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2012-08-13 01:20:49 PM
That's only true if you are a member of the 0.82 percent.
 
2012-08-13 01:21:57 PM

Somacandra: sammyk: Don't forget the debates. I just can't see Romney coming out of that looking good and I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.

Be realistic. No one cares about the VP debate.



For the lulz, I certainly do.
 
2012-08-13 01:22:14 PM
The poll finds 36% of Republicans are now more likely to vote for Romney. In 2008, only 3 in 10 Republicans said the choice of Palin made them more likely to vote for McCain.

Wow. Game change.

FishyFred: My conservative friends think Biden will "throw out some cliches" and then Ryan "will calmly walk through the numbers." At the very least, Biden has to be able to cut through that bullshiat, hopefully by saying something along the lines of "Under my opponent's plan, tens of millions of people who need food stamps and medicare to live will have their benefits unceremoniously snatched away. That is not a plan. That is the definition of class warfare."


Ryan actually walking through the numbers will either put people to sleep, or upset them when they realize that he's talking about cuts that might negatively affect them. It's easy to be a deficit hawk when you think that the entire budget is spent on helping LaShawnda buy steaks, airdropping food into poor countries and broadcasting abortions on NPR.
 
2012-08-13 01:22:40 PM
I don't think the average American knows enough about Paul Ryan to make that call yet. Deficit hawk independents may grow to love him, but he's going to scare a lot of seniors into voting for Obama or staying home.
 
2012-08-13 01:24:34 PM

imontheinternet: I don't think the average American knows enough about Paul Ryan to make that call yet. Deficit hawk independents may grow to love him, but he's going to scare a lot of seniors into voting for Obama or staying home.


My mom, who is a pretty smart lady, had no idea who he was. I had to explain that he was a budget hawk with really bad ideas.
 
2012-08-13 01:26:40 PM

adiabat: Talk about stretching the truth... These guys must be very afraid of the ticket.

From the small print:
USA TODAY/Gallup Polls of registered voters after the announcements of running mates since Dick Cheney in 2000 all showed more positive reactions. Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice. The Ryan poll includes all adults, not just registered voters.


Yes, John Jackson and Jack Johnson truly ARE a formidable pair!

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2012-08-13 01:29:54 PM
I'm reminded of what I was taught about sales: Just keep asking until someone says "Yes".
 
2012-08-13 01:30:18 PM
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2012-08-13 01:31:09 PM

Somacandra: sammyk: Don't forget the debates. I just can't see Romney coming out of that looking good and I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.

Be realistic. No one cares about the VP debate.


They might when the Ryan plan is front and center. They can try to seperate tehmselves from it but it has Ryan's name on it and there is plenty of film of Rmoney supporting it.
 
2012-08-13 01:37:02 PM
I don't know what sort of "bounce" was expected initially.

Voters don't know Ryan yet. Once he's examined closely people will see he's a bright, young, thoughtful selection who can keep the focus on the economy, the most vulnerable aspect of the Obama re-election effort.

Ryan will skillfully shoot down the herpy, derpy Democratic narrative that he was out to kill Social Security and Medicare. He'll school Stumbling Joe in the debate and shave off that widow's peak, cause it's rather distracting.
 
2012-08-13 01:39:26 PM
Much like 4 years ago with Palin, I think this pick was forced upon Romney but the GOP establishment to make sure the Tea Party derp was at a minimum in Tampa later this month.

If you look at the record and his comments, Ryan should scare the shiat out of women. He is not just a guy who thinks abortions are bad like a lot of republicans. He wants to block ALL abortions, even if the woman could die without it. As, has been noted before, his version of the 'personhood' bill that was proposed in Mississippi was even voted down there it was so far right. Think about that. The most conservative state in the union decided that the bill was so far right they rejected it. And this is the guy one heart attack away from being President?

Where is a good 'bad' VP pick like Dan Quayle when you need him?
 
2012-08-13 01:39:36 PM
Since you game is tiddlywinks, don't expect a lot of reaction.
 
2012-08-13 01:41:54 PM

bluenote13: Much like 4 years ago with Palin, I think this pick was forced upon Romney but the GOP establishment to make sure the Tea Party derp was at a minimum in Tampa later this month.

