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(Orlando Sentinel)   Why Florida State should not have dismissed its leading cornerback for marijuana, explained by their head coach. "What if somebody told everybody in this room that you can't drink a beer again or you're going to get fired?"   (articles.orlandosentinel.com) divider line 65
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2012-08-13 01:12:17 AM
Umm....beer is legal.

I realize that marijuana isn't nearly as scandalous as it used to be and the public doesn't care if people smoke it (by and large) anymore. But it is still illegal.
 
2012-08-13 01:20:16 AM

Ambivalence: Umm....beer is legal.

I realize that marijuana isn't nearly as scandalous as it used to be and the public doesn't care if people smoke it (by and large) anymore. But it is still illegal.


In some places.
 
2012-08-13 02:53:38 AM
Needs the "Hero" tag.
 
2012-08-13 04:35:24 AM
If everyone in that room was a student under the age of 21, there would be some justification for the threat.
 
2012-08-13 08:02:53 AM
Why football players should be above the rules.
 
2012-08-13 08:13:21 AM
Someone thinks that people involved in college football should be above the law? This is unprecedented!
 
2012-08-13 08:37:08 AM
I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult
 
2012-08-13 09:26:40 AM

Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult


What are you talking about? I'm in my 40s and have smoked since I was like 15. You can buy fake pee at the store you know.
 
2012-08-13 09:28:19 AM

Confabulat: You can buy fake pee at the store you know.


Oh wait, your name suggests you live in Alabama. You probably can't, or a dildo either.
 
2012-08-13 09:37:09 AM

Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult


Doesn't that assume that decriminalization would make employers okay with you testing positive for it on a drug test? I would think that, even if it were decriminalized (a move I wholeheartedly support), employers could still be allowed to refuse to hire you or fire you if you tested positive for cannabis. Almost every place would fire you if you showed up to work drunk, and I know of quite a few companies that will fire you for smoking cigarettes (citing health care costs, for instance). I can't see decriminalized or legalized cannabis being much different, unless you had a doctor's note or something.
 
2012-08-13 10:12:19 AM

Kome: Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult

Doesn't that assume that decriminalization would make employers okay with you testing positive for it on a drug test? I would think that, even if it were decriminalized (a move I wholeheartedly support), employers could still be allowed to refuse to hire you or fire you if you tested positive for cannabis. Almost every place would fire you if you showed up to work drunk, and I know of quite a few companies that will fire you for smoking cigarettes (citing health care costs, for instance). I can't see decriminalized or legalized cannabis being much different, unless you had a doctor's note or something.


I'm sure being stoned on the job would get you fired as fast as being drunk would.
I haven't interacted with companies that will fire you for smoking, but my current health insurance (through my employer) charges more for smokers.
 
2012-08-13 10:14:23 AM

Mugato: Someone thinks that people involved in college football should be above the law? This is unprecedented!


What'd you expect from the Criminoles?

/hey NCAA: take away some of Bowden's wins too!
 
2012-08-13 10:24:11 AM
If I would be fired for drinking beer, given that I enjoy my job...I would stop drinking beer.

Is that the wrong answer? Sorry for not being an alcoholic.
 
2012-08-13 11:03:49 AM

bluorangefyre: Mugato: Someone thinks that people involved in college football should be above the law? This is unprecedented!

What'd you expect from the Criminoles?

/hey NCAA: take away some of Bowden's wins too!


You'll notice the school administration didn't try to cover it up.
 
2012-08-13 11:03:52 AM
I'd have much more respect for him if he just said "He's a football player, football brings in big money, that makes him better than you in my eyes"

Stop sugar coating it and just call it what it is.
 
2012-08-13 11:06:43 AM

bluorangefyre: Mugato: Someone thinks that people involved in college football should be above the law? This is unprecedented!

What'd you expect from the Criminoles?

/hey NCAA: take away some of Bowden's wins too!


Good. Good. Let the butthurt flow through you.
 
2012-08-13 11:06:51 AM
My uncle is an assistant coach on a team that shall remain unnamed. Last season when they brought in RBs to evaluate before the draft, they drug tested them. Not one passed.
 
2012-08-13 11:11:50 AM

wyltoknow: Why football players should be above the rules.


i45.tinypic.com
 
2012-08-13 11:13:18 AM
I don't understand why they test athletes for pot. Like its performance enhancing...Its not hurting anyone.
I guess there are drug testing companies that need the business.
 
