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(Federal Times)   TSA employee union wants certification test scores eliminated from performance evaluations - probably because TSA employees don't do so well at certifications   (federaltimes.com) divider line 76
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2012-08-12 04:53:59 PM  
This thread will be fun to watch.

Pro-union leftists versus civil right advocates is always a fun fight to watch
 
2012-08-12 05:25:38 PM  
ya know..f*ck it. I'm sending the TSA an application.
 
2012-08-12 05:55:12 PM  
AFGE did not say what TOPS stands for, or offer details on how it will work. AFGE said TOPS will evaluate screeners' "actual performance of their duties."

Translation: evaluations will be done subjectively by union supervisors who have a paid incentive to have every employee who works under them score "Excellent." The TSA was already a horrendous agency, this should really push them over the edge into that special kind of worthless only the government seems capable of creating.
 
2012-08-12 06:05:00 PM  
Wonder why the people TSA employs wouldn't be intelligent enough to pass certiications.

www.jaunted.com
www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-08-12 07:38:08 PM  
"AFGE did not say what TOPS stands for, or offer details on how it will work."

The acronym is a code word for something secret???
 
2012-08-12 07:38:48 PM  
Ha - gas pump advertisment. Nice! Get a job and gas at the same place. Then go molest people and get paid. What's that box from?
 
2012-08-12 07:40:25 PM  

Oznog: "AFGE did not say what TOPS stands for, or offer details on how it will work."

The acronym is a code word for something secret???


I used to work with the CIA. When something was so top secret that they didn't want to draw attention to it by marking it "TOP SECRET", they had a special stamp that just said "TOP S."
 
2012-08-12 07:40:39 PM  

halloran: Ha - gas pump advertisment. Nice! Get a job and gas at the same place. Then go molest people and get paid. What's that box from?


It's a pizza box.
 
2012-08-12 07:41:02 PM  
Yeah but the union keeps them from working under those terrible working conditions inside an airport.
 
2012-08-12 07:41:13 PM  
It's mean and unfair to ask people to do things they're not good at.
 
2012-08-12 07:41:42 PM  
fta alternative shoe options

They won the right to 'alternative shoe options'? So now those thugs get to wear jack boots?
 
2012-08-12 07:42:09 PM  
Fark the TSA. They, collectively, fail 80% of their surprise inspection/tests, last I heard. What, exactly are they accomplishing other than inconveniencing air travelers? Have they legitimately stopped any terror attacks?

I know they have made some drug busts, whoopee. Thanks for saving us from the drug user engaging in a victimless crime.

Fark the TSA.
 
2012-08-12 07:42:43 PM  
As someone who's part of AFGE (but not TSA), I think it's a crooked. My local President just rigged an election, and we all got a DOL letter notifying us of the unusual things that happened. Irregularities, if you will.

Also, supervisors aren't union. Work evaluations are subjective at best, no matter what's being ranked, even when there are actual numbers (like production) to use instead. There's always enough wiggle room for a supervisor to really screw you over or to really make you look like a freaking superstar when you don't deserve it.
 
2012-08-12 07:43:11 PM  

Notabunny: fta alternative shoe options

They won the right to 'alternative shoe options'? So now those thugs get to wear jack boots?


At least they get to wear shoes.
 
2012-08-12 07:43:31 PM  
Are there any TSAers on the thread that can comment? I have seen companies change their performance management system before - and for the right reasons. I am hesitant to jump to any conclusion without a bit more info on the two systems.
 
2012-08-12 07:44:57 PM  
Normally, I'm fairly supportive of unions. But in this case, fark these clowns.

/teachers unions suck too
//until they allow for weeding out bad teachers
 
2012-08-12 07:45:43 PM  
As much as I am pro union, I really wished these idiots had never become one...

Now the little biatch screaming "I have the power to keep you from flying at all" will be unpossible to fire for her little tirade, and actually will screw over even more unfortunate travellers...

Plus this will make it even more difficult to get reimbursed for all the stuff they steal out of our luggage...
 
2012-08-12 07:46:30 PM  
I wonder how easy it is to get promoted there

/hate the military
 
2012-08-12 07:47:26 PM  
I'm a big-government liberal, but I swear the TSA is the poster child for why people hate government programs. It's wildly expensive, staffed by people who couldn't cut it in the private sector and it will never get better because the people in charge of overseeing it would be negatively impacted if they admit there's a problem. Oh, and it doesn't in any way accomplish its most basic mission.

You'd think that these deficit hawks and Tea Partiers would hate the TSA.
 
2012-08-12 07:52:00 PM  

Rug Doctor: I'm a big-government liberal, but I swear the TSA is the poster child for why people hate government programs. It's wildly expensive, staffed by people who couldn't cut it in the private sector and it will never get better because the people in charge of overseeing it would be negatively impacted if they admit there's a problem. Oh, and it doesn't in any way accomplish its most basic mission.

You'd think that these deficit hawks and Tea Partiers would hate the TSA.


