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(Holland Sentinel)   New app for pothole location in testing phase. The idea is, smart phones in cars will collect data on suspension-damaging movement, the system will pinpoint pothole locations, and transportation departments will continue to ignore the potholes   (hollandsentinel.com ) divider line
    More: Spiffy, Grand Valley State University, potholes, remote servers, Ed Aboufadel, United States Department of Transportation  
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2012-08-12 10:57:01 PM  
You can't hug your children with apps.
 
2012-08-12 11:00:36 PM  
Let me sum it up for you.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-08-12 11:04:05 PM  
media.tumblr.com
 
2012-08-12 11:11:23 PM  
1-800-POTHOLE

No, really. NYS DOT pothole hotline. Srs bizniz up here. I tried to link the page but apparently Fark doesn't believe me.
 
2012-08-12 11:22:44 PM  
Might as well highlight the whole of Utica, NY. Well, except for the route used for the Boilermaker.
 
2012-08-12 11:22:46 PM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: You can't hug your children with apps.


Yet.
 
2012-08-13 12:07:49 AM  
Shouldn't it be able to just work with the accelerometer...?

Set the phone in your cup holder... and if you hit a bump the phone asks, "damn, was that a pothole?"

You reply, "yup"

and the location it gets uploaded to the database.


If you hit one that jars the phone so hard it pops out of the cup holder... it doesn't even ask, just uploads.
 
2012-08-13 12:34:45 AM  

vegasj: Shouldn't it be able to just work with the accelerometer...?

Set the phone in your cup holder... and if you hit a bump the phone asks, "damn, was that a pothole?"

You reply, "yup"

and the location it gets uploaded to the database.


If you hit one that jars the phone so hard it pops out of the cup holder... it doesn't even ask, just uploads.


I like the way you think. I would drive every road in my city if that was possible.
 
2012-08-13 02:49:37 AM  
Why have an administrative layer to deal with potholes if you instead funded your infrastructure maintenance to pour roads that are modern and robust like other developed countries do?

When I drive in Europe where weather is worse, I don't see the goat paths which are US American standard quality but smooth, driveable, maintained Tarmac.

I swear we resemble more a third world shiathole every year.

Infrastructure which enables efficient commerce and employment is not socialism, it's civililization.
 
2012-08-13 03:53:31 AM  

lohphat:

When I drive in Europe where weather is worse, I don't see the goat paths which are US American standard quality but smooth, driveable, maintained Tarmac.


Clearly you don't regularly drive in lake effect snow areas in upstate NY. They're not goat paths but neither are they EASY to maintain without absolutely destroying the pavement over time. Ice melting (salt usually) + plows = wear and tear that has to be repaved every few years, ideally. Budget cuts in the last 5 years mean that's not happening, sadly, but we've had the pothole hotline for even longer just out of principle.
 
2012-08-13 04:19:01 AM  
files.brandflakesforbreakfast.com

Oh no, your tires all flat and junk!
 
2012-08-13 06:57:19 AM  

lohphat: Why have an administrative layer to deal with potholes if you instead funded your infrastructure maintenance to pour roads that are modern and robust like other developed countries do?

When I drive in Europe where weather is worse, I don't see the goat paths which are US American standard quality but smooth, driveable, maintained Tarmac.

I swear we resemble more a third world shiathole every year.

Infrastructure which enables efficient commerce and employment is not socialism, it's civililization.


The type of maintenance on those roads in other countries makes a difference too. I'm firmly of the belief that a large part of the potholes in the northern areas (anywhere that gets snow regularly) of North America are a result of the snowplows catching and pulling up clumps, which are further exaggerated as people drive over. Ever seen the snow banks in late spring, or after the snow melts completely? There's a substantial pile of rubble and gravel, and it comes from the road.

I don't know how badly Europe gets snow, but my understanding it's not as frequent just because of the climate there to begin. Britain is at the same latitude as Newfoundland (actually slightly more north) but I bet Newfoundland gets a ton more snow, just because of how the Atlantic affects precipitation patterns.

It is certainly plausible that there's also a difference of philosophy and technology involved that would allow European roads to be maintained better, but it is hard to know for sure until until they're subjected to the same frequency of plowing as our roads here.
 
2012-08-13 08:44:42 AM  
Farking lawyers: Link
 
2012-08-13 12:23:53 PM  

lohphat: Infrastructure which enables efficient commerce and employment is not socialism, it's civililization.


Frikkin' commie.
 
2012-08-13 02:18:33 PM  

Niveras: lohphat: Why have an administrative layer to deal with potholes if you instead funded your infrastructure maintenance to pour roads that are modern and robust like other developed countries do?

