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2012-08-13 12:15:43 PM  
"-I was not at all prepared for the Kaylee sex scene."

How? I'd been ready since episode one.


And where the F was "One More Time with Feeling"?!?!

Over all a very good list.

Ahhhhhh Charisma Carpenter so many kittens died in your name....
 
2012-08-13 12:29:15 PM  
Is it the one where the female casts of Buffy and Firefly re-enact the classic Where The Boys Aren't Vol 1 or did I imgaine that one?
 
2012-08-13 12:47:09 PM  
Good list. I can see why each one was on there and how hard it is to narrow it down. Top twenty might be an easier task.
 
2012-08-13 01:01:48 PM  
I loved Buffy.

Firefly just isn't that good.
 
2012-08-13 01:03:51 PM  
Good, Smile Time was on there.

/look at the credits for Smile Time... who came up with the story, co-wrote, and directed it? Ben Edlund, creator of The Tick.
//SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
 
2012-08-13 01:05:41 PM  
Dollhouse gets snubbed again! "Epitaph One" should have been on there.
 
2012-08-13 01:07:24 PM  

FishyFred: Dollhouse gets snubbed again! "Epitaph One" should have been on there.


Read on AFTER the list.
 
2012-08-13 01:25:27 PM  
Can't forget when Pee Wee dies. F'in awesome!
 
2012-08-13 02:07:54 PM  
"The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.
 
2012-08-13 03:14:27 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.

/No, not that one. If she'd been, then I'd've said "Our Mrs. Reynolds" and "Trash".
 
2012-08-13 03:18:51 PM  

kronicfeld: I loved Buffy.

Firefly just isn't that good.


Dude, you might get killed by the sheer amount of Firefly angst and wankery about to come your way.
 
2012-08-13 03:32:11 PM  
Except for Anya's speech, I really didn't like "The Body" at all. And her speech isn't enough to put it on the list, and never at #1.

Otherwise, good list.
 
2012-08-13 03:32:57 PM  
I actually don't hate this list. Sweet. Although I would have mentioned 'A Hole in the World' as an episode and not just in passing (Angel 5.15)
 
2012-08-13 03:42:14 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


encrypted-tbn1.google.com

/Approves
 
2012-08-13 03:43:32 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Agreed. Objects in Space is the best.
 
2012-08-13 03:48:35 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Jaynestown is still my favorite. If only for two quotes:

1. "The hero of Canton, the man they calll meeeee."
2. "We need to go to the crappy planet where I'm a hero!"
 
2012-08-13 03:54:52 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Are you alliance?
 
2012-08-13 03:59:23 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?


Am I a lion?
 
2012-08-13 04:06:11 PM  

Nickster79: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?

Am I a lion?


I don't think of myself as a lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.
 
2012-08-13 04:09:49 PM  
I loved Buffy, Angel and Firefly. They have all been over for a very, very long time. Get over it already.
 
2012-08-13 04:40:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Good, Smile Time was on there.

/look at the credits for Smile Time... who came up with the story, co-wrote, and directed it? Ben Edlund, creator of The Tick.
//SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON


Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.
 
2012-08-13 04:42:42 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?
 
2012-08-13 05:00:05 PM  

ThatDarkFellow: I actually don't hate this list. Sweet. Although I would have mentioned 'A Hole in the World' as an episode and not just in passing (Angel 5.15)


This, this, and more this

Not having "hole in the world" in this list is a travesty.

/At least they got "Hush" right
//Am also glad "once more with feeling" isn't on it -- it's good but overrated
 
2012-08-13 05:05:41 PM  
Solid list...

The Message may not be the strongest Firefly episode, but his review of it is spot on.

Shepherd gets his Badass moment, (Although "Kneecaps" from War Stories was freaking awesome as well, and it shows the viewers that while the war may have made Mal who he is, the crew is his life now, and he will defend them without mercy.

Once More With Feeling is probably my favorite episode of any TV series ever. Probably because I am theatre geek, and also because my work crew is also full of people with great voices, and there have been MANY occasions where we would spontaneously burst into song, and it would almost always end up with us doing most, if not all of the songs from Once More With Feeling.
 
2012-08-13 05:36:34 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


That one is probably my second least favorite ("Hear of Gold" gets that honnor), but it actually has some of my favorite dialog from the show.

Mal: Cattle on the ship three weeks, she don't go near 'em. Suddenly we're on Jianying, and she's got a driving need to commune with the beasts?
River: They weren't cows inside. They were waiting to be, but they forgot. Now they see sky, and they remember what they are.
Mal: Is it bad that what she said made perfect sense to me?

