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(The New York Times)   "I don't know if I'll use the medication to end my life, but I do know that it is my life, it is my death, and it should be my choice"   (nytimes.com) divider line 213
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2012-08-12 11:05:45 PM
Was obvious tag over dosing?
 
2012-08-12 11:24:49 PM
I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.
 
2012-08-12 11:39:34 PM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


That's a valid choice, but I disagree. I would take the medication and go out on my own terms in my own time.
But the point is, how you go should be up to you. And you don't get to choose for me.
 
2012-08-12 11:54:13 PM

propasaurus: Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.

That's a valid choice, but I disagree. I would take the medication and go out on my own terms in my own time.
But the point is, how you go should be up to you. And you don't get to choose for me.


Everyone should be able to choose for themselves. I'm just afraid people will pump drugs by default.
 
2012-08-13 12:15:54 AM
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2012-08-13 12:21:56 AM
I thought this would be another Terry Pratchett story. Glad to see it is not.

It's depressing to think he wants to end it early, even though heading off Alzheimers is an understandable reason.
 
2012-08-13 12:37:17 AM
I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.
 
2012-08-13 12:40:29 AM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


I do. I want to go out without even a hint of pain or fear, but that's just me.
 
2012-08-13 12:46:49 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.


Bullshiat.
 
2012-08-13 12:54:52 AM
That guy in the background is hitting on his wife.
 
2012-08-13 12:54:56 AM
ALS usually ends with the victim gasping for air or choking on baby food that someone is spoon-feeding him.

To deny the person the right to die would be the pinnacle of inhumanity.

And spare me the "we shouldn't play God/let God decide" bullshiat. If the only way to keep someone alive is to stick a bunch of tubes into them, force air into their lungs and feed them with an IV, then God has already decided.
 
2012-08-13 01:36:33 AM

Zeppo Nightshade: Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.

I do. I want to go out without even a hint of pain or fear, but that's just me.


I'm not afraid of pain. But then I have a pretty high resistance for it (and as such I would never presume that my preferences should be universal to everyone).
 
2012-08-13 03:20:00 AM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


Go for it, dude.
 
2012-08-13 03:21:29 AM

Ambivalence: Everyone should be able to choose for themselves. I'm just afraid people will pump drugs by default.


Beats pumping the shotgun. Kinda rude to the cleanup crew.
 
2012-08-13 03:22:57 AM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


I'm afraid that the sparks'll just go out. There'll be no fanfare.

I tend to think of general anesthesia to be a sneak preview of being dead.
 
2012-08-13 03:25:25 AM
In b4, "not screaming like my passengers."
 
2012-08-13 03:25:55 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.


Come back and ask that question again when you're in so much pain, they're pumping you full of morphine to the point that it's oozing out your pores.
 
2012-08-13 03:29:11 AM

PlatypusPuke: Come back and ask that question again when you're in so much pain, they're pumping you full of morphine to the point that it's oozing out your pores.


Read the name of the person you're replying to as if their post were serious, then smack yourself on the forehead and retire from the internet in shame for a few days. I think you've had enough for a while, eh?
 
2012-08-13 03:31:33 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.


When my mom's cancer had progressed so far it riddled her bones and gave her cirrhosis of the liver, I sometimes wonder if she'd have been a lot happier ending it on her terms rather than unconscious because of built up toxins in her body, on a respirator, in a hospital room after ~3 days of doctors trying to figure out if they could do anything. I know she didn't want to go, because she wanted to see me graduate high school but that was 3 years she couldn't possibly make it through.

Miracles may happen, but they're few and far between. The rest of us have to face reality. I have a personal goal of doing a shiatload of writing, if I'm diagnosed with something terminal, but if I get to the point where I can't do that on my own, I'm going out the way I want to and not as an empty shell in a hospital bed.
 
2012-08-13 03:35:13 AM
I have absolutely no desire to go out as a vegetable, in extraordinary pain, or after years of being unable to communicate or appreciate the world around me. That doesn't have to be everyone's choice, but why can't it be mine?

I love life, and once I'm unable to appreciate it, I can't see any point in continuing it. And, yes, I have a 'living will' that states as much. I just hope those directives are carried out.

There is nothing that makes us more human than our ability to recognize our own mortality. Once we know the end is approaching... any decision about how that end comes should be our own. It is, after all, the last decision we will ever make.
 
2012-08-13 03:36:14 AM
Hero tag?
 
