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2012-08-12 11:41:40 PM
$5,000 for government to install a stop sign

More like it cost $5K to install the signs, restripe and add the stop line marks to the roads. That paint isn't cheap.
 
2012-08-13 12:00:05 AM
$5000 for two signs, subby.
 
2012-08-13 12:33:17 AM
"Mitt, you hear about these $5000 stop signs?" asks Paul. He raises his arms over his head and washes the last of the shampoo from his tightly bunched nest of black curls. Romney smiles at the way Paul twists in the steamy shower, subtly flashing his armpits to Mitt like his arms were radar arrays and his smooth clefts were reflecting Mitt's innermost thoughts back at the man while he scrapes suds from his naked body with his open hand.

"Did I? Talk about parasites! First we have to remind them to avoid ramming their cars together at high speed, but now we're footing the bill? It's insane!" says Mitt. His eyes paw Paul's younger body appreciatively through the misty haze only to reject the metaphor as if the word "paw" might suddenly summon Tim Pawlenty and make their mutual man showering all awkward.

"Seriously! It's like Ayn Rand writ large!" says Ryan. His abs steam. They were once awesome, back when he was piloting a meat filled wagon through the underbelly of Wisconsin, which, when it's described, can take no modifier other than the cliche of "soft". Now his abs are mere reminders of how a pack of sausages can go to field when left unattended. They're topped by twin breasts ringed with weird man fur that seems to shake like frantic pom poms whenever anyone mentions Ayn Rand.

He turns and presents his backside to Romney, seemingly uneasy that the man behind him is washing his totem savagely like Romney's hand were made of Silly Putty and his prick were printed with words from Atlas Shrugged.

"Are you really sure Clinton and Gore took showers together...?" asks Ryan but Romney's only answer is a sigh and strained grunt as he pours his chances at the presidency down the soap stained drain at the sound of Ayn Rand's name.
 
2012-08-13 01:08:06 AM
The stop sign outside Paoletta's home - and another at Southeast Third Street - were installed after the city resolved a yearlong dispute with Broward County over the need to slow traffic

If only there were some kind of bump that would make people reduce speed on the street.


dameron: stuff


Romney/Ryan slashfic? Already? That didn't take long.
 
2012-08-13 05:25:48 AM
Since its June 29 installation, Steve Paoletta says, he has had to contend with the endless sound of stop-and-go traffic, including the vexing 6:30 a.m. wake-up call of Publix delivery trucks idling and accelerating just 28 feet from his bedroom window at Southeast Fifth Avenue and Southeast Seventh Street.

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2012-08-13 05:37:55 AM
dameron Romney/Ryan slashfic

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2012-08-13 06:43:48 AM
"Paoletta said Baldwin met with him last week and suggested he either soundproof his home or collect signatures on a petition asking to relocate the sign. fark the hell off and stop bugging them about his whiny little 'problems.'"

FTFA
 
2012-08-13 06:44:10 AM
But they could have Bubba down the street dig a few holes and throw a bucket of house paint on the road. Pretty much the same thing.
 
2012-08-13 06:45:37 AM

dameron: "Mitt, you hear about these $5000 stop signs?" asks Paul. He raises his arms over his head and washes the last of the shampoo from his tightly bunched nest of black curls. Romney smiles at the way Paul twists in the steamy shower, subtly flashing his armpits to Mitt like his arms were radar arrays and his smooth clefts were reflecting Mitt's innermost thoughts back at the man while he scrapes suds from his naked body with his open hand.

"Did I? Talk about parasites! First we have to remind them to avoid ramming their cars together at high speed, but now we're footing the bill? It's insane!" says Mitt. His eyes paw Paul's younger body appreciatively through the misty haze only to reject the metaphor as if the word "paw" might suddenly summon Tim Pawlenty and make their mutual man showering all awkward.

"Seriously! It's like Ayn Rand writ large!" says Ryan. His abs steam. They were once awesome, back when he was piloting a meat filled wagon through the underbelly of Wisconsin, which, when it's described, can take no modifier other than the cliche of "soft". Now his abs are mere reminders of how a pack of sausages can go to field when left unattended. They're topped by twin breasts ringed with weird man fur that seems to shake like frantic pom poms whenever anyone mentions Ayn Rand.

He turns and presents his backside to Romney, seemingly uneasy that the man behind him is washing his totem savagely like Romney's hand were made of Silly Putty and his prick were printed with words from Atlas Shrugged.

"Are you really sure Clinton and Gore took showers together...?" asks Ryan but Romney's only answer is a sigh and strained grunt as he pours his chances at the presidency down the soap stained drain at the sound of Ayn Rand's name.


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/favorited, sir. Outstanding job.
 
