in the show. Mostly, though, he was just sick of the jock-saves-the-girl trope, and wanted a kick-ass girl for a change. We're with ya, Joss.
 
2012-08-14 04:07:52 AM  

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

/forever


They're fluent in Chinese like Jayne is fluent in English.

/Not as deceiving as a lowdown...dirty...deceiver.
//Hell, if I'd wanted schoolin', I'd've gone to school.
 
2012-08-14 04:19:17 AM  

srtpointman: I never watched Buffy


The first season takes a while to warm up. I'd recommend you watch the episode "Hush" (season 4 ep 10). You don't really need much back story, its just to see if you like the show. If you like that episode, watch the rest. If you don't then don't bother.
 
2012-08-14 10:34:39 AM  
Out of Gas is probably my favorite episode ever. I have a HUGE hard-on for in media res in general, and the flashback segues are really well done. It is just a really well written episode. Even the dangerously verging on deus ex machina ending didn't turn me off.
 
2012-08-14 10:49:51 AM  

srtpointman: I never watched Buffy because I thought it would be like the movie, which I thought was shiat. I may have to go to Netflix and see what the big deal is.

/was also late to the party in Firefly.


The first season is a bit below par in production values, but still very much worth watching. S2 and S3 are great.
 
2012-08-14 11:44:28 AM  

A Leaf in Fall: Out of Gas is probably my favorite episode ever. I have a HUGE hard-on for in media res in general, and the flashback segues are really well done. It is just a really well written episode. Even the dangerously verging on deus ex machina ending didn't turn me off.


[csb]

When Firefly was on first run I had not heard of it. I came across this episode while flipping channels ... it was very strange and did not hook me.

Since then I did get hooked and, yes, this is one of the best episodes.

[/csb]
 
2012-08-14 01:56:27 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Summer Glau's Love Slave: 48 comments without someone reminding us that Firefly is over. Wow! I, for one, am amazed.

/The trolls have really been laying down on the job of late.


It comes about 15 comments in. You must have missed it.

Firefly- I think I might just be one of the few that doesn't mind Heart of Gold. I like it more than The Message, Safe, and Bushwacked, anyways. While I get the love for Out of Gas and Objects in Space, Ariel is close to the top of my list. It's both a great heist, and has the outstanding Jayne scene at the end.
 
2012-08-14 02:25:02 PM  

unyon: Firefly- I think I might just be one of the few that doesn't mind Heart of Gold. I like it more than The Message, Safe, and Bushwacked, anyways. While I get the love for Out of Gas and Objects in Space, Ariel is close to the top of my list. It's both a great heist, and has the outstanding Jayne scene at the end.


Heart of Gold has one of Mal's classic lines: "Well, lady, I must say, you're my kind of stupid"

And who can forget Jayne's first reaction to the whorehouse: "Whoo! My John Thomas is about to pop off and fly around the room, there's so much tasty in here."
 
2012-08-14 02:55:45 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


What he said.
 
2012-08-15 01:55:56 AM  
Some others that people haven't mentioned:

Buffy

Passion - S2 (Jenny Calendar dies and we definitely see that Angelus is your typical all hat.no cattle villain)
Earshot - S3
Band Candy - S3
Empye Places - Xander rocks the eye patch


Angel

Hero S1E9 (You think I'd know that no one is safe with JW at the helm)
Epiphany S2E16
Carpe Noctem S3E4
Forgiving S3E17) Pissed "good" Angel is a lot more direct than Angelus
Deep Down S4E1 (Amy Acker can stun me any day and I would love the opportunity to disappoint S Romanov)
Awakening/Soulless S4E11/12 - Love the twist with Awakening and loves me some Angelus

Anyways, that's my 2 cents
 
2012-08-15 07:47:11 AM  
I've always been partial to "Our Mrs Reynolds" as a favorite, but then again, that's more of a "first among equals" kinda deal because I love all of Firefly. "Out of Gas" "Objects in space" and definitely all the others.

"Well my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle."

"Jayne, go play with your rainstick."
 
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