If you look at the record and his comments, Ryan should scare the shiat out of women. He is not just a guy who thinks abortions are bad like a lot of republicans. He wants to block ALL abortions, even if the woman could die without it. As, has been noted before, his version of the 'personhood' bill that was proposed in Mississippi was even voted down there it was so far right. Think about that. The most conservative state in the union decided that the bill was so far right they rejected it. And this is the guy one heart attack away from being President?

Where is a good 'bad' VP pick like Dan Quayle when you need him?


I get what you're saying but lets not be silly. Palin being one heart attack away mattered because John McCain isn't exactly a beacon of health. But I'm not particularly worried about Romney's health. Are you?
 
2012-08-13 01:45:38 PM

lemurs: The expectation is a temporary Romney bump because although this raises his profile, there aren't a lot of undecideds and they don't care about the VP candidate very much.

But if his poll numbers actually drop, that'll be a sign he picked a boat anchor as a running mate.


He might get a temporary bump but I don't think he was down dropping since the last polls yet. I'm predicting that they will be flat for a couple of weeks despite the bump and start dropping slowly again right through to the election.
 
2012-08-13 01:46:24 PM

lennavan: Palin being one heart attack away mattered because John McCain isn't exactly a beacon of health. But I'm not particularly worried about Romney's health. Are you?


He is 65 and I've seen plenty of people that age who seemed fine but made quick u-turns.
 
2012-08-13 01:47:50 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The Teahadists set Romney's platform during the primaries, and the Right-wing echo chamber chose his VP for him.


So what you're saying is that Rmoney is a bold and courageous leader that makes his own decisions based on sound information and impeccable judgment? Sounds good to me - let's give him the nuclear football.
 
2012-08-13 01:54:12 PM
So much for the VP bump in polls. I mean I am *shocked* Republicans will vote for a Republican.
 
2012-08-13 01:55:06 PM

lennavan: I get what you're saying but lets not be silly. Palin being one heart attack away mattered because John McCain isn't exactly a beacon of health. But I'm not particularly worried about Romney's health. Are you?


Of course not. Romney's pact with Satan explicitly states that he is to walk this Earth for 90 years, bringing suffering and hardship to others in exchange for his wealth and privilege.
 
2012-08-13 01:55:16 PM

FishyFred: sammyk: I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.

My conservative friends think Biden will "throw out some cliches" and then Ryan "will calmly walk through the numbers." At the very least, Biden has to be able to cut through that bullshiat, hopefully by saying something along the lines of "Under my opponent's plan, tens of millions of people who need food stamps and medicare to live will have their benefits unceremoniously snatched away. That is not a plan. That is the definition of class warfare."


Biden gets underestemated a lot. Sure he throws the occasional gaffe but if notice its usually when he is interacting with regular people off script. But when he is on the clock he is sharp as hell. He had to use kid gloves with Palin because he did not want to come off as playing mean with a girl. Kid gloves are off when he up against Ryan. Biden is going to play the elder statesmen/loveable uncle and reinforce the "out of touch" image. Frankly I think he is going to make Ryan look like an overeager rank amatuer.
 
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2012-08-13 01:59:53 PM

lennavan: bluenote13: Much like 4 years ago with Palin, I think this pick was forced upon Romney but the GOP establishment to make sure the Tea Party derp was at a minimum in Tampa later this month.

If you look at the record and his comments, Ryan should scare the shiat out of women. He is not just a guy who thinks abortions are bad like a lot of republicans. He wants to block ALL abortions, even if the woman could die without it. As, has been noted before, his version of the 'personhood' bill that was proposed in Mississippi was even voted down there it was so far right. Think about that. The most conservative state in the union decided that the bill was so far right they rejected it. And this is the guy one heart attack away from being President?

Where is a good 'bad' VP pick like Dan Quayle when you need him?

I get what you're saying but lets not be silly. Palin being one heart attack away mattered because John McCain isn't exactly a beacon of health. But I'm not particularly worried about Romney's health. Are you?


After Stuxnet, you should be.
 
2012-08-13 02:13:35 PM

meat0918: So much for the VP bump in polls. I mean I am *shocked* Republicans will vote for a Republican.


Is Ryan gonna cry himself to sleep tonight knowing that he wasn't even worth half a Palin?
 