2012-08-13 06:52:48 AM
Cool Hand Luke would just cut it down.
 
2012-08-13 06:54:10 AM

dameron: ...like Romney's hand were made of Silly Putty and his prick were printed with words from Atlas Shrugged.


And coffee, meet monitor.

/sigh

Well done, sir.
 
Skr
2012-08-13 06:55:55 AM
Eck it has only been under 2 months. Give some more time and it will be like sleeping through trains and planes.

Alternatively just get a high powered fan like me and drown out all outside noise.
 
2012-08-13 06:56:34 AM
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2012-08-13 07:02:23 AM
My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..
 
2012-08-13 07:05:05 AM
Poor people problems
 
2012-08-13 07:08:32 AM

SpaceyCat: $5,000 for government to install a stop sign

More like it cost $5K to install the signs, restripe and add the stop line marks to the roads. That paint isn't cheap.

The stop sign outside Paoletta's home - and another at Southeast Third Street - were installed after the city resolved a yearlong dispute with Broward County over the need to slow traffic on the 2-mile stretch of Southeast Fifth Avenue between Sheridan Street and Dania Beach Boulevard.


Bureaucratic time ain't cheap, either.
 
2012-08-13 07:10:49 AM

fusillade762: The stop sign outside Paoletta's home - and another at Southeast Third Street - were installed after the city resolved a yearlong dispute with Broward County over the need to slow traffic

If only there were some kind of bump that would make people reduce speed on the street.


dameron: stuff

Romney/Ryan slashfic? Already? That didn't take long.


Speed humps have the same effect, and cause all sorts of other annoying noises. I used to drive on a street that was on a hill, it had two traffic-calming speed humps, which slowed traffic down, but boy, you really get people revving to get back up to speed going up the hill.
 
2012-08-13 07:17:28 AM

smadge1: Romney/Ryan slashfic? Already? That didn't take long.

Speed humps have the same effect, and cause all sorts of other annoying noises.



I know the second sentence isn't talking about the first, but still...
 
2012-08-13 07:31:47 AM
What i don't get is WHY they want to slow traffic.. The point of the road is to GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING so why slow it down. Provided they aren't speeding or killing people it just doesn't make sense.
 
2012-08-13 07:35:10 AM
NIMBFY
 
2012-08-13 07:37:09 AM

Rufus Lee King: Buffet: Cool Hand Luke would just cut it down.

What, the gumball machine?


www.animationmagazine.net
 
2012-08-13 08:01:11 AM
The catchall "government" being wasteful always seems to point to the Federal variety and not the State when certain people read it.

so:
Florida's elected State government spends $5000 on two stop signs and some floridiots probably still blame Obama's Big Gubment for this.
 
2012-08-13 08:02:52 AM
The stop sign, Paoletta said, should have been installed farther north, at Southeast Fifth Street, in the first place: "I'm the last house on the east side. If they had installed it one block to the north, there is no house."

But Dominic Orlando, the city's director of public services, said Seventh Street was an "ideal location" because directly to the west it hits the major intersection of Federal and Dixie highways.


Can't always have exactly what you want-sometimes you have to compromise, said "Obvious Man"

These people sound like adults to me. They should know this already.
 
2012-08-13 08:06:43 AM

FabulousFreep: What i don't get is WHY they want to slow traffic.. The point of the road is to GET WHERE YOU ARE GOING so why slow it down. Provided they aren't speeding or killing people it just doesn't make sense.


I think you just answered your own question.
 
2012-08-13 08:37:45 AM

kevinatilusa: smadge1: Romney/Ryan slashfic? Already? That didn't take long.

Speed humps have the same effect, and cause all sorts of other annoying noises.


I know the second sentence isn't talking about the first, but still...


Dang mobile site just quotes the whole thing!
 
2012-08-13 08:55:22 AM
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2012-08-13 09:09:48 AM
Using unnecessary stop signs to deliberately snarl traffic seems quite ridiculous. Putting up a signs that said "SLOW THE F*CK DOWN" would most likely startle enough drivers in the stream of traffic to do just that. And save the paint, because as is been pointed out, that paint ain't cheap.
 
2012-08-13 09:16:13 AM
18 years ago I had an uncontrolled intersection in front of my Minneapolis home. There were near an minor accidents all the time. One day the incumbent city council woman was knocking on doors looking for votes and I brought the intersection up because it was right over her shoulder as she stood on my steps. She talked of studies that would have to be done, she talked about forms I needed fill out and send in, the possibilities of hearings, she talked about how this just couldn't happen overnight and it was a lengthy process.

I did nothing, I left it in her hands, she did nothing either, ever it seemed. Four months go by and one afternoon a city maintenance truck almost runs into a parks and rec truck right there in front of my house, words are exchanged, fingers raised and pointed in both directions. The next day, without forms, without studies, without hearings, at no cost (that ever hit the books anyway) a couple stop signs were installed.
 