When I drive in Europe where weather is worse, I don't see the goat paths which are US American standard quality but smooth, driveable, maintained Tarmac.

I swear we resemble more a third world shiathole every year.

Infrastructure which enables efficient commerce and employment is not socialism, it's civililization.

The type of maintenance on those roads in other countries makes a difference too. I'm firmly of the belief that a large part of the potholes in the northern areas (anywhere that gets snow regularly) of North America are a result of the snowplows catching and pulling up clumps, which are further exaggerated as people drive over. Ever seen the snow banks in late spring, or after the snow melts completely? There's a substantial pile of rubble and gravel, and it comes from the road.

I don't know how badly Europe gets snow, but my understanding it's not as frequent just because of the climate there to begin. Britain is at the same latitude as Newfoundland (actually slightly more north) but I bet Newfoundland gets a ton more snow, just because of how the Atlantic affects precipitation patterns.

It is certainly plausible that there's also a difference of philosophy and technology involved that would allow European roads to be maintained better, but it is hard to know for sure until until they're subjected to the same frequency of plowing as our roads here.


Snow plows? Not likely. Snow plows enhance existing damage. But reducing or restricting snow plows wont likely reduce the frequency of potholes. Try restricting the movement of heavy trucks, semi's, lorri's, dump trucks, etc. Potholes, cracks and sinkholes are the result of road compression. Asphalt manufacturers sell several grades of asphalt that each have their own resistance to road compression and weather over a period of time usually rated for 10 or 20 years. However regardless of asphalt grade; abrasion and compression will eventually destroy anything. 15 2-tonne passenger cars are note the equivalent of A single 30-tonne semi truck. The semi is 100 times worse; More so if its overloaded. Roads constructed not using high grade asphalt should totally restrict or prohibit heavy commercial trucks. Instant reduction of wear and tear and lower city road maintenance costs. Also better traffic flow. Win-win
 
2012-08-13 02:34:07 PM  

Niveras: It is certainly plausible that there's also a difference of philosophy and technology involved that would allow European roads to be maintained better, but it is hard to know for sure until until they're subjected to the same frequency of plowing as our roads here.


I've been to Tromsø in Norway (above the Arctic Circle, the country's 9th largest city) and the roads are not in the condition we see in the US.

As TommyAtomic said, it's how you build the roads and how you restrict traffic.
 
2012-08-13 02:57:47 PM  

Gaboo: lohphat: Infrastructure which enables efficient commerce and employment is not socialism, it's civililization.

Frikkin' commie.


The free market will fill the holes in. Cue story of guy arrested and fined for filling in pot holes.
 
2012-08-13 03:35:16 PM  

TommyAtomic: Niveras: lohphat: Snow plows? Not likely. Snow plows enhance existing damage. But reducing or restricting snow plows wont likely reduce the frequency of potholes. Try restricting the movement of heavy trucks, semi's, lorri's, dump trucks, etc. Potholes, cracks and sinkholes are the result of road compression. Asphalt manufacturers sell several grades of asphalt that each have their own resistance to road compression and weather over a period of time usually rated for 10 or 20 years. However regardless of asphalt grade; abrasion and compression will eventually destroy anything. 15 2-tonne passenger cars are note the equivalent of A single 30-tonne semi truck. The semi is 100 times worse; More so if its overloaded. Roads constructed not using high grade asphalt should totally restrict or prohibit heavy commercial trucks. Instant reduction of wear and tear and lower city road maintenance costs. Also better traffic flow. Win-win


So what you're saying is that the Europeans, with their highly superior rail systems, are really preserving their roads by not having stupid amounts of heavy-wheeled traffic on it, unlike every damn town in America. I tell you, I would be so happy if they ever outlawed the majority of Semis on the roads - make it so they can only go from rail loading yards to the business they deliver to and the opposite, with none of this 'private semi-driver going back and forth to Florida three times a week to get grapefruits' (example based on a guy I know).

Back in 2008 when the gas prices got insane, I read somewhere that cargo trains use like 75% less fuel than most semis, and you can put way more on them of course. WHY haven't we made it mandatory and/or more attractive... sigh.
 
2012-08-13 03:56:05 PM  

ladyfortuna: Back in 2008 when the gas prices got insane, I read somewhere that cargo trains use like 75% less fuel than most semis, and you can put way more on them of course. WHY haven't we made it mandatory and/or more attractive... sigh.


Oil and trucking lobbies.
 
2012-08-13 04:17:06 PM  
Sir! I will have you know that the Transportation Department does NOT ignore potholes (on the street on which the mayor resides)! Good Day!
 
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