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(USA Today)   Romney Campaign: 'The choice of Paul Ryan as VP is a complete game changer.' Gallup Poll: 'Meh'   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 102
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2012-08-13 11:25:43 AM
they're right. before, romney was running a campaign that gave zero specifics and was a referendum on obama's first term. now it is a VERY specific campaign about whether or not medicare will exist or whether it will be replaced with a market-based voucher system that will cost seniors much more and provide them with much less coverage.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-08-13 11:27:06 AM
Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice.

When voters rate Mayor Moosebreath more favorably than you, it's time to get out of politics.
 
2012-08-13 11:28:47 AM
Your VP candidate who sucks is more popular with the rabble than your Presidential candidate and this is a good thing... how?
 
2012-08-13 11:34:48 AM
Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.
 
2012-08-13 11:39:33 AM
It's hasnt even been half a business day. Calm down.
 
2012-08-13 11:43:15 AM

FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.



Somebody is wishing sooooo hard, his crossed fingers are starting to hurt.
 
2012-08-13 11:43:19 AM
The stock market reacts to Romneys pick

app.quotemedia.com
 
2012-08-13 11:45:56 AM
I think Ryan was a great choice. I can't think of anyone else that brings less than nothing to the table. Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways. He will run off more moderates and independents with his scare tactics than voters he could bring in. Although the "game changer" could be true, it won't be in the way they want it.
 
2012-08-13 11:50:21 AM
He was obviously a good choice to shore up the base, but it seems like a real game changer would have been someone to really make moderates and other swing voters start weighing their options, or at the very least appeal to a portion of the electorate you weren't really reaching before (e.g. women or minorities).
 
2012-08-13 11:54:21 AM

Sybarite: or at the very least appeal to a portion of the electorate you weren't really reaching before (e.g. women or minorities).


For every black person or woman who is convinced to vote for the Republicans, two 27%ers will stay home, pissed about whatever Romney did to attract them. It's a losing battle.
 
2012-08-13 11:56:12 AM

Sybarite: He was obviously a good choice to shore up the base, but it seems like a real game changer would have been someone to really make moderates and other swing voters start weighing their options, or at the very least appeal to a portion of the electorate you weren't really reaching before (e.g. women or minorities).


That's very true, but you're assuming that Romney (or any of his lackeys) are actually in charge of their own campaign. The Teahadists set Romney's platform during the primaries, and the Right-wing echo chamber chose his VP for him.
 
2012-08-13 11:58:06 AM

Sybarite: He was obviously a good choice to shore up the base, but it seems like a real game changer would have been someone to really make moderates and other swing voters start weighing their options, or at the very least appeal to a portion of the electorate you weren't really reaching before (e.g. women or minorities).


Nate Silver made a really good case last week for Sandoval.
 
2012-08-13 11:59:45 AM
A difference of 3 percentage points. The margin of error.

Still, it shows that those polled are, on average, just lukewarm on Ryan.
 
2012-08-13 12:00:10 PM
Talk about stretching the truth... These guys must be very afraid of the ticket.

From the small print:
USA TODAY/Gallup Polls of registered voters after the announcements of running mates since Dick Cheney in 2000 all showed more positive reactions. Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice. The Ryan poll includes all adults, not just registered voters.
 
2012-08-13 12:08:57 PM

oldernell: I think Ryan was a great choice. I can't think of anyone else that brings less than nothing to the table. Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways. He will run off more moderates and independents with his scare tactics than voters he could bring in. Although the "game changer" could be true, it won't be in the way they want it.


Perhaps. If enough money from the Kochs, Rove and Adelson pours into Florida, Wisconsin and other places, and they scream about how Ryan is there to SAVE Medicare, it could prove dividends with some undecideds.

Ryan wants to slash Medicare and replace it with a ludicrous voucher system, but the rightwing is already crowing about Obama "gutting" Medicare by $700 billion. It is obvious they will attempt to use the Rove "turn your opponent's strength into a weakness while taking your own weakness and lying it into a strength" tactic.

