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(Mother Nature Network)   If you want your child to be a problem-solver, put him in preschool. If you want your child to be terrified of all adults who aren't Mommy or Daddy, keep him in your home until kindergarten   (mnn.com) divider line 164
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2012-08-13 02:12:04 AM
BS. I never had preschool and I was never terrified of adults and I'm a natural troubleshooter.
 
2012-08-13 02:38:34 AM
No preschool in my area, unless you had the money to send your child to a private one. No kindergarten in Springfield's public schools until my son was in the 4th grade.

He's a problem solver/troubleshooter, much like me and he was never terrified of non-parental adults. If anything when he was preschool/kindergarten age, he was too friendly and wanted to hug people he barely knew. He had plenty of socialization too since there were plenty of neighborhood kids to play with, but no "play dates". IMHO, those are freaking ridiculous.

In other words, BS article for the most part.

And for me, as best I can remember, neither preschool nor kindergarten were available when I was a toddler or of kindergarten age. I wasn't terrified of non-parental adults either and have had strong troubleshooting skills since I was a child. As with my son, I played with the neighborhood children, plus I had a younger sister, plus two older step-sisters to play with.
 
2012-08-13 03:18:09 AM

Bathia_Mapes: No kindergarten in Springfield's public schools until my son was in the 4th grade.


Boy, I bet he looked pretty out of place in that Kindergarten.
 
2012-08-13 03:21:19 AM

Relatively Obscure: Bathia_Mapes: No kindergarten in Springfield's public schools until my son was in the 4th grade.

Boy, I bet he looked pretty out of place in that Kindergarten.


LOL
 
2012-08-13 03:24:38 AM

Relatively Obscure: Bathia_Mapes: No kindergarten in Springfield's public schools until my son was in the 4th grade.

Boy, I bet he looked pretty out of place in that Kindergarten.


Heh! :-D
 
2012-08-13 07:00:47 AM
I didn't go to preschool, or to kindergarten, my first day of school was 1st grade.
And I turned out just fine ...NARF!
 
2012-08-13 07:03:56 AM
Queue anecdotal evidence to the contrary ...

Look guys, if you were fortunate enough to have had those weird parents that didn't immediately dump you somewhere under minimum wage "supervision" the second they could legally do so, then just count your blessings.

Articles like this are written by the less fortunate in an attempt to make themselves feel better and justify their parent's unwillingness or inability to care for them. You see, their neglect was actually good for them ... see?
 
2012-08-13 07:04:13 AM
Here cometh the anecdotal "evidence".

(Not that TFA offered any either.)


.
 
2012-08-13 07:05:05 AM
redundantman made my comment redundant. Heh.
 
2012-08-13 07:05:50 AM

Zmog: redundantman made my comment redundant. Heh.


Not redundant, man?
 
2012-08-13 07:10:14 AM
So what you're saying is, I shouldn't be hanging out down by the river, but parking the van outside of headstart?
 
2012-08-13 07:11:38 AM
Or homeschool them for the worst of both worlds.
 
2012-08-13 07:14:14 AM

telaran: Zmog: redundantman made my comment redundant. Heh.

Not redundant, man?


I hang my head in shame over opportunity lost.
 
2012-08-13 07:15:38 AM
According to seasoned New Jersey nursery school director Michele Glazer someone who makes a living off of parents who send their kids to preschool, one of the main benefits of preschool is socialization and the ability to problem solve.

Wow, the author went to terrific lengths to find an unbiased opinion on that topic. The search must have been exhausting.
 
2012-08-13 07:18:30 AM
You're a bad parent if you DON'T put your kid in day care.

We're through the looking glass.
 
2012-08-13 07:21:13 AM

FTA:

According to seasoned New Jersey nursery school director Michele Glazer, one of the main benefits of preschool is socialization and the ability to problem solve. "When kids are in a group situation, they're constantly problem-solving," Glazer explains. "If they're by themselves, they don't necessarily have the opportunity to learn firsthand about what it means to share, take turns and work together with others."


A totally unbiased source, I'm sure.
 
2012-08-13 07:21:23 AM
For anyone who read that article and went "meh...", sending your kid to preschool is probably 6 of 1, half dozen of the other.