Mal: Well look at this. 'Pears we got here just in the nick of time. What does that make us?
Zoë: Big damn heroes, sir.
Mal: Ain't we just.

River Tam: The human body can be drained of blood in 8.6 seconds given adequate vacuuming systems.
Mal: See, morbid and creepifying, I got no problem with, long as she does it quiet-like.

Book: That's... that's quite a lot of blood, isn't it?
Mal: Just means you ain't dead.
Book: 'Fraid I might be needin' a preacher.
Mal: That's good. You lie there and be ironical.

More...
 
2012-08-13 05:37:51 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


I basically ignored the River and Simon parts of that story and focused on Shepherd's part. Personally I didn't really like "The Message" much either, less even than the whorehouse episode that everyone reviles.
Dude was a whiny biatch that deserved what he got.

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: Except for Anya's speech, I really didn't like "The Body" at all. And her speech isn't enough to put it on the list, and never at #1.

Otherwise, good list.


Personally I liked "The Body" and hold it in about as high esteem as the author of the article. Everything in that episode was superbly done, from the lack of music, to the makeup artists doing a decent job of making Buffy seem like she went all pale and sick suddenly. The writers were just spot on for some of the varied types of reactions people have to the situation in that episode. Buffy going all childlike with "Mommy?", to freaking out that she broke something doing CPR, to crashing when she told Giles that they couldn't move the body. Hell everyone's acting in that episode was superb. Even Dawn's.
 
2012-08-13 05:37:51 PM  
I'm surprised few people mentioned "Safe" of Firefly. I quite enjoyed looking into Simon and River's past.
 
2012-08-13 05:46:50 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.


They're locked in for 3 more season?! I did notice that about half way though the last season they start cracking jokes about what was next, and went so far as to tell the Vampire Alpha "See you next season". I thought that was cocky for a "little show that could".

SWEET. Now I just need to talk to the casting director about the females he is hiring. The hotness has definitely decreased over the years...
 
2012-08-13 05:50:43 PM  

timujin: Nickster79: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Are you alliance?

Am I a lion?

I don't think of myself as a lion. You might as well though, I have a mighty roar.


Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.
 
2012-08-13 05:50:54 PM  

K.B.O. Winston: timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.

Really? Least favorite?

Are you including the one where River and Simon gets kidnapped by hill folk? Maybe it was just the actress playing the main local but that ep was so bad it felt like it was bad-touching my beloved Firefly.

/or were you just pretending it didn't exist?


It's got a joke about black market beagles. How is that not funny? And I liked the "That's a post-holer. You dig holes... for posts" bit, too. Also, it starts some of the back story for Simon and River.
 
2012-08-13 06:00:40 PM  

EZ1923: Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.


It think you meant "Objects in Space". "Out of Gas" is the one where Serenity is crippled by an explosion (probably my favorite).

I LOVE the intro to "Objects in Space". The scene in the cargo hold, where River picks up the "branch" is beautifully shot.
 
2012-08-13 06:18:02 PM  
"Out of Gas" is probably my favorite, simply because I like the backstories and because the way they do transitions between current and flashback is so seamless you just get swept along. It also has some of my favorite dialog:


Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"

Captain: "You'd have done the same"
Mal: "We can already see I haven't"

Mal: [silently staring at Serenty, fade to credits]
 
2012-08-13 06:18:54 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Yep.
 
2012-08-13 06:20:25 PM  
The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

/forever
 
2012-08-13 06:25:29 PM  
Silly subby, fox doesn't cancel great shows for baseball. They cancel great shows for truly banal shiat like reality tv or the true american sport, 'rasslin
 
2012-08-13 06:26:20 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Ahhhhhh Charisma Carpenter so many kittens died in your name....


dear god this

users.forthnet.gr
 
2012-08-13 06:28:16 PM  

praxcelis: Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"


That whole scene's great.

Mal: Ship like this, be with you 'til the day you die.
Zoë: 'Cause it's a deathtrap.

I also like Mal convincing Jayne to switch sides.
 
2012-08-13 06:33:51 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: EZ1923: Just finished watching Firefly, because for some reason I never did before. Out of Gas was definitely my favorite.

An existential Bobba Fett? Yes, please.

It think you meant "Objects in Space". "Out of Gas" is the one where Serenity is crippled by an explosion (probably my favorite).

I LOVE the intro to "Objects in Space". The scene in the cargo hold, where River picks up the "branch" is beautifully shot.


Yes, yes I did mean Objects in Space. Out of Gas is a close second.
 