2012-08-13 11:17:04 AM

Kome: you tested positive for cannabis.


That's the problem, and why we can't currently legalize weed. As bad as blood alcohol testing is, there's at least some vague correlation between the results and the difference between drinking now, and had a drink yesterday. We currently don't have a good quick relatively inexpensive test for the difference between smoked weed before you pulled me over, and smoked weed last Sunday. That's what the pro legalization people need to address if they really want weed to break the barriers nationwide. You need a guy in a white coat explaining MADD can still execute people for driving under the influence, even if the definition for under the influence has no basis in science or reality.
 
2012-08-13 11:24:43 AM

Great Odins Raven: I don't understand why they test athletes for pot. Like its performance enhancing...Its not hurting anyone.
I guess there are drug testing companies that need the business.


Ok, uh, drugs are bad.

/bad
//very bad
 
2012-08-13 11:25:16 AM
Marijuana is awesome! There really is nothing more coevolutionarily successful with humans than something that makes you consume carbohydrates and rest. Refraining from a pleasurable, victimless activity simply because it is illegal shows that you are a giant pussy.
 
2012-08-13 11:38:41 AM
The greatest Olympic athlete in world history is a dirty bong smoker.

Nuff said.
 
2012-08-13 11:44:29 AM

Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult


No, that's called "the suspension of individual judgment for the sake of prejudicial conjecture." That is a very long phrase for a crappy typist such as I, so I just tend to say it b.s.

A drug and a person constitutes a relationship. Each produces an individual outcome, as does any other type of relationship.
 
Al!
2012-08-13 11:45:51 AM
This guy would probably be surprised to learn that there are jobs out there that require you to refrain from drinking. There are many more that should require you to refrain from drinking but don't.
 
2012-08-13 11:49:06 AM

bluorangefyre: Mugato: Someone thinks that people involved in college football should be above the law? This is unprecedented!

What'd you expect from the Criminoles?

/hey NCAA: take away some of Bowden's wins too!



Came for the dissing of a good school, but found a Gator. Leaving while SMH.



Then again, mullets and jhorts are native to Hotgtown, so they've got that going for them.
 
2012-08-13 11:51:12 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'd have much more respect for him if he just said "He's a football player, football brings in big money, that makes him better than you in my eyes"

Stop sugar coating it and just call it what it is.


Approves:
cornhuskersfootball.net
 
2012-08-13 12:10:46 PM

bluorangefyre:

/hey NCAA: take away some of Bowden's wins too!


They already did IIRC, didn't they knock out a two season's worth a few years ago for an ineligible player?
 
2012-08-13 12:14:03 PM

barefoot in the head: Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult

No, that's called "the suspension of individual judgment for the sake of prejudicial conjecture." That is a very long phrase for a crappy typist such as I, so I just tend to say it b.s.

A drug and a person constitutes a relationship. Each produces an individual outcome, as does any other type of relationship.


@Krymson Tyde: Doood! See? You can go ahead and light up. The illegality of marijuana is mere conjecture. If you get caught, just quote barefoot in the head. Your employer and/or the cops will understand.

/not sure how much pot you need to smoke in order to view NOT breaking the law as an unreasonable position.
//also think we should look into decriminalization... a position that only makes sense because of the fact that it IS still illegal (in most of the U.S.)
 
2012-08-13 12:22:43 PM

Confabulat: The greatest Olympic athlete in world history is a dirty bong smoker.

Nuff said.


Bruce Jenner?
 
2012-08-13 12:27:54 PM

Lyonid: barefoot in the head: Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult

No, that's called "the suspension of individual judgment for the sake of prejudicial conjecture." That is a very long phrase for a crappy typist such as I, so I just tend to say it b.s.

A drug and a person constitutes a relationship. Each produces an individual outcome, as does any other type of relationship.

@Krymson Tyde: Doood! See? You can go ahead and light up. The illegality of marijuana

immaturity of drug users is mere conjecture.

If you are going to shoot down the point, you must aim at it.
 
2012-08-13 12:30:48 PM
As a coach I rather have my players smoking a joint after a game instead of pounding pills with a 40oz.
 