With enough money, that lie could become truth to a lot of people.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-08-13 12:10:31 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your VP candidate who sucks is more popular with the rabble than your Presidential candidate and this is a good thing... how?


When you go to cast your vote for Romney, just close your eyes and think of Ryan.
 
2012-08-13 12:11:59 PM
At this point I'm just guessing that Mitt put a massive, massive bet on Obama to win by at least 15 points payable to a numbered Cayman account.
 
2012-08-13 12:18:12 PM

BritneysSpeculum: FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.


Somebody is wishing sooooo hard, his crossed fingers are starting to hurt.


No, he's right. Dropping big news on a Saturday during the Olympics is like hearing a fart in a windstorm. Once people are aware of the new candidate there will be a surge, then there will be definitely a GOP bump following the convention (there always is), and then the Democrats will have the last national word at its convention, which will, in turn give them a bump.
 
2012-08-13 12:18:46 PM

oldernell: Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways.


The fact that they are still trying to shore up the base less than three months from election day shows you how much trouble his campaign is in.
 
2012-08-13 12:39:52 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BritneysSpeculum: FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.


Somebody is wishing sooooo hard, his crossed fingers are starting to hurt.

No, he's right. Dropping big news on a Saturday during the Olympics is like hearing a fart in a windstorm. Once people are aware of the new candidate there will be a surge, then there will be definitely a GOP bump following the convention (there always is), and then the Democrats will have the last national word at its convention, which will, in turn give them a bump.


Don't forget the debates. I just can't see Romney coming out of that looking good and I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.

I also have a feeling the Obama campaign will swith to a positive mode of campaigning the closer we get to the election. The republicans keep repeating the line "he can't run on his record" and it's like rope-a-dope. It can't be that hard for the Obama campaign to dig up some poor kid with cancer that had previously been denied health insurance due to a pre-existing condition that has now gotten the treatment he/she needed under ACA. It's pretty easy to write a tear jerker ad with that stuff. Before and after of highways that were repaired using stimulus dollars. I know there are windfarms online from the very same stimulus. Saving the auto industry. Anyways, there is plenty of material to run on his record. Seems to me he is holding that ace card.
 
2012-08-13 12:42:43 PM

sammyk: Don't forget the debates. I just can't see Romney coming out of that looking good and I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.


Be realistic. No one cares about the VP debate.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-08-13 12:47:49 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: BritneysSpeculum: FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.


Somebody is wishing sooooo hard, his crossed fingers are starting to hurt.

No, he's right. Dropping big news on a Saturday during the Olympics is like hearing a fart in a windstorm. Once people are aware of the new candidate there will be a surge, then there will be definitely a GOP bump following the convention (there always is), and then the Democrats will have the last national word at its convention, which will, in turn give them a bump.


Or the Democrats take the giant turdstain that is the Ryan budget, staple it to Rmoney's forehead this week, and send him to Tampa with polls trending the wrong way for him and a significant number of delegates who would much prefer anyone else, and sink the ticket before Labor Day so that progressive PACs can spend the last 60 days hammering Teabagger Congressional candidates.
 
2012-08-13 01:04:42 PM
I had scrambled eggs on toast this morning, down from a pile of pancakes on Friday. Damn you, Paul Ryan!!
 
2012-08-13 01:05:52 PM
This clownshoes campaign of the GOP is epic fail. They may well and be hoping to eliminate Romney and Ryan in one fell swoop from future political considerations. I mean, just because the GOP tends to be full of fear mongering, crybaby, sissified, freedom and right sacrificing asscaps, that can't mean each and every one of them is stupid to their core. can it? I mean, they can't believe this lying, evasive, piece of shiat that is Romney coupled with the guy who most threatens that which old folks hold dear, their medicare, is the winning combo can they?

Vote ClownShoes in 2012:At least they aren't Niblahs!
 