If you are rabidly frothing at the mouth about one viewpoint or the other you should probably be doing the opposite.
 
2012-08-13 07:21:57 AM
Ok, so THIS week the story is going to be that keeping your kid at home is akin to breast-feeding him until his college orientation and a rock-solid guarantee that he will end up with a chest freezer full of prostitute torsos?

Meaning, of course, NEXT week the story is going to be that leaving your child out of your sight for a yottasecond ensures the next time you see him he's going to be positively bristling with crack pipe burns and hobo penii.
 
2012-08-13 07:22:20 AM
I like how she subtly adds that you are missing out on your child's life if you do send them. Blah. My child goes once a week for 2 hours...oh, the horror and abandonment. She's been begging to go for the past 3 weeks now, but it hasn't started back yet. She also learns at home, plays with friends and plays with her younger sibling. It's not preschool OR doing that stuff. And the cost of her preschool is very reasonable and affordable. People can stop judging others over their decisions already.
 
2012-08-13 07:23:52 AM
Jeffrey Dahmer never went to preschool, and yadda yadda yadda now he's dead.
 
2012-08-13 07:24:27 AM
People who choose to send their kids, or not send their kids to pre-school both have my respect.

Those that refuse to out of principle, or insist that not doing so is child abuse... eat a big corn dog.
 
2012-08-13 07:27:40 AM
I went to Nursery. I also grew up to be someone who likes to think of themselves as a "problem creator".
 
2012-08-13 07:27:50 AM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ok, so THIS week the story is going to be that keeping your kid at home is akin to breast-feeding him until his college orientation and a rock-solid guarantee that he will end up with a chest freezer full of prostitute torsos?

Meaning, of course, NEXT week the story is going to be that leaving your child out of your sight for a yottasecond ensures the next time you see him he's going to be positively bristling with crack pipe burns and hobo penii.


Slow down, my copy editor can't type that fast.



/he wants to know if it's penii or penises, the style book doesn't specify.
 
2012-08-13 07:30:07 AM

Here's an article on the statistical evidence for the effects of daycare on childhood emotional development.

Poor Behavior Is Linked to Time in Day Care

By Benedict Carey, Mar. 26, 2007 -- (New York Times) A much-anticipated report from the largest and longest-running study of American child care has found that keeping a preschooler in a day care center for a year or more increased the likelihood that the child would become disruptive in class - and that the effect persisted through the sixth grade.
 
2012-08-13 07:31:22 AM
Cybernetic: Wow, the author went to terrific lengths to find an unbiased opinion on that topic. The search must have been exhausting.

jules_siegel: A totally unbiased source, I'm sure.

It's Mother Nature Network. It's like expecting Fox News to run an unbiased piece on the Democratic Party, or Mother Jones to post something honest about, well....anything.
 
2012-08-13 07:32:45 AM
By the way, many people seem to be mixing up preschool and daycare. They aren't the same thing.
 
2012-08-13 07:33:00 AM

Katolu: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Ok, so THIS week the story is going to be that keeping your kid at home is akin to breast-feeding him until his college orientation and a rock-solid guarantee that he will end up with a chest freezer full of prostitute torsos?

Meaning, of course, NEXT week the story is going to be that leaving your child out of your sight for a yottasecond ensures the next time you see him he's going to be positively bristling with crack pipe burns and hobo penii.

Slow down, my copy editor can't type that fast.



/he wants to know if it's penii or penises, the style book doesn't specify.


Penes (the Latin form) or Penises (English)
Link
 
2012-08-13 07:33:46 AM
Just what American mothers need, another opportunity to separate themselves from their children. Can't have a child crying for your attention while your trying to concentrate on the television. If these stay-at-home women were actual mothers, we wouldn't need trained professionals to raise our children. I guarantee the same women who send their children to pre-school also plopped them down in front of the television for 85% of their waking lives. Kids thrive on interaction and attention. Without it, we end up wondering why our kids are "sick" with autism and attention deficient disorder. Maybe if there were a lot more parents actually parenting, we wouldn't require these institutions to socialize our children.
 
2012-08-13 07:35:14 AM
What the article says does not match the Fark headline.....a ruler to the fingers to the moron that wrote the headline.
 