2012-08-13 12:39:16 PM

Mr Guy: Kome: you tested positive for cannabis.

That's the problem, and why we can't currently legalize weed. As bad as blood alcohol testing is, there's at least some vague correlation between the results and the difference between drinking now, and had a drink yesterday. We currently don't have a good quick relatively inexpensive test for the difference between smoked weed before you pulled me over, and smoked weed last Sunday. That's what the pro legalization people need to address if they really want weed to break the barriers nationwide. You need a guy in a white coat explaining MADD can still execute people for driving under the influence, even if the definition for under the influence has no basis in science or reality.


Isn't the saliva cheek swab only effective for a couple of hours?
 
2012-08-13 12:40:08 PM

Ambivalence: Umm....beer is legal.

I realize that marijuana isn't nearly as scandalous as it used to be and the public doesn't care if people smoke it (by and large) anymore. But it is still illegal.


FTFA:

"We look at alcohol like it's not a problem," FSU coach Jimbo Fisher said Sunday during an engrossing, emotional dialogue about substance abuse in college football. "Alcohol isn't illegal, and I understand that, but I'll tell you what, it causes as many deaths and bad circumstances as any other drug. But alcohol is accepted."

Fisher looks around at the horde of media members: "What if somebody told everybody in this room that you can't drink a beer again or you're going to get fired?"


wyltoknow: Why football players should be above the rules.


Oh, please. They're completely ridiculous rules FSU put in place -- yes, FSU, not the NCAA -- and they're stricter than most other football schools. If it were UF or Bama, you'd never have heard about it.

Fisher's right. It's completely retarded. It's not a performance-enhancing substance, and it makes no sense to hamstring yourself when competitors let much worse crime go.
 
2012-08-13 12:54:24 PM

Mr Guy: Kome: you tested positive for cannabis.

That's the problem, and why we can't currently legalize weed. As bad as blood alcohol testing is, there's at least some vague correlation between the results and the difference between drinking now, and had a drink yesterday. We currently don't have a good quick relatively inexpensive test for the difference between smoked weed before you pulled me over, and smoked weed last Sunday. That's what the pro legalization people need to address if they really want weed to break the barriers nationwide. You need a guy in a white coat explaining MADD can still execute people for driving under the influence, even if the definition for under the influence has no basis in science or reality.


That is a nonsense issue. First of all, people are already smoking and driving, and it's pretty questionable that legalization would lead to a significant increase in stoned driving. Second, what about all the people who drive under the influence of prescription drugs? You know, the kind that state clearly on the label, "Do not drive or operate heavy machinery?" Do the concern trolls have anything to say about this (rather serious and increasing) problem, or is it just weed they're worried about? I think you know the answer to that. Every time a reason for prohibition is debunked, instead of admitting they're wrong they invent something new to lie about. That is all this is.
 
2012-08-13 01:01:05 PM
It's not like he shot the president or was at a Dillards!
 
2012-08-13 01:03:40 PM

barefoot in the head: Lyonid: barefoot in the head: Krymson Tyde: I think marijuana should be decriminalized, but it's not. I would love to periodically smoke a bowl, but I can't if I'm going to ensure my continued employment.
Sometimes you have to forego instant gratification. It's called being an adult

No, that's called "the suspension of individual judgment for the sake of prejudicial conjecture." That is a very long phrase for a crappy typist such as I, so I just tend to say it b.s.

A drug and a person constitutes a relationship. Each produces an individual outcome, as does any other type of relationship.

@Krymson Tyde: Doood! See? You can go ahead and light up. The illegality of marijuana immaturity of drug users is mere conjecture.

If you are going to shoot down the point, you must aim at it.


Important correction, Krymson Tyde. Don't tell the cop that the illegality is mere conjecture. Tell him you are mature.

Whew! Thanks for the update, barefoot. I'd hate to have given bad advice.

/it's still illegal.
//it's still a perfectly reasonable position to choose not to break a law in order to avoid the consequences associated with being caught breaking said law.
///that is in no way the same as "suspending individual judgement". quite the opposite.
////sla-sla-sla-slashy!
 
