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(BBC)   Google to push sites with repeated copyright violations down search list. Presumably this means the end of Youtube   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 118
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2012-08-13 08:47:54 AM
And here's where the antitrust suit begins.
 
2012-08-13 09:01:44 AM
I can't wait for them to start doing this with news stories or social media...hey! they could also zap stories on political corruption or even political parties that they didn't like!

I mean once you open that door then all sorts of possibilities open up.
 
2012-08-13 11:01:31 AM
 
2012-08-13 11:02:05 AM
I'm almost positive this was a deal between Google and the RIAA/MPAA to stave off further lawsuits because of Youtube.
 
2012-08-13 11:03:52 AM
creoleindc.typepad.com
Google
 
2012-08-13 11:04:07 AM
Google is shooting themselves in the foot here. The sole reason everyone uses Google is because they know they can find anything with it. Once that ceases being true, then real competition is possible.
 
2012-08-13 11:05:39 AM
So Google's number one priority has changed from delivering what visitors want, to not delivering what big media companies don't want visitors to see.

That should end well.
 
2012-08-13 11:05:46 AM

logistic: I'm almost positive this was a deal between Google and the RIAA/MPAA to stave off further lawsuits because of Youtube.


I get the nagging feeling all they mean is some kind of more automated system for matching songs they've gotten takedown notices for to other videos that use that sound on Youtube, in order to avoid lawsuits as you said.
 
2012-08-13 11:06:06 AM
I guess that's the end of Fark.

/thanks for all the laughs, Drew
 
2012-08-13 11:07:02 AM

Big Man On Campus: Google is shooting themselves in the foot here. The sole reason everyone uses Google is because they know they can find anything with it. Once that ceases being true, then real competition is possible.


Yep.

And there will always be more search engines out there chomping at the bit wanting to have a slice of what Google has and will be willing to do anything to get to it.
 
2012-08-13 11:07:44 AM
Don't care.

I stopped using google over a year ago.
 
2012-08-13 11:09:05 AM
People use Google to find their warez?? Really?
 
Skr
2012-08-13 11:10:02 AM
Damn, is there any real investigation behind the copyright claims either? Can't some illegitimate dickhole claim infringement without it actually being true? Seems like one of those slippery slope things. Begun the griefing has.
 
2012-08-13 11:11:09 AM
I want to know if they're only going to be counting "confirmed" incidents or any DMCA claim, given that a DMCA takedown notice is nothing more than an accusation.
 
2012-08-13 11:11:12 AM
FTA: "Consumers overwhelmingly want and expect the top search results for entertainment content to feature legal, licensed services."

Oh, you're serious, let me laugh harder.
 
2012-08-13 11:12:05 AM

Skr: Damn, is there any real investigation behind the copyright claims either? Can't some illegitimate dickhole claim infringement without it actually being true? Seems like one of those slippery slope things. Begun the griefing has.


IIRC, according to the verbiage of a DMCA takedown, filing a false one is supposed to be perjury. I have never heard of this being enforced.
 
2012-08-13 11:12:58 AM
What if Google really does push YouTube down in search results from their main page, while still running their full search algorithm when you search directly from YouTube? Everyone knows you go to YouTube for videos, so it's wouldn't be too much harder just to go straight there to search for what you want. Then, Google could claim what they're doing is anti-anti-trust, because hey look, they're de-prioritizing their own properties in search results. Is the MAFIAA smart enough to figure this out?

I'm just asking questions here.
 
2012-08-13 11:14:06 AM
www.yandex.com

the shark, google has jumped it, ill keep gmail though
 
2012-08-13 11:14:20 AM

RDixon: Don't care. I stopped using google over a year ago.


stonicus: People use Google to find their warez?? Really?


And now we have search hipsters. Fantastic.
 
2012-08-13 11:15:59 AM
Thank God I already downloaded the Octamom porno.
 
2012-08-13 11:16:35 AM
or is it Octomom? Then again who cares.
 
2012-08-13 11:16:46 AM
How do you type with fingerclaws like that without accidentally hitting the wrong key?

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2012-08-13 11:18:42 AM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: How do you type with fingerclaws like that without accidentally hitting the wrong key?

[news.bbcimg.co.uk image 464x261]


She must be good at oral commands.
 
2012-08-13 11:19:26 AM

ThunderChild: Funnily enough, it does not


That article is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.
 
2012-08-13 11:19:27 AM
Great, google. don't be evil. and be sure to kiss corporate ass every chance you get.
 
Skr
2012-08-13 11:19:35 AM

China White Tea: Skr: Damn, is there any real investigation behind the copyright claims either? Can't some illegitimate dickhole claim infringement without it actually being true? Seems like one of those slippery slope things. Begun the griefing has.