2012-08-13 07:37:11 AM
for those of us who remember a time before the insanity that is modern early childhood education, it was a different scenario. As children, we were not bombarded with 'warnings' about every person who happened to get lost and drove down our street. We did not have helicopter parents (that I recall), constantly looking for something and/or someone to accuse and attack. We were not brainwashed by political candidates looking to create distraction and keep things confused by making us spy on each other. Mainly, we were allowed to be kids and not representations of the neurotic lack of achievement that modern parents seem to feel whenever they see another child who looks more like a clone of the parent than a healthy happy child. Our parents did not micro manage our day so that we were never able to learn the things mentioned in this article without being shoved into state or privately run daycare masquerading as something educational.

The complete lack of real parenting I see around me every day is just crazy. They shovel them from one 'planned activity' to another and these kids never get to be kids. Frightening and sad.

redundantman - Articles like this are written by the less fortunate in an attempt to make themselves feel better and justify their parent's unwillingness or inability to care for them. You see, their neglect was actually good for them ... see?

I would have to say it has been my experience that "... those weird parents that didn't immediately dump you somewhere under minimum wage 'supervision' the second they could legally do so..." were not the less fortunate, as they cannot afford these luxuries. It has been my experience that it is those middle and upper crust parents are the ones that dump off their kids as soon as they can. After all, kids are fine until they actually need something. Then, they are just property that requires a bit of maintaining... and anyone can handle that... right?
 
2012-08-13 07:39:32 AM
spentmiles: Without it, we end up wondering why our kids are "sick" with autism and attention deficient disorder.

Except that "Autism" can be identified before six months of life with a legitimate pathophysiological basis, and ADD/ADHD involve dysfunction of the RAS. sleep-wake and attention centers of the brain, and have little to do with the lack of negative reinforcement.

But yeah. Other than that, you might have a point.

/hint: They disproved the "Frigid Mom" theory of autism decades ago.
 
2012-08-13 07:40:16 AM
bborchar - By the way, many people seem to be mixing up preschool and daycare. They aren't the same thing.

Oh but that is the problem. Nowadays they are. Despite the flashy coverings, a box is a box, regardless of what you do with it.
 
2012-08-13 07:41:21 AM

spentmiles: Just what American mothers need, another opportunity to separate themselves from their children. Can't have a child crying for your attention while your trying to concentrate on the television. If these stay-at-home women were actual mothers, we wouldn't need trained professionals to raise our children. I guarantee the same women who send their children to pre-school also plopped them down in front of the television for 85% of their waking lives. Kids thrive on interaction and attention. Without it, we end up wondering why our kids are "sick" with autism and attention deficient disorder. Maybe if there were a lot more parents actually parenting, we wouldn't require these institutions to socialize our children.


Two days in preschool/daycare and three days with grandparents, problem solved. Grandparents get lots of exercise trying to keep up with two year old.
 
2012-08-13 07:43:59 AM
our school was confusing.
i skipped kindergarten, but went to K-4 and "Pre-First" instead.
 
2012-08-13 07:47:02 AM
My kids haven't spent one second in day care, but I do think they've benefitted from pre-school. All I want out of it is for them to learn to stand in line, raise their hand, and learn that sometimes you're paired up with jerk kids that you don't like, but deal with it anyway.

ABCs and 123's are up to us.
 
2012-08-13 07:52:42 AM
Ah, MNN. I now have all the fail that I can take in one day. My morning can only become more successful from here.
 
2012-08-13 07:54:24 AM
Weak headline...Wasted click.
 
2012-08-13 07:56:22 AM
Kindergarten IS preschool, for christ's sake.
 
2012-08-13 07:58:21 AM

Basily Gourt: Kindergarten IS preschool, for christ's sake.


no it's not.

preschool is where white-collared kids go
kindergarten is for blue-collared

it all depends on if you want your kid to grow up frickin rich
 
2012-08-13 07:59:39 AM
"...make sure to plan regular play dates for your kids..."

And there is the problem right there.

When I was a kid, we played with the kids next door, and the kids down the block, and other random kids in the neighborhood. We didn't have "play dates" scheduled by our parents; we just went out and played.