2012-08-13 01:03:59 PM
Serious, snark-free question:

If it's "because pot is bad," why don't we test the National Merit Scholars? There was no drug testing for Phi Beta Kappa, the Mellon Fellowship for the Humanities, or (as I understand it) the Rhodes Scholarship. I was a presidential fellow at FSU--and a jolly good one, at that--and I never had to pee in a cup.

So why do we test the athletes, and not the scholars? Hell, I probably spent 10% of my fellowship money on pot, and another 10% on booze. The rest I just wasted.
 
2012-08-13 01:06:27 PM
The man should be commended for his very balanced and pragmatic views.
 
2012-08-13 01:07:15 PM

Pick13: As a coach I rather have my players smoking a joint after a game instead of pounding pills with a 40oz.


This.

/Seriously, legalize Marijuana
 
2012-08-13 01:07:53 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: Serious, snark-free question:

If it's "because pot is bad," why don't we test the National Merit Scholars? There was no drug testing for Phi Beta Kappa, the Mellon Fellowship for the Humanities, or (as I understand it) the Rhodes Scholarship. I was a presidential fellow at FSU--and a jolly good one, at that--and I never had to pee in a cup.

So why do we test the athletes, and not the scholars? Hell, I probably spent 10% of my fellowship money on pot, and another 10% on booze. The rest I just wasted.


National Merit Scholars don't bring in tens of millions of dollars per year. The high visibility brings high scrutiny.
 
2012-08-13 01:13:59 PM

Confabulat: The greatest Olympic athlete in world history is a dirty bong smoker.

Nuff said.


The current President of the United States toked a bit in college, as did his predecessor and the guy before that guy.

/also, the stuff is less toxic than tap water
 
2012-08-13 01:26:21 PM
Now I feel like catching a buzz.
 
2012-08-13 01:26:56 PM

Ambivalence: Umm....beer is legal.

I realize that marijuana isn't nearly as scandalous as it used to be and the public doesn't care if people smoke it (by and large) anymore. But it is still illegal.


He has an affirmative defense.
 
2012-08-13 01:41:48 PM
Santonio Holmes, Ricky Williams unavailable for comment (too stoned)
 
2012-08-13 01:47:22 PM

Lyonid: //it's still a perfectly reasonable position to choose not to break a law in order to avoid the consequences associated with being caught breaking said law.
///that is in no way the same as "suspending individual judgement". quite the opposite.
////sla-sla-sla-slashy!


Read the post into which you jumped and look for a reference to the police. You won't find one. Krymson Tyde claims that deferring to his employer's judgment, and thereby denying his own (beyond the premise that acquiesence = survival), is "adult". If you discuss his use of that word in terms of fact-versus-value judgment, you will be addressing the point. I have already made mine.
 
2012-08-13 02:11:11 PM

Ambivalence: Umm....beer is legal.

I realize that marijuana isn't nearly as scandalous as it used to be and the public doesn't care if people smoke it (by and large) anymore. But it is still illegal.


But driving drunk with an open container of alcohol in the front seat is illegal:

if Reid had been arrested for DUI with an open bottle of Jack Daniels in the front seat, he'd probably still be on the team.

Junior outside linebacker Chase Vasser must sit out the first two games of the season after he was arrested on charges of driving under the influence and for driving in an improper lane in Atlanta on May 11.


Link

Further, I agree with you marijuana is illegal but it should not be illegal.
 
2012-08-13 02:18:18 PM
Yes, Dorothy, it IS possible to flunk out of FSU football. Not academically of course, but there are tests that you can fail if you are too damn stupid to play the game.
 
2012-08-13 02:29:21 PM

lennavan: Junior outside linebacker Chase Vasser must sit out the first two games of the season after he was arrested on charges of driving under the influence and for driving in an improper lane in Atlanta on May 11.

Link


Yes but this seems to indicate that this may not have have been the first time for Reid and that it may not be policy to kick a guy off the team for a single violation.

FTA: There has been rampant speculation that Reid may have surpassed FSU's three-strikes-and-you're-out university policy for testing positive for marijuana.
 
2012-08-13 02:30:42 PM
Marijuana is not a performance-enhancing drug.

Say it with me: Marijuana is NOT a performance-enhancing drug.

Oblig Robin Williams - Link O RAMA

/Marijuana enhances many things
//Tastes - Sensations
///But you are definitely not F'ing EMPOWERED
////Ooh is that a Hershey bar in the end zone?
 
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