2012-08-13 02:15:13 PM

Surool: meat0918: So much for the VP bump in polls. I mean I am *shocked* Republicans will vote for a Republican.

Is Ryan gonna cry himself to sleep tonight knowing that he wasn't even worth half a Palin?


That's largely offset by Ryan knowing he's worth at least 50 Courics.
 
2012-08-13 02:19:24 PM
CNN had the Ryan cocksucking in full swing earlier. I was watching TV at lunch and the female news anchor was gushing "I just love him!" she even said he was cute. They had some guy on talking about how great he was and how this is gonna give Obama a big run for his money. They also pulled the "He's great with Democrats. He carries a Dem district in his home state." Gah I hate when the news are big press releases and not actual journalism. I don't care if someone is cute. I want to know much are they going to fark up the economy or civil rights.
 
2012-08-13 02:20:39 PM

Gwendolyn: They also pulled the "He's great with Democrats. He carries a Dem district in his home state."


I don't understand - do people just flat out lie like this and not care at all? His district is R+1.
 
2012-08-13 02:28:19 PM

Gwendolyn: CNN had the Ryan cocksucking in full swing earlier. I was watching TV at lunch and the female news anchor was gushing "I just love him!" she even said he was cute. They had some guy on talking about how great he was and how this is gonna give Obama a big run for his money. They also pulled the "He's great with Democrats. He carries a Dem district in his home state." Gah I hate when the news are big press releases and not actual journalism. I don't care if someone is cute. I want to know much are they going to fark up the economy or civil rights.


this is what the entire "liberal" media has been doing pretty much 24/7 since the summer of 2009. it's disgusting.
 
2012-08-13 02:31:36 PM

FlashHarry: Gwendolyn: CNN had the Ryan cocksucking in full swing earlier. I was watching TV at lunch and the female news anchor was gushing "I just love him!" she even said he was cute. They had some guy on talking about how great he was and how this is gonna give Obama a big run for his money. They also pulled the "He's great with Democrats. He carries a Dem district in his home state." Gah I hate when the news are big press releases and not actual journalism. I don't care if someone is cute. I want to know much are they going to fark up the economy or civil rights.

this is what the entire "liberal" media has been doing pretty much 24/7 since the summer of 2009. it's disgusting.


Gotta have that horse race.

This time, maybe the October Surprise will be just how in the tank for Romney the media has been, like actual memos or something.
 
2012-08-13 02:31:54 PM

Rapmaster2000: Don't you people see? The man portraying Mitt Romney is actually Chilton Gaines, world famous conman, master of disguise, and international playboy. This is an elaborate scam to abscond with millions in campaign donations. That's why he keeps making errors. He's trying to lose!

He's already done it once before under the name "John Kerry."


You'd think he would at least come up with a new backstory though. We've done the flip-flopping Massachusetts aristocrat thing already.
 
2012-08-13 02:36:44 PM

Cletus C.: I don't know what sort of "bounce" was expected initially.

Voters don't know Ryan yet. Once he's examined closely people will see he's a bright, young, thoughtful selection who can keep the focus on the economy, the most vulnerable aspect of the Obama re-election effort.

Ryan will skillfully shoot down the herpy, derpy Democratic narrative that he was out to kill Social Security and Medicare. He'll school Stumbling Joe in the debate and shave off that widow's peak, cause it's rather distracting.


Why are Republicans so obsessed with looks.

I bet you think Palin is a genius because she looks nice in heels.
 
2012-08-13 02:39:54 PM
From Romney's perspective it is. It weds him to actual positions and a concrete history.

For Ryan, it puts him on the stage with the Big Boys, and gets his name out for 2016...
 
2012-08-13 02:40:48 PM
FTA: " Romney pollster Neil Newhouse said in a statement that the findings reflect the fact that Ryan, a House member since 1999, isn't widely known."

I couldn't agree more.
 
2012-08-13 02:42:41 PM

DamnYankees: I don't understand - do people just flat out lie like this and not care at all?


You know the answer to this question, it's "Yes."
 
2012-08-13 02:46:53 PM

jbc: so that progressive PACs can spend the last 60 days hammering Teabagger Congressional candidates.


I strongly suspect the unicorn burger crowd will sit this one out, resulting in the GOP taking the Senate and widening their margin in the House.
 