2012-08-13 06:35:47 PM  

praxcelis: "Out of Gas" is probably my favorite, simply because I like the backstories and because the way they do transitions between current and flashback is so seamless you just get swept along. It also has some of my favorite dialog:


Mal: "Get her fixed up, find us a pilot, maybe a cook, live like honest folk"
Zoe: "Ger her fixed up? So, not working now?"
Mal: "Not so much, no"

Captain: "You'd have done the same"
Mal: "We can already see I haven't"

Mal: [silently staring at Serenty, fade to credits]


My favorite quote:

Mal: You are very much lacking in imagination.
Zoë: I imagine that's so, sir.
 
2012-08-13 06:38:18 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: I also like Mal convincing Jayne to switch sides.


Jayne: *blam* "How big a room?"

/should have included that
 
2012-08-13 06:44:13 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: K.B.O. Winston: Fun fact: He's taking over the last 3 seasons of Supernatural.

They're locked in for 3 more season?! I did notice that about half way though the last season they start cracking jokes about what was next, and went so far as to tell the Vampire Alpha "See you next season". I thought that was cocky for a "little show that could".

SWEET. Now I just need to talk to the casting director about the females he is hiring. The hotness has definitely decreased over the years...


It's not a dead-lock, but he's got a three season arc he wants to run with and the actors have said they'd be on board for it. With CW moving it to Wednesdays, I imagine as long as it does even decent numbers I don't think they'd want to cancel it. They've stuck with it so far.

Plus, with it now on Netflix Instant they should be picking up new viewers.

/that's how I got into it
//and Breaking Bad, and Walking Dead, and...
 
2012-08-13 07:04:09 PM  

rickycal78:

Personally I liked "The Body" and hold it in about as high esteem as the author of the article. Everything in that episode was superbly done, from the lack of music, to the makeup artists doing a decent job of making Buffy seem like she went all pale and sick suddenly. The writers were just spot on for some of the varied types of reactions people have to the situation in that episode. Buffy going all childlike with "Mommy?", to freaking out that she broke something doing CPR, to crashing when she told Giles that they couldn't move the body. Hell everyone's acting in that episode was superb. Even Dawn's.


While it's a great episode, it 'tried' a little too hard to merit a top spot. For example, when the ambulance folks were there and they were telling Buffy that her mother was dead, they would cut to scenes where they showed the big guy's back for most of the picture and Buffy was only on like the leftmost 10% of the screen to give it more 'effect'. Also when they were at the hospital and they voiceover the doctor to give the effect that Buffy was only hearing lies from the doc. There were a ton of great things about this episode (top among them the Willow/Tara scene and immediately after when Xander and Anya come over) there were some things like this that just made me feel it 'tried' too hard in places.

Since I'm surprised no one's done this yet I'll start (I haven't seen Firefly so you'll get a Buffy/Angel favorite list)

Buffy
1) Hush S4.10
2) New Moon Rising S4.19 (a highly underrated episode in my opinion, though they botch Willow's coming out. This probably gets #2 because I'm an Avid Tara fan and Willow chooses her)
3) Restless S4.22
4) The Body S5.16
5) The Gift S5.22
6) The Wish S3.9
7) Graduation Day Part 1 S3.21
8) Surprise/Innocence S2.13/14 (Lumping these into two because I can)
9) Family S5.6 (Only Tara-centric episode)
10) Villains S6.20

Angel
1) A Hole in the World S5.15
2) Smile Time S5.14
3) I Will Remember You S1.8 (I'm not a huge Buffy/Angel relationship fan but this episode was great)
4) Reunion S2.10
5) Orpheus S4.15
6) Five by Five S1.18
7) Waiting in the Wings S3.13
8) Not Fade Away S5.22
9) Soulless S4.11
10) Are you now or have you ever been S2.2

/I can't believe two episodes from Season 4 made it on my top 10 Angel list
 
2012-08-13 07:32:59 PM  

IlGreven: Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.


Ariel and Trash were definitely two of the best.

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.


You're kidding, right? It's like they didn't even bother to hire a Chinese coach. That was the one thing that broke my immersion in that show.
 
2012-08-13 07:33:44 PM  
I feel awful saying this, but 'Dollhouse' is like a lost orgasm for me. I love the show. I have it all on DVD, and I've watched it through several times (some episodes more than others, especially "Epitaph 1"). I love the look and feel, the actors, the characters, the intrigue, the story arcs short and long, and pretty much everything. It's just that, at every moment, it felt like it was *just about* to hit a crescendo, like Whedon's other shows had for me so many times, I'd always feel sure *this* was the one, and then.. episode ends. Damn! SO CLOSE! There were moments on 'Firefly' that reduced me to tears. There were moments on 'Buffy' that took my breath away and struck me dumb. But somehow, 'Dollhouse' never *quite* did that for me. There were a few moments that came very close. ("Home sweet home" was one that sticks with me for some reason.) But it always fell just a few excruciating inches short of real release.