And by the statistics, it was a lot more dangerous to do that than it is today.
 
2012-08-13 08:00:07 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: Basily Gourt: Kindergarten IS preschool, for christ's sake.

no it's not.

preschool is where white-collared kids go
kindergarten is for blue-collared

it all depends on if you want your kid to grow up frickin rich


The sad part is there are people who actually believe that.
 
2012-08-13 08:06:53 AM

bborchar: I like how she subtly adds that you are missing out on your child's life if you do send them. Blah. My child goes once a week for 2 hours...oh, the horror and abandonment. She's been begging to go for the past 3 weeks now, but it hasn't started back yet. She also learns at home, plays with friends and plays with her younger sibling. It's not preschool OR doing that stuff. And the cost of her preschool is very reasonable and affordable. People can stop judging others over their decisions already.


I think the 2 to 3 hours, 2 or 3 days a week is a good trade off. The child gets some time to interact in a group setting, gets exposure to teachers as authority figures and mom gets a few hours a week of peace.
 
2012-08-13 08:08:51 AM

Gramma: bborchar: I like how she subtly adds that you are missing out on your child's life if you do send them. Blah. My child goes once a week for 2 hours...oh, the horror and abandonment. She's been begging to go for the past 3 weeks now, but it hasn't started back yet. She also learns at home, plays with friends and plays with her younger sibling. It's not preschool OR doing that stuff. And the cost of her preschool is very reasonable and affordable. People can stop judging others over their decisions already.

I think the 2 to 3 hours, 2 or 3 days a week is a good trade off. The child gets some time to interact in a group setting, gets exposure to teachers as authority figures and mom gets a few hours a week of peace.


yes but what if the kid gets arrested?
or shoots up dope

or *shudders* gets MOLESTED??
 
2012-08-13 08:10:41 AM

Worldwalker: "...make sure to plan regular play dates for your kids..."

And there is the problem right there.

When I was a kid, we played with the kids next door, and the kids down the block, and other random kids in the neighborhood. We didn't have "play dates" scheduled by our parents; we just went out and played.

And by the statistics, it was a lot more dangerous to do that than it is today.


Have you spent anytime in a suburban neighborhood during the day lately? There are no kids around. They're all in daycare. If you don't go to the park or arrange playdates, you don't even see other children.
 
2012-08-13 08:12:08 AM

MadSkillz: BS. I never had preschool and I was never terrified of adults and I'm a natural troubleshooter.


The article reads like an indoctrination into making sure you get along with others instead of developing an identity of your own.
 
2012-08-13 08:15:12 AM

steamingpile: MadSkillz: BS. I never had preschool and I was never terrified of adults and I'm a natural troubleshooter.

The article reads like an indoctrination into making sure you get along with others instead of developing an identity of your own.


i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-13 08:21:16 AM
As a first time dad in a few months, I look forward to hearing all stories of other farkers on raising their kids and why or why not they placed them in daycare/pre-school.

yes i am not expecting good, valid advice :)
 
2012-08-13 08:22:37 AM
Dear Public School Teacher's Union,

Should I send my kid to public school or not?

Sincerely,

cabbyman
 
2012-08-13 08:22:39 AM
As someone who has spent nearly every waking moment with her son for 2 years, getting a kick, etc.

It depends on the situation. My son is an only child just like I wIas. We're a military family many miles from any of the rest of our family or friends. My attempts at joining mommy/baby groups have been disappointing and hoping someone shows up at the playground isn't reliable.

I started putting my son in the stay and play at the Y So he could learn to play with other kids and he loves being around the other kids and having a playmate other than mommy. Up to this point I was very against daycare, and our finances have significantly suffered because of it. Now I'm thinking of going back part-time considering how much happier he is with other kids, which was the same conclusion my mom came to when I was the same age.

Access to other kids is important, particularly for naturally social kids.
 
2012-08-13 08:34:04 AM

Basily Gourt: Kindergarten IS preschool, for christ's sake.


Not any more, at least around here kids are expected to know their ABC's before kindergarten and they start doing math part way through the year.

I sent my sons to preschool not because I was unable to teach them their ABC's, but because they both needed speech therapy and pre-k kids are a LOT less judgemental than older kids about that sort of thing.
 
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