Nope, they keep it around as proof that the government can't do anything right (much like FEMA after Katrina).
 
2012-08-12 07:52:04 PM  

Weaver95: ya know..f*ck it. I'm sending the TSA an application.


You're over qualified. You can spell "application".
 
2012-08-12 07:52:28 PM  

OriginalReaper: I wonder how easy it is to get promoted there

/hate the military


Probably exactly like the military. Suck up to the right people who complete your NCOER/OER and you're golden. It never matters how good of a job you do. It matters how well the guy doing your paperwork likes you.
 
2012-08-12 07:58:27 PM  
The function of a union is take care of the incompetent, just like at General Motors.
 
2012-08-12 07:58:39 PM  
TSA prefers pay for performance. If that was true, the national debt would be eliminated by TSA employees in a couple of months.
 
2012-08-12 08:01:07 PM  

Rug Doctor: I'm a big-government liberal, but I swear the TSA is the poster child for why people hate government programs. It's wildly expensive, staffed by people who couldn't cut it in the private sector and it will never get better because the people in charge of overseeing it would be negatively impacted if they admit there's a problem. Oh, and it doesn't in any way accomplish its most basic mission.

You'd think that these deficit hawks and Tea Partiers would hate the TSA.


They like it because terrorism. They're protecting ar freedumz!!
 
2012-08-12 08:04:00 PM  
ftfa: ...and it reduces tattoo restrictions.

So... the bottom of the barrel is almost out of scrapings.
 
2012-08-12 08:04:22 PM  

enry: Rug Doctor: I'm a big-government liberal, but I swear the TSA is the poster child for why people hate government programs. It's wildly expensive, staffed by people who couldn't cut it in the private sector and it will never get better because the people in charge of overseeing it would be negatively impacted if they admit there's a problem. Oh, and it doesn't in any way accomplish its most basic mission.

You'd think that these deficit hawks and Tea Partiers would hate the TSA.

Nope, they keep it around as proof that the government can't do anything right (much like FEMA after Katrina).


I have worked as a contractor for nearly all government groups. The Army Corps of Engineers is the most efficient. They give their useless employees do nothing jobs.
 
2012-08-12 08:04:29 PM  

dustman81: Wonder why the people TSA employs wouldn't be intelligent enough to pass certiications.

[www.jaunted.com image 500x375]
[www.blogcdn.com image 580x435]


Is that a pizza box?
 
2012-08-12 08:09:42 PM  

enry: Rug Doctor: I'm a big-government liberal, but I swear the TSA is the poster child for why people hate government programs. It's wildly expensive, staffed by people who couldn't cut it in the private sector and it will never get better because the people in charge of overseeing it would be negatively impacted if they admit there's a problem. Oh, and it doesn't in any way accomplish its most basic mission.

You'd think that these deficit hawks and Tea Partiers would hate the TSA.

Nope, they keep it around as proof that the government can't do anything right (much like FEMA after Katrina).


"The Democrats are the party that says government will make you smarter, taller, richer, and remove the crabgrass on your lawn. Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work, and then they get elected and prove it." -- P. J. O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores
 
2012-08-12 08:12:45 PM  
Seriously, the PASS tests were a real biatch. It was a multi tiered scoring system that included practical and aptitude testing the likes that most airline pilots, doctors or teachers have to re certify not just to get a bonus/raise but to keep your job.

It wasn't a fair process and its good that it went out the window.
 
2012-08-12 08:23:34 PM  
I'm stocking up on popcorn and Twinkies when the TSA's version of the Sandusky scandal hits.

It'll probably be decades, though.
 
2012-08-12 08:31:42 PM  
I just took my state exam to pass my Life and Health insurance license test. Took two weeks if study, needed a 70% to pass, got an 82%. I figured if soon Americans were going to have to have health insurance, I might as well get licensed to sell it.

Now, why do I need a license to sell insurance and the TSA can just get on the job training with no certifications or licenses?
 
2012-08-12 08:31:46 PM  

RogermcAllen: dustman81: Wonder why the people TSA employs wouldn't be intelligent enough to pass certiications.

[www.jaunted.com image 500x375]
[www.blogcdn.com image 580x435]

Is that a pizza box?


Yes. Yes, it is.
 
2012-08-12 08:35:45 PM  

SN1987a goes boom: Weaver95: ya know..f*ck it. I'm sending the TSA an application.

You're over qualified. You can spell "application".


I was going to apply. Then I found out that IF they took my application, it would take another six months to verify it, and ANOTHER two to four months to get an interview.

The reason they have such worthless idiots working for them is because all they have left is dolts who can't find or take any other job in those ten long months. The same is true for a lot of government jobs, actually. The process drags on so goddamn long, any normal person has already found something they'd rather do.
 
2012-08-12 08:38:37 PM  

Great Janitor: I just took my state exam to pass my Life and Health insurance license test. Took two weeks if study, needed a 70% to pass, got an 82%. I figured if soon Americans were going to have to have health insurance, I might as well get licensed to sell it.