2012-08-13 03:37:27 AM

shanrick: That guy in the background is hitting on his wife.


I should hope not, since that guy in the background is his son, and the person he's talking to is his sister.

This is Washington, not West Virginia. :P
 
2012-08-13 03:39:55 AM
So long as insurance can't be claimed afterwards, die how you like.
 
2012-08-13 03:40:49 AM
I voted for this.
I've seen several people suffer from disease and supposed 'cures' only to be in terminal pain and stripped of dignity.
A friend in Oregon chose the assisted 'suicide' a few years back. He gathered friends and family around, said his goodbyes and checked out.
 
2012-08-13 03:41:08 AM
I want to got out in my sleep, like Granddad. Not screaming like everyone else in his car.
 
2012-08-13 03:42:54 AM

robohobo: So long as insurance can't be claimed afterwards, die how you like.


Why shouldn't insurance be claimed?
 
2012-08-13 03:43:31 AM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


So much for ambivalence.
 
2012-08-13 03:44:05 AM

Ambivalence: propasaurus: Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.

That's a valid choice, but I disagree. I would take the medication and go out on my own terms in my own time.
But the point is, how you go should be up to you. And you don't get to choose for me.

Everyone should be able to choose for themselves. I'm just afraid people will pump drugs by default.


why would that bother you?
 
2012-08-13 03:46:49 AM

relcec: Ambivalence: propasaurus: Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.

That's a valid choice, but I disagree. I would take the medication and go out on my own terms in my own time.
But the point is, how you go should be up to you. And you don't get to choose for me.

Everyone should be able to choose for themselves. I'm just afraid people will pump drugs by default.

why would that bother you?


Mother Teresa also felt that dying should be met with clarity and unnecessary pain.
 
2012-08-13 03:48:04 AM
If you wanna snuff it, I say snuff it. Just don't step on someone else's dick on the way out, man.
 
2012-08-13 03:54:22 AM
just take half of one ...
 
2012-08-13 03:55:00 AM
The choice should and must be yours. Anyone who tells you that you should not have the right to die on your terms is out of line.
 
2012-08-13 03:57:31 AM
If anything in this world can be considered mine, it is my own life; I'll live it or end it as I choose.
 
2012-08-13 03:59:30 AM
Are the pills painless? How do they work? I'm afraid they would paralyze the body so that it looks like you are resting peacefully but inside you are burning up from the choking sensation of not getting any air. I wish we could be put under long before being given something to stop our hearts so you absolutely wouldn't feel it.
 
2012-08-13 04:00:36 AM
My Dad is dying from ALS, I am, effictively, his day-to-day caregiver. He always loved to eat, good food, he taught me about good food and how to enjoy it (firstly at the Cafe de Paris in Omaha). Now he cannot eat. I have to squirt 9 cans of isocal into him through a tube in his stomach every day. When I cook something good he will take a bite and just hold it in his mouth to taste it but he says he can't even taste anymore. He looks like a Holocaust victim. He just wants to go. He's done. He has no quality of life.

I shake his room down from time to time for cigs, hoarded sleeping pills etc. I found a Taurus .357 wrapped up in legal papers in his drawer a few months ago, with one bullet in the cylinder, the other four in the bottom of the drawer. I biatched him out and had it removed. He told me he had a .380 auto I would never find, I told him if it came to that then I would give him the .357 back, no father of mine is going to be shooting himself with a farking peashooter (he would probably miss with either the way he shakes) so do it right. He backed down.

At what point is it just cruel to make people "live" like this?
 
2012-08-13 04:03:33 AM

relcec: Everyone should be able to choose for themselves. I'm just afraid people will pump drugs by default.

why would that bother you?


Not only that, a huge chunk of people spend their last months/years doped up anyway.
 
2012-08-13 04:03:50 AM
I wonder how many people who choose to end their own lives in this way believe they'll be waking up in Heaven.

(or whether religiosity is a factor at all in either direction)
 
2012-08-13 04:05:48 AM

Captain_Ballbeard: My Dad is dying from ALS, I am, effictively, his day-to-day caregiver. He always loved to eat, good food, he taught me about good food and how to enjoy it (firstly at the Cafe de Paris in Omaha). Now he cannot eat. I have to squirt 9 cans of isocal into him through a tube in his stomach every day. When I cook something good he will take a bite and just hold it in his mouth to taste it but he says he can't even taste anymore. He looks like a Holocaust victim. He just wants to go. He's done. He has no quality of life.