2012-08-13 02:48:49 PM

gilgigamesh: oldernell: Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways.

The fact that they are still trying to shore up the base less than three months from election day shows you how much trouble his campaign is in.


Is this post a repeat from 2008?
 
2012-08-13 02:50:54 PM

sammyk: Kid gloves are off when he up against Ryan. Biden is going to play the elder statesmen/loveable uncle and reinforce the "out of touch" image. Frankly I think he is going to make Ryan look like an overeager rank amatuer.


That's what I'm expecting as well. "Hey, you're a nice kid but you don't know what you're talking about."
 
2012-08-13 02:52:21 PM
Methinks Romney wasted his pick. The whole idea that the Republican base is somehow principled and needed consolidating is a huge myth. They will always vote Republican. They may not like the nominee, but they'll cast their ballot like good little soldiers. Rmoney used his pick to get people that were already voting for him to actually like him, when for all intents and purposes, he doesn't need that. The key for an easy victory was for him to tap into Obama's voters, and he can now kiss that idea goodbye.

Stranger things have happened in America than a President Romney, but he's definitely hurt his chances.
 
2012-08-13 02:53:37 PM

NateGrey: Cletus C.: I don't know what sort of "bounce" was expected initially.

Voters don't know Ryan yet. Once he's examined closely people will see he's a bright, young, thoughtful selection who can keep the focus on the economy, the most vulnerable aspect of the Obama re-election effort.

Ryan will skillfully shoot down the herpy, derpy Democratic narrative that he was out to kill Social Security and Medicare. He'll school Stumbling Joe in the debate and shave off that widow's peak, cause it's rather distracting.

Why are Republicans so obsessed with looks.

I bet you think Palin is a genius because she looks nice in heels.


I don't know about genius, but I am intrigued by the idea of her heel planted on my chest.

But back to Ryan. You are right. Stop posting pictures of Eddie Munster, Republicans.
 
2012-08-13 02:54:53 PM
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Ever notice something peculiar about the GOP logo? It's stars are upside down.

Sorta like.....

www.jesus-is-savior.com
 
2012-08-13 03:15:26 PM

Dinki: The stock market reacts to Romneys pick

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Obama's is within 5% of his highest performance of the year according to Intrade. The Ryan choice has cost him nothing, and it hasn't thus far given a big bump to Romney.
 
2012-08-13 03:15:41 PM

TV's Vinnie: [blogs.houstonpress.com image 485x405]

Ever notice something peculiar about the GOP logo? It's stars are upside down.

Sorta like.....

[www.jesus-is-savior.com image 200x202]


See, I think they need to update the logo to more accurately reflect the Party's policies...

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2012-08-13 03:29:09 PM
I'm an old-style Republican (therefore, not a Republican at all anymore). I think it's important to be fair. There would not be a big leap in the polls today because the candidate was only announced on Saturday. That's typically when pols announce things they want to bury, so it was an odd choice of days. To see the real results of adding Ryan to the ticket, we'll need to wait until at least mid-week. It may go up. It may go down. But no one should reasonably expect a bump in either direction until at least mid-week.

/Thinks Ryan was not the best choice in a year when seniors and women are so important.
 
2012-08-13 03:54:05 PM

Sybarite: He was obviously a good choice to shore up the base, but it seems like a real game changer would have been someone to really make moderates and other swing voters start weighing their options, or at the very least appeal to a portion of the electorate you weren't really reaching before (e.g. women or minorities).


Steve Schmidt: Well, the data shows we have four things we have to do. We have to win back the independents, we have to excite the base, we have to distance ourselves from the bush administration, and we have to close the gender gap.

McCain: How bad is the gap?

Steve Schmidt: It's fatal. You've got a 20% advantage with men, which is great, but a 20% deficit with women. You've got to pick up 15% with females. Because if you're trailing by more than five with them, you lose.


I wonder how large the gender gap is for the Romney campaign...
 
2012-08-13 03:59:27 PM

Cletus C.: I don't know what sort of "bounce" was expected initially.

Voters don't know Ryan yet. Once he's examined closely people will see he's a bright, young, thoughtful selection who can keep the focus on the economy, the most vulnerable aspect of the Obama re-election effort.