Now, why do I need a license to sell insurance and the TSA can just get on the job training with no certifications or licenses?


What would a TSA employee be certified in, anyway? Proctology?
 
2012-08-12 08:44:09 PM  
45000 screeners...Jebus.

Government job creation gone bad.
 
2012-08-12 08:48:47 PM  
Question 244 on the test: Do you mind feeling up 10 yr old girls.

A. no
B. No
C. NO
D. Lemme at 'em
 
2012-08-12 08:52:58 PM  
Yeah, dumbing down the TSA, that's exactly what we need. They're already bad enough at flunking Red Team tests (meaning they can't find prohibited items) as it is now.

Between this an the racial profiling going on a BOS (google the NY Times article from today), the TSA is really winning the hearts an minds o the traveling public.
 
2012-08-12 08:59:56 PM  
The old system was "a poor measure of performance"?
No, actually it was a good measure of poor performance.
 
2012-08-12 09:02:39 PM  
I worked for TSA as a temp baggage examiner. All I had to do was watch a monitor that xrayed all the luggage coming in. It was the most boring job ever.
 
2012-08-12 09:04:32 PM  

JohnWayne'sMangirdle: 45000 screeners...Jebus.

Government job creation gone bad.


Well on positive note they are employed and paying taxes.

Because if the TSA disbanded tomorrow, there aren't nearly enough burger flipping/pizza delivery jobs to take up all the slack. Though realistically speaking only about half of their staff would be qualified for those type of jobs. The rest aspire to ditch digger when they get educated.
 
2012-08-12 09:11:52 PM  
What do you expect for $17 an hour. Seriously.

Why do we insist on paying the lowest wages to our most important people?

And why are we surprised when they let us down?
 
2012-08-12 09:15:09 PM  

halloran: Ha - gas pump advertisment. Nice! Get a job and gas at the same place. Then go molest people and get paid. What's that box from?


Advice: Make sure you're not drinking anything fizzy when you read the reply....
 
2012-08-12 09:21:36 PM  

go5go: What do you expect for $17 an hour. Seriously.

Why do we insist on paying the lowest wages to our most important people?

And why are we surprised when they let us down?


Same could be said for teachers and cops.
 
2012-08-12 09:22:19 PM  

xaldin: JohnWayne'sMangirdle: 45000 screeners...Jebus.

Government job creation gone bad.

Well on positive note they are employed and paying taxes.

Because if the TSA disbanded tomorrow, there aren't nearly enough burger flipping/pizza delivery jobs to take up all the slack. Though realistically speaking only about half of their staff would be qualified for those type of jobs. The rest aspire to ditch digger when they get educated.


Dude, they'd just go back to being private airport screeners.

The problem I have is that airport security won't ever go away, so the most we can do is petition congress to make changes to the way security is handled.

PLENTY of people have passed tests to get their driver license, and many of them don't belong on the road. Test scores mean nothing.
 
2012-08-12 09:23:35 PM  

tonguedepressor: Seriously, the PASS tests were a real biatch. It was a multi tiered scoring system that included practical and aptitude testing the likes that most airline pilots, doctors or teachers have to re certify not just to get a bonus/raise but to keep your job.

It wasn't a fair process and its good that it went out the window.


... so you need to recertify to keep your job, just like I do. Where is the problem here?
 
2012-08-12 09:36:07 PM  

LessO2: Between this an the racial profiling going on a BOS (google the NY Times article from today), the TSA is really winning the hearts an minds o the traveling public.


You don't really need to win a man's heart or mind when you've got his balls in your hand.
 
2012-08-12 09:38:25 PM  

Sword and Shield: tonguedepressor: Seriously, the PASS tests were a real biatch. It was a multi tiered scoring system that included practical and aptitude testing the likes that most airline pilots, doctors or teachers have to re certify not just to get a bonus/raise but to keep your job.

It wasn't a fair process and its good that it went out the window.

... so you need to recertify to keep your job, just like I do. Where is the problem here?


Does your job involve 6 total hrs on four different occasions of testing to keep it? Not that its my job any more but when it was it was unfair and I always did pretty good.
 
2012-08-12 09:41:44 PM  

LessO2: Yeah, dumbing down the TSA, that's exactly what we need. They're already bad enough at flunking Red Team tests (meaning they can't find prohibited items) as it is now.

Between this an the racial profiling going on a BOS (google the NY Times article from today), the TSA is really winning the hearts an minds o the traveling public.


Had nothing to do with dumbing down because the tests weren't an accurate accounting of how you did your job anyhow.
You had to perform before 3 people many different screening processes and if you were squeamish about performing in front of people on a test level you didn't fare well.

You should really shut up til you can talk about things you know more about.
 
2012-08-12 09:43:07 PM  
> AFGE said TOPS will evaluate screeners' "actual performance of their duties."

OH THANK GOD FINALLY.

80% of them will be fired, hooray!

/wait what.. what do you mean that's not how this works
 
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