2012-08-13 09:23:16 AM

FnkyTwn: The catchall "government" being wasteful always seems to point to the Federal variety and not the State when certain people read it.

so:
Florida's elected State government spends $5000 on two stop signs and some floridiots probably still blame Obama's Big Gubment for this.


People do seem to forget that there are many career opportunities for the unproductive and unskilled in government.

If you can't perform creative work but need money, there are jobs for you at the city, state, and federal levels. That way you don't have to produce anything of value, and you can be paid handsomely at the expense of people that do. The bonus is that you'll go unnoticed when they complain about economic leeches because you have a job.
 
2012-08-13 09:36:51 AM

SpaceyCat: $5,000 for government to install a stop sign

More like it cost $5K to install the signs, restripe and add the stop line marks to the roads. That paint isn't cheap.


Yep. Stop signs themselves are relatively inexpensive, but the thermo striping is what drives the costs up.
 
2012-08-13 09:54:43 AM
This is a great example of how local governments have no understanding of what those stop signs are for.

They aren't to slow traffic. Using them for that is just stupid and results in other problems (people running the sign, folks speeding up loudly, etc.).

Stop signs are to assign right of way at an intersection. Have a minor street intersecting a more "major" one? Use two signs for the minor street. Have two streets of equal importance? Four way. They're to prevent crashes due to misunderstanding of right of way (see Tyee's comment), not to control speed. Use them as speed controls and everybody just ignores the things.
 
2012-08-13 09:57:09 AM

ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..


Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.
 
2012-08-13 09:57:52 AM
"Americans".

Spelings hard.
 
2012-08-13 10:02:17 AM

akula: This is a great example of how local governments have no understanding of what those stop signs are for.

They aren't to slow traffic. Using them for that is just stupid and results in other problems (people running the sign, folks speeding up loudly, etc.).

Stop signs are to assign right of way at an intersection. Have a minor street intersecting a more "major" one? Use two signs for the minor street. Have two streets of equal importance? Four way. They're to prevent crashes due to misunderstanding of right of way (see Tyee's comment), not to control speed. Use them as speed controls and everybody just ignores the things.


It's not local government, its dumbass residents lobbying the town council. I had a neighbor try to get me to sign some form to put a stop sign up. He said the "engineer from the road department advised against it" but that he was trying to get enough signatures to persuade the town council.
 
2012-08-13 10:14:20 AM

lohphat: ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..

Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.


I'm pretty sure that completely tearing up and redesigning/rebuilding an intersection is going to cost a hell of a lot more than 100k.
 
2012-08-13 10:32:34 AM

Noticeably F.A.T.: lohphat: ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..

Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.

I'm pretty sure that completely tearing up and redesigning/rebuilding an intersection is going to cost a hell of a lot more than 100k.


if you consider the regular operating costs, worn break pads, and wasted fuel forcing cars to come to a stop/near-stop, roundabouts are cheap.
 
2012-08-13 11:00:19 AM
Government is ridiculous about the money involved. My town spent just under $100k to build a 1 mile 'natural trail' to go along with many of our other trails. What is a natural trail you ask? A farking dirt path. I would have gone out there with a shovel and worked day/night alone if that is all they wanted
 
2012-08-13 11:01:58 AM

Tenatra: Government is ridiculous about the money involved. My town spent just under $100k to build a 1 mile 'natural trail' to go along with many of our other trails. What is a natural trail you ask? A farking dirt path. I would have gone out there with a shovel and worked day/night alone if that is all they wanted


Did they already own the land and/or access to it?
 
2012-08-13 11:07:53 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Did they already own the land and/or access to it?


Yes, it is in the land already controlled by parks and rec. They just wanted to make another trail to go with their wilderness walking trails.
 
2012-08-13 11:20:05 AM

Chevello: "Paoletta said Baldwin met with him last week and suggested he either soundproof his home or collect signatures on a petition asking to relocate the sign. fark the hell off and stop bugging them about his whiny little 'problems.'"

FTFA


I like how the City Manager met with the guy & was told how to work on the issue. Yet he runs to the media (or whatnot).

Start being part of the solution.
 
2012-08-13 11:24:18 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It's not local government, its dumbass residents lobbying the town council. I had a neighbor try to get me to sign some form to put a stop sign up. He said the "engineer from the road department advised against it" but that he was trying to get enough signatures to persuade the town council.


It's both. For every neighborhood vigilante out there thinking signs solve everything there's a city council under that same impression.
 
2012-08-13 11:35:27 AM
$5,000? Get two, that is the sale price.
 