Ryan will skillfully shoot down the herpy, derpy Democratic narrative that he was out to kill Social Security and Medicare. He'll school Stumbling Joe in the debate and shave off that widow's peak, cause it's rather distracting.


Joe may have foot-in-mouth disease, but he's no dummy. That debate might be the best one. Romney has no shot.
 
2012-08-13 04:20:52 PM

BKITU: Surool: meat0918: So much for the VP bump in polls. I mean I am *shocked* Republicans will vote for a Republican.

Is Ryan gonna cry himself to sleep tonight knowing that he wasn't even worth half a Palin?

That's largely offset by Ryan knowing he's worth at least 0.05 Courics.


What's the matter? Did Katie expose the GOP's masterbatory poster girl as a moron? Your butt still that sore?
 
2012-08-13 05:06:46 PM

Surool: BKITU: Surool: meat0918: So much for the VP bump in polls. I mean I am *shocked* Republicans will vote for a Republican.

Is Ryan gonna cry himself to sleep tonight knowing that he wasn't even worth half a Palin?

That's largely offset by Ryan knowing he's worth at least 0.05 Courics.

What's the matter? Did Katie expose the GOP's masterbatory poster girl as a moron? Your butt still that sore?


The joke: you missed it.

Couric
 
2012-08-13 05:23:37 PM

DeaH: I'm an old-style Republican (therefore, not a Republican at all anymore). I think it's important to be fair. There would not be a big leap in the polls today because the candidate was only announced on Saturday. That's typically when pols announce things they want to bury, so it was an odd choice of days. To see the real results of adding Ryan to the ticket, we'll need to wait until at least mid-week. It may go up. It may go down. But no one should reasonably expect a bump in either direction until at least mid-week.

/Thinks Ryan was not the best choice in a year when seniors and women are so important.


If you're an old style Republican I imagine you would recognize the Southern Strategy in practice.
 
2012-08-13 06:47:19 PM

lennavan: DeaH: I'm an old-style Republican (therefore, not a Republican at all anymore). I think it's important to be fair. There would not be a big leap in the polls today because the candidate was only announced on Saturday. That's typically when pols announce things they want to bury, so it was an odd choice of days. To see the real results of adding Ryan to the ticket, we'll need to wait until at least mid-week. It may go up. It may go down. But no one should reasonably expect a bump in either direction until at least mid-week.

/Thinks Ryan was not the best choice in a year when seniors and women are so important.

If you're an old style Republican I imagine you would recognize the Southern Strategy in practice.


Actually, my family is a pre-Southern Strategy Republican family (Dad and Mom were born in the 1920s). I can recognize the Southern Strategy, but the Southern element - the ones who were Democrats until the late '60s and early '70s - were considered distasteful in our house. The Southern Strategy was the start of the destruction of old-style Republicanism. And the Southern Strategy, by its very nature, was designed to appeal to racial fears and hatred, not hate towards women (anti-abortion was not a plank in the platform until 1980) and the elderly (Republicans used to respect age), so I wonder why you bring it up. Were you trying to make any sort of a point?
 
2012-08-13 08:32:26 PM

gilgigamesh: oldernell: Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways.

The fact that they are still trying to shore up the base less than three months from election day shows you how much trouble his campaign is in.


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2012-08-13 08:40:05 PM

hubiestubert: From Romney's perspective it is. It weds him to actual positions and a concrete history.

For Ryan, it puts him on the stage with the Big Boys, and gets his name out for 2016...


Just like Sargent Shriver, Lloyd Bentsen, William Miller, Geraldine Ferraro, Ed Muskie, and John Sparkman
 
2012-08-13 08:41:26 PM

gilgigamesh: The fact that they are still trying to shore up the base less than three months from election day shows you how much trouble his campaign is in.


Bingo. Romney's had to work too hard to pick up votes that he should have gotten for free.

/Obligatory: my blog sucks.
 
2012-08-14 04:43:11 AM

bronyaur1: hubiestubert: From Romney's perspective it is. It weds him to actual positions and a concrete history.

For Ryan, it puts him on the stage with the Big Boys, and gets his name out for 2016...

Just like Sargent Shriver, Lloyd Bentsen, William Miller, Geraldine Ferraro, Ed Muskie, and John Sparkman


No, I'm thinking "Three Mile Island", "Chernobyl", and "Fakashima Diaiici"
 
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