Part of it, perhaps, is that I was never completely sold on the Echo-Ballard bond. A great deal of Season 2 rests on this vehicle, but the vehicle wasn't sufficiently convincing for me. I found Echo herself very compelling, but I found Ballard too puppyish, too unfocused. Other than his bond to Echo, he seemed to lack a general personal character focus, and it felt to me too much like he was just sitting around with a dust cover when he was off camera, waiting for her to need him for something, or provide some impetus for her to act. I don't know if Dushku and Penikett just lacked chemistry or what. Though I concede that Penikett also didn't do a whole lot for me in BSG, either, so maybe it's just him.

There were many stellar performances throughout the series, but I have to say that I found Adair Tishler's the most rewarding. Her foul-mouthed tirade just before being subdued in "Epitaph 1" was all too brief, but glorious while it lasted.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:14 PM  

Creoena: While it's a great episode, it 'tried' a little too hard to merit a top spot. For example, when the ambulance folks were there and they were telling Buffy that her mother was dead, they would cut to scenes where they showed the big guy's back for most of the picture and Buffy was only on like the leftmost 10% of the screen to give it more 'effect'. Also when they were at the hospital and they voiceover the doctor to give the effect that Buffy was only hearing lies from the doc. There were a ton of great things about this episode (top among them the Willow/Tara scene and immediately after when Xander and Anya come over) there were some things like this that just made me feel it 'tried' too hard in places.

Since I'm surprised no one's done this yet I'll start (I haven't seen Firefly so you'll get a Buffy/Angel favorite list)

Buffy
1) Hush S4.10
2) New Moon Rising S4.19 (a highly underrated episode in my opinion, though they botch Willow's coming out. This probably gets #2 because I'm an Avid Tara fan and Willow chooses her)
3) Restless S4.22
4) The Body S5.16
5) The Gift S5.22
6) The Wish S3.9
7) Graduation Day Part 1 S3.21
8) Surprise/Innocence S2.13/14 (Lumping these into two because I can)
9) Family S5.6 (Only Tara-centric episode)
10) Villains S6.20


I'm not sure I get the it "tried too hard" criticism. The whole point of those scenes you mentioned were to hammer home how much her mother's death was affecting her, which I thought it did perfectly.

I also never understand why some people seem to like "Restless" so much. I know there was a lot of foreshadowing and references but I just can never get into the episode.
 
2012-08-13 07:44:37 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: IlGreven: Eh, I liked "Ariel" and "Trash" best, for the same reason.

Ariel and Trash were definitely two of the best.

qorkfiend: The best part about Firefly was the fluent cursing...in Chinese.

You're kidding, right? It's like they didn't even bother to hire a Chinese coach. That was the one thing that broke my immersion in that show.


In a 'making of' reel, a couple of the actors talk about how they were coached and drilled in how to pronounce it properly, but realised they really never would. In the end, this is okay, though. This is an English-language show, made for an English-language audience. The Chinese only needs to *sound* authentic -- to anglophones. Chinese is very difficult for most Westerners to learn, unlike the Latin- and Nordic-Germanic languages that are much more closely related to English. It takes years of serious dedicated study. That's a lot to ask of actors who already have a lot of their plate. This wasn't an Oscar shot, and not really even an Emmy shot. More, the show is almost entirely allegorical rather than literal; it's a Western, in space, in the future, but it's mostly about our present and past, the same way the original Star Trek was. If you parse it out rationally, it actually makes almost no sense at all. But that's not the point of it. So it's not actually important if the Chinese is correct for viewers fluent in Chinese, any more than it's important for the cartoonish ship's engine to make sense to an engineer.
 
2012-08-13 08:20:24 PM  
Can I put in a good word for 'The Zeppo'?
 
2012-08-13 08:31:10 PM  

Wolfmanjames: Can I put in a good word for 'The Zeppo'?


I wish you would. Entertainment Weekly did *not* understand that episode. The reviewer complained that 'this is the worst thing we've ever faced' was becoming tired and trite.

So, in other words, they missed the fact everything other than Zander's plot line was self-parody.

/pretty good self-parody too
 
2012-08-13 08:38:46 PM  
48 comments without someone reminding us that Firefly is over. Wow! I, for one, am amazed.

/The trolls have really been laying down on the job of late.
 
2012-08-13 09:02:01 PM  

timujin: "The Message" is probably my least favorite Firefly episode, that guy was weak and whiny. Out of Gas was cool, but it's gotta be Objects in Space FTW.


Plus that bastard killed Fred.
 
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