I shake his room down from time to time for cigs, hoarded sleeping pills etc. I found a Taurus .357 wrapped up in legal papers in his drawer a few months ago, with one bullet in the cylinder, the other four in the bottom of the drawer. I biatched him out and had it removed. He told me he had a .380 auto I would never find, I told him if it came to that then I would give him the .357 back, no father of mine is going to be shooting himself with a farking peashooter (he would probably miss with either the way he shakes) so do it right. He backed down.

At what point is it just cruel to make people "live" like this?


Tough call, but after seeing several people die in recent years I'd leave the pills and the gun in his room.
 
2012-08-13 04:07:06 AM
To clarify:

I watched my father die. He didn't ask for any help dying, and we didn't discuss assisted suicide. Truth be told, I don't know what his preferences would have been- by the time I thought to ask, it was too late. He fought until the bitter end against lymphoma, but it took him.

But not cleanly.

He died by inches. We watched him shrink. I watched my father go from the guy who towered over me even when I was two inches taller than he was to a frail, trembling shadow of himself. By. Inches. He was stolen from us; agony etched in his features- he knew what was happening to him but toward the end couldn't clearly communicate it. I watched him slowly slip away.

I crushed morphine tablets in a spoon with water for him and spooned the mixture into his mouth every few hours (No, it was on the doctor's dosing schedule, you asshole. Yeah, you- the one who was going to accuse me of overdosing him on purpose. Fark off.) and watched it carry him and the pain away.

The pain kept coming back but him? Less and less.

He died sometime between 9 and 10 AM after his wife had gone out for a few minutes. His three sons, myself included, were in the house but asleep; it had been a long night. My brother called us in and I checked his pulse.

If this law had been in effect when he was told the last-ditch treatments he'd taken were ineffective, he might have been able to choose a more dignified exit. Maybe he wouldn't have chosen it. But he didn't even have the option. He had to sit at home and die of starvation and dehydration because the cancer had grown and blocked his intestines and stomach.

He couldn't even drink water. He died in agony, blunted by drugs that made it impossible for him to even speak. He could have had a better death- one that befit his life.

So, let me just say this to anyone who would gainsay me in this:

You are bad, and you should feel bad.
 
2012-08-13 04:09:35 AM

AbbeySomeone: Captain_Ballbeard: My Dad is dying from ALS, I am, effictively, his day-to-day caregiver. He always loved to eat, good food, he taught me about good food and how to enjoy it (firstly at the Cafe de Paris in Omaha). Now he cannot eat. I have to squirt 9 cans of isocal into him through a tube in his stomach every day. When I cook something good he will take a bite and just hold it in his mouth to taste it but he says he can't even taste anymore. He looks like a Holocaust victim. He just wants to go. He's done. He has no quality of life.

I shake his room down from time to time for cigs, hoarded sleeping pills etc. I found a Taurus .357 wrapped up in legal papers in his drawer a few months ago, with one bullet in the cylinder, the other four in the bottom of the drawer. I biatched him out and had it removed. He told me he had a .380 auto I would never find, I told him if it came to that then I would give him the .357 back, no father of mine is going to be shooting himself with a farking peashooter (he would probably miss with either the way he shakes) so do it right. He backed down.

At what point is it just cruel to make people "live" like this?

Tough call, but after seeing several people die in recent years I'd leave the pills and the gun in his room.


And what? Have me or my kids get hit with the stray? On his best day, he looks like Limbaugh impersonating Michael J Fox, no way the man needs a firearm. His pills - not suicide material. That there is not a humane outlet for this great man available from a medical professional is a farkING OUTRAGE
 
2012-08-13 04:14:25 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God.


I'm not sure why you had to cram so many dependent clauses into that poor sentence, but you lost me at "God."
 
2012-08-13 04:15:36 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.


Look at you, trying to make people feel sad or guilty when all they want to do is end suffering. That's just horrible. When it comes to living in misery and eternal pain, the choice between languishing in torment or flipping the on/off switch to the off position you'd have to be some sort of inhuman demon to want to keep people in their hellish agony. A doctor who is willing to end the tortuous existence of a suffering wretch is a saint.
 
2012-08-13 04:16:41 AM
And remember, all this suffering is because of JESUS. The same motherfarkers in these forums day in and day out who have no problem killing a quarter million brown people for oil are the same ones screaming about miracles and JEEBUS and the sanctity of life. Motherfarkers are just lucky there is nothing I could extract from their warm corpse to help my Dad.
 