2012-08-13 01:06:00 PM
Romney Campaign: 'The choice of Paul Ryan as VP is a complete game changer.' Gallup Poll: 'Meh

I'm gonna go ahead and agree with the Romney Campaign on this one. It was a complete game changer. But the polling effects will not be seen until much later when the campaigns attempt to run on his record. Then you'll see the game change and I imagine Romney won't be particularly happy.
 
2012-08-13 01:07:46 PM
I, for one, am totally jazzed that Romney didn't pick the ultra-conservative rich white guy.
 
2012-08-13 01:10:45 PM
Mitt Romney finally decided he couldn't win the election by simply saying Obama blew up the economy, so he decided to try waging class warfare on the poor. In case he forgot, there are a lot more poor people that can vote than rich people.
 
2012-08-13 01:10:47 PM
This pick seems like an admission that they're going to get slaughtered in November. The only reason to rile up the base at this point is to make sure they don't stay home and lead to an embarrassing downticket loss in a year that's the Democrats' to lose.
 
2012-08-13 01:11:42 PM
Just heard from my conservative uncle who lives in the Midwest... "Can I vote 'Non-of-the-above'?"

That's right, you just lost a lifelong, die-hard fanboy, Republicans.

/giddy for november
 
2012-08-13 01:11:52 PM
The expectation is a temporary Romney bump because although this raises his profile, there aren't a lot of undecideds and they don't care about the VP candidate very much.

But if his poll numbers actually drop, that'll be a sign he picked a boat anchor as a running mate.
 
2012-08-13 01:12:18 PM

FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.


This. The announcement happened on a Saturday morning, with credible sources leaking the pick no earlier than Friday afternoon.

For some reason much of the political analysis industry still believes in the 40-hour work week more strongly than the continuous news cycle of the era we now live in, so don't expect the pick to be reflected in poll results for a couple more days.
 
2012-08-13 01:13:21 PM

sammyk: I'm pretty sure Biden will mop the floor with Ryan.


My conservative friends think Biden will "throw out some cliches" and then Ryan "will calmly walk through the numbers." At the very least, Biden has to be able to cut through that bullshiat, hopefully by saying something along the lines of "Under my opponent's plan, tens of millions of people who need food stamps and medicare to live will have their benefits unceremoniously snatched away. That is not a plan. That is the definition of class warfare."
 
2012-08-13 01:13:23 PM
I'm still not sure why they announced on the weekend. The announcement and press conference are what get people excited and they purposefully buried it under the Olympics. That will blunt any bump they might get.
 
2012-08-13 01:13:35 PM
Don't you people see? The man portraying Mitt Romney is actually Chilton Gaines, world famous conman, master of disguise, and international playboy. This is an elaborate scam to abscond with millions in campaign donations. That's why he keeps making errors. He's trying to lose!

He's already done it once before under the name "John Kerry."
 
2012-08-13 01:13:53 PM

lemurs: The expectation is a temporary Romney bump because although this raises his profile, there aren't a lot of undecideds and they don't care about the VP candidate very much.


Someone over there has to be sweating that they didn't even get a bump. It's a bad sign for what was already an uphill battle.
 
2012-08-13 01:14:30 PM

Serious Black: Mitt Romney finally decided he couldn't win the election by simply saying Obama blew up the economy, so he decided to try waging class warfare on the poor. In case he forgot, there are a lot more poor people that can vote than rich people.


Not if the voter suppression laws kick in.
 
2012-08-13 01:14:36 PM

adiabat: Talk about stretching the truth... These guys must be very afraid of the ticket.

From the small print:
USA TODAY/Gallup Polls of registered voters after the announcements of running mates since Dick Cheney in 2000 all showed more positive reactions. Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice. The Ryan poll includes all adults, not just registered voters.


Yes, Gallup is terrified. Because if the republicans win, Gallup will cease to exist. Oh wait, no they won't. Only in the minds of the very paranoid is Gallup pushing anybody,they make money being correct,not partisan.
 
2012-08-13 01:15:16 PM
I wonder what the true count is on the amount of people who told Romney "No way in Hell..." before Ryan said "Yes."
 