IIRC, according to the verbiage of a DMCA takedown, filing a false one is supposed to be perjury. I have never heard of this being enforced.


I imagine a good portion of the DMCA are filed outside of enforceable jurisdictions for perjury. If this google thing goes live, I'd expect even more outsourcing as a companion "Google Bombing".
 
2012-08-13 11:19:41 AM
Farkers might want to be aware that YouTube is owned by Google. Nevertheless, tallyho!
 
2012-08-13 11:19:41 AM

Mr Guy: logistic: I'm almost positive this was a deal between Google and the RIAA/MPAA to stave off further lawsuits because of Youtube.

I get the nagging feeling all they mean is some kind of more automated system for matching songs they've gotten takedown notices for to other videos that use that sound on Youtube, in order to avoid lawsuits as you said.


Ever notice when someone posts a Youtube link to someones Facebook page linking to a copyrighted song loaded "unofficially", the link is dead in a matter of an hour. Not sure how, but it seems like a copyright crawler exists checking links between FB and Youtube.
 
2012-08-13 11:21:33 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Consumers overwhelmingly want and expect the top search results for entertainment content to feature legal, licensed services."

Oh, you're serious, let me laugh harder.


I prefer illegal, if only to avoid having to watch:

1) Special FBI piracy notice, followed by,
2) Standard FBI piracy notice,
3) Standard FBI piracy notice in Franch,
4) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers,
5) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers, in French,
6) The goddamn "commentaries do not necessarily reflect . . . " notice,
7) That goddamn notice in French
8) The logos of every production company involved in the making and distribution of this film/tv show

/big incentive to go legal
 
2012-08-13 11:22:53 AM
How long until the government shows up at your house because you were searching for a torrent?
 
2012-08-13 11:25:36 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: RDixon: Don't care. I stopped using google over a year ago.

stonicus: People use Google to find their warez?? Really?

And now we have search hipsters. Fantastic.


This, also, doesn't Google own YouTube?
 
2012-08-13 11:26:00 AM
As a confessed and (mostly) unapologetic occasional pirate, I'm actually okay with this.

Why?

Because illegitimate torrent links really are less relevant than, say, a television show's actual web site. I have actually been quite irritated in the past when I would go out and google the title of a documentary or something wanting to see what it's about, who made it, etc. and have been literally unable to ever find the show's site or that of it's producer because all that shows up is dozens of pages of torrent links. If I wanted a link to a pirate torrent I'd go to a friggin' pirate torrent site! Give me the primary source first, dammit!

I mean it. I have come across titles or brief descriptions of documentaries and TV shows that sound really interesting, gone out and searched for them so that I could find out more about them and see if they're something I'd go out of my way to watch, and had to dig through so many dozens of pages of torrent link search results that I was forced to just give up and forget about the documentary or TV show; dozens if not hundreds of pages before Google links to the actual site of the show. I can only imagine how frustrating that is for content producers.

Bottom line: should google still index and serve up results for pirate sites? Yes. Should pirate links show up at the top of the search results - often crowding out all legitimate links - for many content searches? Hell no. And that's what they're trying to fix. Fine with me other than the nominal. "slippery slope" argument.
 
2012-08-13 11:26:19 AM

WelldeadLink: Farkers might want to be aware that YouTube is owned by Google. Nevertheless, tallyho!


Yeah, that's what I thought.
 
2012-08-13 11:26:21 AM

RembrandtQEinstein: www.yandex.com

the shark, google has jumped it, ill keep gmail though


If your concern is transparency and privacy I"m not sure using a Russian search engine is your best bet. I've been happy enough with duckduckgo
 
2012-08-13 11:26:33 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: RDixon: Don't care. I stopped using google over a year ago.

stonicus: People use Google to find their warez?? Really?

And now we have search hipsters. Fantastic.


You've never heard of my search engine before, it's lovingly and painstakingly run by Trappist monks and has a negative carbon footprint.
 
2012-08-13 11:26:47 AM
I would respect Google far more if they had kept YouTube in the running - maybe it would encourage them to more proactive with their own copyright issues. Actually, it would probably be remarkably easy to detect copyright violations on youtube - they just need to search the phrases "I do not own the copyright to this" or "all rights go to the original artist" .
 
2012-08-13 11:26:59 AM
Come on Google. Your only job is to rank based on relevancy.
 
2012-08-13 11:28:27 AM

beta_plus: I guess that's the end of Fark.

/thanks for all the laughs, Drew


Fark doesn't violate copyright...
 
2012-08-13 11:28:30 AM

ackb4r: Come on Google. Your only job is to rank based on relevancy.


I agree. They should pass legislation saying if you manipulate results to remove content you're responsible for results.
 