2012-08-13 11:50:54 AM
it takes $5,000 for government to install a stop sign

this is why we can't have nice things

Public Employee Unions™
 
2012-08-13 12:05:41 PM
My house is close to the road like his and there is a stop about 100 feet down the road on one side and a very sharp corner about 200 feet the other direction. So I get to hear cars slowing/stopping and accelerating from both directions and it drives me nuts. It's so bad that I can't even sleep near the front side of my house where all the bedrooms are because there is constant traffic at all hours of the day and night. I feel his pain.

It's something I never even considered could be a problem because I live in a back corner of a small city. I had no idea there could be this much traffic. Definitely something in my top 3 things to check next time I buy a house.
 
2012-08-13 12:16:26 PM

lohphat: ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..

Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.


Your to stupid.
 
2012-08-13 01:53:53 PM
firstly $5k for 2 signs 2 posts, a couple bags of concrete for the posts and some paint + a couple hours of work seems somewhat excessive and i am sure some waste might be found there even with figuring in Union salaries.

now this guy needs to get over it the people wanted the stop signs they got them, no matter where they put the signs someone was gonna complain about the noise.

At the most i might find some way to help him save some money on soundproofing supplies beyond that id do nothing other that advise what the he was already advised to do.
 
2012-08-13 02:36:07 PM
I'm getting work done to my house and I can believe the $5K price tag. The signs and posts are several hundred dollars, the cement pour, the striping, labor -- yup. My driveway replacement is already at $15K.

Infrastructure ain't cheap.
 
2012-08-13 03:35:13 PM

lohphat: ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..

Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.


My local city govt. decided to install roundabouts instead of re-engineering the intersections to meet the increased traffic needs when a new highway opened up. Now, people who are driving North/South have to sit there for a considerable time before an opening hits in the East/West traffic. My personal record of sitting and waiting is 12 minutes. Prior to this personal hell of a constant flow of traffic off the highway, I would sit there for somewhere between 12 and 18 seconds at the 4 way stop sign. These roundabouts are 'good' for traffic flow how?
 
2012-08-13 03:43:29 PM

Warmachine999: lohphat: ChickenMcBastard: My city can top that expense. What do you do when an intersection causes problems and the DOT only recommends a 4-way stop sign? You spend over $100k on an unnecessary stoplight..

Because Americas are too stupid to navigate roundabouts which require no power to operate and virtually eliminate the need to come to a full stop.

My local city govt. decided to install roundabouts instead of re-engineering the intersections to meet the increased traffic needs when a new highway opened up. Now, people who are driving North/South have to sit there for a considerable time before an opening hits in the East/West traffic. My personal record of sitting and waiting is 12 minutes. Prior to this personal hell of a constant flow of traffic off the highway, I would sit there for somewhere between 12 and 18 seconds at the 4 way stop sign. These roundabouts are 'good' for traffic flow how?


Like any solution, if it's implemented poorly it will cause more problems -- properly designed approaches AND driver training are needed. In the UK (and other countries), roundabouts requiring signal controls are the exception, not the rule. If drivers are hesitant and don't know how to merge while moving, they're not going to work. In this country a pulse is really the only requirement to get a drivers license, in other countries, it's expensive and hard for a reason == keep morans off the road.
 
2012-08-13 04:36:09 PM

Warmachine999: My local city govt. decided to install roundabouts instead of re-engineering the intersections to meet the increased traffic needs when a new highway opened up. Now, people who are driving North/South have to sit there for a considerable time before an opening hits in the East/West traffic. My personal record of sitting and waiting is 12 minutes. Prior to this personal hell of a constant flow of traffic off the highway, I would sit there for somewhere between 12 and 18 seconds at the 4 way stop sign. These roundabouts are 'good' for traffic flow how?


Is this a single lane or multi lane roundabout? The single lane ones are popping up in my town. (if it is a single lane) I have a feeling that you are getting stuck behind people that don't understand how they work. Either that or someone enters but instead of passing through they turn at an adjacent cardinal direction without using a turn signal. This would have given someone a chance to enter the roundabout but now it's too late. I've seen some absurd things in the ones around here.

-Multiple time now I've had the person in front of me decided to wait for a whole line of traffic when no one was even on our side of the circle.
-I've had a lady slam on her brakes right in front of me to let someone in the circle. Completely stopped the flow because the person waiting to enter didn't know what the fark this lady was doing and the lady that stopped wouldn't move until this person came in to the circle.
-Wait for multiple cars to enter Westbound and since there are no turn signals I figure they will pass through straight but most end up exiting Northbound. I'd be able to enter Southbound if even one of these people used the signal. (near daily occurrence)

I started driving with double lane roundabouts and I like them more than this single lane method. I guess it just depends on how the circle is set up.
 
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