2012-08-13 01:15:40 PM

jbc: Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice.

When voters rate Mayor Moosebreath more favorably than you, it's time to get out of politics.


It's easy to forget, but at first Palin seemed like a pretty inspired choice. It's only when she made the mistake of opening her fool mouth that people realized what a disaster she was.
 
2012-08-13 01:15:48 PM

FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.


I don't know. It was two days where Romney and Ryan had the news cycle for themselves. There was no real counter story from the Obama campaign. The bounce Romney gets from picking Ryan isn't getting higher from here.
 
2012-08-13 01:16:25 PM

FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.


There will be a bounce, but will that bounce be up or down?
 
2012-08-13 01:17:11 PM

adiabat: Talk about stretching the truth... These guys must be very afraid of the ticket.

From the small print:
USA TODAY/Gallup Polls of registered voters after the announcements of running mates since Dick Cheney in 2000 all showed more positive reactions. Only Dan Quayle in a 1988 Harris Poll of likely voters was viewed less positively than Ryan, with 52% rating Quayle as a "fair" or "poor" vice presidential choice. The Ryan poll includes all adults, not just registered voters.


Probably afraid of a strong, successful conservative hunk.
 
2012-08-13 01:17:18 PM

Burning_Monk: Just heard from my conservative uncle who lives in the Midwest... "Can I vote 'Non-of-the-above'?"

That's right, you just lost a lifelong, die-hard fanboy, Republicans.

/giddy for november


Heh...and the less conservatives vote in November; the ramifications for the ticket below them are worse.
 
2012-08-13 01:17:40 PM
The only reason VP has become this talked about is McCain's epic blunder with Palin. Though Cheney running a secret torture regime may factor as well.

In the end though, nobody truly cares. Unless Romney's plan is to adopt the Ryan budget, this pick is just bleh.
 
2012-08-13 01:17:50 PM

Muta: FishyFred: Nobody cares yet. It's been two days and those days were Saturday and Sunday.

There will be a bounce later this week, another bounce after the convention, and then an epic evisceration following the Democratic convention.

I don't know. It was two days where Romney and Ryan had the news cycle for themselves. There was no real counter story from the Obama campaign. The bounce Romney gets from picking Ryan isn't getting higher from here.


Give it until Wednesday at least. If there's no movement, I would be shocked, especially because I expect it to be a crappy week for the stock market.
 
2012-08-13 01:18:08 PM
The polling with Fark Con shills is through the roof!
 
2012-08-13 01:18:43 PM
its gonna take a whole lot more game changing for this to mean anything according to 538.
 
2012-08-13 01:19:42 PM
This was a huge game change.

Romney has now applied his quantum politics to the Ryan plan. He's already said he's going to supplant the Ryan plan with his own approach, which means the Ryan budget is now in a state of quantum flux.

At the same time he's discharging questions about his taxes, which are similarly in a state of quantum flux. And let's not forget that Romney both supports Romneycare/Obamacare while simultaneously wanting to completely repeal it and replace it with nothing.

At some point I expect to see all three positions take on an excited state, after which there's no telling what will result.

We are talking about a whole new level of derpodynamics.
 
2012-08-13 01:19:58 PM

gilgigamesh: oldernell: Ryan is a right wing nut job who will appeal only to the people that wouldn't vote for the black guy anyways.

The fact that they are still trying to shore up the base less than three months from election day shows you how much trouble his campaign is in.


That was what I was thinking too. Announcing Ryan before the convention takes away one of the reasons to watch the convention... to find out who the VP pick is. Now the GOP convention is just of bunch of rich white guys complaining about Obama.
 
2012-08-13 01:20:03 PM

FlashHarry: they're right. before, romney was running a campaign that gave zero specifics and was a referendum on obama's first term. now it is a VERY specific campaign about whether or not medicare will exist or whether it will be replaced with a market-based voucher system that will cost seniors much more and provide them with much less coverage.

And despite the fact that that plan would kill off boomers more quickly, I still cant bring myself to vote for Mittens.
 
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