2012-08-13 04:17:07 AM

Ambivalence: I would never want medication to end my life, or even to make dying easier (to a point). When I die I want to be fully present for it, not in some drugged up haze. I don't want to die unconscious or so quickly I don't even know what's going on.


Unless your body is incredibly inferior, you will not be "fully present" when you die, no matter what.
 
2012-08-13 04:17:14 AM

AbbeySomeone: Captain_Ballbeard: My Dad is dying from ALS, I am, effictively, his day-to-day caregiver. He always loved to eat, good food, he taught me about good food and how to enjoy it (firstly at the Cafe de Paris in Omaha). Now he cannot eat. I have to squirt 9 cans of isocal into him through a tube in his stomach every day. When I cook something good he will take a bite and just hold it in his mouth to taste it but he says he can't even taste anymore. He looks like a Holocaust victim. He just wants to go. He's done. He has no quality of life.

I shake his room down from time to time for cigs, hoarded sleeping pills etc. I found a Taurus .357 wrapped up in legal papers in his drawer a few months ago, with one bullet in the cylinder, the other four in the bottom of the drawer. I biatched him out and had it removed. He told me he had a .380 auto I would never find, I told him if it came to that then I would give him the .357 back, no father of mine is going to be shooting himself with a farking peashooter (he would probably miss with either the way he shakes) so do it right. He backed down.

At what point is it just cruel to make people "live" like this?

Tough call, but after seeing several people die in recent years I'd leave the pills and the gun in his room.


If it was up to me, I'd rather not have to clean up after a gun suicide.
 
2012-08-13 04:17:39 AM
I just know that if I am ever sick and dying and in pain, and am being kept alive in a hospital by being hooked up to a machine, I hope someone also gives me a gun with a bullet in it...

...so I can shoot any farker who tries to unplug my machine.
 
2012-08-13 04:19:06 AM

ignite ice: I'm not sure we should be exactly proud of all our achievements as far as technology, medicine, education, when it culminates in whether or not we should be able to kill ourselves and how we can go about doing it in a way that looks like we aren't trying to play God. So I get that people want to take control of when and how they die, how they 'exit' this life, but I'm not sure assisted suicide is anything to be standing behind. Doctors assisting in it might as well be honest with society and admit that they are maybe just assisting in a homicide, if not carrying it out on the behalf of their patients. I wouldn't exactly trust many doctors to make that call as to whether or not a person is beyond hope either. Thinks happen all the time when you least expect it that people can't explain. Assisted suicide is just giving up on those miracles. Why support it.


Step to me with that shiat motherfarker, I will show you the power of your "God".
 
2012-08-13 04:24:38 AM

Skyrmion: I just know that if I am ever sick and dying and in pain, and am being kept alive in a hospital by being hooked up to a machine, I hope someone also gives me a gun with a bullet in it...

...so I can shoot any farker who tries to unplug my machine.


But what if you're just sick and in pain and hooked up to the machine and not going to get any better, but not especially dying either?
 
2012-08-13 04:25:32 AM
Just read tfa: he's dying of ALS, same as my Dad.

I can only hope that all of you holy roller insurance scamster shills end up in the same slowly sinking boat someday.
 
2012-08-13 04:25:55 AM
I'm not scared of dying
And I don't really care
If it's peace you find in dying
Well, then let the time be near
If it's peace you find in dying And if dying time is here
Just bundle up my coffin
'Cause it's cold way down there I hear that it's cold way down there
Yeah, crazy cold way down there

And when I die, and when I'm gone
There'll be one child born In this world to carry on, to carry on

Now troubles are many, they're as deep as a well
I can swear there ain't no heaven but I pray there ain't no hell
Swear there ain't no heaven and I pray there ain't no hell
But I'll never know by living, only my dying will tell
Yes, only my dying will tell, yeah, only my dying will tell

And when I die, and when I'm gone
There'll be one child born In this world to carry on, to carry on, yeah yeah

Give me my freedom for as long as I be
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me
All I ask of living is to have no chains on me
And all I ask of dying is to go naturally Oh, I want to go naturally

Here I go,
hey hey Here comes the devil right behind
Look out children
Here he comes, here he comes, hey

Don't want to go by the devil
Don't want to go by demon
Don't want to go by Satan
Don't want to die uneasy
Just let me go naturally

And when I die and when I'm dead, dead and gone
There'll be one child born In our world to carry on, to carry on, yeah yeah
 
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