2012-08-13 11:28:43 AM

WelldeadLink: Farkers might want to be aware that YouTube is owned by Google. Nevertheless, tallyho!


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2012-08-13 11:29:40 AM

Kibbler: So Google's number one priority has changed from delivering what visitors want, to not delivering what big media companies don't want visitors to see.

That should end well.


Back in the days when the World Wide Web wasn't crawling with copyright lawyers and cops, Yahoo was considered to be the best search engine and an honest information broker. They fell from grace and lost massive market share because they were discovered to be manipulating search results for cash. That's was when Google stepped in as the next honest information broker.

This decision essentially ends that role.

I await the next honest broker.
 
2012-08-13 11:29:58 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Consumers overwhelmingly want and expect the top search results for entertainment content to feature legal, licensed services."

Oh, you're serious, let me laugh harder.


The vast and overwhelming majority of the time, that's the case for me. I don't want to do a search and get some spam/porn/trojan filled Russian knock-off site.

Except when those hacked Scarlett Johanson pictures came out.
 
2012-08-13 11:31:41 AM

AliceBToklasLives: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Consumers overwhelmingly want and expect the top search results for entertainment content to feature legal, licensed services."

Oh, you're serious, let me laugh harder.

I prefer illegal, if only to avoid having to watch:

1) Special FBI piracy notice, followed by,
2) Standard FBI piracy notice,
3) Standard FBI piracy notice in Franch,
4) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers,
5) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers, in French,
6) The goddamn "commentaries do not necessarily reflect . . . " notice,
7) That goddamn notice in French
8) The logos of every production company involved in the making and distribution of this film/tv show

/big incentive to go legal


Oddly, I've found that you never see those on Hulu or Netflix but you frequently get them from torrents that my friend downloads.
 
2012-08-13 11:32:28 AM

RDixon: Don't care.
I stopped using google over a year ago.


You cared enough to post.

Not caring fail.
 
2012-08-13 11:33:41 AM

meanmutton: Oddly, I've found that you never see those on Hulu or Netflix but you frequently get them from torrents that my friend downloads.


Your friend is doing it wrong.
 
2012-08-13 11:34:00 AM

Prospero424: I mean it. I have come across titles or brief descriptions of documentaries and TV shows that sound really interesting, gone out and searched for them so that I could find out more about them and see if they're something I'd go out of my way to watch, and had to dig through so many dozens of pages of torrent link search results that I was forced to just give up and forget about the documentary or TV show; dozens if not hundreds of pages before Google links to the actual site of the show. I can only imagine how frustrating that is for content producers.


That's what the SUBTRACT operator (-) is for

your show here -torrent

$SEARCH_TERM -$THINGS_YOU_DON'T_WANT

Learn how to google-fu.

If you are unsure about how to google-fu, Google gives a derp-proof "advanced search" page
 
2012-08-13 11:35:46 AM

Carth: RembrandtQEinstein: www.yandex.com

the shark, google has jumped it, ill keep gmail though

If your concern is transparency and privacy I"m not sure using a Russian search engine is your best bet. I've been happy enough with duckduckgo


Its less about privacy than compartmentalization. As a russian company Yandex has less motivation to build a profile of me than google does. And unlike google they don't have my real name.

Duckduckgo has crappy search results, unless something has changed since last year.
 
2012-08-13 11:38:11 AM

bubo_sibiricus: That's what the SUBTRACT operator (-) is for

your show here -torrent


Besides the point. If the default behavior is defensible, you should have no problem defending it as opposed to changing the subject. So go ahead. If you're so opposed to google making this change, then explain why!
 
2012-08-13 11:40:15 AM
User generated content sites like Youtube won't be affected.
 
2012-08-13 11:40:17 AM

meanmutton: AliceBToklasLives: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: FTA: "Consumers overwhelmingly want and expect the top search results for entertainment content to feature legal, licensed services."

Oh, you're serious, let me laugh harder.

I prefer illegal, if only to avoid having to watch:

1) Special FBI piracy notice, followed by,
2) Standard FBI piracy notice,
3) Standard FBI piracy notice in Franch,
4) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers,
5) Piracy notice written by the media firm's lawyers, in French,
6) The goddamn "commentaries do not necessarily reflect . . . " notice,
7) That goddamn notice in French
8) The logos of every production company involved in the making and distribution of this film/tv show

/big incentive to go legal

Oddly, I've found that you never see those on Hulu or Netflix but you frequently get them from torrents that my friend downloads.


I actually bought Game of Thrones on BlueRay. You cannot skip these stupid things. FFS, I paid you money. Why the hell do I have to sit through this shiat?

/gonna go pirate GoT now
 
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