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(Slate)   52% of voters favor the Ryan budget... until they're told what's in it   (slate.com) divider line 21
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2012-08-13 10:07:26 AM
6 votes:
Area man passionate defender of what he believes Paul Ryan's budget plan to be.
2012-08-13 09:59:07 AM
6 votes:
And people hate Obamacare until they learn what's in it.

Funny, that.
2012-08-13 09:57:08 AM
5 votes:
Behold the power of branding. Republicans are still seen as the financially smart party even if the barest look at the facts show that they are not.
2012-08-13 10:58:32 AM
2 votes:

Tigger: and 52% of hot biatches favor my 12 inch cock


Until they're told what's in it?
2012-08-13 12:43:11 PM
1 votes:
Is this the same budget that had republicans shiatting their pants when they realized it might pass? The one where all the democrats voted present and the republicans had to change their vote en masse in order to keep mainstream America from realizing how utterly evil and depraved they are?
2012-08-13 12:24:32 PM
1 votes:
My Father-In-Law, bless his heart...He is by most accounts a very smart man, but he has completely gone off the deep end politically.

He's constantly talks about how we need to "cut spending for [my son's] future." OK fine, sounds like a great plan. Here's the problem he doesn't want to cut defense spending, social security, or medicare. He only wants to cut "welfare" and of course "Obamacare."

He also "considers himself libertarian."

I love my father in law, but I don't engage him on any of this. There's no point. I just stare blankly and say nothing until he's done talking and then change the subject.
2012-08-13 12:23:46 PM
1 votes:
52% of voters favor the Ryan budget... until they're told what's in it

Yeah, and then 95% of those people refuse to believe what's in it because they just know Paul Ryan is a bold financial genius, not the retarded douchebag his budget shows he is.
2012-08-13 12:10:02 PM
1 votes:

jst3p: . Even dumber are those in the losing brackets white knighting the ones pissing on us and telling us it is rain.


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2012-08-13 12:07:12 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: FTA -

"The plan gives those making over a million dollars a year an average tax cut of more than 150,000 dollars, while cutting programs that middle and working class families depend on,"

Straight to class warfare.
No alternative of their own offered.


I find it hilarious that class warfare has been around ever since I became aware of "politics" (Mid 80s) yet those winning the war want to condemn the middle and lower class for fighting back. Even dumber are those in the losing brackets white knighting the ones pissing on us and telling us it is rain.
2012-08-13 12:04:43 PM
1 votes:

cchris_39: FTA -

"The plan gives those making over a million dollars a year an average tax cut of more than 150,000 dollars, while cutting programs that middle and working class families depend on,"

Straight to class warfare.
No alternative of their own offered.


The President's Budget for Fiscal Year 2013
2012-08-13 12:03:32 PM
1 votes:
This guy is a turd in the punchbowl, but Romney couldn't even hold on to teabaggers and had to do something.

He should have just picked Ted Nugent. Every bit as cynical, and it would shore up more of the base.
2012-08-13 12:01:02 PM
1 votes:
Ryan voted for Medicare Part D, both Bush tax refunds and the Bush tax cuts. He's about as fiscally conservative as a meth-head in a plumbing supply store.
2012-08-13 11:57:38 AM
1 votes:
"Wait. It cuts what? No. I'm white. WHITE. There must be some mistake. Are you sure? For white people too? That can't be right. I don't believe it. I'm going to check with Fox, they'll tell me the truth. Liar."
2012-08-13 11:41:54 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: can see item #4 being a road to combining Medicare with Medicaid, if Ryan's budget hands Medicare over to the states. It would mean only ONE bureau dealing with health care instead of two. I can see that working, as long as it doesn't negatively impact the beneficiaries.

I also see tort reform in his plan. I'm okay with this


Ryan's plan for Medicare is to keep it the same for people who get in before 2022. Anyone who's eligible after 2022 would instead recieve a government voucher to purchase private insurance. The amount of the inflate in relation to the consumer price index, not the higher rate which the costs of healthcare rises at. So the voucher will start out purchasing the same amount of health care, but as time goes by, they'll be worse less and less.

As for tort reform, several states have enacted it and it hasn't dropped costs. IIRC, lawsuits account for something like 2% of the total amount of money spend on health care. And even if Congress and the President passed tort reform, it would only apply to malpractice cases that were filed in the federal court system instead of a state court, or in other words, almost never.
2012-08-13 11:09:05 AM
1 votes:
The only theory I can come up with that doesn't involve the GOP being totally out of their gourds is this:
The Rovian/Old guard wing of the party realized the Tea Party wing has destroyed whatever "big tent" was left. Having no candidate to run they let Romney get the nod, than throw Ryan out there. Ryan's budget and Ryan are well known in political circles and by the media but unknown by the masses. The elections run forces all this out into the open and the Republicans, due to both Romney and Ryan get slaughtered in the election. The Old guard than uses it as a call to arms to shift the parties direction and priorities in an attempt to have something they can stand on in 2016 well also putting down the Ryans of the party.
2012-08-13 10:49:49 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Does anyone have a trustworthy link to *exactly* what's in Ryan's budget plan? I don't want it boiled down by some CNN analyst or Faux News pundit, either.

/and I'm not in the mood to scour house.gov's database


It boils down to this: Cap medicare and food stamp spending (as opposed to the open-ended system we have now), end capital gains and dividend taxes, and close a bunch of loopholes to make up the revenue.

The obvious problems: Tens of millions of people will lose their health and food benefits, rich people will pay far less in taxes while poor people will pay more, and you have to pick some loopholes to close, which -- surprise, surprise -- Ryan and Romney refuse to specify.
2012-08-13 10:46:46 AM
1 votes:

GAT_00: SilentStrider: Aarontology: I do not envy anyone living in Florida.

The next few months are going to be nothing but Ryan's budget will kill your medicare and social security ads.

Pennsylvania will probably get the same treatment.

Pennsylvania is no longer a swing state really. It's pretty safe Dem.

Virginia has replaced it.


Well, it would be if people are allowed to vote.
2012-08-13 10:46:30 AM
1 votes:

xanadian: Does anyone have a trustworthy link to *exactly* what's in Ryan's budget plan? I don't want it boiled down by some CNN analyst or Faux News pundit, either.

/and I'm not in the mood to scour house.gov's database


Is Wikipedia trustworthy enough? If not I'm sure you can dig out the actual plan from the links there.
2012-08-13 10:43:37 AM
1 votes:
Does anyone have a trustworthy link to *exactly* what's in Ryan's budget plan? I don't want it boiled down by some CNN analyst or Faux News pundit, either.

/and I'm not in the mood to scour house.gov's database
2012-08-13 10:05:13 AM
1 votes:
And on the other side of the coin, most Americans favor all the individual parts of the PPACA, but when you slap the scary name of Obamacare on it, they want it repealed.
2012-08-13 10:00:34 AM
1 votes:
I do not envy anyone living in Florida.

The next few months are going to be nothing but Ryan's budget will kill your medicare and social security ads.
 
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